A Jewish Christian Exposes The Hebrew Roots Movement Cult

When I think of myself, I am Christian. I am a follower of Christ. The fact that I was born a Jew remains until my final breath; I did...

by NTEB Feature Story Contributor Geri Ungurean

Are you in the Hebrew Roots Cult? Come out from there and experience freedom in Christ!

“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” Galatians 3:28,29

Most people who know me know I am a Jewish Christian. When I think of myself, I am Christian. I am a follower of Christ. The fact that I was born a Jew remains until my final breath; I did not cross over some line to become a Christian while leaving my Jewishness behind. It’s quite impossible to do that. I am a Christian who also happens to be an ethnic Jew.

I met another Christian Jewish woman years ago. She attended a Messianic congregation and was shocked and appalled that I did not. I told her that I’ve never felt the Lord urging me to do that. I find it clannish. I don’t want to only worship with other Messianic Jews. I want to worship with the Body of Christ. This woman was not happy with my reasoning, but I felt a conviction about my decision. I did not feel the need to hold onto Jewish customs. I felt free. Free to worship my Savior!



One of the most ironic things that happened to me on Facebook was being repeatedly thrown out of Messianic groups. I thought that the group members would be like me – Jewish Christians. I was sadly mistaken. They spoke of Torah observance, the Jewish feasts, the keeping of the Law etc., etc. There was an occasional mention of Yeshua, but no emphasis on salvation through Christ alone. And most of the time I was the only Jew in the group!

I would remind them that believers in Yeshua are under the Covenant of Grace. I would say that Yeshua did not come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it.

“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill” (Matthew 5:17).

The leaders of the group would wholeheartedly agree with me, and use that Scripture to support and defend their doctrine. I used it to show them the legalism and hypocrisy they were preaching.

The prophets of God in the Old Testament cried out in the lands to which God sent them, “REPENT and turn from your wicked ways.” Invariably they were stoned or thrown out of that land. People knew that they were guilty as charged, but loved the darkness more than the light.

Do we actually believe that God thought that we are able to keep all of His Commandments? His Commandments were given to Moses to:

Show that God is holy.

His standards are perfection.

Man is not able to keep all of His Commandments.

Jesus brought the Commandments to a whole new level. He said in Matthew 5:27-28:

“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”

Clearly, our sin begins in our hearts. God sees this sin in us. For God to reconcile us to Himself, He had to deal with this sin, which separated us from Him. He sent His own Son—the Word made flesh—Jesus.

“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth” (John 1:14).



The PERFECT SINLESS SACRIFICE was the Son of God, Jesus. His death was the ONE Atonement for all sin. It was His blood spilled for us that brought us forgiveness. God sent His Son so that whosoever believes in Him would be reconciled to the Father and have eternal life. GLORIOUS!

“For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him” (2 Corinthians 5:21).

So my question to the leaders of the groups was why would you want to go back under the Law that brought death, when you have been given the better Covenant of Grace by which the Spirit gives life? That was usually when my expulsion took place. One leader wrote to me privately, saying that I must have a demon and he would pray for me!

Are these modern day Judaizers? I would say that is accurate, except for the fact that most are not Jews. Are they dangerous? Most assuredly so. The teachings of these groups diminish the finished work of Christ on the Cross; making Him a liar. They are in essence saying “Christ lived and died as an example to us, but we must keep the law to be saved.” HERESY!! We are not able to keep the whole Law of God!

We are all precious to the Lord. It doesn’t matter from where we came; what matters is will we repent and trust Yeshua for the forgiveness of our sins? I was a born a Jew—so what? God’s plan from the beginning was that salvation would be offered to the whole world. And read about the partial hardening of the Jews (Romans 11) to make way for the Gentiles to come into the Kingdom. We are all blessed!

Are you in the Hebrew Roots Cult? Come out from there and experience freedom in Christ!

You will want to keep His Law. Our good works after we are born again in Him come naturally out of our grateful hearts to the Lord.

Our good works before we are born-again are as follows:

“But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away”(Isaiah 64:6).



Born into a Jewish family in Maryland, I was always searching for the truth about Jesus. I knew that He had to be someone so very special. My dad would say “He was a good man, but not who he said he was.” So a good man would lie? At the age of 31, I finally met Yeshua, and He became my Lord and Savior. I am a Jew who has been made complete in Him. I am now anxiously awaiting His Glorious return to rapture His church! Maranatha!

    • Dan

      This may have nothing to do with the article but maybe it does. I’m a Christian and have been since birth. About a year ago I felt God showed me a website called “Torah Anytime” and on it is several Rabbis teaching Torah. I found it very refreshing and go there from time to time to understand Judaism. Which is understood as having a perfect relationship through Torah with God. Rabbi Kraft is my favorite. I say that to also say this. I don’t understand why I find Christians so close minded they refuse to even try to understand how beneficial this can be. Try it or don’t … Blessings

      • God wrote 66 books of the Bible, not 5. The Torah is great, but its not better than any of the other 61 books. To isolate and focus on simply the first 5 books does no good at all. “But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.” 2 Corinthians 3:15

        • Goldie

          A Big AMEN!!!!!

        • Ajay Pollarine

          The reason Paul says that is because they’re not recognizing that the Messiah is in the words of Moses. He himself declared it to be so. “If you had believed Moses you would have believed in me, for Moses spoke of me.”

          Reading and loving the Torah does not mean anyone is putting 5 books above another it is getting to know Scriptures that our Messiah often spoke from (He quoted Deuteronomy quite often since he was a rabbi after all), but I’d argue that plenty of folks put the Epistles far above any other book. Paul is treated as some sort of rock-star by entire congregations. Who use his words to justify “come as you and stay that way too” tactics or “lets say everything is ok and justify it later” mentality.

        • Dan

          If you go to the website “Anytime Torah” and listen to Rabbi Kraft he explains how Hebrew itself is from God. How the letter themselves have to be from God. It is freaking amazing and interesting. I have tried to post a link to the site but NTEB site is not allowing it.
          Your only being closed minded if you don’t like I said.

          • Richard Mann

            Love the last sentence. Your, which should be you’re, only being closed minded if you don’t like I said.

            Oh well. It never fails. Some one is going to use the closed mind card if you don’t agree with them.

            • Dan

              Only a punk kid corrects someones grammar on here. Who cares!

        • RhondaJ

          Wow. REALLY? The 61 books written by men is equal to the one’s Our Elohim wrote by the fire in His own hand? These 5 books that contains the creation of all things, and the eternal Instructions written by the God of the Universe – on how to live holy and make it to His Kingdom … the same 5 books that commands us to attend the 8 holy conference appointments every year, so that we can SEE, AND LEARN THE SECRETS OF MESSIAH’S RETURN, AND learn THE secrets to Daniel’s prophecies of the last day? Even though the other 61 books are all only commentary to the first five? They’re EQUAL??? DID YOU GET THAT FROM STUDYING HERMANEUTIC PRINCIPLES? Maybe you could rethink that.

        • michael

          first letter of torah> bet
          last letter of torah> lamed

          lamed bet…. is what?

      • Richard Mann

        The phrase “a Christian since birth” bothers me in that no one is born into this life a Christian. Some where during your life you have to realize that you are a sinner in need of salvation and have to have that salvation experience with Christ Jesus. If you can not recall that happening in your life, you really need to examine yourself closely and read the book of John in the New Testament to start with.

        • Dan

          What bother you? Seriously Dick. You really need to examine yourself closely (snivel) snort … Judgmental and self- righteous is your motto Dick. Correcting my spelling and sentence structure. Wow! Maybe you should exam yourself Dick.. My salvation is secure what about yours?
          I make a harmless statement about Torah and you attack me because I didn’t say you are. WOW!

      • Richard Mann

        No such thing as a spiritual, born again Christian, since birth into this world. Being born again is a separate experience which can happen only after you realize that you are a lost sinner in need of salvation.

        • Dan

          You are a piece of work Dick!

          • STL

            He might be a piece of work, but he is correct. No one is born saved… we are born condemned in Adam.

            Romans 5:12… “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”

            • Ted Lindblad III

              How very strange… STL didn’t make this post. I did, but STL’s name and email appear on my computer.

              Ted Lindblad III

            • Dan

              Really LaRue? I was raised a Christian so that’s what I meant.
              How’s Mexico treating you. Still a slug floating on your boat around the gulf of Mexico. What about that influx crossing our borders a few months back. To bad your country men don’t have it as good as you do. But to my point about Dick. I really dig this Rabbi’s teaching. It’s that simple. If you don’t have anything better to say to me other than to criticize my grammar. I would leave me alone. You of all people LaRue being barely above an illiterate and don’t start lying because I’ve had many conversations with you brother LaRue and you are in need when it comes to sentence structure, but you want to talk scripture we can do that anytime friend. Peace!

            • Orthodox Christian

              No one is born saved… we are born condemned in Adam.

              Romans 5:12… “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”


              That’s the Roman Catholic doctrine of “original sin.” You Protestants inherited it from Rome and never questioned, in fact some Protestants took it and ran with it to make Calvinism, etc.

              We are born with a fallen nature that is prone to sin and that eventually leads us all into personal sin. Babies aren’t born with Adam’s personal sin, condemned already to eternal damnation, they sin as grow up and thus become subject to the curse of death and in need of salvation to avoid eternal damnation for the sins they themselves committed.

              Eastern Orthodoxy = the one true Church that Rome fell away from in 1054.

          • Dan

            Wait a minute Ted. So the post is yours. Like I told LaRue(STL) or Steven if you’ve been around as long as I have. If you don’t have anything to say other than criticizing my grammar , spelling etc. You should keep it to yourself. Don’t be a Knowitall Ted. I meant I was raised a Christian. Such trivial pettiness. Being Pious is the worst state a Christian can be in. Pull that judgmental plank out Ted and send me some free Jerky! After all you did renig on the bet.
            You said win or loss so pay up!

            • STL

              Dan: I have not posted today, except right now, NTEB WordPress system is screwing up, so before you start insulting me, get your facts right. As living in Mexico things are just great, every day the peso is climbing and my family is just enjoying the ride!

            • STL

              Dan: really your a christian?

            • Dan

              Aw don’t get your panties in a twist LaRue. It was your moniker that posted so whose fault is it? Get my facts right. What facts would that be LaRue? Everything I said pertaining to you was true other than the post not being from you. We’ve had our disagreements but we’re not enemies. Don’t question my salvation LaRue. You can do that nonsense of condemning to hell against Ole what’s his name? Brenda Murphy’s husband. By the way your the Catholic in this group LaRue!

      • NLB


        Your statement that “I’m a Christian and have been since birth,” reveals that you do not understand what it means to be a Christian… Read John 1:12-13, and John 3:1-6 for Biblical truth…

      • Ismael

        It;s ok to learn about judaism, but You cannot have a perfect relation with God thru Torah, only thru Jesus Christ. You said something very heretic my friend.

    • Suez

      Wonderful, wonderful article and full of the truth! May God give eyes to see, to those who are blinded by this movement, and ears for them to hear!!! 🙂

      • Sherry

        How can it be such a “wonderful article” and “full of truth” when it asserts that all Hebrew roots people are Heretics? I am not a heretic, and I definitely am Hebrew roots. I am saved by the blood of Yeshua alone. I obey Torah to the best of my ability in order to bear fruit and witness to that salvation. Obedience is not legalism. There is an enormous difference between the two. These are false accusations that are causing division. No true believer should be playing Yahweh’s people against one another. What I say to you…is truth. Shalom.

    • Jeff Berkeley

      Hi: Love your site. I am in the same boat as you. I was Bar Mitzvah in 1968 and discovered the Scripture, in its entirety, about ten years ago, age 50. As a life-long scientist and teacher, I came to faith via the amazing logic of the Bible. I do not renounce my Jewish heritage at all, but like you, consider myself a Jewish Christian. Take care, Jeff

    • Annabelle Kopf

      Please, do not be deceived!
      1 John 3:7
      “Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
      1 John 2:3-6
      “And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments.Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him:whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.”

      • Annabelle,

        You have not sinned? You have never had to go to Him and confess your sin (thought & deeds) for forgiveness?

        1 John 1:8
        “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.”

        1 John 1:9
        “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”

        • Annabelle Kopf

          Oh no, I was lost, blind and headed toward hell until God rescued me from that pit! A sinner, indeed. But now through the blood of Yeshua, I have been made forgiven, and am empowered, as all believers are, through the Holy Spirit to obey His Word and walk in obedience. I still sin (break His Torah-I John 3:4) but it is less and less as I stay aligned with Him, walking in His steps, obeying His commandments and turning away from doctrines and traditions of men which make the Word of God of none effect. The point of this video is that we are a Temple of God–His Spirit resides within us and He brings to our minds all that He has taught us so that we CAN obey Him! We are more than overcomers through Him! Hope that makes sense. 🙂

    • Renee Regnier

      Why do you assume that the Hebrew Roots Movement automatically means salvation is through the Law? I am a gentile Christian saved by grace through faith, but because I love God I follow His Torah. I believe that the entire Bible is the inspired Word of God, but the Torah remains the foundation. The Old and New Testament must be in sync, there cannot be disagreement. If Paul seems to negate the Torah, then he is either a false prophet or his teachings have been misinterpreted. I believe he has been misinterpreted.

      God has said that the seventh day sabbath is a command forever. Did He lie? God also said that the eating of swine flesh was an abomination. How did the Death and Resurrection of Jesus make swine flesh suddenly not an abomination?

      It seems to me that the true cult, here, is traditional Christianity.

      • Renee,

        I did not see one mention of Yeshua in your comments. That speaks volumes.


        • kathy

          You are avoiding her question – Why do you assume that the Hebrew Roots Movement automatically means salvation is through the Law?

          Apparently you have not researched out many of the Teachers of Hebrew Roots. Are you familiar with Rico Cortez, Brad Scott, Bill Cloud ? Thats just to name a few. There is absolutely NO POSSIBLE way you can say the entire group of Hebrew Roots is a ANTI YESHUA cult. I am not in any way with or a member of the Hebrew Roots, but I have learned so much more about how Yeshua was forshadowed by so many events in the Old Testament and just how exactly prophesy was fullfilled through Him. There are many great teachers out there that bend over backwards to Claim Yeshua as our salvation. Its a shame to throw them out because of a few bad seeds.

          • Renee Regnier


        • Renee Regnier


          I used Jesus as opposed to Yeshua because traditional Christianity insists on using it. I personally do use Yeshua, but then exactly what volumes are you talking about?

      • Ted Lindblad III

        “God also said that the eating of swine flesh was an abomination. How did the Death and Resurrection of Jesus make swine flesh suddenly not an abomination?”

        God said in Gen 9:3 that “Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.”

        God also deemed before the flood, that man and animals were to be vegan!

        Gen 1:29-30… “And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.”

        “Every” moving thing would include swine. Is God a liar, does He contradict His own Word; or do you just not see that God works with man through differing “dispensations” throughout time? God does not change, but He does alter the ways in which He deals with us.

        The method by which the death and resurrection of Christ made the eating of swine flesh acceptable was that God, in time past during the dispensation of the law, SAID that it was an abomination. He had His reasons. After the death brought about God’s new testament to man and all that came with it, He said it was now okay to eat swine. Literally that simple. “Law” said “no swine”. Death, burial, resurrection said (to us today) no law; therefore, “swine”.

        If swine offends you, by all means don’t eat it; but the real question is “should swine offend you”? To Jewish Peter, God said 3 times: “What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.” Just because something is done at one point in time does not necessarily mean it is to continue indefinitely.

        “I am a gentile Christian saved by grace through faith, but because I love God I follow His Torah.”

        If saved by grace through Christ’s faith you are certainly at liberty to follow or not follow whatever “laws” you want. Understand however that there is no need any longer. The Law could never be followed.

        You are absolutely correct in your assessment that Paul has been misinterpreted. Paul IS your apostle and your pattern (1 Tim 1:16). Not the 12 and not Jesus during His earthly ministry. Never did Paul negate the torah, the prophets or the psalms. He proved them, as it was to Him alone that God gave the final proofs of all that Christ’s blood accomplished!

        • Oy vey.

          • Ted Lindblad III

            The Bible is a book of progressive revelation.

            Romans 3:20… “Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall be no flesh justified in His sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.”

            The purpose of the Law was to prove to man that he could not keep it, to demonstrate that he is a sinner in desperate need of a Savior.

        • Renee Regnier


          Peter in Acts 10 says three times that the point of his vision was that gentiles were not unclean. It has nothing to do with food.

          In Genesis 8:20 Noah offered only clean animals for sacrifice. Although the Law had not yet been given fully, Noah understood God’s rules for clean and unclean. Genesis 9:3 indicates only that a change from a vegetarian diet to one that included meat. It doesn’t necessarily mean that “all” meat was ok to eat. This same type of distinction is found in Genesis 1:30, where God gave every green herb for food. This simply does not mean that all green plants were to be acceptable for food. A lot of greens are poisonous. You are forcing verse 9:3 to say something it isn’t.

          • Ted Lindblad III

            Nor were animals Renee. The vision and message from God absolutely has to do with both man and beasts. Read the verses above and below for context.

            Ah… I always though that ALL meant ALL. Clearly though, it means whatever YOU want it to mean. Not ALL but something other than ALL.

            “Yea, hath God said…” asked the subtil one.

            As for the apparent discrepancy between healthy and unhealthy plants, there could not have been any unhealthy plants in a world created as “very good” by God and given to man. Especially if He told us to eat of them ALL (oops, there I go again). The unhealthy must have been a result of the curse, part and parcel of the thorns and thistles God made mention of in Gen 3 when death itself entered into the creation.

            The Bible (God) is RIGHT and you (we – people) are WRONG. Always… or should I say ALL ways?

        • Renee Regnier


          Peter in Acts 10 states 3 times that his vision is about gentiles not being unclean. It has nothing to do with food.

          In Genesis 8:20 Noah offered only clean animals for sacrifice even though the Law had not yet been fully given. In Genesis 9:3 “every” just indicates a change from a vegetarian diet to one that includes meat. This is similar to Genesis 1:30 where “every” green herb doesn’t mean all green plants. There are poisonous plants that obviously should not be eaten. You are forcing the verse.

    • Am Yisrael Chai,Yeshua Adonai!! GOD CREATED the HEAVENS ( Universe ) and HE CREATED us from HIS IMAGE!! So, PRAISE GOD the FATHER, GOD the SON, and GOD the HOLY GHOST they’re ONE!!

      GOD Bless Ye Geri 😀 keep Spreading GOD’S HOLY BIBLE WORD LIVING!!

      Our Nation United States of America is Judeo-Christian!!

      Only Yeshua-Jesus Christ can SAVED for Everyone!! Yeshua-Jesus Christ is KING of kings, LORD( ADONAI ) of lords, HE is ALPHA and OMEGA, BEGINNING and END!!

      Love and Shalom Everyone, YSIC \o/


    • Ted Lindblad III

      “There was an occasional mention of Yeshua, but no emphasis on salvation through Christ alone.”

      What a shame as salvation, for all people, is by the faith OF Christ alone. If these people do not realize this most basic fact, how can they be saved Christians at all? Doctrinally, they are not, but likely believe they are. I too might believe I am the pope but that certainly does not make it so.

      They are religious people who believe Jesus was who He said He was. That WAS a saving gospel 2,000 years ago… it is no longer. Today’s gospel is 1 Cor 15:1-4, Romans 4:25, Ephesians 2:8-9. This is what a person needs to believe to receive eternal life… that God did it all on the sinners behalf with nothing left for the sinner to do.

      • The Gospel of Christ has always been

        Repent of your sins (agree with God that you are a sinner) and Trust the Lord Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. This is the better Covenant of Grace which has been given to us.

        • Ted Lindblad III

          Not so… Was Paul repentant when God saved him? Hardly… he was “breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord”. He was Christ’s chief enemy on earth at the time.

          Can you count the gospels in this verse?

          “But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;”

          The gospel of Christ has not always been! It began with Paul alone some 2,000 years ago. There are plenty of other gospels in the Bible as God has always wanted to bless His creation with good news.

      • His law is the 10 Commandments, and He summed up the whole in two Commandments:

        Matthew 22:37-40

        “Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

        38 This is the first and great commandment.

        39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

        40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”

        • Brenda Murphy

          Hi Geri,

          The Gentiles were not under the laws of God, because they were the ‘dogs’………the ones far from God…as the Hebrews were God’s children…..and were given the laws.

          In the beginning, Christ said that he came for the lost of the house of Israel…the Jews (Hebrews).

          He only turned to the Gentiles, because he saw that the Jews rejected his teachings.

          Well, most of them did. There were some saved.

          The Jews can’t be saved by keeping the old laws, otherwise, Christ died in vain.
          I agree with you that the Jews can’t go back.
          Christ came and made a new covenant in his own blood, and took the old laws out of the way ‘nailing it to his cross.’

          I believe that if we truly love the Lord, we will want to obey him. It all comes down to one word—— love——–
          Christ said that if we love him, we will keep his commandments, and he told the apostles that his commandment was to love one another as I (Christ) have loved you.
          Thank you for your replies, sister.

          And yes, we are to love God with all our heart, and love our neighbor as ourselves.

          Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
          Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
          Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

          • Brenda,

            I do hope that you have carefully read all of Romans 11 – which clearly shows WHY most Jews have not believed. It was for the sake of the Gentiles, that they would come into the Kingdom of God. God is not finished with the Jews!

            In Yeshua,

            • Brenda Murphy

              True, Geri,

              I said that in one of my replies to you on the other blog.
              Guess you didn’t see it.

              We are all learning, and I hope we all come to the knowledge of the truth in Christ. Amen.


            • Sorry! Probably missed it! 🙁

            • Brenda Murphy

              Here’s my post—

              Yes, I know. When the fullness of the Gentiles be come in, that would be in the great tribulation, then after that, God will seal the 144,000 Hebrews of all the tribes. Isn’t it amazing?
              Then the remnant that God promised Abraham will be given.

              They will be on the earth during the millennial reign, when Christ comes back to set up his kingdom, when the lion will lie down with the lamb, when peace will ensue….and he will rule with a rod of iron.

              They will repopulate—- the 144,000 that God has chosen.

              Isa 65:19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
              Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
              Isa 65:21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
              Isa 65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
              Isa 65:23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
              Isa 65:24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
              Isa 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent’s meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.
              KJV 🙂

        • STL

          Geri: Since your the new girl on the block on this web site, you already told me I speak false words, that John is deluded, and now your attacking Brenda. You been here two days and your off on a good start insulting others. Did not your jewish parents teach you respect of your elders? My question, do you hold a theology degree? Because you sure are preaching as a minister?

      • Ted Lindblad III

        “Tell me though, where in this scripture does it tell us to disregard the entirety of the law after salvation?”

        Romans 6:14… “For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law but under grace.”

        We today, are not under the law. The law was (time past) and the law will be again (ages to come). Today, there is no Jew or Gentile, no bond or free, no male or female. We are all one in Christ Jesus (Gal 3:28).

        Website issue… I believe I am getting STL’s name email somehow on my computer screen (truzan ?). Very strange indeed.

    • Suez

      Jer_17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
      It is only by the Blood of Jesus Christ that any of us are righteous. Only by the power of the Holy Spirit working in us, can we do any good or righteous acts. Not by might, nor by power, but by his Spirit, can we do anything!!!

      • Brenda Murphy

        Amen, sister!!!

    • NeeCeeGee

      Amen We are under grace not law – the law is an insult to Yeshua we have to be careful the feast are a shadow of the things to come Amein and Shalom

    • rebelwithacause

      this is neeceegee and my computer has been hacked i believe i have rebelwithacause for this user name and their e-mail address is beckys6766@gmail.com beware all who are using this site

    • WE DO NOT NEED THE LAW TO GET INTO HEAVEN…PERIOD. We don’t however need to get too much into legalism as the Orthodox either. It’s a matter of balance. It is not another’s place to convince a person of anything. One either hears what the spirit is saying now that the time of grace has ended, or one does not. As a first fruit of the lost ten I have Yeshua my saviour. However without getting caught up in legalism, I do keep the law, because I am called to do so, as God has told us to keep these. I mean, Saturday IS sabbath…not Sunday ! I have no reason “scripturally” to accept some commandments and not others. There is one God, and one law for all.

      Those who do not believe the church will come together as one, deny the supernatural power of God and have elevated their own thoughts above what God says. Let SCRIPTURE decide for us. And let EVERYTHING else be a lie. We will be two sticks made into one as one new man.

      Did Paul keep the law ? You bet he did. They were just waiting for him to make the mistake of not doing so, and they would have killed him, because in that time there was no grace and it didn’t work unless all kept the law, including the stranger. But as Peter pointed out, you need to watch out for Paul, church… because the church STILL has Paul talking over their heads. The problem the church has always had, is that the men in the red dresses of the Catholic church for example did not have a true prophet for guidance. REVELATION KNOWLEDGE CAN ONLY COME FROM A TRUE PROPHET. Also a Jew who knows he is only saved by Jesus. http://www.jewishprophet.com or http://www.thehouseofephraim.com

      I would absolutely challenge ANYONE to see the records of being in his ministry over forty years now, to see that the major prophet of God, called from the foundations of the world…has an absolute perfect record of giving prophecies.

      The prophets of Zechariah 8:23 have baptised me & sent me to the enormous throne of our most high God. With great power. Where is the power in the church today ??? For me to deny this which I know, is to blaspheme the Holy spirit. I can NEVER do such a thing, there is no coming back from that. Here are the references for my conscience which is my heart. We are to Shema.

      The heart will lie. Let SCRIPTURE be the truth and everything else be a lie. Jeremiah 29:13, Daniel 1:8- 10:12, Luke 7:22,12:34, 12:47 Obadiah 1:3, Zechariah 7:8, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14. Matthew 5:8 6:21, 12:34, 15:8,9, 18, 19. Proverbs 6:16, 6:19, Mark 11:23 Acts 5:3,4,5, 28:24, 26:27. Romans 10:10 1st Corinth. 14:25 Ephesians 4:18 2nd Timothy 2:22 Hebrews 3:7,8,9,10,11,12. Hebrews 10:22 James 1:26 1 Peter 21, 2nd Peter the whole chapter.

      Hosea 8:11, 12. Because Ephraim hath made many alters to sin. I have writen to him the great things of my law, but they were counted as a strange thing. Just my experience, of 4 circumstances that were as a sign to me. I am former military intelligence and extremely particular whom I listen too, and even after I got the spiritual call, I still took 6 years to believe and prove until I was at the end of what my mind and discernment could know.

      • Ted Lindblad III

        Amen James, amen.

        God kept a secret from ALL the Holy Prophets (Jesus Himself did not speak a Word of it while on Earth) a mystery which He (the Risen and Glorified Christ) revealed only to the Apostle Paul.

        Romans 16:25-26… “Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:”

        Ephesians 3:1-10… “For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, If ye have heard of the DISPENSATION of the grace of God which is given ME to you-ward: How that by revelation he made known unto me the MYSTERY; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) WHICH IN OTHER AGES WAS NOT MADE KNOWN UNTO THE SONS OF MEN, as it is NOW revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the UNSEARCHABLE riches of Christ; And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, WHICH FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD HATH BEEN HID IN GOD, who created all things by Jesus Christ: To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,”

        Colossians 1:26-27… “Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:”

        Colossians 2:1-10… “For I would that ye knew what great conflict I have for you, and for them at Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh; That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words. For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ. As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:”

        What exactly that mystery is, few seem to understand, but it is reflected in the two-fold purpose of God throughout history.

        Gen 1:1… “In the beginning God created the heaven AND the earth.”

        That’s 2 things God created; 2 things which fell; and 2 things which need to be redeemed back to God in Christ.

        Ephesians 1:10… “That in the DISPENSATION of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:”

        Gods plan for the earth was to create a nation to bless all the other nations. That nation of peculiar people was/is the nation Israel. God is not done with Israel by a LONG SHOT!!!

        It was Gods plan for the heavens that was kept secret. That He would create a Body made up of both Jew and Gentile (as now there are NOT Jew and Gentile – all people are perfectly equal in the eyes of God – Jews no longer “special” for the time being) that would be in a position to redeem the heavens as the nation Israel will redeem the earth. This information is found only in Paul’s epistles rightly divided. Know ye not that we shall judge angels (! Cor 6:3)?

        Study to shew thyself approved unto God…

    • erwin

      That the messianic movement is right on the money and correct in biblical sense only the holy scriptures do declare. Anyone declaring that he is free from keeping God’s holy feasts at the appointed times, the bible haftarah clearly exposes: This shall be the plague that will come on all that don’t go up to Jerusalem from year to year to celebrate Sukkot – Zechariah 14:16-17 “16 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, they will have no rain”.
      Before name calling the hebrew cult – READ & STUDY your bible!

    • STL

      Geri: when you make a statement and a few voice their opinions against you, then their is no more response from you, why is that?

    • rebelwithacause

      hack NTEB this is neeceegee investigate someone is hacking my computer through this site THANKS!

    • STL

      Brenda: the new girl on the block ( Geri) I see she doesn’t agree with you much, but after those long comments, she had nothing else to say to you? One thing I can see, she doesn’t respect her elders much?

    • randy palmer

      Thank you for sharing your thoughts and the Scriptures,for i believe we are one body in Christ and He is our Head,so Lord i pray you help us to continue in your grace and love for without you we are lost.
      Love God love people,through Jesus we have been given eternal life.may we live it according to your will Lord.

    • In original English-Aramaic translation.

      A Global Call.

      To All Jews Dispersed All Over The World.
      I am calling for your attention all Jews who are scattered all over the world but fulfil criteria described in the Book of Revelation 7:4,14 and 14:4,5.

      7: 4. And I heard the number of those who were stamped [that was] one hundred and forty and four thousand, stamped from every generation of Israelites.
      14. And I told him, “[My] master, you know best!”* And he said to me,

                  “These are those who are coming
                  …from great tribulation,
                  And they have washed their robes
                  …and have cleansed* them
                  By the blood of the Lamb.

      14: 4. These are the ones who did not fornicate with women [,] for they were pure*. These were the ones who clung to the Lamb (to) wherever he went, those who materialized from mankind’s finest* for God and for the Lamb.
          5. And in their mouth was not found lies [,] for they were untainted.


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    • Gospel of Mark 8:38

      38. “For whoever is ashamed of me (says Jesus) and of my words in this sinful and adulterous generation, the Son of Man (the Victor from the Book of Revelation 2 & 3) will also be ashamed of, when he comes in the glory of his father, together with his holy angels.”

      A Global Call for Jew & Greek, for bond & free, for male & female:
      for ye are all one in Christ Universal.

      To All Jews & Greeks Dispersed All Over The World.
      I am calling for your attention all Jews who are scattered all over the world but fulfil criteria described in the Book of Revelation, Hisgalus 7: 4,14 and 14: 4,5.

      7: 4. And I heard the mispar (number) of the ones having been sealed, 144,000, having been marked with the chotam (seal) from kol shivtei Bnei Yisroel (every tribe of the Sons of Israel),

      7:14. And I said to him, Adoni, you have da’as. And he said to me, These are the ones coming out of HaTzarah HaGedolah (The Great Tribulation, Mt. 24:29) and each washed his kittel and whitened it in the dahm of the SEH (Lamb, SHEMOT 12:3; YESHAYAH 53:7 Moshiach).

      14: 4. These are those who with nashim (women) are not tameh (unclean, defiled), bochrim ki betullim they are, for these are the ones following the SEH (Lamb, SHEMOT 12:3; YESHAYAH 53:7 Moshiach) wherever he goes. These chasidim had the Geulah price paid for their redemption [VAYIKRA 25:50, 51; YESHAYAH 61:2], the ones having been purchased from Bnei Adam as the bikkurim (firstfruits) to Hashem and to the SEH (Lamb, YESHAYAH 53:7). [YIRMEYAH 2:3]

      14: 5. And in the peh of them was not found MIRMAH (deceit, YESHAYAH 53:9); they are without mumim (defects). [TEHILLIM 32:2; ZEFANYAH 3:13]

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      • Reginald Uka

        Sherry Jean Stanford,

        Thank you for your comment. And I agree with you on points in the would like comment. But what like to say is that the author legalistic nst Pharisaical legalistic, who , wants to bring the brethren under bondage of law, from which Christ has set them free.

        For the law was brought by Moshe, but grace and truth came by Yeshua.
        If you remember their were certain individuals, within in the early century church, who wanted to bring the gentile brethren under bondage of the law, and when the matter came to the elders in Jerusalem intervened in the matter and gave their opinion on the issue as below:

        Acts 15:1-20 The Council in Jerusalem

        And certain men which came down from Judea taught the brethren, and said, except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye can not be saved.
        This is what Judaizers were trying to enforce on Gentile brethren who have believed in the Messiah of Israel, and that is what the author of this article is condemning.

        Verse 2
        When therefore , Paul and Barnabas had no small disputation with them {Judaizers, Pharisees, who, also believed, saying it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses}, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about the question. And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phoenicia and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.
        And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and they declared all things that God had done with them.

        But there rose up certain of the Pharisees {Judaizers} which believed, saying it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

        And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
        And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up,and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made a choice among us,that the Gentiles by mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believed.*
        And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness,giving them the Holy Spirit,even as He did unto us; and He put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith..
        Now therefore , why test ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples,which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
        But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
        Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them. ……………19-20. Wherefore my judgment is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

        Thus,the above were the recommendations by the council at Jerusalem, and which the author of the above article is emphasising that we bring not the brethren under the bondage of some sects of Pharisees, who, insisted circumcision and a command to keep the law of Moses.
        I hope you agree with the council of elders in Jerusalem, and if not what is your reason for disagreeing?

        Toda raba ~

    • Geri, I am so thankful that you have found Y’shua to be your Messiah. I think much of the church is under the mis-understanding that Y’shau came to set us free, though he said he didn’t come to abolish. We know he fulfilled the spring feasts, but the fall feasts await their fulfillment. Israel is about to enter into the Seventieth Seven prophesied in Daniel 9:26-27, so their timing on the covenant is not completed (nor those ingrafted, I would argue), into the tree of Israel. But in Matt. 5:17-19, Y’shua says not the least yod or iota will perish till heaven and earth pass away, which will be at the end of the millennial reign of Mashiach.

      • Annabelle Kopf

        Amen, Rhonda!!! May YHVH graciously open people’s eyes to the Truth!

    • Reginald Uka

      Amein X 3 = Amein ! ☺
      Baruch HaShem ~

    • Reginald Uka

      Sherry Jean Stanford!

      Acknowledgment with thanks for your comment.


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      • Dan

        Well said Aaron

    • Ted Lindblad III

      Summing up the critical differences between religion and grace, I believe the following exposition is absolutely spot on…


      • Suez

        AMEN, James. Thank you, thank you! One of the best put posts I’ve read on here for a long time! Thank you for your true and wonderful statement.

      • Ted Lindblad III

        Beautiful James. Nailed it! God is not bound by something as trivial as human language. We are bound by language and that’s the way He intended it to be. I was with you 100% right up until…

        “Speaking in tongues even today, are a form of language that God uses to His advantage of understanding what The Spirit gives utterance to.”

        These gifts have ceased now that the church the body of Christ is formed. The gifts are no longer necessary.

        • Dan

          Speaking in tongues is a bunch of jibber jabber Ted. The apostles spoke in different languages so all of the crowd could understand at Pentecost.
          The Pentecostals bless their hearts are misguided but still have salvation. Religious scholars have proven the word ‘languages’ is not a heavenly dialect but one that is understood and spoken right here like spanish or english

      • Dan

        James , I am not a Jew I am a Christian. I believe I made the first comment on this thread though. From your post you have misunderstood the meaning of my post about the Hebrew alphabet. I found for the first time something interesting. That is how the letters themselves point to God. I would give you a link to the teaching I believe God showed me but NTEB’s site is not working so I can’t. What is troubling is no one has even tried to understand what I am talking about so I will try AGAIN. The website is ‘Anytime Torah’ the Rabbi is Kraft. In one of his teachings he explains how the Hebrew alphabet must be divinely inspired. This doesn’t mean the Jews are better or any other hogwash someone wants to pile on to this. SO what does this mean People. It’s real simple . The Hebrew alphabet may actually be something man didn’t invent. To me as a Christian that is awesome. The world is telling us today more than ever that God doesn’t exist. So, when my spirit shows me something like this(well I can’t even begin to explain the joy I feel). The arguing over Christianity and Judaism has to stop people. I am the perfect example of someone unacceptable to God but I know even I have salvation because of him.
        I say that out of humility people because I’m really not that bad. But, my point is we all fall short and even the most pious (which I find sickening) fall short and are unacceptable. So at least check it out before you start blasting me for this or that. Blessings!

    • Andrew

      Amen dear sister. Thank you for posting this. God bless you. See you soon. Maranatha

    • Ron Murphy

      Speaking in unknown tongues is not the baptism of Holy Spirit, but it is the evidence of it. You guys, and gals keep speaking against it. You will stand before God and give account. And no wonder you all are so blind to the truth. No wonder you can’t understand simple theology. If one is born of God’s Spirit, you have become the sons of God. The baptism in the Holy Spirit is a gift given to all the are his children, but he will not force himself one you. Speaking in tongue as the Spirit gives the utterance is of God, it doesn’t matter if it is in or out of church or on a river bank, or in a car driving to the story or work. The Spirit of God speaks out of you in pray to the Father. That can be for things you need Spiritually or it can be in praise to him. I’ve seen and done myself, sing in an unknown tongue, as the love of God floods my soul. It is a renewing a form of great strength, many time it comes just before a great spiritual battle. What Paul was referring to, if no interpreter, to remain silent, he meant to not disturb. Speaking in tongues does not have to be out loud. One can pray in tongues to God in silence. To say Speaking in tongues in not of God without an interpreter, is blindness and that person does not know the Spirit of God. Dan You are on the verge of being a blasphemer, and putting yourself in perilous danger, many of you are. So, think for a minute, if you are wrong, is it worth it to speak out against it. I cry for you, but God will not listen to me, if you cross the line. Is it worth it, my friends? Please consider, what you might be doing and teaching others to do as well. Do you want to stand before God and answer for yourself and others that you lead into destruction. It’s a serious thing to fall into the hands of God, and come up wanting! Is it worth it? What good are you doing against something you know nothing about? Blood is off my hands, my friends. You can answer, not to me. You can answer to him.

    • Dan

      Ron, I’m not saying speaking in tongues could not be a gift which the bible does say some may receive. But what I am saying is at Pentecost the apostles preached and the holy spirit made it so everyone understood. They understood in their own dialect. God can do that Ron. But it sure wasn’t the jibber jabber you hear in a Pentecostal church. Yes Ron we will have to stand before God and explain why we condemned our brethren to hell. Use the bible to gather rather than to divide Ron. This if anything I hope you hear.

      • Ron Murphy

        Mat_10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

        I don’t do the dividing, Dan. God does!

        • Dan

          My point Ron is only divide those that do not believe Jesus is the messiah. I feel most here are in agreement of the divinity of Christ. We can learn or have differences of opinion about scripture. This does not affect our salvation.

          • Ron Murphy

            Dan, I am of the Pentecostal faith, I speak it an unknown tongue and I’ve had the power of God go through me from head to toe. It isn’t from opening up to any spirit. It comes from divine concentration on the awesomeness of the Lord God and realizing how mighty he is and still how loving and gentle at the same time. It brings one to the state of complete submission to the power of God. It is like a relationship of knowing him first hand. Many counterfeiters are out there, but there is a real Spirit of God and when it gets in you, you can’t help but submit. There is nothing like it. It is our way of worship, because it’s done in spirit and in truth. Speaking in tongue have not ceased, just as prophecy and knowledge have not and will not until the mystery of God is finished.

            1Co_13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

    • Ted Lindblad III

      If you speak in tongues, then you should be able to drink any deadly thing, heal the sick, be not affected by poisonous snakes, cast out devils…

      If you can do these things today (men could 2,000 years ago), then you can speak in tongues too. I think you are wrong, the Bible demonstrates that you are wrong, therefore I am speaking out against what you say.

      The reason men spoke in tongues is that they would be equipped to travel the globe preaching the Kingdom gospel to every one they came into contact with. Praise God for His longsuffering nature, the gospel of grace and peace is rightly preached today as we wait patiently for the dispensation of this age to come to an end and the Kingdom gospel to be preached once again as the wrath of God is poured out on a God rejecting world.

      The reason these men can drink any deadly thing is due to Wormwood poisoning the worlds waters. The reason they can cast out devils is because devils will be running wild post rapture. The reason they can heal the sick is to show signs to an unbelieving world during the great tribulation.

      Rightly divide your Bible and ALL of it will make sense.

      “It’s a serious thing to fall into the hands of God, and come up wanting!”

      You’re darn right it is. Since you are missing completely what God says to believers today through the Apostle Paul alone, you should seriously check your own doctrine. We are not Israel. These signs are for Israel as Israel requires a sign. We walk by faith, faith in things unseen. Faith through study of Gods Word. Faith that what God says to us today is as true as what He commanded Israel yesterday and tomorrow.

      • Ron Murphy

        These signs were spoken to the Apostles. Did they require a sign? This sign was not to the Jews at all, but to people of all nations. Go ahead and speak. The price is yours, along. Now I ask you one thing. if the tongues giving utterance, was only to preach to the nations as in the way it came, then why was it used to edify the saints?
        Mar_16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
        Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
        Evidently you haven’t seen the power of God move before, Ted. But I have and I’ve been healed myself, many times. So, Ted this verse is for you.

        1Co_14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

        2Ti 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
        2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
        2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
        2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
        2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

      • Ron Murphy

        You really should do some studying, Ted. You lack a lot of understanding about things spiritually discerning.

        1Co 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
        1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
        1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
        1Co 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
        1Co 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

        • Ted Lindblad III

          “then why was it used to edify the saints?”

          Because God was building the church the body of Christ back at that time before the scriptures were written down and completed. He needed men who could edify the saints where ever they were. He needed men who could identify what scripture actually was and was not.

          “You really should do some studying, Ted. You lack a lot of understanding about things spiritually discerning.”

          Well thanks Ron. I sure could say the same about you. If you would only learn HOW to read your Bible, you would actually grow in grace and not the denominational pentecostal nonsense you currently practice. You were NEVER baptized WITH the Spirit Ron and to say that you were means that you are a liar and a deceiver.

          2 Cor 11:14-15… “And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.”

          Paul and Paul alone is our Apostle for today.

          1 Cor 12:31… “But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.”

          What is that more excellent way Ron? It is the free and clear Grace from God to all men everywhere; PLUS NOTHING.

          “Evidently you haven’t seen the power of God move before, Ted.”

          Evidently you have seen the power of demons masquerading as angels of light. And you believe them. They have won you over.

          This is why I am here…

          2 Tim 2:24-26… “And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”

          Gentle fails with you Ron.

          1 Cor 13:8… “Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.”

          What does Paul mean when he says these gifts shall cease? Ron, they ceased over 2,000 years ago yet you pretend that you have them and mislead how many into believing you have “power” from on High. You sir are a liar as we today are baptized BY the Holy Spirit into the body of Christ, not WITH the Holy Spirit into power.

          Eph 4:4-6… “There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”

          That baptism is not water baptism, it is not baptism by fire, it is not baptism with power, it is baptism into the recognition by God of your salvation through Christ. It is the giving of the earnest of our inheritance. Earnest is a down payment on what we will receive once we are received up into glory. The men who were baptized WITH the Holy Spirit in early Acts had God’s Own Power here on earth. To claim that you have any connection to the same is disgusting and you will be taken to task for it.

          2 Cor 1:22… “Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the spirit in our hearts.”

          You pentecostals are like all other religious denominations, picking and choosing certain verses with which you can control others in your “houses of worship”; denying Godly edification through honest Bible study, refusing reproof and turning away from any correction anyone has to offer. Religion makes me sick. Biblical dishonesty makes me sick. I can only imagine how it causes a Holy God to feel.

          Walk circumspectly Ron.

          • Ron Murphy

            Ted, I believe you have gone to far to be forgiven, calling the Spirit I have is of cursed demons. For this is exactly what the pharisee did. And this is what I am here for to prevent you from doing so. I have another verse for you, Ted. You really need to learn to keep your mouth shut. It brings out the hearts evil works. If you don’t understand, then say nothing it may cost you to speak your mind. I feel sorry for you, but you done this to yourself. God will judge us both, Ted. You don’t have fear for him. That shows lack of knowledge.

            2Pe_2:11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
            Jud_1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

          • Ron Murphy

            Ted, the Spirit still edifies the church. It tells us what we need to do and leads us into all truth. It is God’s way of speaking to us openly and also, personally as we pray in tongues. You called God’s Holy Spirit of the devil, now do you know what you have done?

          • Ron Murphy

            You say they spoke in tongues to edify, but Paul spoke in tongues for other purposes, also. You are wrong, Ted.

            1Co 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
            1Co 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

            • Ted Lindblad III

              I am forgiven Ron. And so are you if you would but accept the payment God made, His own Son, on your behalf. The blood of Christ has paid it all. That’s not enough for you though is it? Your religion says that you need more than Christ’s precious blood. That’s sick, and an affront to the God who gave His only Son as that perfect payment. You are telling God that you can improve upon what He has already done. Wow, Ron… aren’t you special!

              Praise God I do not have to listen to foolish pentecostals, catholics, methodists, baptists, lutherans, etc… to be saved. All of these denominational doctrines are not of today. All of the same ignore what God has said to us today through the Apostle Paul.

              God gave His Holy and Complete Word and tells me to study to shew myself approved unto Him. I don’t need a churches approval, I don’t need a denominations approval, I don’t need (or seek) your approval Ron. You “pray in tongues” all you want and you will see where that leads you. Call fire down upon me Ron… I dare you.

              The Bible tells me all I need to know Ron. You should learn how to read it. Try Galatians out for size. Read the words on the page and allow them to say what they mean. Careful though, as they will show you just how wrong you are.

              You quote verses which are so out of context and so out of time placement, it is stunning. It is also pathetic since you only pretend to have a form of knowledge and godliness upon which you stand and teach. People don’t HAVE the Holy Spirit today Ron. Whatever it is you have (if anything, as I think you are simply a liar) is not of God. You are nothing more than a televangelist wannabe without a television. Damn right God will judge us both. I wish you well in that.

              I will not keep my mouth shut. On that you can count.

    • Dan

      The fact still remains Ted. The apostles were speaking in dialects that the crowd understood at Pentecost. I’m not saying a christian can’t receive the blessing of speaking in a heavenly language. Still I believe there are gifts from the holy spirit that may serve us better. No Ted you are blinded by your own zeal my brother. You seem to be saying that the old testament doesn’t really count.
      The Jews are Gods chosen yet we should disregard the fact that Christ was born a Jew and he even said at first that he didn’t come here for you Ted. He came for the Jews. I still take into account how young you are in Christ Ted. But, I would encourage you to do a little more than just reading the king james bible.
      If you don’t you will not be prepared for those who do. I’ve heard God helps those who help themselves. For you to say that the Hebrew alphabet and how it came about means nothing shows wanting ignorance on your part.

      • Ted Lindblad III

        You really ought to read what I post before demonstrating your ignorance in writing for all to see Dan.

        “The apostles were speaking in dialects that the crowd understood at Pentecost.”

        I understand this and said nothing to contradict. Acts 2:8… “And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?”

        “I’m not saying a christian can’t receive the blessing of speaking in a heavenly language. Still I believe there are gifts from the holy spirit that may serve us better.”

        I am. You are deluded if you speak in tongues today Dan.

        “You seem to be saying that the old testament doesn’t really count.”

        Nothing could be further from accurate Dan. Without the OT scriptures which include the 4 accounts of Jesus earthly ministry, nothing Paul wrote specifically to me would make any sense whatsoever.

        “The Jews are Gods chosen yet we should disregard the fact that Christ was born a Jew and he even said at first that he didn’t come here for you Ted. He came for the Jews.”

        This too is understood. Mat 15:24… “But He answered and said I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” What’s your point Dan?

        “I still take into account how young you are in Christ Ted.”

        I am trying to take into account how young you are to the logically progressive English language Dan.

        “But, I would encourage you to do a little more than just reading the king james bible.”

        I would encourage you to not only read it, but to believe it Dan. It is Gods Perfect Word, without error or contradiction. But I repeat myself again and again and again… you just refuse to hear. I ask yet again Dan, what is the point of continuing to beat this poor dead horse? I believe the Bible Dan, every blessed word, you do not.

        “I’ve heard God helps those who help themselves.”

        I’ve heard all sorts of things from all sorts of people Dan… Again, what’s your point? Or do you find that spewing meaningless platitudes provides a pretense of wisdom sorely lacking?

        “For you to say that the Hebrew alphabet and how it came about means nothing shows wanting ignorance on your part.”

        That would be “wanton” ignorance Dan. Only an idiot would “want” ignorance. Hint, hint. And by the way, where did I say such a thing as you accuse? I profess to know absolutely nothing about the Hebrew alphabet as I am not Hebrew, nor a Hebrew “scholar” like you.

        Dan, does your father know you have stolen his computer yet again?

    • Dan

      Listen Ted. I said wanting ignorance because I thought you were acting like an idiot and that’s what I meant. Your bringing this back to our beliefs about the bible (really). Why Ted? I’ve already told you that as far as I’m concerned . If you believe in the divinity of Christ we can argue all day long about understanding scripture. The bible is for debating our understanding of it.
      You believe we have to believe the bible is divine to be saved. I do not.
      As for speaking in tongues Ted. I misread your post and you were agreeing with me. So shoot me!

    • Christianity requires one to prayer through an intermediary and to recognize a man as G-d. That is idol worship. Judaism and G-d’s Torah cannot be merged with idolatry. Both Messianic “Jews” and Christians are wrong. http://www.kiruvnow.com

      • I meant “pray.” Sorry for the grammatical error.

    • Mike

      Someone said the sabbath was a command forever. Jonah was in the belly of a whale forever. Hebrew roots will never ever ever teach from galatians because it is written to them as a rebuke from god. They will twist it and lie on it it’s all they can do. The promise that was given to Abraham was before the law as Paul said nuff said. Abraham married his half sister which according to yorah is punishable by death god said nothing to him. By keeping a physical day separate you are not keeping the Torah because it is soiritual and eternal and eternity means the absence of time by definition. The Hebrew woods movement gas a powerful demonic spirit empowering it I barely escaped by the grace of God I will never go back to that bondage. Whatsoever is not of faith is sin the law is not of faith. Let’s use the whole bible not cherry pick OK hebrew roots decievers.

    • Mike

      Hebrew roots will say you misunderstood Paul . Paul us not misunderstood by a gentile because he writes to gentiles period. When someone tells you that run.


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