Is Your Study Of The Bible Robbing Paul To Pay Religion?

Without right division and Pauline doctrine, the New Testament believer is left with no spiritual lenses where they can walk in light of the scripture without continually collapsing into...
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The Apostle Paul has specific instructions for the body of Christ as it pertains to Jesus Christ earthly ministry, other Apostles such as Peter, James, and John, and the Old Testament scriptures

“Now Korah, the son of Izhar, the son of Kohath, the son of Levi, and Dathan and Abiram, the sons of Eliab, and On, the son of Peleth, sons of Reuben, took men: And they rose up before Moses, with certain of the children of Israel, two hundred and fifty princes of the assembly, famous in the congregation, men of renown: And they gathered themselves together against Moses and against Aaron, and said unto them, Ye take too much upon you, seeing all the congregation are holy, every one of them, and the LORD is among them: wherefore then lift ye up yourselves above the congregation of the LORD?” Numbers 16:1-3 (KJV)

Have you ever read the horrific account of what God did to Korah, Dathan, and Abiram when they attempted to usurp authority over Moses and Aaron? If not, read Numbers 16 KJV before continuing.

Now let’s review: Who were Korah, Dathan, and Abiram in comparison to Moses? Wasn’t Korah a Levite same as Moses? YES. Weren’t Dathan and Abiram Israelites whom God had delivered from Pharaoh and the Egyptian army, same as Moses and Aaron? YES. Wasn’t the Lord among Korah, Dathan, and Abiram as he was with the rest of the nation of Israel? YES. So why did God kill them by opening the earth and swallowing them alive? Simple: because Korah, Dathan, and Abiram attempted to usurp authority over a man God had specifically chosen and ordained for a specific purpose (Exodus 3 KJV)

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Without right division and Pauline doctrine, the New Testament believer is left with no spiritual lenses where they can walk in light of the scripture without continually collapsing into a pit of doctrinal contradictions. Paul holds the key.

Now who was Moses? Was Moses the pope (speaking sarcastically) NO. Was Moses someone to be worshipped? NO. Moses was simply a sinner whom God had chosen to lead his chosen people into the promised land, and the nation of Israel was supposed to follow Moses as Moses followed God.

FLASH FORWARD 4,000 years: Who is the Apostle Paul? The Apostle Paul was a sinner whom God specifically chose to be the Apostle of the Gentiles.

“Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem: And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name. But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: For I will shew him” Acts 9:13-16 (KJV)

“Nevertheless, brethren, I have written the more boldly unto you in some sort, as putting you in mind, because of the grace that is given to me of God, That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.” Romans 15:15-16 (KJV)

For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:” Romans 11:13 (KJV)

With that being said, the body of Christ is told to follow the Apostle Paul as he follows Christ:

“Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.” 1 Corinthians 11:1 (KJV)

“Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.” Philippians 3:17 (KJV)

Now why did the Apostle Paul repeatedly have to remind the body of Christ to follow him as he follows Christ? Because doctrinally, there are several mysteries that the Lord had given the Apostle Paul that was NEVER revealed to James, Peter, John, or even revealed by Christ during his earthly ministry. The Lord specifically choose to reveal them to the Apostle Paul.

“Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.  Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.” 1 Corinthians 4:1-2 (KJV)

“But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.” 1 Corinthians 2:7-8 (KJV)

“For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,  If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:  How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,  Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:” Eph 3:1-9 (KJV)

Now what are some of these mysteries and revelations that the Apostle Paul reveals to the body of Christ? Here are some that cause the most controversy:

Revelation # 1 – Salvation through the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ as a FREE GIFT of God:

“Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;  By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.  For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:” 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 (KJV)

“But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.” Romans 5:15 (KJV)

Revelation # 2 – Jew/Gentile in one spiritual body (body of Christ):

“For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.” 1 Corinthians 12:13 (KJV)

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.” Galatians 3:27-28 (KJV)

Revelation # 3 – Pre-time of Jacob’s Trouble catching away of the body of Christ (aka Pre-Trib rapture)

“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.” 1 Corinthians 15:51-54 (KJV)

“But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.  For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.  For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.” 1 Thess 4:13-18 (KJV)

“For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,” 1 Thess 5:9 (KJV)

Revelation # 4 – Judgment Seat of Christ (body of Christ)

“But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.” Romans 14:10 (KJV)

For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.  Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?” 1 Corinthians 3:11-16 (KJV)

Revelation # 5 – Eternal Security (body of Christ ONLY)

“That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Eph 2:8-9 (KJV)

“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.” Eph 1:13-14 (KJV)

On top of these and other revelations given, the Apostle Paul has specific instructions for the body of Christ as it pertains to Jesus Christ earthly ministry, other Apostles such as Peter, James, and John, and the Old Testament scriptures:

“Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:” Romans 16:25-26 (KJV)

“For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.” Romans 15:4 (KJV)

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”  2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV)

The Apostle Paul specifically instructs the body of Christ to take the preaching of Jesus Christ, along with the preaching of the prophets and other apostles and use them ACCORDING TO THE REVELATION OF THE MYSTERY REVEALED. This of course is done by RIGHTLY DIVIDING the word of truth.

“I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.” Galatians 1:6-12 (KJV)

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The Apostle Paul NEVER preached water baptism for salvation. The Apostle Paul NEVER preached commandment keeping for salvation. The Apostle Paul NEVER preached enduring to the end for salvation. The Apostle Paul NEVER preached that the body of Christ will be present on earth during the time of Jacob’s Trouble. The Apostle Paul NEVER preached that the body of Christ replaced the PHYSICAL nation of Israel. The Apostle Paul NEVER preached that the body of Christ takes part of any land that God promised to the PHYSICAL nation of Israel. The Apostle Paul NEVER preached that the body of Christ is composed of spiritual Jews. The Apostle Paul NEVER preached Sabbath observance for the body of Christ. The Apostle Paul NEVER preached that the body of Christ walks by, possesses, or follows apostolic signs.

READ VERY CAREFULLY: If every born-again Christian today obeyed God’s words by following Paul as he follows Christ, NO CHRISTIAN would fall for demonic heresies and religious cults such as loss of salvation for the body of Christ, replacement theology, covenant theology, women pastors/preachers, apostolic succession, commandment keeping for salvation, enduring to the end for salvation, post-trib rapture of the body of Christ, mid-trib rapture of the body of Christ, Calvinism, Charismania, non-dispensationalism, hyper dispensationalism, ultra gracers, amillennialism, or post-millennialism.

You may still be asking yourself how this all ties in with Korah, Dathan, and Abiram? This ties in because similar to how Korah, Dathan, and Abiram attempted to usurp authority over Moses and Aaron’s God given leadership over the nation of Israel, the heresies and religious cults mentioned above attempt to discredit, ignore, or simply reject The Apostle Paul’s God given doctrinal founding in the body of Christ. In my 3 years of street preaching, 90% of the time the Lord has allowed me to deal with people who had issues with eternal security, the pre-trib rapture, or the rightly dividing the word of truth, they rejected it because it conflicted with their religion or religious views. They robbed Paul to pay religion.

“Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.  For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.” 1 Corinthians 1:10-16 (KJV)

If I had a nickel for every time I heard someone proclaim “I only go by what Jesus said, not Paul”. Or “I only go by what James said”, or “I only go by what John said”, or “I only go by what Paul said”, or “I only go by what Moses said” etc. People who say this are subliminally telling you that the Bible contradicts itself and they can’t or won’t reconcile it.

I can say with a clear conscience that I go by what the entire Bible says. I can do so because I rightly divide like the Bible says to do, and I follow Paul as he follows Christ like the Bible says to do. Without right division and Pauline doctrine, the New Testament believer is left with no spiritual lenses where they can walk in light of the scripture without continually collapsing into a pit of doctrinal contradictions. Don’t rob the apostle Paul to pay religion. instead do this:

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” 2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV)

Jimmy Randolph is a veteran, husband, father, Bible believer and a devoted student of the word of God. He was called to preach on the street in 2012, and maintains a strong, personal tract witness for the Lord Jesus Christ.
    • marlene

      Thank you. I live with the fear that I might be one of the 5 virgins Jesus slammed the door on because they didn’t have oil in their lamps because I still don’t understand what it means. Therefore, I devour articles about salvation.

      • Well then. I have really GOOD NEWS for you then….if you are SAVED, that makes you part of the Bride of Christ, right? Those virgins in Matthew 25 are wedding GUESTS, but we are the BRIDE! It is IMPOSSIBLE for any born-again Christian to be any of the 10 Virgins. How ya feel now?

        • JT

          That would be great! I’ve never heard it said like that at all! So….are the “guests” supposed to represent those that have been saved during the tribulation, or how do they get into heaven for the ceremony without being saved?

    • mike

      calvinism? please explain further… thanks

    • William

      Amen, thank you brother.

    • Put on your Pauline lenses brother and see how Matthew 25 is specifically referencing the Jews in the time of Jacob’s trouble. Not the body of Christ.

    • William

      Awesome article, answered alot of my questions and doubts. Thank you again brother.

    • Eva

      A mini Bible study!!! Love it!! Perfect for my lunch break!! Please keep them coming!! Thank You!!

    • Tracy

      Geoffrey, thank you. Clearly written.

      Apostle Paul was inspired to write what he was told.

      “Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.” 1 Corinthians 11:1 (KJV)

      • This awesome study was written by Bro. Jimmy! 🙂 So glad it’s a blessing to you.

        • Tracy

          My apology, Jimmy.

    • laura

      Interesting. I explain my office of the apostle of the Church of Philadelphia. Yes, I’m a Christian like all other Christians. I’m not “a pope”. I am an apostle given a special and unique commission to take the Church of Philadelphia through the open door of escape from tribulation. And, ppl want to debate at times… as if I am saying something I am not saying. It is as Korah and Moses, etc. as described. No one will “lose their salvation” by not receiving me in ministry. They simply will miss the escape from tribulation not being of the Church of Philadelphia.

      Tribulation… from all I am seeing… has already begun.

      We are advancing to the mid-trib… when Great Trib begins and the mark of the beast is implemented by the pope antichrist/false prophet… (Obama will perish in fires of Revelation 18 across American soil)… and a false “Jesus” will manifest with the pope at time of Great Trib. All who will not take the mark of the beast… and who did not escape with the Church of Philadelphia… will be killed. (Excepting the 144,000… the only ones “left behind” who will live to pass through into Millennial Israel… whereas the saints of Philadelphia will live the 1000 years “where they are”… etc… not going into all of that.)

      Anyway, those who think there is a “pre-trib rapture” are under the impression that the first half of tribulation cannot commence without “Jesus bodily appearing”. They were not watching for the outpouring of the endtime move to begin… a “coming of the Lord” just as Jesus did come on the Day of Pentecost.

      Due to thinking there is a “pre-trib rapture”… this group is very contemptuous of me. “We don’t need an apocalyptic apostle!” etc., etc.

      So, at present, those who believe there is a pre-trib rapture… if adamant… are most likely to get into a Korah spirit towards me… and will not make the escape from tribulation.

      You will see. The endtime move has a small beginning… and grows… and increases… unto the day of the fires of Revelation 18 and the transfiguration of the Church of Philadelphia with me… it’s apostle empowered unto transfiguration.

      We will go through the open door to ZION… as EDEN… Christian perfection on earth in bodies transfigured back into state of Adam and Eve. We will disappear. And the ground of America/ZION/New Testament Israel… will disappear under our feet.

      Those who rejected me on the soil… will die in the fires of Revelation 18… and the earth will swallow them.

      Read Revelation 12 if you don’t believe me.

      I call all to re-evaluate their doctrine.

      All appearances are that tribulation has begun.

      And I, the apostle of the Church of Philadelphia, am present on the soil… the outpouring has begun… will increase.. unto the day of escape from tribulation (see Revelation 18… the angel of glory manifests and calls out… the open door… time of escape… see Revelation 3 and 12…).

      I tell you the truth.

      Who will listen… and who will think they know all and be as Korah??

      You will see more of the endtime move.

      It will continue for 1260 days of first half of trib…and especially on American soil.

      You will see.

      But will you know what you see?

      Or will you insist all are equal and will be equally taken in “rapture”… not realizing… that apart from me as the apostle of the Church of Philadelphia… there is no way to attain transfiguration in the escape through the open door of escape??

      Will you have it your way in your own thinking??

      Or will you heed God??

      • Paul got into the Mysteries of God…if we go into Hebrews and see what was saying about Melchizedek ,you will find, He is a key to pull the ontology of scripture together IE 1st estate creation in Zion before the creation of earth, what role Melchizedek (King of Salem, King if Rightousnes, King of peace) played and how he was needed to fix the problem in which the Spirit of God “moved” (in an act of mercy) upon the waters ( lives – spirits – fallen angels) that is…the “face of the deep” (fallen spirits in hell , abyss, void, outer darkness, The deep – the depths thereof). …problem in Zion…solution: “Let us make man in our image” ( agreement in God’s mountain Zion Ecclasia government of 2/3 unfallen Elohim angelic family)…..next step: Let there be light!!!! Earth = Footstool over enemies / womb / Matrix / realm of redemption.

        • laura

          Hi AAT…

          Hebrews 5: So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. 6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; 8 though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 9 and being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; 10 called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

          11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. 12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. 13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

          It’s good the author of this article rightly divided some (not all correctly) of Paul’s infant level milk for babes doctrine.

          Babes don’t know there is meat of the Word related to Melchisedec.

          If they don’t know that there is meat of the Word they never even thought about… I guess I see why they don’t understand Heaven – the Israel from above in the Spirit of God in Jesus – King of Israel – who is Melchisedec King of Salem/Jerusalem/King of Righteousness.

          When babes teach babes… they don’t know they are babes.

          And they don’t know there is an apostle of the Church of Philadelphia… come to release the mysteries of the meat of the Word… and minister the power of the escape from tribulation.

          I do thank the Lord for those who are humble and listen before pronouncing their preconceived doctrinal ideas… not realizing they don’t have the level revelation to escape tribulation… in the anointing of the best wine saved for last.

          The outpouring is come. 🙂 The move has begun.

          It is now the time and season of the endtime move… and time for people to learn there is surpassingly great revelation Paul only touched upon… that the apostle of the Church of Philadelphia is sent to reveal in full. (People who limit God… they miss things… and I pray they don’t miss the escape…)

    • Glen Stuart

      Paul did preach that the body of Christ was Jewish, you must have missed a couple of words. Also IThess 4-13 is concerning how the saints will be resurrected together (including those that sleep), and that this is not a pre-trib ‘rapture’. He is assuring them that Christ hasn’t returned yet, etc.

      • Could you please provide chapter and verse where the Apostle Paul said that the body of Christ was Jewish?

        1 Thess 4 specifically mentions the “dead in Christ rising first”. The are no “dead in Christ” during the time of Jacob’s trouble.

        • Pete

          All of the early Christians were Jews. The Apostles were Jews.

    • Elizabeth

      The timing of this post is perfect. It definitely provided clarity to some questions I’ve had lately.
      Many thanks!

      • Pray that it helps. Thanks!

    • Heather

      The very first article Jimmy wrote, I felt the Lord led Jimmy to Geoffrey’s ministry. We see confirmation of this through this treasure trove of TRUTH. This is absolutely priceless, spot on, pure truth! Wow, wow, wow! God bless you so much Brother Jimmy!

      • Thanks Sis, much appreciation.

    • Thomas

      Amen jimmy and laura. Those teaching the falsehood of pretrib clearly are not “rightly dividing” revelations or simply hasnt read ch 7 or possibly any of the book. The verses referenced by paul in this article have absolutely nothing to do with a pretib rapture

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    • DON

      Dear Jimmy,thanks for your wonderful amplification of Pauls teaching, which is the greatest discovery of my 82 years of life !! Since I entered his rest I am so much in peace and am not worried about what the world is threatning but am looking to share with others the GOOD news how much GOD loves them !!!

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    • John

      What utter nonsense.

      Be wary of those who claim that there are two Gospels: one given by Paul to the Gentiles, and another given by the Lord, Peter, and other apostles to the Jews. That’s heretical.

      It was Peter (not Paul) who was responsible for first bringing the Gospel to the Gentiles (Acts 10):

      Despite that, these same teachers say that 1 Cor 15:3 is indicative of Paul being the first to bring the Gospel to the Gentiles:

      1 Corinthians 15:3- “For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;”

      Paul didn’t say “For I was the first one who delivered into you…”. He said “…For I delivered unto you ‘first of all’…”. That’s the Greek “en”, and has nothing to do with chronology. It means “in, by, with”. Paul was saying that the first thing he presented to the Corinthians was the Gospel; not that he was the first apostle to present the Gospel (to Gentiles).

      Furthermore, Paul wasn’t just an evangelist to the Gentiles, but to the Jews also:

      Acts 9:15- “But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way:for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, AND THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL:”

      Additionally, at the Council of Jerusalem, when the apostles were trying to determine what to write the Gentile converts who were having their faith subverted by Judaizers, who stood up? Paul? No. It was Peter:

      Acts 15:7- “And when there had been much disputing, PETER rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles BY MY MOUTH should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.”

      How did the Gentiles hear? By Paul’s mouth? No. By PETER’S.

      The early church was comprised ENTIRELY of Jews until the conversion of the House of Cornelius, which many scholars claim was at least 10 years after Pentecost. Were all Jewish converts trying to put the yoke of the law on Gentile converts? No. It was only a certain number from a sect of Pharisees:

      Acts 15:5- “But there rose up CERTAIN OF THE SECT of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, AND to command them to keep the law of Moses.”

      So not only were these “certain of the sect” of Pharisees trying to convince new Gentile believers that they needed to be circumcised (An Abrahamic covenant), but ALSO that they should obey the law of Moses.

      What was Peter’s reaction? He REBUKED them:

      Acts 15:10- “Now therefore WHY TEMPT YE GOD, to put a YOKE upon the neck of the disciples, which NEITHER OUR FATHERS NOR WE WERE ABLE TO BEAR?”

      Who rebuked the Judaizers? PETER. And who, again, brought the Gospel to the Gentiles to begin with? PETER:

      Acts 15:7-9: “And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles BY MY MOUTH should hear the word of the gospel, and BELIEVE. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, EVEN AS HE DID UNTO US; And put NO DIFFERENCE between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.”

      Peter was clear that he brought the Gospel to the Gentiles. He was speaking before the other apostles and elders, and said that there is NO DIFFERENCE between “us” (the Jewish apostles), and “them” (Gentile converts). Furthermore, he goes on to say that the law was a yoke which neither they (the apostles) nor their fathers were able to bear.

      Peter was all about the Gospel of Grace.

      And who gave the final verdict at the Council of Jerusalem? Paul? No. Paul only declared (along with Barnabas) what miracles had been wrought by them before the Gentiles. It was JAMES (the very Jewish 1/2-brother of the Lord):

      Acts 15:13- “And after they had held their peace, JAMES answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:”

      Acts 15:19- “Wherefore MY sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:”

      These teachers also claim that Paul didn’t preach repentance; that repentance was only “Peter’s gospel”. Really?

      Acts 11:1-4: “And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God. And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him, Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them. But Peter rehearsed the matter from the beginning, and expounded it by order unto them, saying… When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted REPENTANCE unto life.”

      Acts 17:30,31- “And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to REPENT: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.”

      Acts 20:21,22- “And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publicly, and from house to house, Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, REPENTANCE toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.”

      Acts 26:20- “shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should REPENT and turn to God, and do works meet for REPENTANCE.”

      2 Corinthians 7:10- “For godly sorrow worketh REPENTANCE TO SALVATION not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.”

      Next, they say that water baptism was only a part of “Peter’s gospel”. Really? Tell that to Paul, who felt it necessary to water baptize John the baptist’s former disciples, DESPITE them already having been believers in Christ:

      Acts 19:2-5: “He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye BELIEVED? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”

      Furthermore:

      “Blessed are they who, placing their trust in the cross, have gone down into the water….We indeed descend into the water full of sins and defilement. However, we come up, bearing fruit in our heart, having the fear [of God] and the trust in Jesus in our spirit.”- Barnabas

      Barnabas and Paul were missionaries together, and defended Gentiles from Judaizers.

      Acts 14:14- “Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,”

      Does anyone think Barnabas had a different Gospel than Paul?

      There is only ONE Gospel, to both Jew AND Gentile.

      These same teachers claim that the “Church of Paul” (for lack of a better term) are the “church saints”, and there will come a time when we/they are separated from the other Jewish believers (dubbed “tribulation saints”) prior to the upcoming Great Tribulation. When it’s pointed out that there are saints during the trib…

      Revelation 14:12- “Here is the patience of the saints: here are they THAT KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and the faith of Jesus.”

      …they claim that Rev. 14:12 is descriptive of ethnic Jews, because far be it for “church saints” to adhere to any “commandments”. If only they’d read a bit more, they’d see that Paul described the church in the same way:

      1 Corinthians 7:19- “Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, BUT THE KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.”

      Pretrib is easy enough to refute.

      As for the OSAS nonsense, the Lord said that he who endures until the end shall be saved. Hebrews 6 describes what happens when one “falls away”. Paul described a falling away (2 Thess 2). You have to have truth before you can fall away from it. We’re told to work out our salvation with fear and trembling.

      The nail in the OSAS coffin is found in Romans 11:

      Romans 11:19-21: “Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, TAKE HEED LEST HE ALSO SPARE NOT THEE.”

      Who was Paul warning? Gentile believers who were already grafted in.

      False teachings abound, setting up the church for failure.

      • You seem to have a problem in basic reading comprehension skills:

        1. I never said that Paul was the FIRST Apostle to the gentiles. I said that the Apostle Paul was the Apostle to the gentiles. Jonah witnessed to the gentiles before Peter was even born, your argument is ridiculous.

        2. The Apostle Paul did witness to the Jews as he specifically stated that the gospel is to the Jew FIRST, but what happened? The Jew rejected and also attempted to stop the gentiles from receiving the gospel (1 Thess 2:14-16 KJV)

        3. When did I ever state that Paul’s gospel doesn’t include repentance? Is lying your only attribute?

        • John

          You said: “You seem to have a problem in basic reading comprehension skills:”

          Yes, I must have problems with reading comprehension, and you have selective amnesia.

          You said: “I never said that Paul was the FIRST Apostle to the gentiles. I said that the Apostle Paul was the Apostle to the gentiles. Jonah witnessed to the gentiles before Peter was even born, your argument is ridiculous.”

          That’s precious. Jonah preach Christ crucified? What did the Lord tell Jonah to do?

          Jonah 1:2- “Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it; for their wickedness is come up before me.”

          You said: “The Apostle Paul did witness to the Jews as he specifically stated that the gospel is to the Jew FIRST, but what happened? The Jew rejected and also attempted to stop the gentiles from receiving the gospel (1 Thess 2:14-16 KJV)”

          Way to cherry-pick. Only SOME of the natural branches were broken off:

          Romans 11:17- “And if SOME of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;”

          And the blindness was only in part:

          Romans 11:25- “For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness IN PART is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.”

          Jews have continued to get saved for 2,000 years. It’s one thing to say Paul’s attention turned toward Gentiles. It’s another thing altogether to make the heretical claim that he brought a DIFFERENT Gospel to the Gentiles than the one the Lord and other apostles preached. According to Galatians 1, that is anathema. And you have failed to respond to any other Scripture which exposes your false teaching.

          You said: “When did I ever state that Paul’s gospel doesn’t include repentance? Is lying your only attribute?”

          You said one of the “mysteries” Paul was given was that salvation is a free gift. Are you denying your claim that this was new, and nothing the Lord or other apostles taught?

          • The only thing worst then a heretic is dealing with a lazy, self-righteous heretic.

            “That’s precious. Jonah preach Christ crucified? What did the Lord tell Jonah to do?
            Jonah 1:2- “Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it; for their wickedness is come up before me.”

            Once again a complete lack of reading comprehension. I said that Jonah preached to the gentiles. I didn’t say that Jonah preached Christ crucified. Nice attempt to cover up.

            “Way to cherry-pick. Only SOME of the natural branches were broken off:
            Romans 11:17- “And if SOME of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;”

            Lol, an you got the never to say that I cherry-pick? The context of Romans 11 is NATIONAL ISRAEL, not individual Jews. Peter, Paul, John, and James believed Jesus Christ to be the Messiah, they weren’t blind at all. Although individual Jews can get saved, NATIONAL ISRAEL as a whole is blinded.

            Romans 11 KJV
            1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

            “Jews have continued to get saved for 2,000 years. It’s one thing to say Paul’s attention turned toward Gentiles. It’s another thing altogether to make the heretical claim that he brought a DIFFERENT Gospel to the Gentiles than the one the Lord and other apostles preached. According to Galatians 1, that is anathema. And you have failed to respond to any other Scripture which exposes your false teaching”

            And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. (Matthew 19:16-19 KJV)

            Show me ONE VERSE where the Apostle Paul stated that the way to have eternally life is by keeping the commandments. Shouldn’t be too difficult for you to find since you claim that Jesus and Paul preached the exact SAME GOSPEL.

            “You said one of the “mysteries” Paul was given was that salvation is a free gift. Are you denying your claim that this was new, and nothing the Lord or other apostles taught?”

            Is that a real question? Paul specifically states that you have to be a SINNER to receive the free gift! That’s the repentance. (Acts 20:21-22 KJV) The Apostle Paul always preached that the believer SHOULD do works AFTER salvation, but NEVER FOR salvation.

            Titus 3:8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are GOOD and PROFITABLE unto men.

            Once again, basic reading comprehension.

            Acts 19:2-5: “He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye BELIEVED? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”

            Once again, you’re displaying your ignorance of scripture. What was the purpose of John’s baptism? The purpose of John’s baptism was to REVEAL THE MESSIAH to the JEWS (John 1:31 KJV). Paul revealed Christ Jesus as the Messiah to them and baptized them according to Acts 2:38 which was the baptism of repentance for NATIONAL ISRAEL. IT’s JEWISH.

            Acts 2:
            36 Therefore let all the HOUSE OF ISRAEL KNOW assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

            37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

            38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

            • John

              You said: “Once again a complete lack of reading comprehension. I said that Jonah preached to the gentiles. I didn’t say that Jonah preached Christ crucified. Nice attempt to cover up.”

              Let’s not beat around the bush. This is what you originally said:

              “I never said that Paul was the FIRST Apostle to the gentiles. I said that the Apostle Paul was the Apostle to the gentiles. Jonah witnessed to the gentiles before Peter was even born, your argument is ridiculous.”

              By implication, you’re suggesting that Peter wasn’t the first to bring the Gospel to the Gentiles.

              You said: “Lol, an you got the never to say that I cherry-pick? The context of Romans 11 is NATIONAL ISRAEL, not individual Jews. Peter, Paul, John, and James believed Jesus Christ to be the Messiah, they weren’t blind at all. Although individual Jews can get saved, NATIONAL ISRAEL as a whole is blinded.”

              Paul (again) said that only some of the branches were broken off. And AGAIN, that blindness has only been “in part”.

              As only SOME of the branches have been broken off, that means many of the branches are still on the Olive Tree. So if you take that to mean “National Israel”, irrespective as to whether or not you believe Romans 11 to be in regard to “National Israel”, it means that a large part of “National Israel” is indeed on the Olive Tree.

              Jews were being converted by the thousands in the Book of Acts. They were a part of “National Israel” prior to their conversion. The same has been true for 2,000 years. So this erroneous teaching that “God has stopped dealing with Israel” until the 70th week is false. The blindness has only been in part, and only some of the branches have been broken off. Converts are indeed individuals, but those individuals have indeed been a part of “National Israel”. So God has very much continued to “deal” with National Israel.

              Additionally, if I asked you who the land promises are for, you’d say “National Israel, of course”. However, Jewish converts are still ethnic Jews. Do you think they have their Abrahamic promises forfeited because they came to faith in Christ?

              By the way, you still haven’t responded to the fact that Paul warned Gentile converts not to be high minded, because if God spared not the natural branches, neither would He spare the wild branches.

              Paul said that all believers are the children of Abraham:

              Galatians 3:7- “Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the CHILDREN OF ABRAHAM.”

              We’re now the seed, and fellow heirs:

              Galatians 3:29- “And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye ABRAHAM’S SEED, and HEIRS according to the PROMISE.”

            • John

              You quoted Matthew 19:16-19. You then said: “Show me ONE VERSE where the Apostle Paul stated that the way to have eternally life is by keeping the commandments. Shouldn’t be too difficult for you to find since you claim that Jesus and Paul preached the exact SAME GOSPEL.”

              It’s mind-blowing to me how you would find it offensive to obey the Ten Commandments. How did the Lord respond?

              Matthew 19:18,19- “He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.”

              For the sake of clarification, are these commandments some kind of burden on you? Do you think breaking any of them is okay? You may say “No, but that still doesn’t mean we need to keep them to be saved.”

              First of all, the Lord said that if we love Him, we WILL obey His commandments. So if you claim to be a believer, but think it’s okay to break His commandments, then what does that say about any love for Him?

              Secondly (and I posted this in my original post), what do we read in Rev. 14:12?

              Revelation 14:12- “Here is the patience of the SAINTS: here are they THAT KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and the faith of Jesus.”

              Before you jump to the wrong conclusion and reply that the verse is only referring to “trib saints”, realize that Paul described the church in the same way:

              1 Corinthians 7:19- “Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.”

              John 14:15- “If ye love me, keep my commandments.”

              John 14:21- “He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.”

              Pretribbers love to quote John 14:1-3, as if it’s only to a Gentile church, but there seems to be a blindness to these verses.

              John 15:10- “If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.”

            • John

              Other verification:

              1 Thessalonians 4:2- “For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.”

              1 John 2:3-4: “And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is not in him.”

              1 John 3:22-24: “And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
              And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.”

              1 John 5:2-3: “By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.”

              2 John 1:6- “And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.”

              Revelation 22:14- “Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.”

              So the question isn’t “if” we should obey His commandments.

              Additionally, what else did the Lord tell that man?

              Matthew 19:21-22: “Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: AND COME AND FOLLOW ME. But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.”

              You’ll say that the Lord wasn’t speaking to us, because we don’t have to sell everything. But the Lord knew what this man’s vices were: His possessions:

              Matthew 19:23-25: “Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?”

              You said: “Is that a real question? Paul specifically states that you have to be a SINNER to receive the free gift! That’s the repentance. (Acts 20:21-22KJV) The Apostle Paul always preached that the believer SHOULD do works AFTER salvation, but NEVER FOR salvation.”

              I think you need to go back and read my original response to your study. Where did Peter say that works are required for salvation?

            • John

              You’ll probably quote James. What did James say?

              James 2:20- “But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?”

              James 2:21-22: “Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith MADE PERFECT?”

              What else did James say?

              James 2:8-13: “If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.”

              What did Paul say about Abraham’s justification?

              Romans 4:2-5: “For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; BUT NOT BEFORE GOD. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”

              James said that Abraham was justified by works. Paul said that works don’t justify a man. They can’t both be right. Unless James didn’t mean Abraham’s works justified him before God. Remember, he only said that good works make faith perfect, and the theme of James 2 was caring for the poor and afflicted, something the Lord Himself told us to do (Matthew 25).

              So did Abraham’s works justify him? Yes, before man. There isn’t a single father who isn’t shocked in looking at what Abraham was willing to do, and question whether they could do the same thing. However, it was Abraham’s faith that justified him before God, and why Hebrews 11 and 12:1 lists him as being among the greats in the “cloud of witnesses”.

              And again, did Paul and James preach different Gospels? Absolutely not. At the Council of Jerusalem, it was JAMES that stood up with his ruling on how to proceed with the Gentile converts; NOT Paul.

            • John

              You then quoted Acts 19:2-5, and said: “Once again, you’re displaying your ignorance of scripture. What was the purpose of John’s baptism? The purpose of John’s baptism was to REVEAL THE MESSIAH to the JEWS (John 1:31 KJV). Paul revealed Christ Jesus as the Messiah to them and baptized them according to Acts 2:38 which was the baptism of repentance for NATIONAL ISRAEL. IT’s JEWISH.”

              That’s patently false. They already had accepted Jesus as Savior:

              Acts 19:1-2: “And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain DISCIPLES, He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost SINCE YE BELIEVED? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.”

              “Blessed are they who, placing their trust in the cross, have gone down into the water….We indeed descend into the water full of sins and defilement. However, we come up, bearing fruit in our heart, having the fear [of God] and the trust in Jesus in our spirit.”- Barnabas

              Barnabas and Paul were missionaries together, and defended Gentiles from Judaizers.

              Acts 14:14- “Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,”

              Does anyone think Barnabas had a different Gospel than Paul?

              There is only ONE Gospel, to both Jew AND Gentile.

              And AGAIN, Peter baptized the GENTILE House of Cornelius with the SAME baptism as Acts 2:

              Acts 10:46-48: “For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, CAN ANY MAN FORBID WATER, THAT THESE SHOULD NOT BE BAPTIZED, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he COMMANDED THEM TO BE BAPTIZED in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

              Acts 11:15-18: “And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, AS ON US AT THE BEGINNING. Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift AS HE DID UNTO US, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; WHAT WAS I, THAT I COULD WITHSTAND GOD? When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.”

              Additionally, at the Council of Jerusalem, when the apostles were trying to determine what to write the Gentile converts who were having their faith subverted by Judaizers, who stood up? Paul? No. It was Peter:

              Acts 15:7- “And when there had been much disputing, PETER rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles BY MY MOUTH should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.”

              How did the Gentiles hear? By Paul’s mouth? No. By PETER’S.

              The early church was comprised ENTIRELY of Jews until the conversion of the House of Cornelius, which many scholars claim was at least 10 years after Pentecost. Were all Jewish converts trying to put the yoke of the law on Gentile converts? No. It was only a certain number from a sect of Pharisees:

              Acts 15:5- “But there rose up CERTAIN OF THE SECT of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, AND to command them to keep the law of Moses.”

              So not only were these “certain of the sect” of Pharisees trying to convince new Gentile believers that they needed to be circumcised (An Abrahamic covenant), but ALSO that they should obey the law of Moses.

              What was Peter’s reaction? He REBUKED them:

              Acts 15:10- “Now therefore WHY TEMPT YE GOD, to put a YOKE upon the neck of the disciples, which NEITHER OUR FATHERS NOR WE WERE ABLE TO BEAR?”

              Who rebuked the Judaizers? PETER. And who, again, brought the Gospel to the Gentiles to begin with? PETER:

              Acts 15:7-9: “And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles BY MY MOUTH should hear the word of the gospel, and BELIEVE. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, EVEN AS HE DID UNTO US; And put NO DIFFERENCE between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.”

              Peter was clear that he brought the Gospel to the Gentiles. He was speaking before the other apostles and elders, and said that there is NO DIFFERENCE between “us” (the Jewish apostles), and “them” (Gentile converts). Furthermore, he goes on to say that the law was a yoke which neither they (the apostles) nor their fathers were able to bear.

              Peter was all about the Gospel of Grace.

              And who gave the final verdict at the Council of Jerusalem? Paul? No. Paul only declared (along with Barnabas) what miracles had been wrought by them before the Gentiles. It was JAMES (the very Jewish 1/2-brother of the Lord):

              Acts 15:13- “And after they had held their peace, JAMES answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:”

              Acts 15:19- “Wherefore MY sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:”

              Your teachings are entirely unScriptural.

      • AndrewA

        Quote from the Article:
        “I can say with a clear conscience that I go by what the entire Bible says.”

        This statement vs what you said makes me wonder if you read the article before posting.

        Though I have a more important question.

        What do you believe the word Gospel means?

        • By definition, the word gospel is God’s revelation to fallen man. In the Bible, you have the gospel of the kingdom (Matt 4:23 KJV ), the gospel of the grace of God (Acts 20:24 KJV ), and the everlasting gospel (Revelation 14:6 KJV ). Neither one of those gospels are the same, but all three contain a message of grace that God gives to fallen man during that particular time.

          I said that I go by what the entire Bible says and that’s an accurate statement. Those who choose to reject God’s commandment to rightly divide his words cannot say that they go by what the entire Bible says without falling into constant contradictions and heresies.

          Here’s an example: According to Leviticus 11:1-7 KJV, eating pork is forbidden by God. I believe that verse even though I eat pork with a clear conscience today. How so? Because the Apostle Paul tells me that as a member of the body of Christ, I can eat any creature of God as long as I pray over it (1 Timothy 4:4-5 KJV). That’s how I can Biblically say that I believe both verses without contradiction.

          But if you don’t believe in Rightly dividing God’s words (2 Timothy 2:15), how can you Biblically say that you go by the entire Bible when you can’t reconcile the apparent “contradiction” ?

          • AndrewA

            Thanks for the answer brother Jimmy.

            • John

              That’s it? Believe that fluff? There is no longer Jew or Gentile. No longer circumcised or uncircumcised. We are grafted in ALONGSIDE the natural branches. We are now a PART of the commonwealth of Israel, according to Paul. Romans 14 was meant for ALL believers. There is nothing unclean for ANYONE.

            • AndrewA

              John,

              Jimmy took time to give an answer. An answer he did not have to respond to.

              When you responded to the same exact question all you said was: “well I already covered it in the post.”

              Problem is you didn’t you answered what you believed a
              Gospel was but did not answer what the word Gospel means nor explained how it is used in the Bible.

              Also if we are going to bring the claim of fluff into this conversation. In both responses you gave to me, NO scripture in your responses was cited. Jimmy however backed everything he said with the Bible in my book that is more substance then what you have given so far in response to the same question.

              People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

            • AndrewA

              Minor correction: You did cite Roman ch 14. So you last response is not devoid of scripture reference.

              Problem is Jimmy did not contradict what you said involving it. Last I checked he agrees Jew and Gentile are both saved by the Gospel of Grace and trust in Jesus’s death on the Cross.

        • John

          Andrew,

          I think I explained it in my post. We’re saved by grace thru faith, but it’s not cheap faith, and it requires endurance and obedience.

    • AndrewA

      Thanks for the Article.

      never thought bout the Paul and Mosses comparison.

      In the fact the Israelis where to follow Mosses like how Mosses followed God.

      Then the Church is to Follow Paul like how Paul followed Jesus.

      I know the dots just never noticed the connecting line very eye opening.

      Thanks very much.

    • Jewish Voice

      It looks like you want to argue about spiritually-dead theology again (Titus 3:9). I don’t have the time…Regarding Revelation #2, once again, you Gentiles can’t get it into your heads that you have to be grafted into the Jewish Olive tree if you want to make heaven (Romana 11:17)…There is no spiritual Israel… God is working His plan through the chosen people and not through your spiritually dead denominations (John 4:22)…You Gentiles have stolen the Gospel from the Jews and bastardized it. And, regarding revelation #5, this “once saved, always saved” nonsense was completely refuted a few weeks ago, why are your trying to make a fool of yourselves?

      • Wendy

        …..and why do YOU keep changing your name?? Your antagonistic and very rude form of writing keeps giving you away! Perhaps it was all of your “authoritative prophesying” about what would definitely happen during last month that never panned out had left you too embarrassed to retain your last of several login names?

        You know, less mature-in-the-Scriptures people who read your comments can be led astray. In Bible times, they would have stoned you as a false prophet…

        • Jewish Voice

          Windy (DB in skirts) you’re a liar…I wasn’t making authoritative prophesying about last month. I was relating to the trends of events that could happen after the 2014-2015 Tetrad…I can change my name anytime I want.

          • Wendy

            You never have the attitude of “could happen”, Mountain Saint/Truth Seeker/Concerned American etc.
            No, you always project what WILL happen. I’m not a liar. I’ve simply been blessed with the discernment to recognize you. You are a false prophet, and an exceedingly rude person, as your comments…even above….testify to.
            I fully stand by what I’ve said above.

            • Wendy

              One more thing, Mr Whoever-you-are-at-this-moment, if you insist on still calling people names, at least have the GUTS to make it understandable,instead of your own private little joke.

    • alain humbert

      Brothers Geoffrey, Jimmy,

      now, that’s TRUE DIVINELY-Inspired Devout Exegesis.

      GOD BLESS you.

    • “All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction , for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.” 2 Timothy 3:16 There are no contradictions in God’s holy word.

      Jesus didn’t contradict Paul nor Paul Jesus or any of the other disciples. They all agree,doctrinally,historically, prophetically. The scripture seems to indicate that Paul can be hard to understand and many use his words (twist) to their own destruction!!!!

      Therefore, beloved looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; and consider that the longsuffering of our God is salvation as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him has written to you, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which UNTAUGHT AND UNSTABLE PEOPLE TWIST TO THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION, AS THEY DO ALSO ALL THE REST OF THE SCRIPTURES!! 2 Peter 3:14-16 We need to trust God’s word and not mans word! There are many false teachers out there! Beware! Do your homework! Don’t let someone else do it for you!!!

      • Tusitala

        Thank you for that quotation from 2 Peter, I am going to follow up on this.

      • Oliver

        Believer. Your comment was well appreciated. Many thanks. In my opinion, your reply touched me greatly over the actual article and incontinent comments. Have a good one.

    • onceuponatime

      Please explain the writings of Peter. Are you saying Paul’s are for me, a gentile believer but Peter to Jewish believers? Please expound on this. I do understand and believe your 5 points. Thank You.

      • Thanks for your reply. It’s actually quite simple to rightly divide, the key is having faith and believing what God said in his words.

        What you MUST understand before anything else is that the entire Bible is not written TO the body of Christ. The body of Christ is a very small part compared to every other time period. About 75% of the Bible specifically addresses Gentiles before the law, Jews before the law, Gentiles under the law, Jews under the law, Gentiles in the time of Jacob’s trouble, Jews in the time of Jacob’s trouble, Gentiles in the Millennium, and Jews in the Millennium. Therefore if you attempt to apply the entire Bible doctrinally to the body of Christ, you’re gonna lose your mind and eventually end up drowning in a sea of contradictions and confusion.

        To answer your question, you can use the writings of Peter, James, the Lord Jesus Christ, ect AS LONG as you’re able to doctrinally line it up with the Pauline revelation. If it doesn’t line up with Pauline revelation, it is because it is written to someone else, not the body of Christ.

        Example: Doctrinally speaking, James says faith without works is dead (James 2:17 KJV). But the Apostle Paul specifically says to him that WORKETH NOT, but believeth on him that justifieth the UNGODLY, his faith is counted for righteousness (Romans 4:5 KJV).

        Now how do you reconcile the apparent “contradiction” ? Simple, doctrinally, who is James talking too?? James is not addressing the body of Christ, James is specifically addressing the twelve tribes scattered abroad (James 1:1 KJV). Doctrinally speaking, James is referencing the time of Jacob’s trouble where works are essential for salvation, hence not getting the mark of the beast.

        If you don’t rightly divide, but choose instead to attempt to shove both verses together, you’re going to have a blatant contradiction on your hand that you can’t reconcile without either calling Paul or James a liar.

        This is one of many examples.

        • John

          False teacher alert.

    • Jewish Voice

      As far as I know, the Jewish fishermen were not educated and didn’t know Greek (Acts 4:13)…Where are their original books written in Hebrew?…Much of the truth was lost in translation into Greek and later into English causing confusion and error…Only nine books were written for you Gentiles and the rest for the Jews. The divine structure of the Bible is entirely Jewish and has the Hebrew alphabet and the menorah design enbedded into it…Yeshua is the King of the Jews, not you Gentiles, and He is in the process of “restoring all things” and establishing His kingdom in Israel, not Rome or Salt Lake City (Acts 3:21). He is bringing His people back home to the Holy Land (Ezekiel 37) and making Israel the paramount nation on earth…Yes, the plan of redemption is for “all” people and the rapture of the “few” (Matthew 7:14) for the shadow of World War Three (Isaiah 57:1)…Keep looking up.

      • onceuponatime

        @Jimmy, does this reply line up with what your teaching? It reads to me like it does. The one point I disagree with is the fishermen were educated in the law and the prophets. In their day it was anticipated to be called to follow a Rabbi , a teacher. Hence, Jesus calling them to follow him was their custom.

        • @onceuponatime I know only the Lord Jesus Christ. I don’t speak Hebrew, so I’m unfamiliar with the name Yeshua. I speak English.

          • Jewish Voice

            I guess you speak Greek, Jesus is Greek for Yeshua, His real name…I have noticed that so much of your stuff is 21st Century Protestant theoloy and not the grass root Gospel of the First Century Jews…I rather follow Peter and not Paul, who apparently wrote nine books for you Gentiles…Salvation is of the Jews and Yeshua the king of the Jews, not you Gentiles…Today Yeshua is restoring Israel(Acts 3:21) and making the Holy Land one of the greatest and most prosperous nations on earth before World War Three (Ezekiel 38:11-13)…Your so-called Christian America is going down for the last time (Jeremiah 25:32-33).

            • James Staten

              Jewish Voice, Apparently there is nothing new under the sun? 1 Corinthians 1:12 area of scripture has been coming to mind often recently. As you are probably aware Saul was from the light bearing tribe of Benjamin, if my understanding is correct? The oracles were given to the Jews. It is a Jewish Book.

    • Jewish Voice

      Wendy, I may have repeated some of Jonathan Cahn’s predictions about the economy but I quickly changed it to seven years when I noticed that some of the crashes were occuring outside of the Shemitan…October isn’t over yet and there is a real possibility of a major crash on the 20th when the IMF may “kill” the dollar as the reserve currency…May I have your permission to make this prediction?…This prediction is better than the spiritually-dead and biblically-incorrect theology some of you guys are propagating at this site.

    • Kathy from Missouri

      Before I start my statement, thank you for your hard work. I believe you truly love God. All of us, including me, have so much to learn. But I have to comment on your remarks.

      You said that Paul never preached water baptism. Have you read the book of Acts? This is verbatim preaching of the apostles to the lost world. Every epistle written was to a church born in the book of Acts. John said in I John 4:5-6, “We are of God: he that knows God hears us; he that is not of God hears not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.” Acts 1:1-6 says, The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen: To whom also he showed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, you have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but you shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

      That was Jesus speaking here. Paul said in Ephesians 2:19-20 that the church is “built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; ” Peter said in I Peter 3:20-22 – “Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:” Jesus said in Mark 16:16, He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believes not shall be damned.”

      Mark 1:4-5 says, “John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.” John 1:31-33 says, “And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water. And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shall see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizes with the Holy Ghost.”

      John said God sent him to baptize with water. Jesus went to Jordan to be baptized by John. Matt. 3:13-16 says, “Then came Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of you, and you come to me? And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becomes us to fulfill all righteousness.” John 3:22-23 says, “After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.”

      At the last supper when Jesus held up the cup of wine he said in Matt. 26:28, “For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” If you have not been baptized in water, your sins have not been washed away yet. Jesus said in Luke 22:20, “This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.” Eph. 1:7 says, “In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins” Col. 1:14 says, “In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

      When Nicodemus came to Jesus, Jesus said to him in John 3:3, 5 & 8, “Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God…. Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God….. The wind blows where it lists, and you hear the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it comes, and where it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.”

      Peter was the executor of God’s new will (which is the New Testament). In Matt. 16:18-19, Jesus said to Peter, “That you art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto you the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” If we want to be an heir of God’s kingdom, we have to obey His word. On the day of Pentecost, in Acts 2:1-17, there were 120 people in an upper room. Jesus’ mother, four brothers and sisters were there also. They had to be saved just like everyone else. Acts 2:2 & 4 says, “And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.”

      There were 15 languages represented there that day. They all heard someone speaking their language. Acts 2:11 says, “we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.” Peter stood up with the other apostles and said in explanation, ” this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; “(see Joel 2:28) After he preached the gospel to them, conviction fell on them and they asked what they had to do to be saved. Peter preached the gospel Jesus gave him (the keys to the kingdom). Acts 2:38-39 says, “Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.” Acts 2:41 says, “Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.”

      They obeyed Jesus by being born of the water (baptism in Jesus name) and of the spirit (received the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues). This was fulfillment of Isaiah 28:11-12, “For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith you may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. ”
      So, this is the “rest and the refreshing” of the New Testament. Peter said in Acts. 3:19, “Repent therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.”

      Paul said in Heb. 4:2-3, “For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remains therefore a rest to the people of God.” (Jesus here is speaking of Joshua in the Old Testament when he led them into the promised land).

      In Acts 19:2-6, Paul met up with disciples from Ephesus and said, “Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were you baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spoke with tongues, and prophesied.”

      Acts 10:42-48 Peter says, “And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believes in him shall receive remission of sins. While Peter yet spoke these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.” Also read Acts 15:17, Col. 3:17, Eph. 4:5-7, Titus 3:4-6, Heb. 9:12-22, Heb. 10:14-20 &22, Gal. 3:26-27 & 29, Acts 5:29-32, I Cor. 6:11, I Cor. 12:13, Acts 15:17, Col. 2:11-12, Heb. 9:15, Acts. 4:12, Acts 8:12, Acts 8:15-17, Acts 8:36-38, Acts 16:14-15, Acts 16:30-33, Acts 18:8, Rom. 6:3-5.

      Acts 9:17-18 tells of Paul’s conversion when it said, “And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto you in the way as you came, has sent me, that you might receive your sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost. And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.” Paul recounted his conversion to tell us he was baptized in Jesus’ name, in Acts 22:16, “And now why do you tarry? arise, and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.” That’s what the scripture means when it says to call on the name of the Lord because baptism is what saves us. Rom. 10:13 says, “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Acts 15:17 says, “That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who does all these things.”

      • Hold up now Kathy from Missouri, I never said that Paul did not preach water baptism. I specifically stated that the Apostle Paul did not preach water baptism FOR SALVATION (1 Corinthians 1:17 KJV).

        You’ll NEVER find it, unless you reject God’s commandment to RIGHTLY DIVIDE his words by saying Paul’s gospel is the exact same thing that Jesus preached in Mark 16.

        If you’re water baptized for SALVATION today, all you did was water slide your way into Hell.

      • John

        Kathy,

        You know as well as I do that this guy is teaching OPPOSITE of what Scripture teaches.

    • James Staten

      Jimmy, Excellent

      • John

        “Excellent” because he teaches two different gospels? Do you realize that he would have been cast out of the church by Paul himself? Yet you’re applauding his efforts?

        The Western Church has horrid doctrine. Charlatans abound.

        • James Staten

          John, I see you still don’t get it. Paul, Was inspired to write half the NT, but you don’t or won’t give him his unique position. You will not believe that the Lord through Paul has revealed a different dispensation, where Jew and Gentile are a New Creation, the Body of Christ. No where in scripture is the Body of Christ mentioned except through Paul. It was a mystery until the Lord revealed it from Glory. Again the Church in the Wilderness can’t be the Body of Christ, or the Body of Christ can’t be a New Creation revealed only to Paul. You can’t or will not comprehend the many mysteries only given to Paul. It by all indications wasn’t understood by Peter and the disciples that Paul preached a different Gospel from what the Lord revealed to the twelve during His earthly ministry, until the Jerusalem Council meeting. Peter was then inspired to come to Paul’s defense, by remembering His experience with Cornelius. After Paul’s conversion, human nature would say, I’m going to Jerusalem to talk with the men who walked with the Lord? The Lord kept Paul away from them, He gave him new marching orders in the desert. I believe the Jerusalem Council didn’t take place until about fifteen years after Paul’s conversion. Why would they leave that meeting with an understanding that Paul would go to the Gentiles and Peter and the others would go to the Jew? You must remember that Peter and the others dealt with the Jews about their Messiah, while still having Temple worship. Peter in his old age even wrote that Paul’s writings are hard to understand, but listen to Paul. One can surmise that after the meeting they realized that the Lord was saving Gentiles in a different way. I personally do not believe that on the day of Pentecost the Body of Christ was born. Peter preached to Jews only if one is to believe scripture. Paul is the prototype for this dispensation of Grace. He was the Chief of Sinners. The Book of Acts is a transitional book, showing the movement from Salvation under the Law to Salvation under Grace.Peter preached the Cross from a murder perspective (Israel killed her Messiah), and Paul preached the Cross from a Glorious perspective the flood gates of grace were swung wide open, particularly to the Gentile. Before the Lord’s finished work of the Cross, all Gentiles were outside all the promises made to the fathers. Again, I am just a layman

          • Tusitala

            ” I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.” Galatians 1:6-12

            • James Staten

              Paul, Sure says it better than I ever could!!!!

        • James Staten

          John, I thought I would make one more comment. You seem to have a treasury of theological knowledge, but are ignorant of Paul’s distinctive ministry? A prior comment by Tusitala sums it up with scripture, Galatians 1:6-12. If I might add 1 Corinthians 3:10, Paul reveals that he is the “master builder”, and last but not least Paul reveals that he is the “pattern” in 1 Timothy 1:15-16. He is the “chief” of sinners, not because he is the worst, but because he is the “first”. Paul was inspired to write several times that it is “My Gospel” and the day is coming when every man will be judged by Paul’s Gospel. Paul had to defend his apostleship all throughout scripture, and it appears there is nothing new under the sun? Hope this helps!!!!

    • Larry/vietnamvet1971

      The 7 Mysteries of GOD explained / Revealed.

      1. The mystery of God’s will (Ephesians 1:9).
      He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him (JESUS)
      He predestined US to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will.

      2. The mystery of iniquity (the devil
      in flesh) (II Thessalonians 2: 7).
      For the mystery of lawlessness (ANTI-CHRIST)is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.

      3. The mystery of godliness (I Timothy 3:16).
      By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He (JESUS) who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.

      4. The mystery of God (Colossians 2:2).
      that their hearts may be encouraged, having been knit together in love, and attaining to all the wealth that comes from the full assurance of understanding, resulting in a true knowledge of God’s mystery, that is, Christ Himself.
      in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

      5. The mystery of the seven stars (Revelation 1:20).
      “As for the mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.

      6. The mystery of the woman on the beast (Revelation 17:7).
      And the angel said to me, “Why * do you wonder? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns.

      7. The mystery of Israel (Romans 11:25
      For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery so that you will not be wise in your own estimation -that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;

    • Jewish Voice

      For your information, So much of your theology is not even biblical and not worth arguing about…Remember? salvation is a relationship, not theology…Religion kills and you Christians have killed millions of us Jews in behalf of this Jesus. Even, today, 85% of the churches believe in this replacement theology and have become anti-Semitic (Genesis 12:3)…Death camps are probably around the corner (My Mother saw in a vision my family killed in one of your death camps)

      • Wendy

        I have begun praying for you, if you care. It makes me sad and concerned that you show none of the peace,joy and kindness that are some of the fruit from a relationship with Christ. I’ve been on this site for probably about a year and Ive yet to see any of that manifested in your writings. I am honestly and truly concerned for your eternal destiny.

        Granted, you know a lot, but knowledge does not save you from the flames…..

    • Tracy

      @Jewish Voice,
      Why are you so filled with bitterness? All God’s children are going to spend eternity together.

    • Jewish Voice

      Wendy, I am not one of your spiritually-dead Protestants. I am a Messianic Jew and I worship Yeshua, not your Jesus…This site is supposed to be about eschatology not happy talk for Gentile leeches (Romans 11:17)…You can do that at Walmart.

      • AndrewA

        acts 4:12
        Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

        The root of Romans 11:17 is Jesus the name by which all men are saved is Jesus.

        Paul says it very clearly in Galatians

        Galatians ch 3 26-28

        26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

        27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

        28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

        29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

        Those who accept this truth in the Age of Grace are saved by Jesus and are nether Jew nor Gentile but one in Christ Jesus. In calling saved gentiles leeches you call the Messiah a leech.

        You insult your Messiah and if you confess him lord with your mouth and believe God raised him from the dead in your heart you are in fact insulting yourself at the same time.

    • Jewish Voice

      The same message goes to you, Tracy.

    • Dave

      #IamaChristian Whether Jimmy be right or wrong, it is not up to us to judge, but to be a Beran and search the scriptures to find out if these things be true. Not to pass unholy judgement but to pray that the Holy Spirit would reveal the truth to us and to Jimmy, not go on here and write what you think is the truth. Let God be true and every man a liar.
      If Jimmy is wrong pray for him, if Jimmy is right, pray for him. James 5:16 The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

      As far as Jewish voice John 3:18 ¶ He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour. Whether he be Jew or Gentile.

      Lets us pray! (Matthew 6:9-13) After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. {10} Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. {11} Give us this day our daily bread. {12} And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. {13} And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

      The best free KJV software
      http://www.dewtronics.com/KingJamesPureBibleSearch/

    • Jewish Voice

      The Bible was written about the battle between Israel (Revelation 12:1) and her seed (Yeshua) and Lucifer and his seed (Genesis 3:15)…God has made many eternal promises to His chosen people and He is fulfilling most of them today during the Terminal generation (Acts 3:21)…He promised to set up the Kingdom of God in Israel (Daniel 9:24-27) and to make Israel one of the greatest and most prosperous nations on earth before World War Three (Ezekiel 38:11-13)…As for you Gentiles, you are only sucklings living off of our Jewish olive tree (Romans 11:17)… There is no land for you Gentiles and you will play no role until after the second Coming when you will be the kings and priests on earth (Revelation 1:6).

      • James Staten

        Well the scriptures tell me as a member of the Body of Christ, that I am already seated in the Heavenlies in Christ Jesus. If you aren’t aware during this dispensation of grace there are three groups of people: 1 Corinthians 10:32 Jews, Gentiles and the Church which is His Body. Your argument can’t be with me, just read the directions!!!

    • Kathy from Missouri

      Jewish voice:

      Thank you for your response. Sorry for my delay in getting back to you. I’m confused when I read your comments. It seems as if you are jealous of anyone sharing your God. Do you want everyone but the Jews to go to hell. I certainly don’t. You also continuously state that the Jews are God’s chosen people, which they certainly are. However, what happens to the Jews as a physical people has everything to do with God’s covenant with them through Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (or Israel). The new covenant of God changed everything. I am so thankful for the Jews who brought me Jesus. Without them, I would have been without any hope.

      In reading the book of Hebrews, you know that the Old Testament plan did not get rid of a man’s sins. Therefore, God said he was going to give Israel a “new covenant”. In Heb. 8:6-8 & 10, “….he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:” He is quoting Jer. 31:33.

      However, God, Himself, told the prophets that He would save the Gentiles as well under His new covenant.

      Isa. 11:10 – And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

      Isa. 42:6 -I the LORD have called you in righteousness, and will hold your hand, and will keep you, and give you for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

      Isa. 49:6 – And he said, It is a light thing that you should be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give you for a light to the Gentiles, that you may be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

      Isa. 60:5 – Then you shall see, and flow together, and your heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto you, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto you

      Mal. 1:11 – For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts

      I as a Gentile am so thankful that God loved His creation enough that He would want to save “whosoever will”. When the Gentile woman came to Jesus and asked for His help in healing her demon-possessed daughter, Jesus told her in Matt. 15:26-26, ” It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it to dogs.” She understood that Jews saw the Gentiles as “dogs”. However, her response moved Jesus when she said, “… Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.” Did Jesus reject her? No, because He said to her, “O woman, great is your faith: be it unto you even as you will. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour. ”

      Everyone knows that God separated a people unto himself. Yet all through the Old Test. and New Test, these same people continued to sin against Him. What good does anyone’s heritage do them if it is not reflected in their lives. That is true for Jew and Gentile alike. All of us are going to stand before God in judgment (Jew and Gentile alike). Yes, all of God’s promises to the Jews will be fulfilled, and I am so excited for them. But do you realize that so many of them will die and go to hell, along with Gentiles who do not believe in and live for Jesus. Paul wrote in I Cor. 12:13,

      “For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.”

      Whether you call God Yeshua or Jesus does not matter, as He is the same Savior. There is only ONE GOD. You of all people know that. II Cor. 5:19 says, “God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself,” In Rev. 1:5-8, ( I will use excerpts only for time-sake.) ” And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, … Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, Behold, he comes with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him…. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. ” In Rev. 1:12:17-18, Jesus says, “…I am the first and the last. …. I am he that lives, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive forevermore.” He did not say he was only reconciling the “Jews” to Himself but the “WORLD”.

      Did not this same God say in Isa. 48:11-13, “I will not give my glory unto another”, “Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.” Isa. 40:9-14, says, “O Jerusalem, that brings good tidings, lift up your voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God!…. Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him… He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.”

      In John 10:11, 14-18, Jesus said, “I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd gives his life for the sheep. I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
      … And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.” (The other sheep are the Gentiles.)

      Isa. 35:4-6 says, “Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you. Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped.” Isa 40:3-5, “The voice of him that cries in the wilderness, Prepare the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.” Was this not revealed in John 1:1 & 1:14, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. … And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”

      Did not Jesus say in John 12:44-45, “… He that believes on me, believes not on me, but on him that sent me. And he that sees me sees him that sent me.”
      The body of Jesus was the only body that God would ever have. He came so He could redeem us. Jesus, Almighty God and the Holy Ghost (or Spirit) are one and the same, just different manifestations. That’s why Acts 20:27-28 says, “For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost has made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he has purchased with his own blood.” When did God’s spirit shed blood? It was in the body of Jesus Christ. God is “spirit”. He could not redeem us without a body. The Holy Ghost or Spirit is simply the spirit of God that dwelt in that body. God is “spirit” and is certainly “Holy”.

      Paul said in II Cor. 4:3-6, “if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus’ sake. For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.”

      There is only one savior and one God, and His name is Jesus Christ. Paul writes in I Tim. 6:14-16, “That you keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: Which in his times he shall show, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only has immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man has seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.”

      There was only ONE COVENANT for the Jew and Gentile. Heb. 13:20 says, ” Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,” Jude 1:3 says, ” Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” Paul then wrote in Eph. 4:4-6, There is one body, and one Spirit, even as you are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. ,”
      Let me ask you a question. Why do you say that Christians are “spiritually dead”. What makes you alive and us dead? Is it not the Spirit of God that wakes us up. I received the Holy Ghost just like they did on the Day of Pentecost in 7/1958. Trust me, I am very much alive! God is alive, so how can those of us who have been born of His spirit not be.
      You need to pray that God will give you a love for Gentiles just like Gentiles need to love the Jews. The word “Christian” simply means to be Christ-like. Did you know that Acts 11:26 records that “the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch”. We are not talking about a “religion” but the church of the most high God.
      I also had a dream of concentration camps. I was in it. All of my family were killed, and I knew I was going to be also. The next holocaust is not going to be just the Jews, but the Gentiles also. We are not physically connected, but we are spiritually. I serve the same God you serve, the ONLY GOD, and His name is Jesus or Yeshua or whatever it is in someone else’s language.

      • Wendy

        You make the point BEAUTIFULLY, Kathy!
        Amen and amen, praise our God!!!

    • Jewish Voice

      Wendy (We all know that you are DB. the old Nazi from hell)…Anti-Semites like you are habitual liars and no metter how many times we shoot down your arguments, you keep coming back, hoping to fool a new generation of posters…You are a complete idiot when it comes to the Bible and most subjects, including the lunar and solar eclipses…So go back to DB the name that got you banned.

    • Wendy

      Wow, you really have a problem.

      What’s the matter…don’t like the fact that I told you that I was praying for you? Such hostility is showing your true character there, Mountain Saint/Truth Seeker/Jewish Voice et al.

      For the record, I love Israel and the Jews. As a Christian, the Good Lord has placed that in my heart. So you’re definitely wrong on that point.

      I don’t like liars. Even casual lying is not my style. I do my best to live with integrity before Jesus.

      I don’t usually argue on here, actually! My Brothers and Sisters here who read my posts can normally see that. Except for when I’ve tried to get you to see your hardened heart and lack of Spiritual Fruit, I am normally encouraging. I much more prefer to build someone up on here rather than tear them down. (You personally don’t like me because I stand up to your bullying, is all. Throwing pearls before swine I guess. Shoot, my bad.)

      By God’s grace, I know my much-read Bible fairly well. I study and have done so for almost 20 years. I love my relationship with my Saviour!

      I’m not really into astronomy. You and others have taught me a lot about those things. Thank you! I DO know, however, not to presume that all of my suppositions are definitely God’s will. I certainly wouldn’t teach it to people here as dogmatic as some, including yourself can be. I am talking about things of the future….without a SPECIFIC Biblical timeline.

      I’ve only used my name Wendy on here. I prefer to be real, rather than make up constant names. Nor have I ever been banned here, or anywhere else, for that matter!

      As for this “DB” thing….whatever in the heck THAT is….boy, have I apparently got YOU fooled! Smile…you’re on Candid Camera! 😀

    • Jewish Voice

      It is a fact that much of the New Testament books were originally written in Hebrew and that some of the early church fathers even quoted from them – per YashaNet…Yeshua Mashiach warned the Jews to not let the Gentiles take over the movement that they would bastardized the Gospel (Mark 10:42-44)…By the end of the First Century, that is exactly what the Gentiles did and they even kicked John and all of the Jews out of the movement (3 John 9-10). Persection and the killing of the “Christ killers” soon followed and continues until today in your Replacement Theology…The Gentiles rewrote the New Testament into Greek and the original Hebrew books disappeared. There is little resemblance of the Gospel Yeshua and Peter taught to that taught by you Protestants and Catholics today. God have mercy on you Gentiles and DB (Wendy).

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