Hillsong NYC Church Has An ‘Engaged’ Openly Homosexual Couple Leading The Choir

Josh Canfield and Reed Kelly, billed as the Broadway Boyfriends on the reality show "Survivor: San Juan del Sur — Blood vs. Water," were engaged at their Jan. 28 54 Below concert, From Broadway to Survivor
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“We have a lot of gay men and women in our church and I pray we always do.” – Pastor Carl Lentz, Hillsong NYC

“For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.” Romans 1:26,27 (KJV)

UPDATE: HILLSONG RESPONDS –  After this story went viral with hundreds of thousands of global views, Hillsong responded not once but twice today to this article. Read it here now.

Hillsong Church in New York City attracts over 7,000 energized worshippers every week. It’s pastor, Carl Lentz, has a half-shaved head, ripped jeans, is covered with tattoos and draws a celebrity audience of people like Justin Beiber and NBA star Kevin Durant. When it comes to the topic of same-sex marriage, however, their official position is shrouded in half-answers and obfuscation. But one thing is quite clear: they allow an openly and unrepentantly gay couple to lead their choir.

Josh Canfield, in an interview with Playbill.com, said this in January of 2015: ” I became truthful with my church. I’m a part of Hillsong NYC. I’m one of their choir directors. I also sing on their Worship team. They’ve been amazing as well. Nothing has changed there now that I’m completely out and with Reed. He sings in the choir as well.” source

Josh Canfield and Reed Kelly, are a proudly-out homosexual couple who preach the gospel of the LGBT Agenda. They became “engaged” last year and are planning a “wedding” for sometime in 2016. They feel no conviction of any kind for the lifestyle they lead, and yet, shockingly, they are allowed to lead the worship choir during church services. Pastor Lentz, when asked about homosexuality, had this to say:

“Jesus was in the thick of an era where homosexuality, just like it is today, was widely prevalent.  And I’m still waiting for someone show me the quote where Jesus addressed it on the record in front of people.  You won’t find it because he never did,” he said.

Well, if Pastor Lentz would turn down the Marshall stacks on his platform and open his Bible, he would find exactly where Jesus condemned homosexuality. All through Matthew, Mark and Luke, Jesus preached an adherence to the Law of Moses, as we see here:

“For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” Matthew 5:18 (KJV)

And what does that same Law that Jesus commanded be kept have to say about homosexuality? Read it for yourself, Pastor Lentz:

“If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” Leviticus 20:13 (KJV)

That God is against homosexuality is a theme that is repeated three times in the New Testament as well, so even the most least-read Bible student should be able piece together what the Bible’s ultra-clear stand on homosexuality might be. But this seems to be a feat unable to be accomplished within the Hillsong theology circles.

“And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.” Revelation 3:14-16 (KJV)

RELATED READING: The New Age Symbolism And Illuminati Influence in the Hillsong Worship Service.

But an inability to understand Scripture is not the problem with Hillsong Church, in New York City, in Australia, or around the world. The problem is money. The Hillsong Church global corporation is a multi-million dollar cash cow that provides an opulent lifestyle for all it’s leaders. And the millions of dollars that now flow in from parishioners would come to a grinding halt if they ever started preaching Bible truth. The only reason why thousands line up to attend their services is because there is no conviction of sin, no preaching about Biblical righteousness, no hard truths from the Scriptures. What they get is a “christian” rock concert with strobe lights and massive video displays, so that the people who were out in the clubs the night before will feel right at home.

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The Illuminati pyramid topped off by what looks like a huge snake in a circle, this is what your average Hillsong United “worship service” looks like. Do YOU see Jesus anywhere in here?

Personally, I believe that a true Bible church should be reaching out to the homosexual community as it would reach out to any other people group who are in need of salvation. But as a pastor, when homosexuals attend your church, you have a sacred, sworn obligation to tell them that what they are doing is a sin that needs to be repented of. Failure to do so will result in the blood of these people, spiritually, being on your hands, and you will give an account at the Judgment Seat of Christ for why you didn’t preach the truth to them when you had the opportunity to do it.

Carl Lentz, are you listening?

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Josh Canfield, in an interview with Playbill.com, said this in January of 2015: ” I became truthful with my church. I’m a part of Hillsong NYC. I’m one of their choir directors. I also sing on their Worship team. They’ve been amazing as well. Nothing has changed there now that I’m completely out and with Reed. He sings in the choir as well.” http://www.playbill.com/news/article/broadway-boyfriends-of-survivor-get-engaged-on-stage-plus-video-340487/print

From an article in the NEW YORK TIMES newspaper: Some of Hillsong’s churches appear to be open to gays and lesbians. Josh Canfield and Reed Kelly, a gay couple featured on the current season of “Survivor;” worship and sing in the choir at Hillsong New York; Mr. Canfield is a volunteer choir director at the church.http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/18/us/megachurch-pastor-signals-shift-in-tone-on-gay-marriage.html

From in interview in the Christian Post: Hillsong pastor Carl Lentz said “”We have a lot of gay men and women in our church and I pray we always do.” http://www.christianpost.com/news/jesus-never-discussed-homosexuality-publicly-says-megachurch-pastor-of-his-refusal-to-talk-openly-about-gay-marriage-120918/

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  • The End is near
    2 August 2015 at 10:25 am
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    Does this news surprise anyone? The depravity, immorality, corruption and lack of respect for the Word of God has reached the levels of Sodom and Gomorrah and keeps rising above them.

    Soon and very soon we shall hear the shout, the voice of the archangel and the sound of the trump of God calling us home, but how many out there are listening?

    • Tusitala
      2 August 2015 at 12:16 pm
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      Not many…. and fewer each day. Dear Jesus, help us to endure…

      • Friend of Israel
        2 August 2015 at 11:53 pm
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        It makes me really sad. Tears.

    • Sueawatcher
      2 August 2015 at 4:42 pm
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      “Jesus was in the thick of an era where homosexuality, just like it is today” I see no proof of this.

      Jesus did not preach against starving a dog, or chaining a kid to a tree. He never said thou shall not rob 1st national bank or run naked in San Francisco. He did not preach against smoking pot or crack. He never said anything about sex change, abortion, or burning the flag.

      We will be judged by the word of God, every dead and word against God.

      • Sueawatcher
        2 August 2015 at 5:07 pm
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        After a brief search I see that at the time of Christ, if anyone was a homosexual, they were stoned to death by the Jewish leaders. It was their responsibility to judge and carry out any sin that went against the word of God.
        It is that way in the Muslim faith also.

        • Sueawatcher
          3 August 2015 at 12:21 pm
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          Not my comment.

        • Roy Garcia
          4 August 2015 at 9:16 pm
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          • David Manalan
            20 December 2015 at 10:46 pm

            To Roy Garcia – I read Brian Houston’s comments titled ‘Do I Love Gay People’ that you referred to (updated link – http://brianchouston.com/2015/08/04/do-i-love-gay-people/#.Vndve0-m0ed); and the phrase that says it most about Hillsongs Laodicean ‘lukewarmness towards Biblical values is reproduced below:

            QUOTE: “So if you are gay, are you welcome at Hillsong Church? Of course! You are welcome to attend, worship with us, and participate as a congregation member with the assurance that you are personally included and accepted within our community. But (this is where it gets vexing), can you take an active leadership role? No.” UNQUOTE – Brian Houston

            A truely Biblical church would of course welcome in any sinner to hear the Gospel message being preached so that the sinner was made aware THROUGH THE PREACHING that unless he or she repented of their sins and accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Savior – and from that time went on to help share the Gospel message, then he or she would spend eternity in Hell (Rev 20:12-15).

            As Hillsong isn’t a Biblically-based church (because they don’t preach the Gospel mentioned above) but are focussed more on entertaining people, it is understandable that Brian Houston takes the position he does regarding Gay people. For that matter, he could take the same stand against other types of sinners in the community such as paedophiles, murderers and prostitutes, etc. The Hillsong Church’s ‘vision’ is all about marketing (i.e. profits) and not about offending those who want to use its facilities.

            Like all churches that have gone astray from the ‘Narrow Way’ (Matt 7:14), the same message Jesus gave to the Laodicean Church mentioned in Acts 3 is being said by many failful believers to the Hillsong Church leadership as representing Christ’s efforts to have them repent. If the leadership fails to do this, they will hear Jesus speak the following words to them at the Great White Throne Judgment Day – but it will be too late then:

            (Rev 3:15-19) “I [Jesus] know thy works [of entertainment rather than Gospel preaching], that thou art neither cold nor hot [towards Me]: I would thou wert cold or hot [because then I would know whom you represent – Me or Satan]. {16} So then because thou art lukewarm [in regards to your compromise of the Gospel message], and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. {17} Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art [spiritually] wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: {18} I counsel thee to buy of me [spiritual] gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be [spiritually] rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy [spiritual] nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. {19} As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: BE ZEALOUS THEREFORE, AND REPENT.”

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      • Apostle P. Bradford
        2 August 2015 at 6:46 pm
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        He Hath The Son Of God, Hath Life Immortal
        http://www.donothatemarriage15.blogspot.com

        -One thing we learn from Jesus teaching is that He expect us to live sinless lives as surely as He Himself was tempted yet without sin. The woman caught in adultery was told to go and sin no more, the man with the nearly 40 year old sick bed was told to stop sinning. The horde coming to Jesus thinking they belong to him, was denied of Jesus why? Because their sins remain. (see Romans 6th Chapter, Romans 12:1,2)
        -All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin unto death, which is to grieve the Holy Spirit. People have used church attendance for decades to supposedly hide multitudinous sins, all saying God seeth us not, God is ascended from the earth. Great judgement of God will began at these sanctuaries because said sins have reached unto HIM, that He has remembered mankind’s iniquities, judged him double his abominations, repent or perish! Awake O Sword Against My Anointed, GOH, Apb, The RAM, http://www.straitisthegate14.blogspot.com http://www.sacrificeofthewicked14.blogspot.com

        • Storyteller
          2 August 2015 at 11:52 pm
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          The only unforgivable sin is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost, which is cursing God at the heart level (inner being). Which only an unbeliever can do, as they don’t believe in God or the bible. You need to study your bible better brother 💡

          Mat 12:31-32 KJV – Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

          P.S. Although many unbelievers can still repent, many also can’t, for they are sold out to Satan. Why can’t they repent? Because there is nothing to save. These foolish damned ones are merely flesh hosts for demons to inhabit at will.

          To better understand things, consider below playlist 💡

          https://youtu.be/K9irdmYuRhE?list=PLoqHKKE2_FeQEGq35t4t5fkIbOQVsB27w

          • Heather
            3 August 2015 at 1:51 am

            What was wrong with what Apostle P Bradford posted that you felt the need to offend him in his reading of the Bible MRH?
            I see your posting another video of darkness.

          • Geoffrey Grider
            3 August 2015 at 8:50 am

            The only unforgivable sin in our dispensation is to reject Jesus Christ as Saviour. Anything else is forgiven at the Cross.

          • carrierwave
            3 August 2015 at 7:45 pm

            This video is teaching “lordship salvation”. He added works to the “GIFT OF GOD” which is not of works. Repent and turn from your sins? That is NOT THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST. FAITH ALONE nothing added! A subtle but warped salvation plan. FAITH IN HIS BLOOD ALONE FOLKS!

          • Joanne
            21 November 2015 at 6:00 pm

            Hebrews 10:26-27 “For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for the sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.”
            If you truly believe in Jesus, wouldn’t you also believe in what He actually said? His teachings?
            The reason why he says you also require works because, “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also” (James 2:26).
            Faith without works is dead because the lack of work reveals an unchanged life or a spiritually dead heart. It is true, you first need faith, but the proof of this faith is works.
            If you are truly in Christ you would have the fruit of the Spirit!
            As Jesus taught in his sermon about the talents and the servants:

            “14 “Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his wealth to them. 15 To one he gave five bags of gold, to another two bags, and to another one bag,[a] each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16 The man who had received five bags of gold went at once and put his money to work and gained five bags more. 17 So also, the one with two bags of gold gained two more. 18 But the man who had received one bag went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master’s money.

            19 “After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. 20 The man who had received five bags of gold brought the other five. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with five bags of gold. See, I have gained five more.’

            21 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’

            22 “The man with two bags of gold also came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with two bags of gold; see, I have gained two more.’

            23 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’

            24 “Then the man who had received one bag of gold came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25 So I was afraid and went out and hid your gold in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.’

            26 “His master replied, ‘You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? 27 Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.

            28 “‘So take the bag of gold from him and give it to the one who has ten bags. 29 For whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 30 And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’” (Matthew 25: 14-30)

            And again,a direct account of Jesus’ words:

            “12 The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. 13 Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. 14 Then he said to the tree, “May no one ever eat fruit from you again.” And his disciples heard him say it.” (Mark 11:12-14).

            God entrusted you with certain work, certain talents that you need to use in expanding his kingdom. To be in God, you must be an extension of God. Be the tool that God uses to prepare Jesus’ second coming. If you bear no spiritual fruit, if you lie dormant like a seed, how can you say you were alive in Christ? No, you were dead. You received WATER, you received SUNLIGHT, yet you still remained DEAD to the word: like the seed spread upon thorns, the world choked out your faith so you were unable to produce fruit.

            Remember, “but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.” (Matthew 24:13).
            It’s not easy to live for God. But the joy of the Lord is our strength. We only need to trust in him, and He will be our shepherd. “He leads me [us] in paths of righteousness for his name’s sake.” (Psalms 23:3).
            We only need to follow God like His sheep and trust in His divine goodwill and perfect judgment, and we will be saved.

            Faith means more than a proclamation. We must truly believe to the very being of our core that what Jesus said, what Jesus did, what Jesus promised as truth.
            If you truly believe in Jesus. You will believe in what He said. You will believe in what He did was right, and you will follow after your good shepherd in paths of righteousness. For out of the thousands of people who followed after Jesus, who went where Jesus went, who daily looked upon His face, and heard His voice, out of those thousands, he selected only 12 disciples.

            If Moses believed in God, yet never listened to a word he said, never actually brought the Israelites out of Egypt, what good is his belief that God exists?
            Simply acknowledging God, and doing nothing with that knowledge is not taking an initiative with your salvation. It’s taking that faith, and producing fruit that brings a sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God. This difference in faith alone and faith with works is the difference between the sacrifice of Cain and the sacrifice of Abel. Which sacrifice do you want to offer God?

          • ah’
            3 August 2015 at 7:53 pm

            This video is teaching “lordship salvation”. He added works to the “GIFT OF GOD” which is not of works. Repent and turn from your sins? That is NOT THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST. FAITH ALONE nothing added! A subtle but warped salvation plan. FAITH IN HIS BLOOD ALONE FOLKS!

            True, but he does have good info regarding demon possession and occult stuff 😉

          • ah’
            3 August 2015 at 8:08 pm

            What was wrong with what Apostle P Bradford posted that you felt the need to offend him in his reading of the Bible MRH?
            I see your posting another video of darkness.

            @ Heather: I wasn’t trying to offend him just correcting his obvious interpretation error regarding ‘unforgivable sin’ 😉

            As for video playlist above, we live in dark times. The bible admonishes us to expose Satan and reveal God unto the lost lot. Which NTEB also does 😉

            Eph 5:11-13 KJV – And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

            Lexicon :: Strong’s G1651 – elegchō (reprove) = by conviction to bring to the light, to expose

            MRH

          • Scott
            3 August 2015 at 8:41 pm

            The only unforgivable sin in our dispensation is to reject Jesus Christ as Saviour. Anything else is forgiven at the Cross.

            Unforgivable means can’t be repented of. Case in point, selling out to Satan, which many celebrities do. They become Satan’s children, born of unholy seed. The opposite of being born of holy seed, or born of God.

          • Marcus
            4 August 2015 at 2:05 am

            Story teller- Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is to attribute to Satan the deeds of God. Context Brother. It doesn’t even have to be heart felt, it’s just enough to say it is so while perceiving them as the Scripture you quote shows ~ Exegesis dear brother no Isogesis ….though I agree in one thing: The comment shows a great need for Hermeneutics and sound Exegesis. Blessings.

          • Albert
            4 August 2015 at 8:16 am

            The gospel without repentance is not a true message but a perversion of the message that both Christ and Paul preached. Christ tells us that we will perish unless we repent in Luke 13:2-5 “2

            “Do you think those Galileans were worse sinners than all the other people from Galilee?” Jesus asked. “Is that why they suffered? 3 Not at all! And you will perish, too, unless you repent of your sins and turn to God. And what about the eighteen people who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them? Were they the worst sinners in Jerusalem? No, and I tell you again that unless you repent, you will perish, too.”

            Paul preached the same exact message as he states the same thing in Acts 26:20 “I preached first to those in Damascus, then in Jerusalem and throughout all Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that all must repent of their sins and turn to God—and prove they have changed by the good things they do.”

            Faith is after repentance. God has no interested in people who come to him with sin still as their first love. Do we love our sin orientation more than Christ. Which one we embraced? Our sinful orientation or Christ? This pastor will stand before Christ with a lot of blood on his hands as the prophet Ezekiel warned us.

        • Terri
          3 August 2015 at 9:13 pm
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          Why does he call himself an apostle we are all disciples of Christ the only ones who can be called his apostles are the ones who knew him. Paul himself never considered himself or called himself an apostle. Paul calls Andronicus and Junias apostles in Romans 16:7. In this broader sense, an apostle was a witness to the resurrection of Christ, sent by him to make disciples of all nations. it is also said to be a messenger called by Christ to go to all nations. This would refer to the original 12 only and others would be disciples.

          • ah’
            3 August 2015 at 10:02 pm

            Paul himself never considered himself or called himself an apostle.

            Uhmm.. maybe you should read your bible better: 💡

            Rom 1:1 KJV – Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

            Rom 11:13 KJV – For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

            1Co 1:1 KJV – Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,

            1Co 9:1-2 KJV – Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord? If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.

            1Co 15:9 KJV – For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

            Lexicon :: Strong’s G652 – apostolos (apostle) = a delegate, messenger, one sent forth with orders – specifically applied to the twelve apostles of Christ –

          • Dave Miner
            3 August 2015 at 11:52 pm

            Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are £at Ephesus and who are faithful in Christ Jesus: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. [Ephesians 1:1-2, NASB] By your definition of apostle, Paul would not be considered an apostle. But your definition is inaccurate. Paul actually did consider himself an Apostle of Jesus, and expected his words to be understood and obeyed as if they were the words of Jesus. Further, you even pointed out that Paul considered others to be an apostle which your definition would not include. Ultimately, Paul’s words became Scripture. But I understand your point about this man calling himself an Apostle. You are correct that he does not fit the N.T. definition of Apostle. He also doesn’t understand what Scripture teaches about the “unpardonable sin.” He and several others have posted a definition and have claimed things about the unpardonable sin not in Scripture.

      • A O
        3 August 2015 at 11:09 am
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        Jesus did speak about homosexuality in Revelations when He said to the church of Thyatira, “But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice SEXUAL IMMORALITY . . .I gave her time to repent, but she refuses to repent of her sexual immorality. Behold, I will throw her onto a SICKBED.” Revelations 2:20-22

        Note the prophetic connection between SEXUAL IMMORALITY and the SICKBED.

        Jesus also says this to the church of Pergamum, “But I have a few things against you: you have some there who hold the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, so that they might eat food sacrificed to idols and practice SEXUAL IMMORALITY.”

        The definition of SEXUAL IMMORALITY includes acts of homosexuality, fornication, incest, adultery and all other acts listed in Leviticus 10-21.

        Let me add, as a side note, that the next time anyone is confronted with the people who say that you can’t pick and choose and then present the “shellfish” argument, refer them to 1 Corinthians 10:25-28: “Eat whatever is sold in the meat market without raising any question on the ground of conscience. For ‘the earth is the Lord’s, and the fullness thereof.’ If one of the unbelievers invites you to dinner and you are disposed to go, eat whatever is set before you without raising any question on the ground of conscience. But if someone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, for the sake of the one who informed you, and for the sake of conscience—”

        And if confronted with why we don’t punish transgressors of the law according to the law, refer them to John 8:7, “And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, ‘Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.’”

      • Samantha
        3 August 2015 at 1:05 pm
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        If you look into the society of ancient Rome, you will see that open homosexuality was rampant. This was during & after the time of Christ, until Rome’s ultimate fall.

      • Terri
        3 August 2015 at 9:04 pm
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        He said to follow the 10 commandments of which thou shalt not steal (thus stealing from 1st national bank is part of that)chaining a child to a trees goes against honor your children. Treat others as you wish to be treated. Lets not forget that Rome fell from within when they started recognizing homosexuality kind of what is happening in the United States. As for buring the flag give to Ceasar’s what is Ceasar and give to God what is God’s. This is the only country where illegals have more rights then citizens. You know in Mexico a non Mexican CANNOT own any property. Most of our debt is from protecting people who hate our country. You can no longer salute the flag cause it might offend people from other countries,. You know what get the H*****of my country. LOok at the treaty with Iran every other middle eastern country we have tried this with they have failed the treaty and gotten nuclear weapons. They still want to kill us. They think we are a joke and this current president is a joke and a traitor to the United States. History will not be kind to the first and only African American president who destroys our country cause he loves Islam more than he loves our country,. Not his country OUR country

        • Blue
          4 August 2015 at 2:18 am
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          He said to follow the 10 commandments…

          Did Paul state such? Please read his letters unto the church 💡

      • Dennis
        12 August 2015 at 4:58 pm
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        Excellent points. Jesus did preach against sexual immorality which covers all such acts, including adultery, fornication, incest, homosexuality, etc. There are also numerous references throughout the NT as well.

    • carson
      2 August 2015 at 8:48 pm
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      not really. When the head of that org said they ‘sought to remain relevant’ to today’s world/generation is was a clairion call that compromise had set itself up under some guise that today’s hearts are somehow different then hearts/menkind in the past and that the word of God must somehow be relevant/different for today’s folks.

      men/the flesh nature/hearts are the same as ever, the word of God applies for all the ages, if the world doesn’t think it’s relevant it’s not because anything is different it’s just cover story for that they reject the word of God.

      also applies to the popular- ‘bridge building’ we hear today. Compromise/water down the word, twisting to fit the world/the flesh..the devil too.
      If I have the message as example that Jesus is the only way, and some reject that, in order to approach them again (build and cross a bridge) I must toss off that original message huh? Then I might be allowed to cross some bridge to them so they’ll give an ear..and so the popular message- there are many paths to the Father..and other twisted lie’s.

      horrible stuff going on today.

    • LL
      3 August 2015 at 1:00 pm
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      I for one am! I unfollowed them….these people should not be in leadership.
      So sad. So very sad that the leaders of that church are trying to please the people and not God.

    • Pastor Je Alyala
      3 August 2015 at 9:43 pm
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      AMEN!!! GOOD WORD PRAISE THE LORD1!

    • Gracy
      3 August 2015 at 11:08 pm
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      So true, the end is nearer than we anticipate. God is going to judge the so called Pastors for encouraging immorality and diverting this generation away from the Lord. God save this land!

    • Tammy Vinzant
      4 August 2015 at 11:13 am
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      Before we print everything we hear, we the Church need to start researching THE TRUTH!
      http://hillsong.com/media-releases/hillsong-church-statement-by-senior-pastor-brian-houston/
      Pastor Brian Houston
      August 2015
      I wish to correct reports that Hillsong church has “an openly gay couple directing a choir” at our New York City campus. Hillsong’s position on homosexuality and gay marriage has not changed and is consistent with Scripture. As I have stated previously, I believe the writings of Paul are clear on this subject. Several months ago when one of our choir directors made an unexpected public statement regarding his engagement to a man who sometimes sang in the choir, it was a complete surprise to us as well. It is my understanding that they have not been involved in an active leadership or ministry role since. That said, we still love them and acknowledge that they – like all of us – are on a journey, and our role as a church is to assist them on this journey with grace and compassion.

      • Janet Dickson
        5 August 2015 at 3:54 am
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        spot on. Hillsong has not promoted or supported homosexuality. This initial report was a half truth – it does not report how Hillsong leadership dealt with the situation. If this page is about truth, I hope that you will now correct your article. If you don’t amend your article with the full story, then you are peddling a deception.

    • Give me a break
      5 August 2015 at 3:12 am
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    • sky
      6 August 2015 at 1:55 pm
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      This is an excellent blog post.. From my experience the majority of pastors in the majority of churches are too willing to say ‘Do what you want with your life because Jesus loves you” and I’m sorry but as a 10 year old I had a better understanding of the Bible than that!

      The Bible is also clear that those in leadership will face harsher judgement than those not, so it’s even more imperative that they stand firm on scripture!

      What about Matthew 19 where Jesus clearly states that marriage is 1 man, 1 woman, as it was created in Genesis?
      And the Bible is clear that all sexual sin outside of this 1 man, 1 woman marriage is vile.

      “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.” Romans 1:26,27 (KJV)

  • Abigail Sanders
    2 August 2015 at 10:29 am
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    “.”

  • timothy sauder
    2 August 2015 at 10:39 am
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    As i have pointed out before Hillsong is just an outreach branch of the Assemblies of God of Australia now changed their name to something else. They are 1000 churches in Australia. I am not impressed with how low the Pentecostals have gone from the roots of the Holiness movement from which most of them come out of. I am Apostolic Mennonite and we do not believe like these people. Numbers are not something that shows God’s approval.

    • Susan
      2 August 2015 at 3:00 pm
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      Must not be really Pentecostal, because if it was Pentecostal they would not allow it. I really don’t believe HillSong is Pentecostal.

      • Cindy Tracy
        2 August 2015 at 8:31 pm
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        Agreed

      • Reddzone3
        2 August 2015 at 9:17 pm
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        Just cause they’re a certain denomination doesn’t mean anything! Sin doesn’t discriminate and is everywhere and in every church! We’re not to get all caught up in denominations cause Jesus didn’t! That’s how you’ll not only be disappointed but ultimately deceived! Jesus says He’s “coming back for a church without spot or wrinkle” His children are the church! I’m non denominational but grew up Pentecostal and witnessed a pastor openly apologized to the church for his adulterous affair so you can’t go my that! This article depicts a “Christian homosexuality??” Oxymoron!!! It’s like one of the seven churches in Rev. When John wrote and read seven letters from God for these churches to get their acts together and repent before His return!! This church reminds me of the church of Laodicea and sadly its soooo many of them that are out there!! I hope they do repent before its too late!!! Smh God have mercy!

        • Leeann
          2 August 2015 at 9:53 pm
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          Jesus says He’s “coming back for a church without spot or wrinkle” His children are the church!

          @ Reddzone3: That’s NOT how the scripture is worded. Please keep proper context 💡

          Eph 5:26-27 KJV – That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

          Note: The words ‘might’ and ‘should’ are NOT absolutes 😉

        • Heather
          3 August 2015 at 2:16 am
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          This mystery person posting under the name Leeann is really MRH. Is there a reason you are posting under the disguise as a woman MRH?

        • Dave Miner
          4 August 2015 at 12:11 am
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          RedZone, being a member of a denomination is not a sin, nor does it mean that you will ultimately be led away from the Bible and the God of the Bible. It is true that some denominations have strayed from the Truth. It is also true that some independent churches have strayed from the Truth. One needs to ALWAYS study what one’s church leaders teach and search the Scriptures to make sure what was taught is consistent with Scripture. All churches and groups of Believers are subject to the lies of Satan, not just denominational churches. And I must admit that I grew up in a very conservative denominational church but have been part of the leadership of several independent churches over the last 30 years.

    • Dean
      2 August 2015 at 7:33 pm
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      Please don’t put all Pentecostals in the same boat Timothy. I’m a Pentecostal through and through, and I am 110% against ALL SIN! We’re a branch as well from the Assemblies of God, but we preach the Full Gospel and will continue to preach & live it! And we have NO ties to Hillsong or anything else unscriptural! Not all Pentecostals are the same. Please use a little more wisdom next time before labelling us all the same. Thank you.

      • ah’
        2 August 2015 at 8:33 pm
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        AMEN!

        • ah’
          2 August 2015 at 8:57 pm
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          ah’ did not make this comment:

          “AMEN!”

      • Jesus was not a jew
        2 August 2015 at 9:03 pm
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        Charismatic churches have demons. I’ve visited before and felt their presence in the churches. Likewise with mega churches. None are safe havens 🙁

        • Dave Miner
          4 August 2015 at 12:14 am
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          JesusWasNotAJew, methinks that Charismatics are not the only ones with demons; methinks you have some problems yourself. And, no, I am not a Charismatic.

          • Blue
            4 August 2015 at 1:12 am
      • Reddzone3
        2 August 2015 at 9:20 pm
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        This article depicts a….”Christian homosexuality??” Oxymoron!!! It’s like one of the seven churches in Rev. When John wrote and read seven letters from God for these churches to get their acts together and repent before His return!! This church reminds me of the church of Laodicea and sadly its soooo many of them that are out there!! I hope they do repent before its too late!!! Smh God have mercy!

  • Lonnie
    2 August 2015 at 10:54 am
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    You are not a church of God, you are a Church of Satan. To allow openly gay people to dwell in the house of God is wrong and blasphemy to the word of the lord, you should be asking them to change their life style to the way the Lord God intended for them to live it. Gay isn’t the natural use for a man or woman.
    Romans 1:23-32King James Version (KJV)

    23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

    24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

    25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

    27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

    29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

    30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

    31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

    32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
    Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

    • John Payne
      2 August 2015 at 1:12 pm
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      AMEN! God will not be mocked!

    • SD
      2 August 2015 at 9:30 pm
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      Yeah how dare we allow people who struggle with sin to sit in our churches. We should encourage them to keep their sin private and ban them to the street where they belong.

      • Rick
        3 August 2015 at 11:33 am
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        Your sarcasm is out of place. Of course you struggle with sin, but if you know Jesus, and you love Jesus, you are helped to recover your struggle and cleansed by the blood of Jesus, to NOT continue in sin. Homosexuality IS sin. But i think that speaking to you is like throwing pearl to swine…

      • Dr. Kris Lord
        3 August 2015 at 1:51 pm
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        They are not struggling with sin. They are happily wallowing in it.

      • Dave Miner
        4 August 2015 at 12:20 am
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        SD, these people do not struggle with sin. They embrace sin. The difference is clear to all of us who know God. Further, and even more important, the issue here is not someone trying to deal with sin. The issue here is placing someone who openly embraces sin with no obvious repentance into a leadership position. That is a clear violation of Scripture, regardless of what the sin happens to be.

  • floare
    2 August 2015 at 11:00 am
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    ABOMINATION. This particular church is a FALSE CHURCH, run for your life from such a perverted gospel teaching. That is a SODOMY church promotion, one that God condemns.

  • char
    2 August 2015 at 11:11 am
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    Well, for sure when He calls us homeward, this church will still be packed. Then this pastor can brag that he has the largest church in NYC. One of these days God is finally going to have enough of this sinful world. I hope and pray it’s soon!

    Just another step closer to the Lords return! Amen!

  • Andrew
    2 August 2015 at 11:50 am
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    Wow.. thanks for this report.. i had seen them singing katy perry, beyonce, michael jackson and justin bieber at their 2015 conference in australia.. but this just seals the deal.. you have revealed their true colours.. thank you sir.

  • Captain Bob Edwards
    2 August 2015 at 11:54 am
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    God tells us to love all sinners but I wouldn’t want to be around false preachers that don’t preach the word of God to all.

  • NIXON MADEGWA
    2 August 2015 at 12:01 pm
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    Dont reffer to some group as churches please!

  • Tusitala
    2 August 2015 at 12:27 pm
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    I am so far away from all this, it is like a distant echo. I feel the same about television, magazines, the radio, it is evil, evil, and we should be separate and reaching out to those still willing to listen to any hint of the Truth. Dear Lord, what is this music, this apostasy, the abominations widening and multiplying, people falling into the deception of these end times, the vampire and zombie cults, the filth of the sexualization of children. Dear Jesus, keep us close to You, Holy Spirit, teach us the Truth, Father, we revere Your Son, we seek to be with You always.

  • ah’
    2 August 2015 at 12:57 pm
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    It’s my intention only to share historical fact.

    As you read keep in mind that for the first 300 years believers “congregated/assembled” IN THEIR HOMES.

    Mithra-worshipper Constantine OUTLAWED home assemblies and FORCED believers to a PUBLIC BUILDING that was a place of PAGAN WORSHIP … and was controlled by the State.

    Those who refused (true Christians) either ran or were killed!

    NOWHERE in the Bible are we told to go to “church”!

    We are told … “Not forsaking the ASSEMBLING of ourselves together…”

    This is in the context of HOME assemblies … NOT church’s!

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    A word about the word “church”:

    In many bible-versions, Matthew 16:18 is the FIRST passage that contains the word “church”.

    “Matthew 16:18 – “And I also say unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. ”

    Many people have been caused to THINK that Yahushua spoke about the formation of a religious organisation … a “church”.

    But, things are not always what they are commonly thought to be.

    History tells us what the word “church”, in actual fact, points to.

    The word “church” comes from an old Greek phrase which meant “the Lord’s house”.

    It is important to find out WHO used that Greek term, and especially … WHICH “lord” they used it as a reference to.

    The word “church” is NOT an accurate translation of the NT Greek noun ekklêsia.

    And that it is NOT connected to the saints or to New Testament times but refers to something altogether different… something that arose LATER when the saints were no longer on the scene.

    (“Saints” here, refers to those who received the Holy Spirit in the first century.)

    Some bible-translations do not use the word “church”.

    For instance Tyndale in his 1525 translation used it only twice, in both cases as a reference to BUILDINGS that were used for IDOL WORSHIP…

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    “Then Iupiters Preste which dwelt before their cite brought oxe and garlondes vnto the churche porche and wolde have done sacrifise with the people.” – Acts 14:13 – (TYN)

    “For ye have brought hyther these me[n] whiche are nether robbers of churches nor yet despisers of youre goddes.” – Acts 19:37 – (TYN)

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    Again, the above-quoted 1525 Tyndale translation uses the word “church” only in these two passages, both of which refer to IDOL TEMPLES.

    When it comes to the Greek word ekklêsia …he rendered it correctly as “congregation” (using the spelling congregacion).

    In the same way, a number of later translations do not contain the word “church” but render ekklêsia as “assembly” or “congregation”.

    The word “church” began to come into use in the English language in the Middle Ages… some time before the 12th century.

    The 1395 Wycliffe translation used the word “church” (chirche)… But, the 1525 Tyndale version did not use it.

    Tyndale translated ekklêsia PROPERLY … as “congregacion”.

    As was mentioned earlier, he used the word “church” (churche) – two times, in Acts 14:13 and 19:37 which both refer to buildings connected to idol-worship.

    The roots of the word “church” are as follows:

    It comes via the Middle English chirche …from the Old English cirice.

    It is said that cirice in its turn came from the first word in the old Greek phrase kuriakê oikia which meant “the Lord’s house”.

    So … the origin and evolution of the word “church” is as follows:

    Old Greek kuriakê [oikia] (“lord’s [house]”) → Old English cirice → Middle English chirche → “church”

    That might sound fine at first, but let us analyse the phrase kuriakê oikia in more depth, in order to see ‘WHAT’ and ‘WHOM’ it in actual FACT pointed to.

    Some writers have said that the Greek phrase kuriakê oikia “has been in consistent use since the 300s”.

    That could be, but then one must ask this question:

    The religious organisation that the Roman emperor Constantine de facto founded in the 300s, and of which the phrase kuriakê oikia then was used …

    WHICH kurios (“lord”) did it really serve?

    It is good to know that all the way to his death…Constantine REMAINED a servant of the lord Mithras (Mithra) the SUN-god!

    And … he FORCED people to worship Mithras.

    One of Constantine’s last acts was to uphold the rights of the priests of Mithras.

    And yes… in those days Mithras-worship was given a new “make-up” (catholic church)… so that people were caused to THINK that it was connected to Yahushua and the Bible.

    The point is … the phrase kuriakê oikia – “lord’s house” – which “has been in consistent use since the 300s”, actually refers to the house of the lord Mithras – Sol Mithras Deus Invictus.

    In other words:

    Mithras the sun-god is the lord (kurios, whence the phrase kuriakê oikia) whom emperor Constantine and his religious organisation (RCC) caused people to serve… under the pretence that it all was “Christianity”.

    And then… Mithras is just another name for the “sun-god” who was also known as Baal.

    Note: The word baal meant “lord”.

    Those who know a bit more about the true meaning of certain religious symbols, can find and recognize MANY Mithras-related symbols in an average “house of the lord” – (house of Baal) – that has been built during the past few centuries…

    There’s a 501(c)3 STATE CONTROLLED … SUNday worshiping… Christmas… Easter… St. Valentines Day… Halloween… “CHURCH” on about every corner these days!

    STATE CONTROLLED – Just like the Baal/Mithra “church’s” in Rome were!

    501(c)3 – State controlled “church’s CAN’T SPEAK AGAINST HOMOSEXUALITY!

    ANY 501(c)3 (tax exempt) “church” is obedient to the State (Rome) – NOT THE WORD OF GOD!

    “Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?” – Romans 6:16

    Nothing has changed – ALL roads still lead to Rome.

    Expect more of this homosexual stuff from “church’s”!

    So … the lord (kurios) who is connected to the (Catholic) phrase kuriakê oikia – which is the ORIGIN of the word “church” … is the lord Mithras !

    And he is not Yahushua Ha Mashiach.

    Home assemblies … that’s what you want!

    • Shari
      2 August 2015 at 2:46 pm
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      Thank you for that historical exposé’. I truly enjoyed reading it and learning a few things I had not heard before.

    • Jean-Louis
      2 August 2015 at 3:09 pm
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      Thank you for this through historical exposé.

    • Jesus was not a jew
      2 August 2015 at 5:05 pm
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      What about the 7 churches in Asia? They weren’t homes, and many are ruins.

      • ah’
        2 August 2015 at 5:24 pm
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        Since I wasn’t there (not trying to be funny), I can only speculate;

        – If the ruins was not a home, then it was a meeting place for them, and that would serve the same purpose as a home.

        – If they were TRUE Christians “assembling” then I am convinced that the “ruins” are not the remains of a State-controlled building of false-god worship.

        • ah’
          2 August 2015 at 9:08 pm
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          As I recall, there were no state controlled churches in bible times?

          • MRH
            2 August 2015 at 10:12 pm

            History recalls differently than you.

    • Mark
      3 August 2015 at 3:04 am
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      I find it interesting that you attack the Catholic Church in order to dismiss the practice of meeting at a church for all Christians. You have make no real arguments as to why meeting at a church is bad other then the fact that Catholics did it first, and they did so even before Constantine. And, you gave no reasons why meeting at home is better. Won’t meeting at home only further divide protestant Christians and ensure that every individual is their own pope? Doesn’t it make every individual an authority on interpreting scripture, morals, and faith? Wait, isn’t this how Protestantism got into this mess of division and confusion in the first place?

      During the first 300 years Christians often assembled in their homes out of necessity. Christians assembled on Sunday wherever they could safely meet. There were likely few Churches before Constantine because Christians were forced to worship underground and were killed if caught. There were, however, churches built before Constantine. For example, the Megiddo church in Tel Megiddo was built in third century, when Christians were still persecuted by the Roman Empire. It contains a large mosaic with a Greek inscription stating that the church is consecrated to “the God Jesus Christ.” So no, Constantine did not create a public place of worship and force Christians to worship there. Catholics began meeting at Churches because it is practical. But, a Church is not required in order to assemble and break bread, i.e., have a Sunday Mass. Constantine did outlaw home assemblies, but only for pagans. He did this because that is where they did their sacrifices and this greatly disrupted their ability to practice their beliefs, which was his goal.

      Here are examples of Catholics worshiping on Sunday long before Constantine was emperor. And notice the requirement to congregate at someone’s home is not mentioned either.

      ~62 A.D. – St. Luke – “On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight.” (Acts 20:7)

      ~107 A.D. – St. Ignatius of Antioch – “…no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death.” (Epistle to the Magnesians Chapter 9)

      155 A.D. – St. Justin Martyr – “But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead.” (First Apology Chapter 67)

      225 A.D. – The Didascalia – “The apostles further appointed: On the first day of the week let there be service, and the reading of the holy scriptures, and the oblation, because on the first day of the week our Lord rose from the place of the dead.” (Didascalia Chapter 2)

      The fact that you use Tyndale’s bible translation as a source is troubling. “In 1525 he(Tyndale) produced a translation of the New Testament that was swarming with textual corruption. He willfully mistranslated entire passages of sacred Scripture in order to condemn orthodox Catholic doctrine and support the new Lutheran ideas. The bishop of London claimed that he could count over 2,000 errors in the volume (and this was just the New Testament).

      And we must remember that this was not merely a translation of Scripture. His text included a prologue and notes that were so full of contempt for the Catholic Church and the clergy that no one could mistake his obvious agenda and prejudice. Did the Catholic Church condemn this version of the Bible? Of course it did.

      The secular authorities condemned it as well. Anglicans are among the many today who laud Tyndale as the “father of the English Bible.” But it was their own founder, King Henry VIII, who in 1531 declared that, “the translation of the Scripture corrupted by William Tyndale should be utterly expelled, rejected, and put away out of the hands of the people.”

      So troublesome did Tyndale’s Bible prove to be that in 1543 — after his break with Rome — Henry VIII again decreed that “all manner of books of the Old and New Testament in English, being of the crafty, false, and untrue translation of Tyndale . . . shall be clearly and utterly abolished, extinguished, and forbidden to be kept or used in this realm.” –

      Wycliffe was another infamous translator that produced a translation of the Bible that was corrupt and full of heresy.

      It is true that Constantine entertained both Christian and pagan beliefs throughout his life. It is thought that much of this was to promote the political stability of the roman empire. He did try to merge all religions to Christianity because he wanted to have one religion in his empire to make it easier to control. However, this was unsuccessful and he did not change the beliefs or practices of the Church. The Catholic Church was the only

      It is true that during his life Constantine believed in the sun god mithras, but he would have had to discontinue this belief to become a christian. He did not convert to Christianity until he was on his death bed.

      During his reign Constantine continually sanctioned pegan practices while promoting Christianity. He did not force Christians to worship in churches and he did not create the Catholic Church. He freed the Church from persecution and was generous to the Church.

      501(c)3 is the prohibition against participating or intervening in a political campaign and applies only to elections for public office. It does not apply to attempts to influence legislation or mean that churches can’t speak against homosexuality.

      • ah’
        3 August 2015 at 9:47 am
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        “Here are examples of Catholics worshiping on Sunday long before Constantine was emperor.”

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        And here’s why –

        “The doctrines of the Catholic Church are entirely independent of Holy Scripture.”

        – Familiar Explanation of Catholic Doctrine, Rev. M. Muller, p.151.

        “The Scriptures indeed is a divine book but it is a DEAD LETTER, which has to be explained, and cannot exercise the action which the preacher can obtain.”

        -Our Priesthood, p. 155

        “…A DEAD and SPEECHLESS book.”

        -Question Box, p. 67

        “The simple fact is that the Bible, like all DEAD LETTERS, calls for a living interpreter.”

        -The Faith of Millions, p. 155

        “The Bible was not intended to be a textbook of Christian religion.”

        -Catholic Facts, p. 50

        “The authority of the church could therefore not be bound to the authority of the Scriptures, because the Church had changed…the Sabbath into Sunday, NOT BY COMMAND OF CHRIST, but by its OWN AUTHORITY.”

        -Canon and Tradition, p. 263

        • Jeff
          3 August 2015 at 4:23 pm
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          “The authority of the church could therefore not be bound to the authority of the Scriptures, because the Church had changed…the Sabbath into Sunday, NOT BY COMMAND OF CHRIST, but by its OWN AUTHORITY.”

          The Church is deluded, as we are no longer bound under the law 😀

          Col 2:13-17 KJV – And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

          P.S. As for the days of the week, they are all named after deities 😉

          • ah’
            3 August 2015 at 5:19 pm

            There are four different groups of “law” in the Bible.

            Which ones are we not under?

            All of them?

          • ah’
            3 August 2015 at 5:36 pm

            You do understand that the statement:

            ““The authority of the church could therefore not be bound to the authority of the Scriptures, because the Church had changed…the Sabbath into Sunday, NOT BY COMMAND OF CHRIST, but by its OWN AUTHORITY.”

            -Canon and Tradition, p. 263”

            was made by the catholic church, don’t you?

          • ah’
            3 August 2015 at 5:47 pm

            Here – educate yourself on the real meaning of your hi-lited verse – It helps to read the whole chapter – The verse you hi-lited is NOT a stand-alone verse.

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            YHVH’s APPOINTED TIMES.

            These are HIS APPOINTMENTS !

            And the Almighty KEEPS His appointments.

            I’ll touch on it briefly…

            The three Holy Days of YHVH are : Passover…Pentecost …Day of Atonement.

            Associated with these Holy days are seven feasts…and .. “‘These are the feasts OF the Lord,” (Lev. 23) …NOT of man and NOT of Israel.

            EACH feast is prophetic in nature … And in Col. 2:17 Paul states exactly that …”a shadow of things to come”.

            The first Passover meal was “a shadow of things to come” … The Savior dying on the cross fulfilled that prophetic feast.

            The first four feasts have already been fulfilled … in SPECTACULAR fashion too, I might add!

            Passover … Feast of Unleavened Bread … Feast of Firstfruits … Feast of Pentecost.

            Three remain to be fulfilled and certainly will be at a future date.

            The remaining three are:

            Feast of Trumpets … Day of Atonement …Feast of Tabernacles.

            Fulfilled feasts > > > WE ARE HERE < < < < Unfulfilled feasts.

            "These feasts are key waypoints on a roadmap in holy history. They tell the story of the main Covenant events between God and His Elect people as they occur here on the earth and down through time.

            It is a long and epic saga, with a beginning and a conclusion. The story begins back with the people God called out to Himself in Old Testament times. And it EXTENDS RIGHT THROUGH to the Apocalyptic events John saw in vision and wrote about in the Book of Revelation."

            I personally believe that these APPOINTED TIMES are just as relevant for us today as the first Passover was for the Hebrews in Egypt.

            ——————————————————–

            The apostle Paul wrote to the Colossian Christians, a gentile congregation: "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come …" (Colossians:2:16-17

            , King James Version).

            This passage, probably more than any other in the Bible, is interpreted by those who reject God's festivals as confirmation that the biblical feast days are unnecessary observances. Regrettably, such reasoning is based on poor scholarship and misleading translations from the original wording of Paul's instructions.

            From the context we see that Paul, in this passage, is countering a local heresy. In doing so he actually confirms and explains the value of God's days to Christians. He explains that they foreshadow "things to come."

            In other words, the focus of God's festivals is on the future, relating God's plan directly to the commission Christ gave His Church. So let's examine what Paul actually says about Sabbaths, new moons and "holydays" in this verse.

            First we need to understand that Paul was confronting a heresy. False teachers had infiltrated the congregation in Colosse. These deceivers had influenced the Colossian Christians by introducing their own religious philosophy. This prompted Paul to warn the Colossians, "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit according to the tradition of men" (Colossians:2:8). Humanly devised tradition—not the revealed instructions of God's Word in the Bible—was the problem Paul was countering. Earlier Jesus had taken the Pharisees to task over the same kind of problem. They also had elevated their traditions to greater importance than God's commandments (Mark:7:8-9, 13).

            Paul tried to keep the Colossians focused on Christ as the head of the Church (Colossians:1:18; 2:10, 19). But these false teachers were trying to persuade them to direct their worship toward angels (Colossians:2:18) and neglect their own bodies (verse 23). No such distorted ideas are taught anywhere in the Scriptures.

            Paul characterized the Colossian heresy as "empty deceit" and "the basic principles of the world" (verse 8). The deceivers were persuading the Colossians to ignore plain biblical instruction in favor of "traditions of men."

            What type of deceitful regulations did Paul combat? "Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle … according to the commandments and doctrines of men" (verses 21-22). The heretics advocated man-made regulations concerning physical things that "perish with the using" (verse 22).

            Why is this important? The deceivers were probably forerunners of a major religious movement, gnosticism, that flourished in the second century. They did not represent the mainstream Jewish thinking of that day, nor were they faithful to the Scriptures.

            They believed salvation could be obtained through constant contemplation of what is "spiritual"—to, as Paul explained, the "neglect" of the physical body (verse 23). It appears they believed in various orders of angels and in direct human interaction with angels.

            Paul indicates they regarded all physical things, including the human body, as decadent. He explicitly states that the heresies he was countering "concern things which perish with the using [physical things] according to the commandments and doctrines of men" (verse 22). Paul tells us he was countering human commandments and doctrines—not the commandments of God.

            The Colossian heretics had introduced various man-made prohibitions—such as "Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle" (verse 21)—against the enjoyment of physical things. They especially objected to the pleasurable aspects of God's festivals—the eating and drinking aspects—that are commanded in the Scriptures (Deuteronomy:12:17-18).

            When Paul wrote, "… Let no one judge you in food . . ." (verse 16), he wasn't discussing what types of foods they should or should not eat. The Greek word brosis, translated "food," refers not to the kinds of foods one should or should not eat, but to "the act of eating" (Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, 1985, "Food"). The point is that the deceivers disdained feasting—any type of eating and drinking for enjoyment.

            Paul instructed the Colossian Christians not to be influenced by these false teachers' objections to eating, drinking and rejoicing on Sabbaths, feast days and new moons.

            Perhaps we should, at this point, mention the relationship between new moons and God's festivals. The dates for observing God's festivals are determined by a lunar calendar. Therefore new moons—which mark the beginning of the months—are important for establishing correct festival dates. Unlike God's Holy Days, however, new moons are not commanded observances in the Scriptures. In the Millennium the custom of making the arrival of each new moon a special occasion will again be restored (Isaiah:66:23), but no biblical command exists now that requires their observance.

            Now back to Paul's main point: The Colossian deceivers had no authority to judge or determine how the Colossians were to observe God's festivals. That is why Paul said, "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days …" (verses 16-17, King James Version).

            Notice that Paul tells them to reject false human judgment, not the judgment of God found in the Scriptures.

            At this point we should note another grammatical matter. The words "respect of" are translated from the Greek noun meros, which denotes a part of something. Therefore a more accurate rendering of what Paul wrote would be "Let no man therefore judge you … in any part of a holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days …"

            Paul is simply being consistent. Eating or drinking is an appropriate part of Sabbath and feast-day observance according to the Scriptures. Therefore Paul uses meros ("part") to cover all parts or aspects of God's Holy Days that these heretics might condemn or criticize. Nothing in this passage even suggests that God abolished His Sabbaths or Holy Days, nor authorized Paul to do so. Succumbing to the judgmental influence of those early gnostic heretics is what Paul condemns, not the observance of Sabbaths and feast days.

            God's festivals are times for joy and celebration. He commands us to attend them and rejoice with our children—our entire family (Deuteronomy:12:5, 7; 14:26). He wants us to delight in them. No wonder Paul condemns the misguided ascetic philosophy of the Colossian heretics with such vigor. Paul was defending the Christians' right to enjoy feasting at God's holy festivals.

          • Scott
            3 August 2015 at 5:53 pm

            There are four different groups of “law” in the Bible.

            Which ones are we not under?

            All of them?

            Rom 10:4, 9, 13 KJV – For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. … That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. … For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

            You do understand that the statement:

            ““The authority of the church could therefore not be bound to the authority of the Scriptures, because the Church had changed…the Sabbath into Sunday, NOT BY COMMAND OF CHRIST, but by its OWN AUTHORITY.”

            -Canon and Tradition, p. 263″

            was made by the catholic church, don’t you?

            Yes, as why Church was capitalized 😉

          • ah’
            3 August 2015 at 7:49 pm

            All LAW IS DONE AWAY WITH?

            Really …???

            So, it’s ok to murder, steal, etc.?

            ~~~

            You’re definitely a moron, and have proven that your depth of the knowledge of the Bible is primary, at best.

            And I’m being kind when I say that.

            And …

            “For Christ is the END OF the law…” does not, OBVIOUSLY, mean what it appears to mean on the surface.

            Spare me your “only what I’ve been told” Jesuit BS.

            By the way – I know who is really posting .

          • laura
            15 August 2015 at 1:50 am

            We are under the commandments of God at all times. God has commanded all men everywhere to repent (and believe the gospel and be saved).

            Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

            We are under the command authority of God. If we are to abide in the love of God… we must keep the commandments of Jesus. Jesus commanded us to love one another. Love works no harm to it’s neighbor. Perfect love casts out fear. Whatever is not of faith is of sin. Jesus commanded us to be perfect even as the Father is perfect.

            Jesus commanded us to live perfect lives and be perfect. Grace is the power of God to do so by the Spirit of God which has crucified the flesh and birthed us of the Spirit. Grace is not a license for sin.

            By the grace of God, we are what we are in Christ and we are the righteousness of God and the true holiness of God in Christ. We are called to live in that newness of life not by the power of a carnal commandment of the old testament law but the newness of the Spirit in the newness of life in the new covenant in which we are called to perfection in Christ… and made perfect in Him in spirit and in truth. We are called of God to the commandments that give life… and we are all under the commandment of Jesus Christ in His command authority as God.

            All men everywhere are commanded by God to repent and believe the gospel and to be made disciples of Jesus Christ.

            Of course we are once saved always saved when truly saved. That is of no question biblically. But, now, it is time to follow Jesus since we have believed and to do what He says.

            We know the love of God in salvation… we are to abide in the love of God.

            This is the commandment of the Lord Jesus Christ that we keep His commandments and abide in His love.

            John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.

            John 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. 21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

            The Roman Catholic Church is a false pagan church which does not know the Lord Jesus Christ nor His love and which rejects the commandment to repent to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved instead practicing pagan rituals.

        • Blue
          4 August 2015 at 12:49 am
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          Here – educate yourself on the real meaning of your hi-lited verse – It helps to read the whole chapter – The verse you hi-lited is NOT a stand-alone verse.

          @ ah’: Consider below explain regarding the law issue 😉

          Col 2:14 KJV – Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

          Eph 2:15 KJV – Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

          Lexicon :: Strong’s G1378 – dogma (dogma) = doctrine, decree, ordinance – the rules and requirements of the law of Moses;
          carrying a suggestion of severity and of threatened judgment

          Lexicon :: Strong’s G1785 – entolē (commandments) = an order, command, charge, precept, injunction – ethically used of the commandments in the Mosaic law or Jewish tradition

          FYI The Mosaic law is the complete law including the first 10 commandments and ceremonial laws (613 total laws).

          As for the Feasts, that’s a whole other topic discussion, of which there is much speculation I’m afraid. But according to things, we are living in the trumpet days, and seemingly in the 6th trumpet war period. That explains the ravages of ISIS and now Iran enters the picture. It is said that Islam can amass 200,000 troops. The 6th trumpet is also the 2nd woe period, which ends with the tribulation. Consider below speculation 😉

          Rev 9:12-21 KJV – One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter. And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates [Iraq area?]. And the four angels [the only 4 nations surrounding Israel; Iraq, Iran, Syria, Jordan?] were loosed [given ‘green’ light for war!], which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year [Shemitah; 9/15/2015?], for to slay the third part of men [in Mideast region]. And the number of the army of the horsemen [soldiers] were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them [200,000 troops]. And thus I saw the horses [tanks?] in the vision, and them that sat on them [or rather in them?], having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone [country colors?]: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone [tanks belching fire and smoke?]. By these three was the third part of men killed [in that war zone only], by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths [guns]. For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails [guns; front, rear]: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt. And the rest of the men [rest of the wicked world] which were not killed by these plagues [conventional war effect?] yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood [demons and idols are everywhere nowadays?]: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: Neither repented they of their murders [wars, disasters], nor of their sorceries [occult and magic stuff], nor of their fornication [corruptions; government, economy, religion, media, etc], nor of their thefts [scoundrels; politicians, bankers, churches, etc?].

          P.S. You may or may not agree with my above speculation inserts, but not all my interpretation. ppsimmons (YouTube) and other prophecy web sources were my starter points, but seems quite logical possibility? Not some silly fairy tale type story. Prophecy is often symbolic unto reality 😉

          Whatever the case be, we shall soon see, as per recent Mideast developments. Plus the coming pope visitation. Will be interesting in both aspects 😉

          • ah’
            4 August 2015 at 3:57 pm

            MRH – (Blue, etc.)

            You stated that God had done away with “all law”.

            ~~~

            If that’s true then why did Paul say –

            “Do we then make void the law of God through faith, GOD FORBID, yea, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.”

            When Paul is all through – he comes to the conclusion that THE LAW IS ESTABLISHED – and NOT done away!

            ~~~

            Yahushua Himself said in Matthew 5:17 –

            “Think not that I’m come to destroy the law … I AM NOT COME TO DESTROY … for until heaven and earth pass, not one jot or one tittle (not the crossing of a t or the dotting of an i) shall pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”

            Heaven and earth are STILL very much with us.

            Yahushua said as long as they last – THE LAW REMAINS.

            I hear some people quote that text in a strange way – They say Christ told us He came not to destroy the law and the prophets, but to fulfill, and they say “to fulfill” means – “to bring an end to” – “to do away with”.

            If this interpretation is true, notice how ABSURD it makes the statement of Yahushua to quote it with that meaning –

            “Think not that I am come to destroy the law and the prophets, I am not come to destroy the law and the prophets, I am not come to destroy but to do away with.”

            I wouldn’t try to put such impossible contradiction into the mouth of Yahushua!

            ~~~

            In Matthew 3:15 Yahushua (to John the Baptist) said that they must fulfill all righteousness.

            I wonder if we are to think that they brought “an end to” – or – “did away with” – all righteousness!

            To fulfill righteousness means to LIVE OUT that righteousness – Not to do away with it.

            Yahushua came to live out the righteousness of God’s law – not to bring an end to it.

            ~~~

            What about this verse that you FOOLISHLY offered as a rebuttal to my question about law?

            “Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;” – Eph 2:15

            First of all – in Ephesians 2 we read about “commandments and ordinances” which were separating a wall between Jews and Gentiles. Such as the ordinance of circumcision. There were some commandments that have to do with ordinances, with ceremony. Colossians 2 tells us about ordinances or decrees which were a shadow of things to come, a symbol of Christ. There were commandments that had to do with types and shadows of Jesus. Those things that illustrated His atonement, etc. There were commandments that told them to bring a lamb and shed it’s blood and sprinkle it on the altar. There were commandments that had to do with the priests in the sanctuary of Old Testament times. Many of these ordinances of the Old Testament were given to God’s people until Christ should come. He was the reality to which the type pointed. When Christ died on the cross as the true sacrifice, all the symbol sacrifices of lambs and etc. came to their end. They had met the object to which they pointed.

            No longer were these commandments THAT WERE CONTAINED IN THE ORDINANCES were to be followed.

            So – the Apostle tells us that the COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES – the bloody sacrifices came to an end when Yahushua died on the cross.

            ~~~

            Like I told you – There are different types of “law” in the Bible – some are no longer valid .

            ~~~

            “The law was nailed to the cross, done away with,” —

            Yes – Certain ones.

            ~~~

            “I’m not under the law but under grace,” —

            Yes – but certain “law” is ESTABLISHED – like Paul states in Rom.3:31 above…

            And will REMAIN until heaven and earth pass away – like Yahushua states in Matt.5:18 above.

            ~~~

            And it is because the UNLEARNED – like you MRH – that MISAPPLY Bible statements about these different kinds of laws that cause people to become confused – and stay confused.

          • ah’
            4 August 2015 at 5:57 pm

            MRH – (Blue, etc.)

            You wrote that “all law” was done away with – and you also wrote in the same spirit:

            “FYI The Mosaic law is the complete law including the first 10 commandments and ceremonial laws (613 total laws).”

            ~~~

            According to the Word- The sin of homosexuality is part of the Mosaic law!

            ~~~

            Is homosexual relations STILL a sin?

            Has it been done away with?

            (According to you – yes).

            ~~~

            Do homosexuals inherit the Kingdom of God?

            1 Cor. 6:9 says NOT!

            ~~~

            Is Yahushua a liar?

            Of course not!

            ~~~

            Your belief that “all law” has been done away with puts you in opposition of Yahushua and His Word!

            MRH – You are anti-Christ!

          • Allen Somerford
            5 August 2015 at 6:56 pm

            The three rules of Bible study are context, context, and context.
            When Jesus said “It is finished”, it was in context of His finished work during His first advent.
            He still has more work to do and He will accomplish that work when He returns, as prophesied.
            When He returns, He will then fulfill all the law, and at some point after that He will create a new heaven and earth.
            This is why when He said, “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”

            ‘Till heaven and earth pass’ is a time indicator, that tells us when all law will be fulfilled.

            All law will not be fulfilled ‘Till heaven and earth pass’.

            If Jesus had fulfilled all law on the cross, then Paul’s statement “Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law” would be counter to the truth if Jesus had indeed fulfilled all law on the cross because Paul’s statement came after Jesus’ crucifixion.

      • ah’
        3 August 2015 at 3:31 pm
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        Pope Francis calls Mahmoud Abbas “angel of peace” –

        “Francis made the compliment during the traditional exchange of gifts at the end of an official audience in the Apostolic Palace. He presented Abbas with a medallion and explained that it represented the angel of peace “destroying the bad spirit of war.” Francis said he thought the gift was appropriate since “you are an angel of peace.”

        – This man, Mahmoud Abbas is by no means an “angel of peace.”

        But then this is par for the course for Rome and all those associated with them. Do you recall when Vatican controlled US President George W. Bush (who declared the Pope a “god” on camera) stated that “Islam is a religion of peace” back in September of 2001? Since that statement we have seen well over three million Christians tortured and killed by devout Islamic Muslims. (200,000+ per year) But Bush had to make that statement so as to assure Rome’s “Chrislam” agenda with Islam would move ahead in all the churches as well as all government schools. Seeing how they all bow to the powers that be as per their signed 501c3 documents, they must echo whatever the Pope echoes as his office is the one running things in D.C.

      • ah’
        3 August 2015 at 4:02 pm
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        Pope places Cardinal that protects molesters as protector of minors?!

        http://www.vaticandailynews.com/link.php?url=—-://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&ct2=us&usg=AFQjCNHhXhurJWoXL8dJPVERTIH9mwbhhA&clid=c3a7d30bb8a4878e06b80cf16b898331&cid=52778808694570&ei=QwszVZCDGe_Y8gH77YDYDg&url=—-://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2015/04/cardinal_omalley_at_vatican_raises_issue_of_bishop_accountability_in_reporting_sexual_abuse_though_chilean_bishop_remains.html

        “Cardinal Sean P. O’Malley of Boston has reportedly made known to Pope Francis, in the guise of bishop accountability, the concerns of members of the Vatican’s Pontifical Commission for the Protection of Minors over the pope’s appointment of a Chilean bishop who has been accused of covering up abuse.”

        Absolutely every generation since the church of Rome started to gather as a church, people that have followed and even trusted these awful child molesters have had to deal with this insanity. In fact, on the Vatican server itself they have documented information in the Didache documents that since 60 AD the then infant Roman Catholic church had a problem with homosexuality which we all know eventually merges towards child molestation simply because once the “thrill” subsides in their present perversion, they naturally seek to try something even more perverse to regain their old thrill they once felt.

        98% of the Roman Catholic priests in the Vatican are in fact homosexuals. There are literally hundreds of articles confirming these men are in fact homosexual as well child molesters. Not to mention of course the hundreds of thousands of articles worldwide.

        http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jul/24/catholic-church-gay-priests-exposed

        https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=child+molesting+priests

        The Pope of each generation is by no means honest when he says he will do all he can to stop the child rapists that bow to him as a god on earth. The fact the popes have been saying that since 60AD should make any honest Catholic take note that their historic and modern day modus operandi is in fact to lie. And for those Roman Catholics reading this, you know for a fact he is lying here now. You have no excuse and YOU WILL answer for this if when Jesus returns He finds you still in this church.

      • Sola Scriptura
        3 August 2015 at 5:04 pm
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    • Heather
      3 August 2015 at 3:08 am
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      I find it interesting that you attack the Catholic Church in order to dismiss the practice of meeting at a church for all Christians. You have make no real arguments as to why meeting at a church is bad other then the fact that Catholics did it first, and they did so even before Constantine. And, you gave no reasons why meeting at home is better. Won’t meeting at home only further divide protestant Christians and ensure that every individual is there own pope? Doesn’t it make every individual an authority on interpreting scripture, morals, and faith. Wait, isn’t this how Protestantism got into this mess of division and confusion in the first place?

      During the first 300 years Christians often assembled in their homes out of necessity. Christians assembled on Sunday wherever they could safely meet. There were likely few Churches before Constantine because Christians were forced to worship underground and were killed if caught. There were, however, churches built before Constantine. For example, the Megiddo church in Tel Megiddo was built in third century, when Christians were still persecuted by the Roman Empire. It contains a large mosaic with a Greek inscription stating that the church is consecrated to “the God Jesus Christ.” So no, Constantine did not create a public place of worship and force Christians to worship there. Catholics began meeting at Churches because it is practical. But, a Church is not required in order to assemble and break bread, i.e., have a Sunday Mass. Constantine did outlaw home assemblies, but only for pagans. He did this because that is where they did their sacrifices and this greatly disrupted their ability to practice their beliefs, which was his goal.

      Here are examples of Catholics worshiping on Sunday long before Constantine was emperor. And notice the requirement to congregate at someones home is not mentioned either.

      ~62 A.D. – St. Luke – “On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight.” (Acts 20:7)

      ~107 A.D. – St. Ignatius of Antioch – “…no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death.” (Epistle to the Magnesians Chapter 9)

      155 A.D. – St. Justin Martyr – “But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead.” (First Apology Chapter 67)

      225 A.D. – The Didascalia – “The apostles further appointed: On the first day of the week let there be service, and the reading of the holy scriptures, and the oblation, because on the first day of the week our Lord rose from the place of the dead.” (Didascalia Chapter 2)

      The fact that you use Tyndale’s bible translation as a source is troubling. “In 1525 he(Tyndale) produced a translation of the New Testament that was swarming with textual corruption. He willfully mistranslated entire passages of sacred Scripture in order to condemn orthodox Catholic doctrine and support the new Lutheran ideas. The bishop of London claimed that he could count over 2,000 errors in the volume (and this was just the New Testament).

      And we must remember that this was not merely a translation of Scripture. His text included a prologue and notes that were so full of contempt for the Catholic Church and the clergy that no one could mistake his obvious agenda and prejudice. Did the Catholic Church condemn this version of the Bible? Of course it did.

      The secular authorities condemned it as well. Anglicans are among the many today who laud Tyndale as the “father of the English Bible.” But it was their own founder, King Henry VIII, who in 1531 declared that, “the translation of the Scripture corrupted by William Tyndale should be utterly expelled, rejected, and put away out of the hands of the people.”

      So troublesome did Tyndale’s Bible prove to be that in 1543 — after his break with Rome — Henry VIII again decreed that “all manner of books of the Old and New Testament in English, being of the crafty, false, and untrue translation of Tyndale . . . shall be clearly and utterly abolished, extinguished, and forbidden to be kept or used in this realm.” –

      Wycliff was another infamous translator that produced a translation of the Bible that was corrupt and full of heresy.

      It is true that Constantine entertained both Christian and pagan beliefs throughout his life. It is thought that much of this was to promote the political stability of the roman empire. He did try to merge all religions to Christianity because he wanted to have one religion in his empire to make it easier to control. However, this was unsuccessful and he did not change the beliefs or practices of the Church. The Catholic Church was the only

      It is true that during his life he believed in the sun god mithras, but it is likely he discontinued this belief by the time he became a christian. He did not convert to Christianity until he was on his death bed.

      During his reign Constantine continually sanctioned pegan practices while promoting Christianity. He did not force Christians to worship in churches and he did not create the Catholic Church. He freed the Church from persecution and was generous to the Church.

      501(c)3 is the prohibition against participating or intervening in a political campaign and applies only to elections for public office. It does not apply to attempts to influence legislation or mean that churches can’t speak against homosexuality.

      • Heather
        3 August 2015 at 10:57 am
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        Mark, please use your own name when defending the false paganistic doctrines of the Catholic Church and not mine!

        • Scott
          3 August 2015 at 4:39 pm
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          Heather: Wrong assumption, NOT my comment above.

          MRH

    • Marcus
      4 August 2015 at 1:37 am
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      “Home assemblies … that’s what you want!” – very much so. It is coming – a return to the Biblically established model of assembly, discipleship, and ministry.

      This very thing has been coming up a lot recently for me as I spend time in prayer.

  • Larry / vietnamvet1971
    2 August 2015 at 1:32 pm
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    The Sodomites do NOT want to hear the only love message we can tell them that is: REPENT / TURN from your Immoral Sexual LUST or BURN. But we know they have been given over to a Reprobate Mind Seared with Evil & Wickedness and once GOD does that it looks like he has washed his hands so to speak of persons that have been given over. Just an opinion based on GODS Word.

    • Geoff
      11 August 2015 at 3:22 am
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      Jesus preached –:The kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe the good news. Mark 1:15. Peter told the Jews who were convicted through his preaching on the Day of Pentecost: “Repent and be baptised every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ or the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the holy Spirit.” Acts 2:38. See also Rom.2:4; 2 Cor.7:10; 2Pet.3:9. Matt.7:21. Repentance and submission to the Lordship of Christ is NOT salvation by works but the response of genuine faith. Repentance and faith are like the two sides of the one coin.”You cain’t have one without the other.”

  • Tusitala
    2 August 2015 at 1:52 pm
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    this is definitely not true. stop mixing up interviews, statements and stuff together to put in a wrong direction. where is the unity,please? sad that nowadays we have to criticize everything just because its wrong in ypur eyes

    • Roadie
      2 August 2015 at 2:17 pm
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      Could you please provide links to credible info that would refute this? I’m hoping that it is indeed a false report

      • Tusitala
        2 August 2015 at 2:26 pm
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        I did NOT make this comment about mixing up interviews.

        • Larry / vietnamvet1971
          2 August 2015 at 4:49 pm
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          I knew it was not you commenting, ONLY COWARDS hiding behind your name trying to cause Confusion for their Daddy SATAN his little workers / Minions of Evil.

  • Walter Mintz
    2 August 2015 at 1:56 pm
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    Even amongst professing Christians, we’re now in the minority. The Great Falling Away.

  • Subeta
    2 August 2015 at 2:20 pm
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    Well done Hillsong NYC because it is all about being inclusive and not exclusive…. How are judgemental Christians going to win the lost of this world if all they do is criticise those that are actually making a difference…… I say let the Holy Spirt transform those he needs to in his own time and let those who want to act like Pharisees’ of today… Just stay there is their judgmentalism…. Rather someone does something instead of just thinking inwardly about themselves… Who are we Gentiles grafted into the true vine to start saying who can and cannot be a child of God… Let God be God and let him do his job and us who are blessed to belong to him start loving out neighbours as we love ourselves. Less hypocritical behaviour and more inclusiveness so people actually feel they to are worthy to belong to God. Don’t forget you are saved by grace…. What did you do to deserve your salvation??? Carl is doing something you ain’t stop being a hater…!!!!

    • Mark Gabrielson
      2 August 2015 at 4:52 pm
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      1 Corintians 5
      1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father’s wife.
      2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.

      3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
      4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
      5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

      6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
      7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

      • chrystal
        3 August 2015 at 1:34 am
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        I totally agree with sabeta , I was taught that I am a beautiful child of god, I pray and know that im a chld of god but dislike people who are hypocritical and are thinking that just because of someone’s orientation they need to change, that god don’t love or accept them totally nonsense.

        • A O
          3 August 2015 at 1:09 pm
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          Many members of the congregation at the churches of Pergamum and Thyatira believed that they were beautiful children of god, but Jesus had news for them. Read Revelations chapters 2-4.

    • Mark Gabrielson
      2 August 2015 at 4:54 pm
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      2 Corinthians 6
      14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
      15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

      16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

      17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

      18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

    • Mark Gabrielson
      2 August 2015 at 4:58 pm
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      Matthew 7
      21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
      22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
      23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    • ah’
      2 August 2015 at 8:30 pm
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      The only way that we can become a child of god is to be borned again and quit sinning there is no where in the bible that says we. Are saved in our sins but saved from our sins so why do people want to say that they are Christians and Continue a sinful lifestyle u can’t straddle the fence u have got. To choose light. And d uh and homosexuality is darkness

      • ah’
        2 August 2015 at 8:50 pm
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        ah’ did not make this comment:

        “The only way that we can become a child of god is to be borned again and quit sinning there is no where in the bible that says we. Are saved in our sins but saved from our sins so why do people want to say that they are Christians and Continue a sinful lifestyle u can’t straddle the fence u have got. To choose light. And d uh and homosexuality is darkness”

    • Evangelist and end-times watchman Anthony
      2 August 2015 at 11:00 pm
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      ?….

    • Sola Scriptura
      3 August 2015 at 5:07 pm
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      Subeta – if you are a christian then you understand that the whole reason Jesus came to earth was to cover the sin we chose at the dawn of time. Sin sends people to hell…forever. It is real. If we truly love people then we explain to them exactly who the Jesus of the Bible is. He hates sin because it is of his enemy satan, and because it will cause his beloved children to join Satan in hell forever:
      http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2014/09/18/confronting-sin/

      • Scott
        3 August 2015 at 7:24 pm
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        If we truly love people then we explain to them exactly who the Jesus of the Bible is. He hates sin because it is of his enemy satan, and because it will cause his beloved children to join Satan in hell forever

        False doctrine! Believers are NOT damned, only unbelievers.

        1Jo 5:1, 11-12 KJV – Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. … And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

        P.S. You would be wise to depart the ‘hell fire and brimstone’ game 💡

        • Marcus
          4 August 2015 at 1:33 am
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          INterestingly enough you seem to have forgotten a few verses… I wonder why.

          1 John 5:2-5 NKJV – By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world— your faith. Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

          Here John was recalling something he said previously – in Chapter 2:1-6:
          My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

          Belief is a facet of faith, but it is not the whole. Those who believe Jesus is LORD will, by virtue of that belief, stop sinning. To continue with sin is to declare through your actions that you do not in fact believe. Those who continue in sin while acting like they believe (or having been deceived into thinking they believed) will be among those who Jesus spoke about as recorded in Matthew 7.

          • Marcus
            4 August 2015 at 2:11 am

            Belief is a facet of faith, but it is not the whole. Those who believe Jesus is LORD will, by virtue of that belief, stop sinning. To continue with sin is to declare through your actions that you do not in fact believe. Those who continue in sin while acting like they believe (or having been deceived into thinking they believed) will be among those who Jesus spoke about as recorded in Matthew 7.

            @ Marcus: You must be of conditional or works salvation oriented? Maybe you should start with Paul concerning salvation aspect? 💡

  • eddie santana
    2 August 2015 at 2:20 pm
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    The world is seeping into the church; it has been for a while now. Well, let’s see everyone stand up to defend Hillsong now. Thank you for confirming Hillsong’s departure from the truth.

    • Scott
      2 August 2015 at 4:19 pm
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      • Scott
        2 August 2015 at 6:54 pm
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        This whole comment system is weird. I didn’t say that. but when i tried to post a reply, someone e;se’s email was auto filled.

        • Jesus was not a jew
          2 August 2015 at 8:52 pm
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          NTEB is doing the glitch on purpose! They are an undercover NWO site!

          • Heather
            3 August 2015 at 2:27 am

            Soooo, you don’t believe Jesus was a Jew MRH? Wow I had now idea you were posting on this site under the disguise of so many other peoples names.
            So far I’ve seen you post under 4 different names on this article alone.

    • Heather
      3 August 2015 at 1:01 am
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      Amen eddie!!

    • Sueawatcher
      3 August 2015 at 8:36 am
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      Eddie I read this long before this article. There are other churchs that have done the same thing recently. Methodist, Prysbyterian USA Roman catholic. I don’t think the gays should be excluded from any church. But the issue is the churchs docrines that are being changed for fear of lawsuits etc. These are the churchs that true believers need to depart from. GET OUT NOW find a church that teaches Gods word your salvation depends on it.

  • The End is near
    2 August 2015 at 2:41 pm
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    @Subeta are you for real? Are you defying God’s warning and God’s teaching? Leviticus 18:22 in the original Hebrew reads “A man shall not sleep (lie down) with another man as he does with his wife it is an abomination in the presence of Jehovah.

    More clear than that I dont know what else say to you. Allowing openly homosexuals to lead Church activities is like put a pedophile in charge of a daycare or an alcoholic in charge of a bar.

    If these homosexuals come to Church to find out, to search for a way to escape that horrible life style they are welcome but the Bible is clear when the Lord warned us to no cast our pearls before swines.

  • The End is near
    2 August 2015 at 2:47 pm
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  • Subeta
    2 August 2015 at 3:04 pm
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    @ The End is Near …. What do you actually know about Hillsong Chuch before you go scare mongering… If a couple is heterosexual (man and woman) but unmarried living in sin leading worship would you be saying the same thing…. How many of us at church any church can honestly say we are perfect… We have only been made righteousness through the blood of Christ and his sacrifice so what gives us who have recieved Grace and Mercy the right to now be God and say who should do this and who should do this and should do that… You take one fact from an amazing Church that is doing a great job bring in lost souls into the Kingdom of God… Letting the Holy Spirit do his job and transform their lives to be more like Christ at what ever point they are at.

    It’s people like you who actually derail people….. Understand what Hillsong and other churches are about before bad mouthing them…. Even satan used the word of God to tempt Jesus. Don’t misrepresent and preach hate trying to be more Christlike if you really belong to him and have Love…

    Of course homosexuality is wrong but so are all the other sins and being judgemental and exclusive only serves to alienate people not show the love for all that Jeaua showed. By showing love we include and welcome all… Then the Holy Spirit transforms people in his time not yours!!!!!

    • ah’
      2 August 2015 at 6:50 pm
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      Gods love doesn’t change anybody,truth is what changes a person spoken in Gods love

      • ah’
        2 August 2015 at 8:39 pm
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        ah’ did not make this comment:

        “Gods love doesn’t change anybody,truth is what changes a person spoken in Gods love”

    • Z
      2 August 2015 at 8:44 pm
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      How are they “making a difference” if their worship leaders look like the world? How are hey “bringing lost souls into the kingdom of God if their leaders are not in submission to God?” Just because you have a crowd doesn’t mean you have a church.

    • Vincely
      3 August 2015 at 10:21 am
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      Love the LGBT. Likewise all sinners. Preach and teach them the truth of the gospel. Help them to repent, to be born again and become a new creation in Christ. Please don’t lie them by saying that you are okay with your sin. Please don’t give them the pulpit. By doing so you are misguiding the congregation and all those who are around.

  • Subeta
    2 August 2015 at 3:19 pm
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    Of course homosexuality is wrong but so are all the other sins and being judgemental and exclusive only serves to alienate people not show the love for all that JESUS showed. By showing love we include and welcome all… Then the Holy Spirit transforms people in his time not yours!!!!!

    • Geoffrey Grider
      2 August 2015 at 3:29 pm
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      The problem that the churches are having today is that they lack the GUTS to tell the dear, lost homosexual that the homosexualy lifestyle in and of itself is wrong. Many churches now teach that as long as the gay person is in a monogamous relationship and truly loves their partner then God will bless it. That is not what the Bible teaches at all. Not even close. But many pastors refuse to teach the truth because of the persecution they will get and because the money will dry up when people leave. I think it’s AWESOME that Hillsong wants to have gay people in their services. But I think it’s a crying shame that when they get there, Hillsong doesn’t have the GUTS to tell the them truth. Carl Lentz is a COWARD of the worst sort, because his refusal to teach the Bible is sending people to HELL.

      • Mark Gabrielson
        2 August 2015 at 3:59 pm
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        I belong to Hillsong and trust me they do spell these things out…. We read the bible for ourselves plus are all are told what Sin is alongside Mercy Grace and Rightousness! It’s not about being dragged back into
        legalism but embracing Grace…. From there fortunately it’s conviction and not condemnation…. We need Love not hate and that’s what this article is all about…. Let God do a new thing… Our goal
        Is to reach the lost with Love and let the Holy Spirit transform them… No one is condoning that homosexuality is okay just that God uses anybody and works in that person in his time….we are all works in progress no one more entitled than the other…..

        • Mark Gabrielson
          2 August 2015 at 5:08 pm
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          The above was not my comment.

          I do no belong to the Hillsong Church.

          This person needs to understand that “Speaking the Truth in Love” is hurtful to the flesh.

          Psalm 141:5
          Let the righteous smite me; it shall be a kindness: and let him reprove me; it shall be an excellent oil, which shall not break my head: for yet my prayer also shall be in their calamities.

        • Mark Gabrielson
          2 August 2015 at 8:13 pm
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          I want to emphatically state (specifically to ‘eddie santana’) that the comment under the name ‘Mark Gabrielson’ regarding belonging to the Hillsong Church WAS NOT MADE BY ME (Mark Gabrielson).

          NTEB please, please, please look into the issue of the comment fields being auto populated with another persons name and address. I ended up with the ‘Sueawatcher’ name and address earlier today.

          • MRH
            2 August 2015 at 8:45 pm

            Don’t hold your breath 🙁 NTEB seems to be purposefully doing glitch, but for reasons unknown. All I know is that it makes for potential email harvesting, aside from being annoying.

            P.S. Maybe NTEB is working undercover for the NWO? 😯 😯

        • RH
          3 August 2015 at 9:47 am
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          Hi
          I belong to Hillsong as well.But I need to know tbe truth.To be honest, this disturbs me.Although I am not judging.Don’t get me wrong. I need to know the whole story.

      • MRH
        2 August 2015 at 4:18 pm
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        The problem that the churches are having today is that they lack the GUTS to tell the dear, lost homosexual that the homosexualy lifestyle in and of itself is wrong.

        501(c)3 – State controlled “church’s CAN’T SPEAK AGAINST HOMOSEXUALITY!

      • ah’
        2 August 2015 at 6:13 pm
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        Lack of guts? … or just “SOLD OUT” ?

        501(c)3 “church’s” are “religious corporations”.

        Corporations are created by the State:

        “[A corporation is] an artificial person or legal entity CREATED BY or under the authority of the laws of a state.”

        – Black’s Law Dictionary West Publishing Company, 1991; 6th Edition, page 340

        “A corporation derives its existence and all of its power from the State!”

        TITLE 26–INTERNAL REVENUE CODE

        Sec. 501.

        Exemption from tax on corporations, certain trusts, etc.

        (c) List of exempt organizations

        (3) CORPORATIONS, and any…operated exclusively for RELIGIOUS, charitable, … no substantial part of the activities of which is carrying on propaganda, or otherwise attempting, to influence LEGISLATION …

        Ask yourself – in today’s world is homosexuality a political topic?

        Is abortion?

        What about euthanasia?

        These are among the topics which 501(c)3 organizations and their “mouthpieces” are promising by their signature NEVER to speak on!

        Pastors (as well as employees – and possibly, in the future even members of 501c3’s who claim tax write-offs) cannot attempt “to influence legislation” on any issue!

        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        In 1954, Lynden B. Johnson introduced the 501c3 system in order –

        “…TO SILENCE THE CHURCH and eliminate the significant influence the church had always had on shaping “public policy.”

        “One need not look far to see the devastating effects 501c3 acceptance has had to the church, and the consequent restrictions placed upon any 501c3 church. 501c3 churches are PROHIBITED from addressing, in any tangible way, the vital issues of the day. ”

        “For a 501c3 church to openly speak out, or organize in opposition to, anything that the government declares “legal,” even if it is immoral (e.g. abortion, homosexuality, etc.), that church will jeopardize its tax exempt status. The 501c3 has had a “chilling effect” upon the free speech rights of the church. LBJ was a shrewd and cunning politician who seemed to well-appreciate how easily many of the clergy would SELL OUT. ”

        – In Caesar’s Grip , by Peter Kershaw

    • Cyril
      4 August 2015 at 3:50 am
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      @Subita you have rightly pointed out that we need to be inclusive! However you have omitted a crucial point. Yahweh says Be Holy for I AM Holy. Our quest therefore must be to live a Holy Life acceptable to God. Granted the church is a haven for sinners and must always nurture them in TRUTH. Allowing those who are in gross violation of scripture to MINISTER to others actually waters down and negates Yahwehs Desire of Holiness. Let those in sin enter the church, allow the Holy Spirit to convict and cause repentence. BUT PLEASE don’t advocate for them to impart, share and minister to others!

  • The End is near
    2 August 2015 at 3:21 pm
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    @ Subeta By those people living that way they are corrupting those around them, if you tell them that they dont need to repent and you are going to see when the Holy Spirit will convict them you are denying the Word of God where God calls us to be Watchmen on the wall, to alert the people of the enemy approach and to encourage them to be ready according with the Word of God. If you dont warn them about the wrong of their ways you are denying the Great Commission given to us in Matthew where he exalt us to make disciples in all the nations. Whoever you are the Devil is blindfolding you, remove that blindfold from your eyes and see the warning we are giving you and those who have fallen victims of the lies and deceits of the devil and his servants.

  • Jared Condon
    2 August 2015 at 3:37 pm
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    Where are your resources for this? I’ve personally heard their stance on Gay marriage and it seems quite different than what you are saying. Do you mind sharing the sources? Without sources this is just gossip and just as much of a sin and causing division in the church.

    I’d be interested to see legitimate sources. Thanks:)

  • Subeta
    2 August 2015 at 3:44 pm
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    @ Now the end begins… I didn’t realise you were trying to warn whomever it just looked like a character asissination of Pastor Carl and Hillsong Church…. I didn’t know you were actually there when they actually deliberated and pray over every decision and action taken….!!!

    You have no idea how God is working and using the body of Christ …. Fortunately I am rooted in Christ and don’t need your validation (for your reference neither am I a homosexual) but can say if I were a baby Christian it is the likes of you and your comments that could push people back into the World… You are so judgmental and don’t know your facts…. I don’t see the Love of Christ in your comments just fear mongering and hate just like what ISIS do….

    Hopefully your readers will have more common sense and be spirit filled to not try to play the role of God… Just as the heavens are higher than the earth so are his ways higher than ours…. Let God be God I think
    He knows what he is doing….

    • Geoffrey Grider
      2 August 2015 at 3:51 pm
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      I am sorry if this article exposing the truth about Hillsong Church is offensive to you, all we have done is to quote from what Hillsong leaders have said. I think the article is honestly written and with Christian compassion. Have you read none of what I have said about the importance of witnessing to the LGBT community? But to welcome in the homosexual without telling them about the deadly consequences of their lifestyle is a cowardly and unChristian thing to do. But we have “assassinated” no one’s character or reputation. The article doesn’t talk about anyone’s personal faults or failings, only that of Church policy and Bible positions.

  • Floridahank
    2 August 2015 at 3:44 pm
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    The 5 Supreme Court Judges who make homosexual marriage the law of our land have been given over to a Reprobate Mind and any further decisions they make will be anti-God laws and regulations. Our nation will face the fury of God’s judgment from now on.

  • Kristi Ann
    2 August 2015 at 3:53 pm
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    DISGUSTING of Hillsong NYC Church!!

    Our True GOD who art in HEAVEN DOES not Condone homosexuality and Abortion PERIOD!!

    Please PRAY for the HOLY LAND of ISRAEL-YISRAEL and our JUDEO-CHRISTIAN NATION UNITED STATES of AMERICA!!

    Our True GOD’S LOVE is from HEAVEN ABOVE FOREVERMORE through HIS SON JESUS ( YESHUA ) CHRIST!!

    Love Always and Shalom,

    Kristi

  • Michele
    2 August 2015 at 3:57 pm
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    I’ve been hearing the opinion that Homosexuality may be a sin..but ” we all sin” and who am I to judge them….and God loves everyone. Truth be told..we all do sin but the homosexual agenda revels in there sin. As a sinner ,we are to repent ( turn from) said sin…We are not to have parades proclaiming and celebrating our sin and demand equal rights and bastardizing Gods Rainbow as your flag of accomplishment. God abhors sin ,unrepentant!

    • Leeann
      2 August 2015 at 10:07 pm
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      I assume you are conditional or works salvation oriented? Under the law we are all hell bound, as sin is sin no matter type or frequency. You might want to study things deeper on salvation and sin topics? 😉

      • Heather
        3 August 2015 at 1:20 am
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        Michelle is correct, and you assume wrong.

        • chrystal
          3 August 2015 at 1:37 am
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          You are deluded sheeple 🙁

          • Heather
            3 August 2015 at 2:03 am

            And you are using everyone else names and emails to post your crap MRH!

  • Scott
    2 August 2015 at 4:06 pm
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    So, I saw this and was troubled, but rather than simply believe a social media news story… I contacted a friend at the church. Yes the couple use to attend. One may have even had leadership position in worship. The couple came out and was engaged, church leadership spoke with them and they chose to leave the church. (Apparently this happened when they were on the show Survivor? Weird.)

    The pastor said some things that can be interpreted in a couple ways. This article went one way. But my investigation into their actions seem to say something else.

    • Mark Gabrielson
      2 August 2015 at 5:31 pm
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      OK!

      Now who should we believe?

      Maybe NTEB should call the church for their official version.

      • Scott
        2 August 2015 at 5:42 pm
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        I find it odd that before posting an article making these kind of accusations that they had not already called them.

        But maybe a church practicing biblical church discipline doesn’t generate clicks for the ads?

        • Geoffrey Grider
          2 August 2015 at 5:58 pm
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          Reed Kelly, in an interview with Playbill.com, said this in January of 2015: ” I became truthful with my church. I’m a part of Hillsong NYC. I’m one of their choir directors. I also sing on their Worship team. They’ve been amazing as well. Nothing has changed there now that I’m completely out and with Reed. He sings in the choir as well.”

          • Scott
            2 August 2015 at 6:59 pm

            it is now August of 2015. They are no longer there. My contact at the church said the church leadership approached them after they learned of this stuff, and after that conversation they left the church. Did you contact the church staff before posting this article, or just snag comments from various posts and blogs to cobble this piece together?

  • Sueawatcher
    2 August 2015 at 4:51 pm
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    Its all about the money. As long as the money is flowing they will try to twist or remove scripture from Gods word. PEOPLE OF HILLSONG CHURCH…GET OUT OF HER NOW!

    • Mark Gabrielson
      2 August 2015 at 5:22 pm
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      Agreed!

      Getting rich for Jesus is a false narrative leading folk to hell. Jesus doesn’t need your money. He wants you!

      1 Timothy 6
      6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
      7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
      8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.

      9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
      10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

  • James C
    2 August 2015 at 5:54 pm
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    Personally I can’t wait for the rapture. The look in half the “Christians” faces are gonna be hilarious! And I’m talking about the lot of you that pick and choose what Bible verses to enforce.

    • ah’
      2 August 2015 at 8:04 pm
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      Amen!! That’s what I’m talking about such hypocrites smile in your face and then stab you in the back as though they are so sanctified

      • ah’
        2 August 2015 at 8:34 pm
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        ah’ did not make this comment:

        “Amen!! That’s what I’m talking about such hypocrites smile in your face and then stab you in the back as though they are so sanctified”

      • Judith
        7 August 2015 at 9:36 pm
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        that’s so true

    • Leeann
      2 August 2015 at 9:15 pm
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      I doubt things will happen like that. The rapture is instant and all true Christians will depart.

  • Jason Cowart
    2 August 2015 at 5:58 pm
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    Geoffrey Grider is either a total liar or the worst at research. This dribble is unbelievable. Do a google search and you will find actual reputable websites that report exactly how Hillsong feels about gay marriage. In fact, here’s the photo these people hacked up to produce this mess: http://broadwaytour.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/survivor-570×303.jpg

    These two men were on survivor.

    Geoffrey, do your research buddy. And don’t forget the reward for liars.

    • Geoffrey Grider
      2 August 2015 at 6:02 pm
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      Yes, they were on Survivor, and they ALSO lead worship at Hillsong. Read it and weep, false accuser:

      Josh Canfield, in an interview with Playbill.com, said this in January of 2015: ” I became truthful with my church. I’m a part of Hillsong NYC. I’m one of their choir directors. I also sing on their Worship team. They’ve been amazing as well. Nothing has changed there now that I’m completely out and with Reed. He sings in the choir as well.” http://www.playbill.com/news/article/broadway-boyfriends-of-survivor-get-engaged-on-stage-plus-video-340487/print

      From an article in the NEW YORK TIMES newspaper: Some of Hillsong’s churches appear to be open to gays and lesbians. Josh Canfield and Reed Kelly, a gay couple featured on the current season of “Survivor;” worship and sing in the choir at Hillsong New York; Mr. Canfield is a volunteer choir director at the church. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/18/us/megachurch-pastor-signals-shift-in-tone-on-gay-marriage.html

      Please offer your immediate apology and I will be happy to accept it.

      • Heather
        3 August 2015 at 12:54 am
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        Honestly when I read this article, I couldn’t help but to think of Subeta. She uses the same “inclusive” words. Perhaps she has been groomed as well?

        http://hillsongchurchwatch.com/2014/05/04/hillsong-grooming-its-members-to-embrace-queerstianity-part-2/

        The Pastor of Hillsong here in the article below, read how he talks about his thoughts on gays. He sounds just like Joel Osteen.
        As we are rapidly coming to the end of the Church age, the Lord’s letters (His warnings) to the 7 Churches in Revelation 2-3 are becoming much more clearer to me. WAKE UP CHURCHES, SATAN IS DECEIVING MANY OF YOU!

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/17/hillsong-church-gays_n_6002762.html

        • Storyteller
          3 August 2015 at 1:10 am
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          Heather: Only God knows the heart, and we each will be judged by our hearts in matters. At present your heart is dark! For you blindly thrive in pride and accusations! If you continue trend, you will regret it at the Bema. For your evil works hold no praise with God! Repent and learn love, or continue with hate game? 💡

          • Heather
            3 August 2015 at 1:31 am

            Your thoughts are constantly dark MRH. Look how you accuse our brother Geoffrey below of being apart of the NWO, but then you still want to come on his site and post all your constant researching of evil everything. You focus more on things of darkness than you do of the LORD Jesus Christ!
            So don’t come preaching to me!

        • chrystal
          3 August 2015 at 1:45 am
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          Your heart is not holy, as you lack love 😥

          • Heather
            3 August 2015 at 2:06 am

            Is there any good reason that you are using everyone else’s name MRH?

  • Marian
    2 August 2015 at 5:59 pm
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    I am familiar with a large Southern Baptist church that had a ministry for homosexuals. A couple involved in the ministry behaved in Sunday morning service in a way that should not be tolerated. I think the church needs to treat homosexuals in the church the same way any other person who is openly sinful in his/her behavior. Years ago, I was a member of a church in which church discipline was employed in cases of adultery among heterosexual adults. A moneyed, married deacon whose serial affairs were brought to the attention of the pastor was forced to leave his leadership position. The man chose to leave the church rather than mend his ways. So be it. That is missing in today’s assemblies where the pastor is more concerned about offending anyone who contributes financially.

  • eddie santana
    2 August 2015 at 6:40 pm
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    I told you, Geoff! ha ha ha!

  • eddie santana
    2 August 2015 at 6:45 pm
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    Subeta, or whatever your real name is, stop trying to make excuses for people’s sins, including your own. Ok?

  • eddie santana
    2 August 2015 at 6:50 pm
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    Agreed.

  • David L
    2 August 2015 at 7:07 pm
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    Jesus did speak against homosexual lifestyle: Luke 17:32 “remember Lot’s wife”

  • eddie santana
    2 August 2015 at 7:07 pm
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    @Mark: Granted, you give non-believers room to grow in your fold, but you don’t put them in leadership positions, otherwise it seems like you ARE condoning what they do. I would never suggest inviting people with unrepented sins to become bonafide members of a Bible-believing church, otherwise you end up with sin in the midst like old Israel and the Corinthian church which Paul had to straighten out numerous times.

  • eddie santana
    2 August 2015 at 7:12 pm
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    It is true that Proverbs says that “love covers a multitude of sins,” but that’s referring to Jesus’ redeeming, loving act, and that your love in forgiving another person gets past the sins to reconcile yourself to that person. But if a person does not confess and repent, then you can reconcile, but you can’t have fellowship, because “what business does light have with darkness.” (Paraphrased.)

  • eddie santana
    2 August 2015 at 7:15 pm
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    Thanks for that update, Scott. Note: your report would have had more credibility if you would have used your last name as well. It makes it seem like you’re hiding something.

    • scott
      3 August 2015 at 5:16 pm
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      Just saw this because the comment system is so jacked up. So, you don’t believe what i say because i didn’t give a last name? On a blog that so messed up with everyone posting with everyone else’s contact info? Probably wouldn’t hold much water even if you knew my name, address, phone and SS#.

      So forget what I know, who I’ve talked to. Do what the author of this article failed to do… contact Hillsong NYC yourself. Here’s the contact info, send an email, send a message on FB:
      nyc@hillsong.com
      https://www.facebook.com/HillsongNYC

      If they are doing what this article says, they will proudly tell you. I mean, the NYT misquoted (i mean quoted) the pastor, he must not be hiding his opinions.

      But, if the content of this post isn’t true, you will probably learn that as well.

      Do what this blog won’t do. Find out the truth.

  • eddie santana
    2 August 2015 at 7:16 pm
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    “501(c)3 – State controlled “church’s CAN’T SPEAK AGAINST HOMOSEXUALITY!”

    Poppycock!

    • MRH
      2 August 2015 at 11:13 pm
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      While the IRS has not yet been punishing pastors and churches who speak against abortion and homosexuality (i.e., revoking tax-exempt status and seizing their property), rest assured, that the chains are in place.

  • eddie santana
    2 August 2015 at 7:18 pm
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    Exactly, Scott. And thus formed the Catholic church.

  • eddie santana
    2 August 2015 at 7:19 pm
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    Right on, Sue!

  • eddie santana
    2 August 2015 at 7:24 pm
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    That’s pretty scary/sad…nobody knows who’s saying what around here anymore. lol

    • Leeann
      2 August 2015 at 9:28 pm
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      WARNING! The glitch is a covert agenda to expose contact info for harvesting purpose. NTEB is a NWO undercover agency like with Alex Jones and others.

      • Geoffrey Grider
        2 August 2015 at 11:29 pm
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        Lol, nice to know I made the “big time”. Next time I have coffee with Alex at the Agency, I will be sure to send your regards 🙂

        • Storyteller
          3 August 2015 at 12:43 am
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          Lol, nice to know I made the “big time”. Next time I have coffee with Alex at the Agency, I will be sure to send your regards 🙂

          Is this snide remark the words of a true ‘loving’ Christian or possibly an impostor (false ‘hateful’ christian)? I really really really wonder?…

          ATTENTION: THE BELOW MESSAGE IS INTENDED FOR YOU AND YOUR MYSTERY NTEB CLAN

          @ Geoffery Grider: So then why don’t you fix the annoying comment glitch already? People have moaned and groaned about it for many months now, which you ignore or let slide. Also it provides a simple way to harvest contacts unknowingly (name, email). Is it right (holy) to expose everyone’s private contact info unto the public for whatever purpose? 👿

          Although I have no ill intentions (spam, scam), so far I’ve collected many gifted contacts here, including of staff. Which I add to bulk ‘end time’ knowledge sends on occasion. The fact of your seeming ignorance or such in matters, suggests that the comment glitch is purposeful? But for what reason is a mystery unto me. Care to explain? 💡

          Also your continual snide or callous remarks are questionable unto your supposed holy faith game? Fact: Neither Jesus nor the apostles engaged in such dark attitudes! Nor did they bash sinners! A true Christian is known by their colors, and LOVE is the number one key unto things. And you may speak of LOVE, but your attitude and actions don’t express Christian love. 😥

          • Geoffrey Grider
            3 August 2015 at 8:46 am

            I am fixing it….but its a lot of work. Should be done this week….

        • Jeff
          3 August 2015 at 4:12 pm
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          I am fixing it….but its a lot of work. Should be done this week….

          Another excuse? As I recall you said similar over a month ago? And you consider yourself a web site designer? 😉

      • Heather
        3 August 2015 at 2:11 am
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        Why do you post on here then Leeann=MRH?

  • eddie santana
    2 August 2015 at 7:28 pm
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    We’re assuming the NY Times and other journalists called them. So if one is going down for libel, everybody is! ha!

  • char
    2 August 2015 at 8:10 pm
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    Nenad – I think I speak for many, many people on this website. We are tired of seeing your same posting all the time of “Obama will not finish his term”. We get it, okay. We’ve read it numerous times. Get another one going. Thank you.

    • Rick Thomas
      2 August 2015 at 8:49 pm
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      It’s a scam site trying to sell end time survival crap :roll:

      • Geoffrey Grider
        2 August 2015 at 11:29 pm
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        We don’t sell any end time stuff at all, just gospel tracts.

        • Storyteller
          3 August 2015 at 12:58 am
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          Of course just perverted bible knowledge to increase your church? 😉

          • Heather
            3 August 2015 at 1:38 am

            MRH if you have so much hate towards Geoffrey and his site, why do you come on here and post?

  • edwitness
    2 August 2015 at 8:24 pm
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    It really comes as no surprise since we have had the likes of Osteen express his thoughts about the subject with Oprah. Those who espouse these doctrines are devils. They will still be here preaching the same messages to the same “congregations” when Jesus’ true church is long gone.
    Truly a sign of His imminent return.
    MARANATHA!
    Blessings:-}

  • Shelly
    2 August 2015 at 8:41 pm
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    What’s so wrong with them being open at least they’re being honest and real unlike a lot of you hateful “Christians”. Christ is far more concerned that you love rather then who you love. Y’all live and fear and focus on negative things where Christ was full of light and love.

  • Hillsong NYC Church Has An ‘Engaged’ Openly Homosexual Couple Leading The Choir | Walker Ministries | Virginia Beach, VA
    2 August 2015 at 8:42 pm
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    […] By Geoffrey Grider […]

  • char
    2 August 2015 at 8:55 pm
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    Thanks Rick Thomas, for letting me know about this scam that Nenad has going. I was wondering why they keep putting that in EVERY subject article in the NTEB sites. Kinda gets on the nerves after seeing it 50 times over. I wonder how many unsuspecting, gullible people they get to buy into it.

  • ‘Engaged’ Openly Homosexual Couple Are Reportedly Leading the Choir at Hillsong Church In New York City | BCNN1 – Black Christian News Network
    2 August 2015 at 9:53 pm
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    […] here to read […]

  • Stephanie
    2 August 2015 at 10:03 pm
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    When a pastor starts to misquote scripture, It brings me to the conclusion they are one of the “false” teachers Jesus speaks about. This pastor of Hillsong is all over the board and misrepresented the true body of Christ, he will face the wrath!

  • eddie santana
    2 August 2015 at 10:15 pm
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    Welcome to NTEB, buddy. lol

  • eddie santana
    2 August 2015 at 10:18 pm
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    Well, not being there is fine, but that doesn’t explain the comments from the Pastor.

    • Scott
      3 August 2015 at 4:36 pm
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      • ah’
        3 August 2015 at 4:50 pm
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        And once again, this isn’t my email. This pages comment section is jacked up. Surely there are better WordPress comments modules than this?

        Supposedly Geoffrey intends to fix comment glitch this week, but he said similar over a month ago as I recall :roll:

        • ah’
          3 August 2015 at 5:27 pm
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          ah’ did not make this comment:

          “And once again, this isn’t my email. This pages comment section is jacked up. Surely there are better WordPress comments modules than this?
          .
          Supposedly Geoffrey intends to fix comment glitch this week, but he said similar over a month ago as I recall :roll:”

  • Keke
    2 August 2015 at 10:20 pm
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    Hmmm. I wonder how many people got saved from this post. Christians why fight each other? Using our “influence” to throw shade and type hate…what does that remind me of?..oh yeah the very people Jesus called “brood of vipers”….Guys lets get it together! Put aside judgmental ideals of what a “pastor” should look like and start focusing on what the our job is as Christians, not publishing what the problems are and start preaching the solution THATS JESUS! We as a body of believers need to start building each other up with our words not using them to down a pastor you have never meant…

    • Leeann
      2 August 2015 at 10:49 pm
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      NTEB is a sensationalist news zone, NOT a holy heavenly haven. The articles are all negative and fear monger oriented. Which then sets the stage for blog battle games. Much like with YouTube and such.

  • eddie santana
    2 August 2015 at 10:27 pm
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    Shelly, so you’re saying the Bible doesn’t condemn homosexuality? You need to read it again then. (Hint: It might be easier if you’re born-again.) 🙂

  • BQ
    2 August 2015 at 10:39 pm
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    Would someone please tell me where the heck in the Bible it says that the church and it’s members are directly responsible for who goes to hell or not?

    Nowhere right?

    Pretty sure it’s quite clear that God is the ultimate responsibility and he gave free choice to people on earth. Those that don’t follow his rules burn – those that do don’t.

    SO. Quit with the church bashing already… the world is sick of it. The church is sick of it. I’m sick of it.

    Anybody, regardless of their age, sex, race, sexual identity should be allowed to walk in to the supposedly safe haven of a church and be accepted for who they are without all this prejudice crap that’s being bantered around.

    Ask yourself – is the church an exclusive club for the saved to pat themselves on the back and offer up worship .. or is the church a place where the ‘sinner’ can feel safe and refuge and somehow find a pathway forward.

    • Matt
      2 August 2015 at 11:32 pm
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      The irony is that neither Jesus nor the apostles went on sin bashing rampages Today’s judgmental churches are a total joke, foolish dens of vipers. Whom at the Bema will sadly have empty or near empty rewards baskets. Fod God does not give rewards for sin bashing, only for honorably exposing darkness and revealing light 😉

  • eddie santana
    2 August 2015 at 10:44 pm
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    Actually, this site does more than you give it credit for…it exposes false doctrine and Christian organizations and seeks to educate those (such as yourself) that wants to turn a blind eye and deflect the sin found in churches and church leaders.

    • Leeann
      2 August 2015 at 11:02 pm
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      However not all articles are valid such as this one.* I a

      *According to an informant here, the couple have departed church 😉

      So, I saw this and was troubled, but rather than simply believe a social media news story… I contacted a friend at the church. Yes the couple use to attend. One may have even had leadership position in worship. The couple came out and was engaged, church leadership spoke with them and they chose to leave the church.

      it is now August of 2015. They are no longer there. My contact at the church said the church leadership approached them after they learned of this stuff, and after that conversation they left the church.

      P.S. This article is obviously old obsolete news, but still fodder for the blog bonfire 😉

      • Heather
        3 August 2015 at 2:57 am
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        MRH, why are a presenting your self as a woman to bash Geoffrey as Leeann, not to mention all the other names you used?
        Stl revealed something to me along time ago concerning you and I have never repeated it. It would not be a good thing for me to do.

        But you must not take certain articles that Geoffrey post personally. This is what I see you doing and your being very deceitful by posting under other people’s names to try to prove yourself right.

        • chrystal
          3 August 2015 at 3:13 am
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          Heather: How stupid are you anyway girl? I’m simply commenting! Other contacts automatically enter POST A COMMENT, so I simply type my comment and SUBMIT COMMENT! What holy crime did I commit? AMEN!?

          NTEB is responsible unto eternal comment glitch! NOT I nor others!
          Maybe you should Command NTEB to fix glitch, or simply live with it?

        • chrystal
          3 August 2015 at 3:50 am
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          • Heather
            3 August 2015 at 11:19 am

            It’s something how Leeann didn’t show up until you started posting. The same with crystal and, and, and. Do you think I care if you post MY email address MRH? It just confirms your DARK SIDE.

          • Scott
            3 August 2015 at 4:43 pm

            Heather: You are one dumb broad! Did you not read my comment above?

            MRH

  • eddie santana
    2 August 2015 at 10:56 pm
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    Then why are you bothering with it? To educate the masses yourself? lol.

  • eddie santana
    3 August 2015 at 12:17 am
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    I John 1:9 says if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins. There’s the formula…we have to Confess and Repent in order to be forgiven. The same book says that “whosoever sinneth (unrepentantly) hath not seen him, neither known him. Just because sins are forgivable, doesn’t necessarily mean they will be.

    • chrystal
      3 August 2015 at 1:40 am
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      Nonsense! Read salvation scriptures in full context 💡

  • Kelly
    3 August 2015 at 12:36 am
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    It’s been known for a while now that Hillsong is evil and false teachers/prophets. Over a year at least.

    • chrystal
      3 August 2015 at 1:38 am
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      Prove such? 💡

  • colin
    3 August 2015 at 1:39 am
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    what does the bible say about choosing leaders in the church?

    • burger
      3 August 2015 at 10:34 am
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      First of all there is no mention in the Scripture of a one man show..The Church God bought with his blood should have Elders as overseers Acts 20:25 If elders took charge none of this would happen. Paul descibes himself as an elder and writes to elders, always plural.

  • jamie
    3 August 2015 at 1:46 am
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    I gotta say – I’ve been reading everyone’s responses and it’s comments like this that have kept me from Christianity for many years. Even though I grew up in a Christian home and went to a Christian school, it all just seemed so fake to me because everyone was so judgemental about every little thing. But eventually God transformed my heart and I began a real relationship with Him and I was able to really feel love. I went to Hillsong for 2 years and being apart of that church only increased my love for God and for people and the people I served with really helped me in my walk. I finally had a relationship with Jesus but there were still some things I struggled with, but I never felt any sort of condemnation from anyone. I felt accepted, loved and I wanted to share that love with other people. Sure there are things in Hillsong I may not agree with, as with other churches I’ve gone to in the past, but it really saddens me to see the majority of you condemn it instead of perhaps praying for the leaders that you think are so wrong and have fallen into the worlds way of thinking (which I genuinely don’t think so, but that is my opinion based on what I’ve seen serving in that church for 2 years). And I actually had to laugh at the article that said the picture of the mountain was the illuminati symbol. That is absurd. As Christians, we are supposed to love as Jesus loved. We aren’t to love the sin, but all I just see is hate and its just sad.

    • A O
      3 August 2015 at 11:39 am
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      This is how God loved the world: ““For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.” John 3:16

      Do you wish that people perish? Or does the love that you claim to have move you to do something so that people will inherit God’s promise of eternal life?

      Jesus said, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent and believe in the gospel.”

      Does the love you claim to have move you to call your fellow man to repent and believe in the gospel?

  • benji
    3 August 2015 at 3:59 am
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    Never read so much stupid things in an article…stop judging people and most of all stop talking about things you don’t know…

  • eddie santana
    3 August 2015 at 8:28 am
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    Story, you must be on NWO drugs. Heather is fine. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

  • eddie santana
    3 August 2015 at 8:32 am
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    But you haven’t learned that the Bible is the word of God and is the final authority on issues. Keep learning, dear one.

  • eddie santana
    3 August 2015 at 8:39 am
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    I’ve observed and concluded that those that defend other people’s sin are in essence wanting to defend their own as well. The difference between my sin and someone elses…I don’t broadcast mine; I actually try to keep it hush and turn away from it. :idea. :)~

  • eddie santana
    3 August 2015 at 8:48 am
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    If someone wants an excuse to turn away from God, they won’t have to look very far. And you would do well to separate yourself from the world’s mentality of calling disagreeing with people’s ways as “hate.”

  • Jenna
    3 August 2015 at 8:52 am
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    Whether in denial or not, THE TRUTH IS STILL THE TRUTH WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT. WAKE UP WORLD.. THE WORD OF GOD IS TRUE.
    Just cause the world excepts and takes part in wrong doing doesn’t make it right.

  • RH
    3 August 2015 at 9:26 am
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    Sin is a sin.God loves us the sinner – but hates sin.That is why we need Jesus Christ.We cannot compromise God’s Words.If Hillsong redefines marriage, I will stop attending, I will re-think, and pray.

    • Bev
      3 August 2015 at 11:16 am
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      Ezekiel 4:18-19
      18 When God say to the wicked, “You will certainly die,” and you do not warn him—you do not speak out to warn the wicked to turn from his wicked deed and wicked lifestyle so that he may live—that wicked person will die for his iniquity, but I will hold you accountable for his death. 19 But as for you, if you warn the wicked and he does not turn from his wicked deed and from his wicked lifestyle, he will die for his iniquity but you will have saved your own life.

  • Eric
    3 August 2015 at 9:39 am
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    Seems your entire focus is on the “end times” and how this has anything to do with it. If you stay home and read all the passages that have been taught to you as concerning the end times and how they’re relevant and meant for today then you’ll continue to be irrelevant to the culture that changes everyday. I love my church and God is moving in a huge way through it. And much to your dismay, the new earth you’ll be living on will be chock full of gays who’ve submitted their lives to the Lordship of Jesus Christ. I wonder how many gay people are at your church and I wonder how welcome they feel to hear the Word.

    • ah’
      3 August 2015 at 9:51 am
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      I love Hillsong.It is my church
      However, I need to know if it redefines marriage or not.I need to know why would they allow worship leaders who are openly gay to lead? I need to know why.

      • ah’
        3 August 2015 at 11:23 am
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        ah’ did not make this comment above:

        “I love Hillsong.It is my church
        However, I need to know if it redefines marriage or not.I need to know why would they allow worship leaders who are openly gay to lead? I need to know why.”

    • A O
      3 August 2015 at 11:21 am
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      During End Times, true Christians will be hated and persecuted. If you think that you are a Christian and are living in End Times, but are not hated and persecuted, guess what? You are not a Christian and are on the wrong side of prophecy. For now, it looks like homosexuals, along with atheists and feminist, will be hating and persecuting true Christians in Western Civilizations and the western hemisphere.

  • eddie santana
    3 August 2015 at 10:22 am
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    Just YOUR opinion, and fortunately, you’re in the minority. 🙂

  • eddie santana
    3 August 2015 at 10:26 am
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    I agree homo’s shouldn’t be excluded, but its tough to have them and transgenders in the midst because their sin is ever before them and everyone else they come in contact with that knows their story.

  • Bev
    3 August 2015 at 10:51 am
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    Anathema Maranatha!

  • Michael Alford
    3 August 2015 at 11:01 am
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    Br Grider, I preach in St. Augustine every time I go through there at the old city gate. Maybe we can meet up sometime.

    • Geoffrey Grider
      3 August 2015 at 11:42 am
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      Sure, we do it Saturday’s at Noon…let me know next time you’ll be around…

  • che
    3 August 2015 at 11:23 am
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    Ezekiel 4: 18-19
    18 When God say to the wicked, “You will certainly die,” and you do not warn him—you do not speak out to warn the wicked to turn from his wicked deed and wicked lifestyle so that he may live—that wicked person will die for his iniquity, but I will hold you accountable for his death. 19 But as for you, if you warn the wicked and he does not turn from his wicked deed and from his wicked lifestyle, he will die for his iniquity but you will have saved your own life.

  • Bev
    3 August 2015 at 11:23 am
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    Deeply disappointed by Hillsong church stands on homosexuality
    We Churches of Korea stand togethet fighting against homosexuality
    Because it’s against the scripture and natural law
    Hillsong church loved men more thsn God.
    hope Hillson church turn back to God.

  • eddie santana
    3 August 2015 at 11:31 am
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    Don’t forget Hebrews chapt.10, too!: “26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins; 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?”

    Scary stuff, man.

    • Scott
      3 August 2015 at 5:25 pm
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      @ Eddie: It might help to read the passage context properly 💡 😉

      For one thing, the whole Hebrews book is written unto the unbelieving Jews whom still followed the law, not to the believing church whom followed faith and grace. With that being said, the context implies that Jesus paid the final blood sacrifice. So if one denies this fact they condemn themselves. They have no grace hope, as the law can’t redeem anymore. Nor could it really ever save, as none could follow it unto the letter, as scripture states. By the law standards we are ALL sinners until death or rapture prevails!

      P.S. I admit the passage is difficult to understand taken by itself. It really helps to read the whole chapter at least, better yet the whole book. Likewise James is written to the Jews (12 tribes scattered abroad), NOT to the Gentile Christians. Also both books might have prophetic effect as well.

  • Chris S. Awudu
    3 August 2015 at 12:13 pm
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    Sin is nothing more or less than sin. Sin remains sin doesn’t matter who commit it. Gay is sin and the bible is against it. The bible is clear on the subject of gay. Paul also talked about it in Romans 1:18-32.

    There are people who hath joined themselves to the church but are not God’s people. They are not of God that’s why they act in such way. This is why Paul told us to be “aware of dogs,” and such dogs that he’s talking about are in the church. Philippians 3:2.

    Gay is sin and Pastor Carl shouldn’t be afraid that people will be offended when he tells them but he should be bold to tell them to stop that act and live a holy life.

    Righteousness is not right-living and is a free gift. But we receive righteousness to live right. If you say you’ve trully received righteousness from God and God hath made you righteous, then you have to also live RIGHT and not continue in sin.

  • Sueawatcher
    3 August 2015 at 12:25 pm
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    This was not my comment. People are posting under others names on this site.

    • Scott
      3 August 2015 at 4:31 pm
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      You can thank NTEB 😉

  • RL Mendoza
    3 August 2015 at 1:06 pm
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    Everyone is a sinner and no one is excused (including Pastors). We are humans, period. However, our sins have been paid by Jesus on the cross. What should you do if you have a LGBT in your church? Simple, pray for them, teach them the Word of God and above all, love them as Christ loves us. For the pastor, please do not make any excuse or even try to justify one’s sin as our role is to openly share the Truth. I said it is simple simply because “the yolk I will give you is easy” and “I can do all things to Christ who gives me strenght”.

  • Dr. Kris Lord
    3 August 2015 at 1:33 pm
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    Pastor Lentz is right. And the author of this gossip article proves his point. The author did not list one Scripture verse where Jesus said anything (positive or negative) on the subject of homosexuality. Jesus had every opportunity to settle it. Jesus, being God, should know that this would be a controversial issue of our time, but nothing was said. Maybe nothing was said because God never condemned same-sex marriage and permits it just like He permits marriage of one man to multiple wives and one man-one woman marriage. The only people forbidding marriage are the ones who in our times chose to “depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron” as described in 1 Timothy 4:1-5.

    But, the author did however do something that God said no one can do. The author has judged negatively Hillsong church NYC, the pastor, and the same-sex couple of which this article condemns.

    Romans 14:13 states, “Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.”

    And again in James 4:11-12:

    “Do not speak evil of one another, brethren. He who speaks evil of a brother and judges his brother, speaks evil of the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is one Lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy. Who are you to judge another?”

    The author of this article needs to repent.

    Romans 14:4 states, “Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.”

    And again in Romans 14:10-13

    “But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written: “As I live, says the Lord, Every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.”

    Moreover in John‬ ‭13:34-35‬, God says: “A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”

    • Geoffrey Grider
      3 August 2015 at 5:41 pm
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      Pastor Lentz, as my article states, is WRONG when he foolishly attempts to assert that “Jesus never discussed homosexuality”. Jesus, multiple times in the Gospels, warned and admonished the Jews to ‘Keep the Law”, did He not? And in the Law it talks about rape, murder, incest, homosexuality, etc. So that ends the argument right there. But it sounds to me, “Dr” Kent, that you are in FAVOR of homosexual marriage…

  • RH
    3 August 2015 at 1:53 pm
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    “He that is born of God overcomes the world….Light dispells datkness.Of you have set free by the Son of God, you are free indeed.”
    Sin is sin.We name sin as God names it and repwnt and sin not.If we fail, we repent, God’s grace gives us the strength to say ‘No’ to sin and become like Christ.We condemn sin but not the sinner – we a have fallen short of God’s glory.

    Sin is sin.We.don’t wallow in sin because God’s Sporit has set us free.

  • A O
    3 August 2015 at 1:56 pm
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    The definition of SEXUAL IMMORALITY includes acts of homosexuality, fornication, incest, adultery and all other acts listed in Leviticus 10-21.

    Jesus did speak about homosexuality in Revelations when He said to the church of Thyatira, “But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice SEXUAL IMMORALITY . . .I gave her time to repent, but she refuses to repent of her sexual immorality. Behold, I will throw her onto a SICKBED.” Revelations 2:20-22

    Note the prophetic connection between SEXUAL IMMORALITY and the SICKBED (i.e., Sexually Transmitted Diseases).

    Jesus also says this to the church of Pergamum, “But I have a few things against you: you have some there who hold the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, so that they might eat food sacrificed to idols and practice SEXUAL IMMORALITY.”

    Let me add, as a side note, that the next time anyone is confronted with people who say that you can’t pick and choose and then present you with the “shellfish” argument, refer them to 1 Corinthians 10:25-28: “Eat whatever is sold in the meat market without raising any question on the ground of conscience. For ‘the earth is the Lord’s, and the fullness thereof.’ If one of the unbelievers invites you to dinner and you are disposed to go, eat whatever is set before you without raising any question on the ground of conscience. But if someone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, for the sake of the one who informed you, and for the sake of conscience—”

    And if confronted with why we don’t punish transgressors of the law according to the law, refer them to John 8:7, “And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, ‘Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.’”

  • A O
    3 August 2015 at 3:25 pm
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    In Matthew 10:15, Jesus warned, “Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town.”

    In Luke 17:32, Jesus referred to Genesis again when He said, “Remember Lot’s wife.”

    The definition of SEXUAL IMMORALITY includes acts of homosexuality, fornication, incest, adultery and all other acts listed in Leviticus 20:10-21. Jesus condemns the churches of Thyratira and Pergamum for engaging in SEXUAL IMMORALITY.

  • Kelli Pizarro
    3 August 2015 at 4:49 pm
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    The pastors hair, clothing and tattoos are irrelevant. It is what he preaches and what he allows in his church that matters. Bringing up physical things makes you look petty and downsizes the real problem. My husband’s head is half shaved and he has tattoos, but you better believe he is a man of God and doesn’t stand for the promotion and sugar-coating of sin. 🙂

    • Geoffrey Grider
      3 August 2015 at 5:04 pm
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      I was simply giving a description of the pastor, no judgment of any kind was about the way he looked. A well-written article is descriptive, or so says Journalism 101 class 😉

    • Scott
      3 August 2015 at 6:16 pm
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      @ Kelli: General appearance aside, tattoos are also sin, as that is defacing the body 😯

      Lev 19:27-28 KJV – Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard. Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

      Lexicon :: Strong’s H7085 – qa`aqa`(marks) = incision, imprintment, tattoo, mark

      P.S. Personally I don’t find tattoos or piercings or funky haircuts the least bit appealing 🙁

      Tip: Your husband might want to consider removing his tattoos at least 💡

  • Sola Scriptura
    3 August 2015 at 5:00 pm
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    Sin, sin, sin, sin!! That is the only reason Jesus came to earth. We chose sin in the garden and brought hell on ourselves. Now, he , in his mercy, has saved us from the eternal consequence (hell) of our sin, should we chose to accept him. We must confront sin boldly so that they aren’t left in an eternity of unquenchable fire. We are not loving someone if we do not lovingly but directly confront their sin. I pray people will do the same for me!

    http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2014/09/18/confronting-sin/

    http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2015/04/29/sin-repentance-and-the-cross-of-christ/

  • RH
    3 August 2015 at 5:19 pm
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    Homosexuality is sin.Period.No questiins asked.
    It is the same as gluttony being sin.The mark of true repentance is turning away from sin – not openly admitting and wallowing on it!
    Jesus has an unconditional love – when He came as our Saviour.But take note HE WILL RETURN AS A JUDGE and AS KING TO REIGN ON EARTH.Lord please come and take us away.

  • RH
    3 August 2015 at 5:23 pm
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    Homosexuality is sin.Period.No questiins asked.
    It is the same as gluttony being sin.The mark of true repentance is turning away from sin – not openly admitting and wallowing on it!
    9 has an unconditional love – when He came as our Saviour.But take note HE WILL RETURN AS A JUDGE and AS KING TO REIGN ON EARTH.Lord please come and take us away.

  • Blue
    3 August 2015 at 5:54 pm
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    It is sad to know. I’ve been blessed by these hillsong brothers of our. man! what can we do?
    Let us be in prayer that God’s mercy will be upon these churches. And that God will once again open their eyes to see biblical truth and that repentant heart will be laid before God. Be of courage Christians! the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross will not be change by all these issues. It is finished. PRAY, pray for one another, pray for these churches, pray for revival, pray for strength to those who are falling and pray for those who stands firm to what they believe is biblical truth that they may stand firm in faith through Jesus Christ.

  • Milton Almeida
    3 August 2015 at 5:58 pm
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    YES! Jesus addressed it very directly when he said: I came to fulfill the Law!
    The law included Lev 20:13. This pastor is obviously no scholar.

  • Milton Almeida
    3 August 2015 at 6:02 pm
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    YES! Jesus addressed it very directly when he said “…I came to fulfill the Law…! the Law included Lev. 20:13.

  • Gabriel
    3 August 2015 at 6:10 pm
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    Wow….for a pastor, I’m actually shocked at YOUR misinterpretation of scripture and what it was that Jesus preached/lived/and showed to the world around Him. In the verse you quote, Jesus is not saying “make sure you adhear to the law of Moses, because that’s the only way my Father will be happy with you…”, that was what the Pharisees were saying. Jesus said He was the fulfillment of the Law! And the only people whom Christ ever rebuked or called out for their sins were the Pharisees, and the religious leaders of the day, who in their Pioty, thought because of how “well” they kept the Law, were better than those “sinners” that Jesus hung out with.
    I am absolutely amazed, baffled, and repulsed by “Christians” whose mentality is:Once you start going to church, you can’t struggle with sin anymore-God wants you to be a perfect, well-dressed, only hymn singing, pew-filler, who comes to a building every week to be told how much you suck at life. In what way is that representative of Christ?
    Oh, and if it wasn’t already clear: God isn’t really a big fan of sin in general. However, when it comes to sexual sin, and His church dealing with it, you would think He’d be more concerned with we as His bride dealing with the plank in our own eyes(ya know like divorce, adultery, pornography, and so many other things that plague us as individuals in the church) before we go after others for the speck in their eyes.
    Jesus is God’s grace to us, and Jesus said, “a new command I give to you:love one another as I have loved you….” Jesus didn’t point out where his disciples missed the mark, did he? He was already aware of all of that. What did he do instead? He loved them, and hung on a cross for them, even after they left him for dead. And when He rose again and found them in the upper room, He still LOVED them and never brought up their sins or offenses.

    All of that to say this: Let the Lord deal with the crap you have in your own life, and let HIM deal with others in their own lives. We all have sin in our lives(even you, oh wise and holy pastor), and God deals with all of us differently, and not always as our sins deserve. It is not our place to judge others, that is God’s job; it’s not our place to convict others, that is the Holy Spirit’s job; it is our job to Love others, and love them the way Jesus loves us.

    John 3:17-For God didn’t not send His son into the world to condemn it, but so that the world through Him might be saved….

  • CarSnow
    3 August 2015 at 6:23 pm
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    THIS IS A FALSE STORY!!!!!!! People, do not let the enemies of the Christian church fool you in thinking this is even possible.
    IT IS NOT TRUE….. Hill song doesn’t even have a choir. SHAME ON THOSE SPREADING THIS LIE!!
    They will give God an account for this.

  • Dr. Kris Lord
    3 August 2015 at 6:53 pm
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    Geoffrey Grider,

    You say that Jesus admonished the Jews to keep the law. So, why didn’t Jesus stone the woman caught in adultery? Leviticus 20:10 (NKJV) states: “The man who commits adultery with another man’s wife, he who commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death.” In John 8:1-11, we learn from Jesus that He who is without sin should cast the first stone. Why didn’t Jesus who was the only One without sin cast the first stone? Why didn’t Jesus who you claim admonished the Jews to keep the law do Leviticus 20:10? Why didn’t Jesus do what He commanded be done, namely cast the first stone as He who is without sin?

    Jesus kept the law; but He didn’t keep the law without also keeping grace as we see in this story of the woman caught in adultery.

    God found fault with the law because it couldn’t bring anyone righteousness.

    Hebrews 8:7 states, “For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.” Hebrews 8:13 states, “In that He says, ‘A new covenant,’ He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.”

    Galatians 2:21 states, “I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.”

    Galatians 3:21b states, “For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law.”

    But, there is no law that can give life. The law kills. Jesus gives life. 2 Corinthians 3:6b states, “The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.”

    You need to study your bible again. This time search for Jesus and grace. Stop searching for evil and sin.

    Galatians 5:4 states, “You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.”

    • Geoffrey Grider
      3 August 2015 at 8:14 pm
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      Please use the KJV only when posting Scripture, thanks.

  • Matt
    3 August 2015 at 7:53 pm
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    Still you haven’t shown where Jesus openly condemned sexuality in front of people. I think it is strange that you have to draw a mention to a marshall stack to make a point that isn’t actually making a point. The verse in Matthew isn’t addressing sexuality its addressing Sin in general. The verse in Leviticus is not Jesus talking. So i am slightly confused by your statement

    ” If Pastor Lentz would turn down the Marshall stacks on his platform and open his Bible, he would find exactly where Jesus condemned homosexuality”

    It might just be me, but i would assume one would usually give some form of relivent evidence after saying something like this……

    • Sola Scriptura
      3 August 2015 at 8:21 pm
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      Jesus addressed marriage as being between a man and a woman in Matthew 19. Paul, the greatest believer in my mind, and the author of most of the NT, specifically condemned homosexuality in Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6 and in 1 Timothy 1. That is more than enough for me. Even understanding what God created in the beginning, without Paul’s clear and specific references to homosexuality would be enough. But to be clear, adultery and sex outside of marriage is equally wrong in the eyes of God. 1 Corinthians 6:18-20 and 1 Thessalonians 4:1-8 also make it clear that sexual sin is especially grievous to God because our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit…so if we are going to err, let’s err on the side of holiness. Let us not try to get away with as much as we can since Jesus did suffer mightily for our sin. My belief is that those who want to get away with as much as they can get away with, ain’t saved.

      http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2014/09/18/confronting-sin/

      • ah’
        3 August 2015 at 8:55 pm
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        My belief is that those who want to get away with as much as they can get away with, ain’t saved.

        Believers are saved (by the gospel), unbelievers are not saved. Also sin is sin no matter degree or type, and we are all yet sinners until death or rapture prevails. Salvation does not free us from temptation, only the consequence of sin which is spiritual death. I trust you get my drift here?

        • ah’
          3 August 2015 at 9:35 pm
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          ah’ did not make tis comment.

  • Scott
    3 August 2015 at 8:18 pm
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    What’s wrong with you MRH?
    You continually post in other’s name.
    Are you too damn lazy to delete other’s name and e-mail?
    Don’t you know that we realize it’s you when you post?
    You are deceitful.

    • ah’
      3 August 2015 at 8:43 pm
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      @ Scott: I’m not trying to be deceitful. I’m simply sick and tired of always correcting for the eternal NTEB glitch. Anymore I just comment with whomever pops into my box, and it keeps changing almost every post (glitch is getting worse continually). Geoffrey Grider says they’re working on things, but said it’s a lot of work. He claims should be fixed this week. So we shall see. Anyway, I’m not the only seeming impostor now, many others are doing same thing, and makes for much confusion. I hope you get my honorable drift?

      MRH

      • Scott
        3 August 2015 at 9:01 pm
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        You are being deceitful and your excuse is pathetic!
        You admit that you’re too lazy to delete names etc. and then blame it on Grider.
        You even falsely accused him of harvesting e-mails for the NWO.
        How stupid is that? Grider has had everyone’s e-mail from the beginning.
        Honorable drift? Dude you are stupid.
        Have you no shame that you’re on a Christian site and nobody wants to hear you anymore?
        You have lost all credibility.
        And what’s with all those stupid words you frame at the end of posts? 🙁 😥 😡
        Do you realize how immature that is?
        WE DO!
        Go somewhere else false accuser!

        • Scott
          3 August 2015 at 9:18 pm
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          To MRH –

          You are being deceitful and your excuse is pathetic!
          You admit that you’re too lazy to delete names etc. and then blame it on Grider.
          You even falsely accused him of harvesting e-mails for the NWO.
          How stupid is that? Grider has had everyone’s e-mail from the beginning.
          Honorable drift? Dude you are stupid.
          Have you no shame that you’re on a Christian site and nobody wants to hear you anymore?
          You have lost all credibility.
          And what’s with all those stupid words you frame at the end of posts? 🙁
          Do you realize how immature that is?
          WE DO!
          Go somewhere else false accuser!

          • Geoffrey Grider
            3 August 2015 at 10:48 pm

            Thank you, Scott…appreciate the support.

        • ah’
          3 August 2015 at 9:52 pm
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          @ Scott: You know, I really don’t give a damn what you think of me and how I comment. I’m going to do what I do until Grider fixes the damn glitch as he promised again. As for accusing Grider of harvesting emails for the NWO, I was merely being sarcastic. As for credibility, what does it matter? I’ve never been liked here anyway, as I oppose and correct others comments, plus post crazy video and such. But my purpose is not to appease people but God. NTEB a Christian site? 😆 I think rather a viper site, and there are many snakes here to contend with 😥 As for the emoticons, simply for emphasis 😉

          P.S. If you don’t like my game whimper boy, why not depart? 💡

          • Scott
            3 August 2015 at 10:19 pm

            MRH,

            MRH you are a liar!
            You are a lazy, deceitful liar!
            You said you were being sarcastic?
            Re read your post.
            LIARs don’t appease God as you claim you’re doing.
            You’ve truly exposed yourself as being a lying, deceitful, unsaved hypocrite.

            MRH says:

            August 2, 2015 at 8:45 pm

            Don’t hold your breath 🙁 NTEB seems to be purposefully doing glitch, but for reasons unknown. All I know is that it makes for potential email harvesting, aside from being annoying.
            Dude you are disgusting!

            P.S. Maybe NTEB is working undercover for the NWO?

    • ah’
      3 August 2015 at 10:55 pm
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      MRH you are a liar!
      You are a lazy, deceitful liar!
      You said you were being sarcastic?
      Re read your post.
      LIARs don’t appease God as you claim you’re doing.
      You’ve truly exposed yourself as being a lying, deceitful, unsaved hypocrite.

      Scott, you’re making mountains out of molehills. You self-righteous idiots make me sick! I was being sarcastic also trying to get Griders attention, which it finally did. He seemed to be ignoring things prior, like he didn’t wan’t to deal with issue. And he doesn’t!

      Question: Did Jesus or Paul act like you do blindly accusing me? You should learn to mind your own business, stop being a busybody. As for inadvertent impostor comments just say ‘not my comment’ as others do. FYI my name has also been inadvertently hacked. But do I make a big deal over it? No, I either ignore things or say ‘not me’. That’s the adult approach 😉

      • ah’
        3 August 2015 at 11:09 pm
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        I was being sarcastic also trying to get Griders attention, which it finally did. He seemed to be ignoring things prior, like he didn’t wan’t to deal with issue. And he doesn’t!

        @ Geoffrey Grider: The sooner you fix glitch the sooner impostor issue vanishes 💡 😉

        And what is taking so long? It can’t be that difficult a fix? Back with old site there was never such a problem. Then not long after new site appeared, glitch began occurring. And although some folk complained, all they got was silence. Communication would at least give us some hope 💡 😀

  • Sola Scriptura
    3 August 2015 at 8:33 pm
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    ah’ says:
    August 3, 2015 at 7:49 pm
    All LAW IS DONE AWAY WITH?

    Really …???

    So, it’s ok to murder, steal, etc.?

    ~~~

    You completely miss the point of things 🙁 Our salvation is no longer dependent on following the law. Of course we are still bound by moral laws, but we are no longer under the curse of the law which is death.

    You’re definitely a moron, and have proven that your depth of the knowledge of the Bible is primary, at best.

    And I’m being kind when I say that.

    And …

    Such a kind loving Christian attitude as well 😥

    “For Christ is the END OF the law…” does not, OBVIOUSLY, mean what it appears to mean on the surface.

    Read ALL of Paul 💡 😉

    Spare me your “only what I’ve been told” Jesuit BS.

    I’m NOT a Jesuit 😡

    By the way – I know who is really posting .

    FYI I’m not intentionally trying to hide. I simply comment with whatever contact info pops into my POST A COMMENT box (like are many others doing), and the info keeps changing. It’s a friggin’ hassle trying to always correct things, not worth the headache. I really wish NTEB would fix the damn glitch, as very extremely annoying 😡 😡 😡

    • ah’
      3 August 2015 at 9:09 pm
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      MRH –

      I did not miss the point – YOU DID!

      NOWHERE did I even come close to suggesting that salvation is based on law.

      I simply asked you a question ABOUT law, and you gave a moronic answer.

      SIMPLE AS THAT!

      • ah’
        3 August 2015 at 10:32 pm
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        MRH –

        I did not miss the point – YOU DID!

        NOWHERE did I even come close to suggesting that salvation is based on law.

        I simply asked you a question ABOUT law, and you gave a moronic answer.

        SIMPLE AS THAT!

        I honestly don’t follow you on this one 🙁 You seemed to be implying that we are still bound by the law? And so I posted scripture declaring that the age of the law is over and done. How is that being moronic I kindly ask?

        • ah’
          4 August 2015 at 3:34 pm
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          MRH –

          You stated that God had done away with “all law”.

          ~~~

          If that’s true then why did Paul say –

          “Do we then make void the law of God through faith, GOD FORBID, yea, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.”

          When Paul is all through – he comes to the conclusion that THE LAW IS ESTABLISHED – and NOT done away!

          ~~~

          Yahushua Himself said in Matthew 5:17 –

          “Think not that I’m come to destroy the law … I AM NOT COME TO DESTROY … for until heaven and earth pass, not one jot or one tittle (not the crossing of a t or the dotting of an i) shall pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”

          Heaven and earth are STILL very much with us.

          Yahushua said as long as they last – THE LAW REMAINS.

          I hear some people quote that text in a strange way – They say Christ told us He came not to destroy the law and the prophets, but to fulfill, and they say “to fulfill” means – “to bring an end to” – “to do away with”.

          If this interpretation is true, notice how ABSURD it makes the statement of Yahushua to quote it with that meaning –

          “Think not that I am come to destroy the law and the prophets, I am not come to destroy the law and the prophets, I am not come to destroy but to do away with.”

          I wouldn’t try to put such impossible contradiction into the mouth of Yahushua!

          ~~~

          In Matthew 3:15 Yahushua (to John the Baptist) said that they must fulfill all righteousness.

          I wonder if we are to think that they brought “an end to” – or – “did away with” – all righteousness!

          To fulfill righteousness means to LIVE OUT that righteousness – Not to do away with it.

          Yahushua came to live out the righteousness of God’s law – not to bring an end to it.

          ~~~

          What about this verse that you FOOLISHLY offered as a rebuttal to my question about law?

          “Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;” – Eph 2:15

          First of all – in Ephesians 2 we read about “commandments and ordinances” which were separating a wall between Jews and Gentiles. Such as the ordinance of circumcision. There were some commandments that have to do with ordinances, with ceremony. Colossians 2 tells us about ordinances or decrees which were a shadow of things to come, a symbol of Christ. There were commandments that had to do with types and shadows of Jesus. Those things that illustrated His atonement, etc. There were commandments that told them to bring a lamb and shed it’s blood and sprinkle it on the altar. There were commandments that had to do with the priests in the sanctuary of Old Testament times. Many of these ordinances of the Old Testament were given to God’s people until Christ should come. He was the reality to which the type pointed. When Christ died on the cross as the true sacrifice, all the symbol sacrifices of lambs and etc. came to their end. They had met the object to which they pointed.

          No longer were these commandments THAT WERE CONTAINED IN THE ORDINANCES were to be followed.

          So – the Apostle tells us that the COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES – the bloody sacrifices came to an end when Yahushua died on the cross.

          ~~~

          Like I told you – There are different types of “law” in the Bible – some are no longer valid .

          ~~~

          “The law was nailed to the cross, done away with,” —

          Yes – Certain ones.

          ~~~

          “I’m not under the law but under grace,” —

          Yes – but certain “law” is ESTABLISHED – like Paul states in Rom.3:31 above…

          And will REMAIN until heaven and earth pass away – like Yahushua states in Matt.5:18 above.

          ~~~

          And it is because the UNLEARNED – like you MRH – that MISAPPLY Bible statements about these different kinds of laws that cause people to become confused – and stay confused.

        • Blue
          4 August 2015 at 6:05 pm
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          @ ah’: Are you by any chance a messianic Jew? Your words certainly indicate such. Anyway, the age of the law is over and done. Jesus fulfilled it unto the letter.. all 613 laws and ordinances. From the first 10 commandments unto the sacrificial lamb.

          Mat 5:17-18 KJV – Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

          Jhn 1:17 KJV – For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

          Jhn 19:30 KJV – When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

          Rom 5:20-21 KJV – Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

          Rom 6:14 KJV – For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

          Gal 2:21 KJV – I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

          Gal 3:10-13, 22-29 KJV – For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: … But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

          Gal 5:1, 3-4 KJV – Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. … For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

          Heb 8:6-7, 10-13 KJV – But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. … For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

          P.S. You can pretend to follow the law as much as you wish. But until you repent unto the gospel message of salvation you are living a lie. You cannot save yourself through good works. So I toss the ball in your court regarding salvation 😉

          • ah’
            4 August 2015 at 6:30 pm

            MRH –

            Heaven and earth has not passed!

            You are a complete MORON!

            Goodbye anti-Christ.

  • pablo
    3 August 2015 at 9:03 pm
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    Oro en el nombre de Jesus por la manifestación del reino y su Justicia sobre esta congregación; declaro que la convicción de la verdad viene sobre ellos por el poder del Espiritu Santo; desato palabra de liberacion, resurrecciòn y vida y declaro que el velo se rompe y sus ojos se abren para reconocer la luz de cristo, que en este mismo instante se enciende en el corazòn de las autoridades y miembros de esta congregaciòn; desato el poder de la resurrección de Jesucristo y declaro que en este momento Dios hace nuevas todas las cosas en esta iglesia en el nombre de Jesus Amen

    Gold in jesus’ name for the demonstration of the realm and the Justice of this congregation. declare that I know the truth comes on them by the power of the Holy Spirit. word I unleashed, release and life resurrecciòn and declare that the veil is broken and his eyes are open to recognize the Christ who, at this very moment comes on in heart of the authorities and members of this congregaciòn; I unleash the power of the resurrection of Jesus Christ and declare that is new God makes all things in this church in the name of Jesus Amen

    men

  • Catherine
    3 August 2015 at 10:47 pm
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    For someone who’s voicing such strong opinions against a church’s lack of action- you sure do have a lot of links to many inappropriate & suggestive ads on this page… Clicking to read this article could cause one to stumble you know!

  • God’s girl
    4 August 2015 at 12:21 am
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    This topic is always something so touchy. I feel as though the Christian community is too harsh with the gay or lesbian community most times. Of course Homosexuals should be invited to any church but no have any leadership roles. Leaders and people who go up on stage are role models and children and adults are watching. I think it is definitely the end times. For now, the only thing we do is show them the love that changed us. Jesus please have your way, do your will and show everyone mercy. Let us see with the light that you see us with. As for us, let’s raise our words not our tone of voice. It is rain that grows flowers, not thunder. I stand where I stand, men and woman but sometimes God let’s people see things, things that change everything and people can see the truth. He cares and wants only the best for us.

    • Blue
      4 August 2015 at 2:15 am
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      This topic is always something so touchy. I feel as though the Christian community is too harsh with the gay or lesbian community most times.

      True, as the church is ‘sin’ happy these latter days 🙁

  • David Hunt
    4 August 2015 at 1:03 am
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    The line that ‘Jesus didn’t condemn homosexuality’ is irrelevant, as Jesus said nothing about vandalism or domestic violence either. So He’s okay with those sins, right? Silence is not endorsement.

    • Blue
      4 August 2015 at 1:37 am
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      By the law ALL sin equals death! Stop trying to redefine what is sin or not! We are all guilty of sin until death or rapture prevails!! YOU are NOT pure!

    • Marcus
      4 August 2015 at 1:39 am
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      Folks: By the law ALL sin equals death! Stop trying to redefine what is sin or not! We are all guilty of sin until death or rapture prevails!! YOU are NOT pure!

  • Bill
    4 August 2015 at 1:07 am
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    Foolish, Galatian! Why do you want to place yourself under the Law? Is your face shaven? Have you ever eaten ham, pork, or pepperoni pizza? Quoting Leviticus is flat out ridiculous! Rather, point out the NT Scriptures that condemn any sex outside of the marriage between a man and a woman.

    • Blue
      4 August 2015 at 1:32 am
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      Bill: Jesus fulfilled the whole law (613 total laws). However we still will be judged by our works; good, evil. LGBT is a complicated ‘sin’ issue, like with; booze, smoke, drugs, food, sex, etc. It’s not a black or white game!

  • Marcus
    4 August 2015 at 1:40 am
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    Folks: By the law ALL sin equals death! Stop trying to redefine what is sin or not! We are all guilty of sin until death or rapture prevails!! YOU are NOT pure!

  • Donut Judge
    4 August 2015 at 5:12 am
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    hate the sin, love the sinner. Everyone tries to focus on calling out other ministries when they themselves have trouble in their own. Allow God to work on your heart, the enemy loves that you look elsewhere such as an article to get approval of your name calling.

  • Samantha
    4 August 2015 at 5:59 am
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    The way I see this is that people don’t want those two guys in the choir because they sin differently from the rest of the people in the choir or in the church congregation. Umm….no sin is greater than another. If they’re going to be thrown off the choir, anyone who has lied in that choir ought to be thrown off too. I mean, ‘all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.’ Who knows? Those guys might get saved while still being in that choir.
    Also, just because someone sins differently from others doesn’t make them worse at what they’re doing and doesn’t mean they should be discriminated against. Those guys being gay does not make them terrible choir directors. If they’re considered to be good choir directors then their sexuality should not change that opinion.

    Also, in that picture, that was just a pyramid. Didn’t have an eye on top of it or in it. There are pyramids in Egypt, does that mean that the country is an illuminati filled place?

    Hillsong may seem like a Christian rock concert at the start of each service and that does not just make club-goers feel at home, but it attracts youths. The younger generation engages more with songs of that nature. I’ve never gone clubbing and yet, I feel comfortable at a Hillsong conference and at the church itself. Listen to the words of the songs. Do they sound anything similar to the words of the average song played in a club? The words of the songs on any Hillsong album or performed at any of their churches are songs that praise and worship God.

    I just see this whole post as someone trying to stir up a bit of trouble.

    I refuse to discriminate against someone because of their sexuality and yes, let more gay people go to Hillsong NYC because there is a higher chance of them getting saved there than if they were segregated from every church they tried to visit because as we all know, gay people aren’t welcomed at every single church. We are called to love one another and segregating and discriminating against others and ‘casting the first stone’ because we feel that we are so righteous and without sin is in no way loving one another.

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  • eddie santana
    4 August 2015 at 8:21 am
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    Exactly. Sin is what the bible says is sin. Not “our” idea of sin.

  • edwitness
    4 August 2015 at 8:38 am
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    Samantha,
    You’re kidding, right? You don’t remember the apostle Paul telling the church at Corinth to cast out the man who was having sex with his father’s wife? 1st Cor.5:1-7. This kind of gross sin is not to be tolerated inside the church. Paul said to “deliver such a one unto satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit might be saved in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ”.
    They were proud of their sin just like these at Hillsong. They have no intention of repenting. That is clear in that they said they are happier now that they are “out”. And you are dead wrong. Not all sin is the same. An example is in the fact that Israel was only given over to their enemies when they were in gross idolatry. Not for the lesser sins of lying, cheating, or stealing etc… And the same is true today.
    The right thing to do in this homosexual issue is to “deliver them over to satan for the destruction of the flesh…” It’s what’s best for them and the congregation. And it just so happens to be the will of God.
    Blessings:-}

  • Joycelyn
    4 August 2015 at 8:44 am
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    All of you are complete utter disgraces as Christians and not Christ like in the slightest. I thank God everyday that the Jesus and God I believe in are not the cracked out versions you evangelistic nutsos created. That is all.

  • Jen
    4 August 2015 at 9:50 am
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    The arguments… The images and videos… All of it… It’s scary and makes me a little sad. It also makes me cling to Christ even more…

    I pray Lord, for discernment. For eyes and ears to recognise the wolves in sheep’s clothing. Father, You see and hear everything. I feel safe knowing that. Abba, you have rules, yes. As parents here on earth have rules for their children. It keeps us safe and helps us to know You. Lord, guard our hearts, give us courage, show us Your way. Your will be done. Jesus, in Your name only, Amen.

  • guilherme
    4 August 2015 at 10:28 am
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  • Jugi
    4 August 2015 at 10:31 am
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    Wow, thus is insane. I,ve been listening to them for years, but it also talks about homosexuality in 1Corin 6:9 – Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality,

  • Larry / vietnamvet1971
    4 August 2015 at 10:41 am
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    @ Albert, You are exactly Right REPENTANCE grieving over the SIN and turning from it and detesting it is the formula that JESUS always said PLUS do not return or keep doing that SIN. Our opinion about SIN or what people do or think about SIN, GODS Word is FINAL.

    For Worldly grief works leads to death BUT Godly grief leads to Repentance & Life.

  • char
    4 August 2015 at 10:41 am
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    edwitness: It’s about time somebody came up with the correct comment! Amen. I was wondering when (after 300 comments) someone would say what the Bible tells us. The elders should first come to this person and tell them of their sin, if they don’t stop, then have nothing to do with them. Amen again, edwitness. I think this article has drawn more comments than any other one and it’s so simple. READ THE WORD and you will see that this situation isn’t any different than what was going on in Corinth. Nuff said!

  • Dennis
    4 August 2015 at 11:11 am
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    Nice stone throwing. You should check your facts and get them right

  • Cindy Tracy
    4 August 2015 at 11:22 am
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  • john
    4 August 2015 at 11:25 am
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    a friend posted this article on his Facebook page.
    you better check Hillsong her website. There is absolute not a change that anyone who doesn’t have a biblical lifestyle has a leadership rol at Hillsong. Beside that Hillsong is not illuminati.. This website is bad journalism. Just posting something without checking facts.

  • Brittany
    4 August 2015 at 11:25 am
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    This is simply not true. Check your facts because you start posting “news”. Hillsong has released a statement regarding this.

  • Anonymous
    4 August 2015 at 11:28 am
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  • Ken Etter
    4 August 2015 at 11:43 am
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    and now that many who call themselves Christian and have “spoken” in condemnation, please review the following remarks by the lead pastor at Hillsong:

    I wish to correct reports that Hillsong church has “an openly gay couple directing a choir” at our New York City campus. Hillsong’s position on homosexuality and gay marriage has not changed and is consistent with Scripture. As I have stated previously, I believe the writings of Paul are clear on this subject. Several months ago when one of our choir directors made an unexpected public statement regarding his engagement to a man who sometimes sang in the choir, it was a complete surprise to us as well. It is my understanding that they have not been involved in an active leadership or ministry role since. That said, we still love them and acknowledge that they – like all of us – are on a journey, and our role as a church is to assist them on this journey with grace and compassion.

    http://hillsong.com/media-releases/hillsong-church-statement-by-senior-pastor-brian-houston/

  • Fire from above
    4 August 2015 at 11:45 am
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    The only reason they are posting this “letter” is because the outrage caused by the news, you in your own letter admit that you let gay people coming to Church and participating and worshiping and you are not making any EFFORT to show them the wrong of their ways, if you dont do that you are sending them straight to hell with a hypocrite smile on your face.

    Stop the laugh and tell them that if they dont repent they are going to hell, tough nuggies.

  • Fire from above
    4 August 2015 at 11:48 am
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    So the news was true after all, they were choir leaders for a long while where they were engaged in a homosexual relationship.

  • Rich Rodriguez
    4 August 2015 at 12:09 pm
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    First Hillsong NYC doesn’t have a choir, so this commentary is suspect at best!

  • Jess
    4 August 2015 at 12:33 pm
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    I can only hope your intentions to write this were for good, but it comes across as zeal without knowledge. This article is nothing more than gossip, a tool used by the enemy to cause division in the kingdom. You are not even a church family member of that congregation and yet you publish your assumptions & judgement? Listen, Homosexuals are no different than all you Christian men who look at & use PORN; to straight couples who have sex before marriage or just fondle each other. I’m talking about Christians here, who DO sin. That is the reason they come to church! Because we struggle daily and the Bible says to COME BOLDLY BEFORE THE THRONE OF GRACE, where we can find mercy & help in time of need. The church is supposed to be a place where confused, sick, weak, strong- everyone- can bow before God. Some Christians find themselves asking God for forgiveness of the same sin, daily or weekly- including Pastors & leadership staff. Someone who sings in a choir is not a choir director, BTW. The Bible is such a multi-faceted book and I’m here to remind pseudo-scholars that the Law of Moses was given specifically to the Jews. I do believe marriage was created by God, specifically between a man/woman, because it is marriage that represents the relationship the collective church (Bride) has with Christ (Groom). However, God also did not will Divorce, yet the Law of Moses allowed it. In addition, if the State of NY has legalized marriage for same-sex couples, then those two guys are really engaged. Believe it or not, there are people who truly have an unexplained attraction to the same sex; people who have struggled against those feelings. Have some compassion, please. How are YOU reaching out to the gay community? We as believers have bigger things to worry about than jumping to conclusions & calling out pastors. Unless they are having orgies in church or he’s stealing from people (has no accountability), then do something. BUT….you didn’t even conduct Biblical discipline the way Jesus said to handle it- by going first to the individual. I am just sick of self-righteous zealots.

    • Larry / vietnamvet1971
      4 August 2015 at 1:44 pm
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      You said a LOT but really you said Nothing.

  • Anon
    4 August 2015 at 12:40 pm
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    God’s grace covers you my brother or sister – whoever you are. You are loved by God and forgiven through Jesus Christ as are we all – but that was vicious gossip. Better to sort out our own logs rather than point the finger. Check your own word on gossip next time.

  • Rick
    4 August 2015 at 12:44 pm
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    4 August 2015 at 12:48 pm
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  • Larry / vietnamvet1971
    4 August 2015 at 1:32 pm
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    OK, hillsong people we have read the up date and we hope you tell the Homosexuals it is better to REPENT / ASAP than to keep REJECTING GODS Mercy &n GRACE, but with their Reprobate minds it is almost Impossible for them to know.

  • eddie santana
    4 August 2015 at 1:34 pm
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    In the last days, you will have people that think they can indulge in any sinful activity and it’s ok because they’ve professed Jesus. Point blank, unrepentant sinners cannot be Christians, so your statement that there can be Christian gays is flawed. Christian “former” gays, yes. Practicing gays, no.

    • Larry / vietnamvet1971
      4 August 2015 at 1:42 pm
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      AMEN, people seem to forget that first the homosexual should have GODLY grief for their SIN against GOD then REPENTANCE / Turn from their Sexual Immoral LUST SIN and as JESUS said STOP doing the SIN.

  • not important
    4 August 2015 at 2:23 pm
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    I HIGHLY suggest doing some research before posting an article that is slightly ridiculous & has bad journalism. First off…..SIN IS SIN. ALL sin is weighed the same. NO sin is greater than another sin, they are EQUAL. So tell me what makes the person who loves God but STRUGGLES with homosexuality any different from the heterosexual that also loves God but struggles with fornication, adultery, lying, stealing etc etc?

    As Christians, we may not agree with someone’s lifestyle, BUT we LOVE the crap out of them..exactly how Jesus loved and STILL loves us. We don’t condemn them, or judge them in any way…that will only make matters worse! Jesus loved & accepted everyone when He was here on earth….THE MAN (JUDAS) THAT WAS BORN TO BETRAY HIM WAS EVEN PART OF HIS INNER CIRCLE! I am in no way for homosexuality, but I am not going to sit here, bash them, condemn them, judge them etc. etc.. I am going to PRAY for them & show them the LOVE of JESUS….which in the end will save them. Jesus is behind Salvation & the forgiveness of sin. We plant the seed into ANY sinners life, continue to pray and BE the LIGHT to those people as Jesus works in them. We can’t FORCE someone to repent. We can’t FORCE someone to accept Jesus. We can’t FORCE them to do ANYTHING. God will be the one to make that happen for that individuals life. I have homosexual friends & I treat them NO different because in the end….that is my brother and/or sister in Christ. We are here to be examples of Christ. These comments (some), this article…just ‘trying’ to start problems and gossip with fellow believers…and it’s sad to see to be completely honest. In the end, it’s all about LOVE (Matthew 22:36-40).

    That is all.

    http://hillsong.com/media-releases/hillsong-church-statement-by-senior-pastor-brian-houston/

    http://hillsong.com/collected/blog/2015/08/do-i-love-gay-people/#.VcD_QvNViko

    • ashley
      4 August 2015 at 2:28 pm
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      apologies for the double post. computer froze.

  • ashley
    4 August 2015 at 2:25 pm
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    I HIGHLY suggest doing some research before posting an article that is slightly ridiculous & has bad journalism. First off…..SIN IS SIN. ALL sin is weighed the same. NO sin is greater than another sin, they are EQUAL. So tell me what makes the person who loves God but STRUGGLES with homosexuality any different from the heterosexual that also loves God but struggles with fornication, adultery, lying, stealing etc etc?

    As Christians, we may not agree with someone’s lifestyle, BUT we LOVE the crap out of them..exactly how Jesus loved and STILL loves us. We don’t condemn them, or judge them in any way…that will only make matters worse! Jesus loved & accepted everyone when He was here on earth….THE MAN (JUDAS) THAT WAS BORN TO BETRAY HIM WAS EVEN PART OF HIS INNER CIRCLE! I am in no way for homosexuality, but I am not going to sit here, bash them, condemn them, judge them etc. etc.. I am going to PRAY for them & show them the LOVE of JESUS….which in the end will save them. Jesus is behind Salvation & the forgiveness of sin. We plant the seed into ANY sinners life, continue to pray and BE the LIGHT to those people as Jesus works in them. We can’t FORCE someone to repent. We can’t FORCE someone to accept Jesus. We can’t FORCE them to do ANYTHING. God will be the one to make that happen for that individuals life. I have homosexual friends & I treat them NO different because in the end….that is my brother and/or sister in Christ. We are here to be examples of Christ. These comments (some), this article…just ‘trying’ to start problems and gossip with fellow believers…and it’s sad to see to be completely honest. In the end, it’s all about LOVE (Matthew 22:36-40).

    That is all.

    http://hillsong.com/collected/blog/2015/08/do-i-love-gay-people/#.VcD_QvNViko

    http://hillsong.com/media-releases/hillsong-church-statement-by-senior-pastor-brian-houston/

    • ashley
      4 August 2015 at 3:07 pm
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      and for the record, I do NOT attend Hillsong Church. I have my beliefs based off what the Bible says on how to live & how to treat those you encounter on a day-to-day basis. Just because people strongly disagree with this post does NOT mean we attend a Hillsong Church location. So I kindly ask to respect the opinions of others; as CLEARLY shown on this comment thread…..not all Christians are on the same page.

      • Fire from above
        4 August 2015 at 3:11 pm
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        There is only one position, the same way there is only 1 way to heaven. Repent of your sinful ways and embrace Christ, you CANNOT EMBRACE CHRIST IF YOU DONT REPENT!!! You people of Hillsong are lying to the gays by telling them that Christ loves them the way they are, that they dont need to repent and by no telling them they need to stop practicing the abomination that God condemns in Leviticus, Romans and Tessalonians. Preach them that they need to repent and they need to renounce their sinful ways of life.

        • ashley
          4 August 2015 at 3:40 pm
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          Again…I do not attend Hillsong Church, number 1.

          Number 2: I agree there is only 1 way to Heaven.

          Number 3: So we are lying to the gays saying that Christ loves them the way they are? OK. So basically what you’re saying then is that if you drink, Christ doesn’t love you. If you curse, Christ doesn’t love you. If you have sex before marriage, Christ doesn’t love you. If you listen to non-Christian music, Christ doesn’t love you. If you watch any kind of ‘foul’ TV or movie, Christ doesn’t love you. You look at a man or woman with lust, Christ doesn’t love you. Do I need to continue? HATE THE SIN BUT LOVE THE SINNER. We may not agree with how people live, but we still love them REGARDLESS. And with the strength from God, lead them down the right path, with being an example, praying for the individual, speaking LIFE into them & loving them. But coming against them, forcing them, judging them, shunning them is just doing more harm than good. Listen, we can go back and forth on this topic all day. It will NEVER be settled. No one will ever see eye-to-eye. But again, as stated above, SIN IS SIN. God looks at EVERY SINGLE SIN the same. Jesus died on the cross for our sins. He knew back then EXACTLY what every single person in this world was and IS going to do. Do you not know what Romans 3 says? EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THIS WORLD, Christians too…SINS. We all fall short. We all sin. We all make mistakes. Does that mean the moment we sin, mess up, fall short God turns His back on us & doesn’t love us anymore? Of course not. I know what I believe and WHO I believe in. My God is a LOVING & MERCIFUL God. I mess up daily. And yes, God may not approve or be ecstatic with certain things I do, say or think…but what I know for a FACT is that He still will unconditionally love me; AGAPE LOVE.

          • Fire from above
            4 August 2015 at 3:46 pm

            Amazing how you love to twist words to justify your attitude, re-read what I post, Christ wants them to repent, Hillsong is telling them they dont need to repent, read again and dont twist the words, if they dont repent they are going to Hell. Christ is God and what Leviticus says in 18:22? It says that is an abomination before God the act of homosexuality, so explain to me how God can love something He declared Himself to be an abomination? I am talking about the act of homosexuality. You have to tell them that they need to repent, if you dont tell them that you fail as a watchman.

          • Fire from above
            4 August 2015 at 3:48 pm

            Quoting you
            “Do you not know what Romans 3 says? EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THIS WORLD, Christians too…SINS. We all fall short. We all sin. We all make mistakes. Does that mean the moment we sin, mess up, fall short God turns His back on us & doesn’t love us anymore? Of course not.”

            There is a difference between when a christian sin and when a Non-christian sin do you know it? When you became a Christian Christ forgave ALL, I MEAN ALL your sins, Christ cannot forgive the sins of those who do not believe in Him, because they dont believe in the blood of Jesus Christ.

          • ashley
            4 August 2015 at 4:10 pm

            I’m not twisting words…a comma is used to separate items in a list…so I was simply going off the list of what you said. And I didn’t realize you sat in on the meeting or discussion with these young men or yet alone were with them on there 1-on-1 time with God when they supposedly ‘didn’t repent.’ Can you show me where it says that Hillsong told them not to repent? Or that they didn’t have to repent? I don’t want some so-called ‘news reporter,’ I want it coming from the Pastor(s) themselves.

            In regards to the Leviticus scripture, I can also say the same as in Leviticus 11 with what you can and/or can’t eat. Context.

            And yea, I realize there is a difference between a Christian sinning & a non-Christian sinning…but thanks for the reminder & just making sure. HOWEVER….I believe this article is talking about Christians coming out. Understanding that this most likely turns into a whole ‘this is about homosexuals in general’ conversation where I 100% agree with you that Christ cannot forgive them because they do not know any better. They don’t know the Bible and what is says on how we should be living.

            But sitting here having this debate/conversation on what’s right in Gods eyes is not helping anything or anyone unless you have some insane connection with God where you know every single thing He is doing, thinking, creating etc. on a day to day basis. And like I said before, this is a topic that Church’s/Christians love to pick apart….along with drinking, tattoos and the list goes on. I’ve been apart of the conversations and I have also been a victim of the conversation. No one will ever agree on a final word. No one will ever see eye to eye. We all have different convictions. This situation, among many others, goes on in EVERY church…whether it’s known or not. As long as you read the Bible & in its context & not just for what you want to read/see/believe… then so be it.

  • Michelle Light
    4 August 2015 at 2:38 pm
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    Looks like He has taken a different position on this on the church’s website.

  • Larry / vietnamvet1971
    4 August 2015 at 2:40 pm
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    OK, all you Hillsong people let it GO we have heard you repeat your mantra over & over, now go love your homosexual buddies. All I will tell them is to REPENT / ASAP or BURN.

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    4 August 2015 at 3:08 pm
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    I knew this wasn’t true!!! Shame on you for spreading gossip and strife!!! I’ll never believe anything you publish!

    • Geoffrey Grider
      4 August 2015 at 3:33 pm
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      Oh no, on the contrary, Hillsong published a post today admitting that Josh Canfield was their choir director. What they deny is that they knew he was gay, even though it was printed in the New York Times last year….

  • Follower of Christ
    4 August 2015 at 3:09 pm
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    Father forgive them for they know not what they do. Please remember your servants and continue to help us to teach your whole truth. Help us to love the sinner but hate the sin. Your son was our perfect example and we thank you for Jesus.
    Amen

  • edwitness
    4 August 2015 at 3:47 pm
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    Amen Geoffrey!!

  • Iglesia Hillsong aclara que la pareja de homosexuales ya no forman parte del coro de adoración – Mundo Cristiano
    4 August 2015 at 3:50 pm
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    […] parte del liderazgo de alabanza de la iglesia Hillsong NYC, la fuente original de la nota es esta aquí. Este medio Cristianosaldia.net, reprodujo esa información, la cual pudimos confirmar con otros […]

  • Iglesia Hillsong aclara que pareja de homosexual ya no forma parte del coro de adoración – Mundo Cristiano
    4 August 2015 at 3:51 pm
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    […] parte del liderazgo de alabanza de la iglesia Hillsong NYC, la fuente original de la nota es esta aquí. Este medio Cristianosaldia.net, reprodujo esa información, la cual pudimos confirmar con otros […]

  • edwitness
    4 August 2015 at 3:58 pm
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    How is it possible to have Jesus as Lord and still be a homosexual? I think most of the comments here defending homosexuality are placed here by homosexual activists. And are not Christians at all. No true Christian would ever believe that “Jesus is Lord”means you can continue to live however you choose.
    Blessings:-}

    • Larry / vietnamvet1971
      4 August 2015 at 4:24 pm
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      People need to remember that GOD has given them over to a Reprobate Mind and it is almost Impossible for them to come to the Knowledge & understanding after they reach the point of no return, having given over sounds like given up to me.

  • edwitness
    4 August 2015 at 4:18 pm
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    Well said A O.
    Blessings:-]

  • The truth
    4 August 2015 at 5:19 pm
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    • Larry / vietnamvet1971
      4 August 2015 at 5:39 pm
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      NO one hates you, you sound like a insecure / baby Believer. The Administrator has already posted it for us to read so quit trying to be
      boring.

  • Geoffrey Grider
    4 August 2015 at 6:14 pm
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    It is important to note at this point, after this story had gone viral, that no one was attacked personally in any way. NTEB does not make personal attacks, but we do report on false doctrines and false teachings of churches and church leaders. Not a word was said about the character of any of the people in this story. But when a church as large and as influential as Hillsong has openly-gay people serving in leadership positions, that is something that the Body of Christ needs to know about. To their credit, today’s statements repudiating the LGBT lifestyle, though long overdue, were quite welcome and we applaud Hillsong for doing that. Denying that they knew their choir director was gay, an obvious non-truth, is another matter altogether. Josh Canfield is as openly-gay as any one person can be, a quick trip to his Twitter feed shows you that.

  • Ray
    4 August 2015 at 6:33 pm
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  • carson
    4 August 2015 at 6:38 pm
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    off topic but many comments beg the question, why do some say-wrongly/out of context-don’t judge?

    a summation of the teaching on judging is judge with righteous judgement.
    We’ll judge angels, the world, we’re to decide who and what is bad company so that good morals don’t get corrupted by hanging out with bad company, remove the beam from own eyes THEN see clearly to remove mote from others..a ton of verse on judging.
    Using the verse-don’t judge….by the same measure you’ll be judged, ok, so then judge yourself, when you sin do you call it sin and repent? Yet it’s still sin. So how does the world use-don’t judge? they say calling (a thing they like/promote/hail/hold high) as sin is judging/is bad/wrong..which shows their wrong and they misuse the verse in order that the ordinances of God wouldn’t be spoken anymore, they wish to silence the word and they’d like all to follow along with them/be like them/be of the world. Why do you suppose they wish to silence the word from being spoken, because the word is Spirit and the Spirit brings conviction for one, while those already convicted and repented/received Christ love the word on the otherhand and hearing the word had a role in their salvation didn’t it.

    people say-sin is sin, but we don’t judge..? Well according to the world you just did judge, you said something (and something that the world likes especially) is sin, so which is it? You just judged something as sin yet say-don’t judge. People can’t have it both way’s.
    You can’t judge without info, by appearances, hidden motives and reasons and so on, but that’s not how the world means it when they say it, they mean don’t judge what they love, and the world and flesh loves sin. John 3:19..loving darkness more then the light/Christ.

    Might it be that people who say in the wrong context-don’t judge, are unknowingly caught up in men pleasing, seeking approval of the world etc?
    Something to think on.

    And is there a difference between condemning and judging?
    The often used verse they use-Jesus said those without sin cast the first stone (to them this means don’t judge=don’t call sin sin) fail to apply that He told the woman-neither do I condemn you, go and SIN no more. So He was talking about condemnation, and literal stones too, -neither do I condemn you but notice He also said-SIN NO MORE..He judged her actions as sin.

    And saying-I don’t judge..set’s oneself up as a hypocrite? After all they don’t let their kids hang out with the dope smoking drunken fornicator next door do they? They’ve judged those behaviours/practices as wrong/sin..and how dare they judge if we are to use their own words about judging, how can they judge..
    But the world will let you judge the drunkard, they’ll get angry if you say dope smoking is sin, oh boy they will..it’s all in what’s the latest fad/thing the world/flesh/devil is promoting as if ‘good’..and what is the world promoting as ‘good’ these day’s, what’s the fad..don’t be caught up in or with them.

    To some=step away from seeking to please the world, seeking it’s approval, when the world say’s-don’t judge it’s merely saying-be like them..as they judge all the time/daily. Their really saying judge what they judge, don’t judge what they don’t=be like them. And a big NO to that. To be a friend of the world is enmity with God james 4, called out from the world John 15:19 and many more. And not being ‘friends’ with the world doesn’t mean don’t love those who are lost/apart from Christ, obviously we were all lost/any saved today were once not saved, none are born from the womb a believer/saved and is why any and all must be born again. Not being ‘friends’ has nothing to do with love or is somehow being mean, one can speak the truth with patience and gently with grace and love and yet still not approve of sin nor join themselves with the world’s ways.

    and finally,let your judgement be just, so what is just what is righteous that we can use to use to make wise judgements about things? The Word of God is just and righteous wise, by the word you can make necessary judgements. And the world will rant that your judging..but did you or I give the Word? Did we decide? Did we ordain what is and what isn’t? God gave His Word for all to follow it didn’t come from man, basing things off of the word is a foundation not from us but from God. The world hopes to try to make believers think it’s somehow them making things up when their merely repeating what God has ordained. The world walks contrary to God, be separate from them but call them to repentance and forgiveness of sins and life in Christ…and slow down/think long and hard based in the word on all these ‘popular’ coined phrases today.
    I’ve a whole list of them as food for thought. ‘the power of prayer’..prayer is a living entity? or an action and God is the power, give glory to whom it’s due. ‘change the world’, Christ already did, and prophecy shows the future, so what exactly do they mean, and is it biblical in their meaning? not for all of them, some even are kingdom now/dominion theology. ‘grow the church’, God added to the numbers daily according to the book of acts, born of God, faith a gift repentance too, 1 plants 1 waters God causes the growth, so again what do they mean? grow the church via means of man? with some of them yes. ‘bridge building’, ‘seeking to remain relevant’, ‘feel good’ as opposed to Christ being the only way and truth and faith and true joy and peace…anyway we can all repeat a ton of things today without stopping to investigate/see what’s meant, don’t get caught with the flow and become flotsam and jetsam in the stream of popular trends. One fella from seminary/businessmen’s assoc meeting said he’d learned that morning that-we should be so ‘proud’ to be christians that we go out and preach..I thought, pride? faith repentance-salvation is a gift by grace what do we have that we did not receive..no, we should love and in joy and thankfulness so much that we go out and preach. Is there a difference between love joy and thankful as opposed to pride/proud? again what do we have that we did not receive, 1st cor 4 and if we received such gifts where does pride enter in, pride said I did it, I made it etc. Guard your hearts in the word.

  • Ben
    4 August 2015 at 6:55 pm
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  • Blue
    4 August 2015 at 6:57 pm
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    According to the Word- The sin of homosexuality is part of the Mosaic law!

    ~~~

    Is homosexual relations STILL a sin?

    Has it been done away with?

    (According to you – yes).

    Did I say such isn’t sin or done away with?

    ~~~

    Do homosexuals inherit the Kingdom of God?

    1 Cor. 6:9 says NOT!

    Maybe you should read the context of passage properly? 💡

    1Co 6:9-11 KJV – Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. – Note: the ‘unrighteous’ refers to unbelievers NOT believers.

    Your belief that “all law” has been done away with puts you in opposition of Yahushua and His Word!

    MRH – You are anti-Christ!

    No you are, for you deny the gospel message. Therefore you are still heathen, just a religious zealot type.

  • Terça-feira – Hillsong esclarece que casal gay deixou a direção do coro da Igreja ao assumir noivado | Blog do Adilson Ribeiro
    4 August 2015 at 8:34 pm
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    […] Um estudo recente mostrou que essa é uma das dez igrejas mais influentes do mundo. Conforme já foi anunciado, em breve a denominação deve abrir sua primeira igreja no Brasil. Ainda não se pode dizer se trarão essa teologia “inclusiva’ para cá. Com informações de Now The End Begins […]

  • NTEB Article On Gay Choir Leader At Hillsong NYC Forces Response From Brian Houston | Walker Ministries | Virginia Beach, VA
    4 August 2015 at 8:42 pm
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    […] days ago, on August 2nd, NTEB published an article showing that as recently as January of 2015, Hillsong NYC Church had an openly-out gay church member, Josh […]

  • John
    4 August 2015 at 10:59 pm
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    Your article was not the truth which is misleading.

    • Ivan
      4 August 2015 at 11:14 pm
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      Why you say it is not true? .. Pastor Houston just admited that it was true

  • Ivan
    4 August 2015 at 11:13 pm
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    My question about this article is where is the source for the ent made about pastor Lentz? The comment he made about Jesus never speaking against homosexuals.

  • Brian Anthony Bowen
    4 August 2015 at 11:19 pm
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    I will not presume to “convince” Pastor Brian (or anyone else) that they should change their beliefs about LGBT people and same sex marriage, as well as LGBT serving in Church leadership. But I would encourage ALL Christians to consider a few things:

    When we see all of Christendom fail to teach on the eunuch
    Scriptures, we begin to see a willful intent on the part of the Church (in all
    denominations) to suppress the truths the Eunuch Passages reveal. If this was
    not true, we would expect to find sound, Scriptural and historical definitions
    of Born Eunuchs, as well as in depth, mature and sophisticated expositions concerning
    the prophetic connections throughout Scriptures…..

    …instead, we find NO Christian resources
    defining Born Eunuchs, and we hear ZERO teaching on eunuchs in the Church.

    In fact, it’s so deaf stone silent that we
    don’t even hear these passages quoted in the public debate on same sex
    marriage, such as:

    Matthew 19:11-12

    1 Corinthians 7:8-9

    Luke 17:34

    1 Timothy 4:1-3

    And that’s just on marriage!

    Then there’s the prophetic eunuch passages:

    Isaiah 56

    Esther 1-4

    Daniel 1-3

    Acts 8:25-40 (which we do hear about everyone
    once in a while but isolated from it’s interconnected prophecies such as Isaiah
    56)

    And then there’s all the APPLICABILITY phrases
    from these passages concerning LGBT people receiving Communion, bringing our
    offerings to God’s altar, and our prophetic role in the spiritual life of the
    Christian Church (Isaiah 56), the revelation of Messiah to the Jews (Romans
    11:25-26), the return of Jesus Christ, and ultimately, our bodily resurrection
    from the dead (1 Thessalonians 4:16-18).

    As well as Post Rapture prophecies, such as
    concerns the 144,000 Eunuch Witnesses of Revelation 7 and 14.

    Eunuchs appear from Genesis through
    Revelation, and yet the Church never even “accidentally” teaches on
    them, and there are no writings from the Church Fathers about them either.

    Which means that just because we don’t know
    about any prior challenges concerning same sex marriage, that doesn’t mean the
    upper echelons of Church leadership are unaware of these things.

    They seem to know exactly what NOT to say about
    them.

    And in EVERY denomination of Christianity.

    Isn’t that odd?

    This asks hard questions about LGBT people, and
    reveals what the Bible does (and does not) say about us. I hope it brings a new
    understanding to all who explore them!

    http://brianbowenministries.com/questions-and-answers.html

    • Blue
      4 August 2015 at 11:40 pm
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      A born eunuch would be a failed puberty condition, wherein the gender of the person is both male and female.. intersex is the modern term. My guess is that many LGBT folk are of such curse, else why would they be LGBT in the first place? No normal person would even consider LGBT, only the afflicted lot. Just a little food for thought 😉

  • Joacko7
    5 August 2015 at 12:14 am
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    Im wondering about if this website and Geoffrey Gidder are gonna apologize for difame Hillsong. I dont find neighter a good journalistic value in this article, nor a christian value. If the Josh Candle interview was in January, is not the journalist labor to research if they are still being worship leaders, there are at least 6 months since hat interview. When you say “they are allowed to lead the worship choir during church services,” you imply the are currently leading, the question is: Did you research if they are leading right now? Is not the journalist labor the research and verify information and get at least two sources (that is a journalistic value, as well as a bible value “In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two witnesses is true.” John 8:17). I can show documents where They have not been scheduled for worship during this year. I think a real journalist is who research before to publish information.

  • Rell
    5 August 2015 at 12:43 am
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  • ed
    5 August 2015 at 1:59 am
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    before we are quick to condemn or criticize read this statement by Hillsongs pastor:
    http://hillsong.com/collected/blog/2015/08/do-i-love-gay-people/#.VcGj0iZVhBd

    yes we are definitely living closer to the end but it is not the end. before we go saying anything let’s share Go’s grace fist to all that are around us, let’s be active in serving OUTSIDE THE CHURCH and outside of our comfort zone, and let’s stop criticizing others. I AM SPEAKING TO ALL OF YOU WHO ARE ALL MIGHTY TALK and NO ACTION. LET’S LOVE MORE BY SERVING OTHERS, BY SHARING CHRIST’S LOVE AND FORGIVENESS AND AT THE SAME TIME LET’S STAND FOR WHAT IS BIBLE BASED NOT WHAT THE WORLD WANTS US TO BELIEVE.

    • lechar ph
      5 August 2015 at 3:58 am
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      Praise God.I agree!

  • lacher ph
    5 August 2015 at 3:10 am
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    This article is a HALF TRUTH. ANY HALF TRUTH IS NOT OF GOD but of Satan.

    You might want to read Pastor Brian’s previous release/response regarding gay marriage (see 2nd link below) it’s actually written below the article of the 1st link once you’ve opened it, the title is “Do I Love Gay People”.

    http://hillsong.com/media-releases/hillsong-church-statement-by-senior-pastor-brian-houston/

    2nd link:

    http://hillsong.com/collected/blog/2015/08/do-i-love-gay-people/#.VcGA3XM_7qA

    I love Hillsong for as long as it exalts the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus is the centre of the universe and every knee will bow before Hime and every tongue will confess that He is Lord.

    I could see Jesus in the life of my son because He loves the Lord and that he is an active member of this chruch.

  • Francois
    5 August 2015 at 3:30 am
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    I dont understand the purpose of this website. I don’t see Jesus in this… It would be great if all this effort could be directed towards our great commission given by God – Doing the work of reconciliation. The devil is supposed to be the accuser of the brethren. Come on! One church!

    • lacher ph
      5 August 2015 at 3:34 am
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      Amen!
      We are peacemakers in Christ.We are not in this world to condemn bur to show His light!

  • Lovely
    5 August 2015 at 6:07 am
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  • paradoxgnaw
    5 August 2015 at 7:31 am
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    Let the persons who like their own gender come to church. Do not let them be a part of the worship team, prayer meetings, leadership or any such thing that is only for the believer. Many of them already know that it is a sin to do what they do. Treat them as you would like to be treated yourself. Show grace to them since this is the time of grace. Preach Gods good news to them. Don’t jump on them at once with this homosexuality thing because they have done other sins too like the rest of us.

  • edwitness
    5 August 2015 at 8:24 am
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    Ken Etter,
    That’s not even close to what Paul said to do about those who would flaunt their sin in the church. But, his statement is better than what the homo said the situation was. Hopefully that “pastor” will read and incorporate Paul’s instruction to the Corinthian church.
    Blessings:-}

  • edwitness
    5 August 2015 at 8:48 am
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    Jess,
    The state, any state, has no say as to the legality of any marriage. God created marriage and no man can or will change God’s definition of what marriage is. The state sanctioning of queers and their “vows” means nothing in God’s economy except that the state has become completely reprobate. And will be judged accordingly.

    • ah’
      5 August 2015 at 4:50 pm
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      edwitness –

      NOT TRUE!

      The State does have a say in “legal” marriage.

      ~~~

      When two people sign a marriage license (contract) they become “in joinder” (join in) to the contract WITH THE STATE.

      ~~~

      Marriage License

      A 3-Party Contract

      ~~~

      What people fail to realize with these procedures for marriage given by the Government unto States is that, when you marry with a marriage license, you grant the State jurisdiction over your marriage. When you marry with a marriage license, your marriage is a creature of the State, it is a corporation of the State, therefore, they have jurisdiction over your marriage including the fruit of your marriage, in which the fruit of your marriage is your children and every piece of property you own. When you marry with a marriage license, you are not just marrying your spouse, but you are also marrying the State. With This Ring I Thee Wed, is of the state and is found in most county courthouses in many States. That phrase was published by the State Bar Association. They don’t tell you that when you repeat your vows, you enter into a legal contract, in which there are three parties to that contract, with the first being you, the second being the person you are marrying, and the third being the State you marry in. See the State and the lawyers know that when you marry with a marriage license, you are not just marrying your spouse, you are marrying the State, thus giving undue jurisdiction to the State. The marriage license invades and removes the Most High given parental authority. When you read the Bible, you see that the Most High intended for children to have their father’s blessing regarding whom they married. Daughters were to be given in marriage by their fathers (Dt. 22:16; Ex. 22:17; I Cor. 7:38). Why do you think when couples get married today, the father is suppose to be present to walk his daughter down the aisle?

      See man knows what the Word of the Most High says, so he incorporates a little of it into his own agenda and personal desire, to give his method of marriage some credibility. It is a known fact that, there was no requirement to obtain a marriage license in colonial America, nor in the bible. When you read the laws of the colonies and then the states, you see only two requirements for marriage, with the first being that, you had to obtain your parents permission to marry, and second, you had to post public notice of the marriage 5-15 days before the ceremony. In the bible, the man had to obtain the father’s permission, make some sort of payment for marrying his daughter, leave his father in laws house and prepare a place for his soon to be wife to live, and after a year, he would return and take unto him his wife, marriages were also put on public notice in advance.

      You won’t find nowhere in the bible where a man ever decided to take a wife, and had to go buy a engagement ring or wedding ring, nor will you find where a man had to acquire a marriage license, nor will you find where a man had to go before a preacher, or county clerk or sheriff or county judge just to be married, this Pagan doctrine was instituted by man, to replace the parental right of the Father, with the philosophy of man. Why do you think the man is sought after for child support and spouse support? The government knows how to break down a man, and replace him with Welfare and child support as being his children’s father, they do as Satan did with Eve and put the woman over the man, therefore crippling him not only financially, but spiritually, by putting him in a position as the weaker vessel and subject to the authority of his wife, that’s totally against the order of the Most High.

      To further cement this doctrine of acquiring a license to marry, the Roman Catholic Church setup seminary schools, to also indoctrinate and empower those who desired to become preachers, the authority and permission to act as divine authority figures in regards to marriage. Most preachers who are under seminary delusion, have no idea that when they are marrying someone with a marriage license, they act as a agent of the State rather than a man of the Most High. Why, because they would have to sign the marriage license, and would have to mail it into the State, in which doing this is giving the State’s demand to usurp the place of the Most High and family regarding marriage, thus instituting into the Union of Marriage created by the Most High, it’s unbiblical and immoral laws to govern marriage. So the so called preacher of the Most High, is really committing treason against the Most High, by acting as an agent representing the laws and commandments of the State. A marriage license is a three-party contract between the man, woman, and the State known as an adhesion contract. An adhesion contract is one which is extremely one-sided, grossly favoring the State.

      When a couple applies for a license from the State to marry, they are actually asking for permission to engage in the “unlawful” activity of marriage (License – a revocable permission to commit some act that would otherwise be unlawful – Black’s Law 7th ed). Why, because the State can regulate that which it licenses, by entering into a State-sanctioned franchise (marriage) as a married couple, a couple forfeits their rights to a private, sovereign marriage and any ownership control of their children or property; as a result of the marriage license. Child Protective Services receives its full power and authority to seize children via the marriage license under the ancient legal doctrine of parens patriae. When a State-licensed married couple has a child, the Birth Certificate is the document the State uses to claim ownership of the child under its marriage contract. State ownership remains as long as that child lives, even after the age of 21. If you have a birth certificate, the State owns you too. Couples married under a state-sanctioned marriage license also give up 1/3 of their property to the state. Should one person die, the government, through the inheritance tax, will demand the surviving party to “buy them out” – usually a 28- 35% tax.

  • edwitness
    5 August 2015 at 8:59 am
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    Good job Geoffrey,
    This report calls out the pastor. It forces him to make a decision as to whether he is going to receive praise from God rather than man. Hopefully he will now choose to do things consistent with the God he says he represents.
    Blessings:-}

  • edwitness
    5 August 2015 at 9:14 am
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    ah,
    Any person who calls himself a Christian who lives his Christianity by the keeping of the law is an adulterer. Rom.7:1-6. Especially notice vs.3; “So then if, while her husband(the law) lives, she be married to another man(Christ), she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband(the law) be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man(Christ). Vs.4 Wherefore my brothers, you also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that you should be married to another, even to Him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.”
    According to vs.4 you can’t even bring forth fruit unto God unless you are first dead to the law. And vs.7 makes sure we understand what law Paul is talking about. He says the 10th of the 10 commandments in reference to the law that we should be dead to.
    GRACE AND LAW DO NOT MIX!
    Blessings:-}

    • ah’
      5 August 2015 at 1:21 pm
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      NOWHERE in my posts have I even remotely suggested that Christians are still “under the law”!

      NOWHERE!

      ~~~

      One person claimed that all of God’s law had been DONE AWAY WITH.

      That statement is not true.

      NONE of God’s law has been done away with (Matt. 5:17).

      ~~~

      By saying that – I am NOT saying “We are still under the law” –

      I’m ONLY saying that “law still exists”.

      ~~~

      “The true function of the Divine Law: to detect and condemn sin, both before and after Justification.”
      (Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges)

      Still TODAY – It is law that convicts us of sin.

      ~~~

      By the shed blood of Yahushua on the cross we are delivered from the CURSE of the law, and therefore we are no longer “under the law”.

      The relation of law to sin – is how law prepares the soul for emancipation in Christ from the dominion of sin.

      ~~~

      As per Rom. 7:1-7 :

      Verses 7-25. – (b) The relation of law to sin, and how law prepares the soul for emancipation in Christ from the dominion of sin. In the section of the argument which begins at Romans 7:1 we have seen that the idea of being under sin has passed into that of being under law, in such apparent connection of thought as to identify the positions. The apostle, seeing that readers might be perplexed by such identification, now, in the first place, explains what he has meant by it. Is the Law, then, sin? No, replies the apostle; the Law itself (with especial reference to the Mosaic Law as the great and authentic expression of Divine law) is holy; and its connection with sin is only this – that, in virtue of its very holiness, it convinces of sin, and makes it sinful. And then, to the end of ch. 7, he goes on to show how this is by an analysis of the operation of law on human consciousness.

      He presents to us a vivid picture of a man supposed at first to be WITHOUT LAW, and THEREFORE UNCONSCIOUS OF SIN; but then, THROUGH LAW COMING IN, acquiring a sense of it, and yet unable to avoid it.

      The man assents in his conscience to the good, but is dragged down by the infection of his nature to the evil. He seems to have, as it were, two contrary laws within himself, distracting him. And so the external Law, appealing to the higher law within himself, good and holy though it be, is, in a sense, killing him; FOR IT REVEALS SIN TO HIM, and makes it deadly, but DOES NOT DELIVER him from it, till the crisis comes in the desperate cry, “O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?” (ver. 24). But this crisis is the precursor of deliverance; it is the last throe preceding the new birth; THE LAW HAS DONE IT’S WORK, having fully convinced of sin, and excited the yearning for deliverance, and in “the LAW of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus” the deliverance comes. How it comes is set forth in ch. 8, where the state of peace and hope, consequent on deliverance through faith in Christ, is portrayed in glowing terms, so as thus to complete the subject which we announced as being that of the sixth, seventh, and eighth chapters, viz. “the moral results to believers of the revealed righteousness of God.”

  • edwitness
    5 August 2015 at 9:42 am
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    Brian,
    Eunuchs are not queers. They have no sex at all. And there are no scriptures that say that deviants like “lgbt” take communion either.

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    5 August 2015 at 9:48 am
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    […] parte del liderazgo de alabanza de la iglesia Hillsong NYC, la fuente original de la nota es esta aquí. Este medio Cristianosaldia.net, reprodujo esa información, la cual pudimos confirmar con otros […]

  • eddie santana
    5 August 2015 at 9:50 am
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    Yep. And isn’t it interesting that we have a “Roman” Catholic Church.

  • eddie santana
    5 August 2015 at 10:56 am
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    You’re a piece of work mister.

  • Tyler Newberry
    5 August 2015 at 11:25 am
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    • Geoffrey Grider
      5 August 2015 at 11:50 am
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      No, our story is 100% true and accurate. In those links you post, Hillsong ADMITTED that ultra-gay Josh Canfield was indeed their NYC choir leader. Then they LIED when they said that they were “unaware” that he was gay, even though Canfield had already gotten ENGAGED to a man on national television, and posts pro-gay tweets on his Twitter account. It is not humanly possibly, by even the wildest stretch of the imagination, that Hillsong was “unaware” Canfield was gay. So why did they lie?

  • eddie santana
    5 August 2015 at 1:41 pm
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    Thanks for the info. I wasn’t doubting what you were saying, my post was pretty clear. It would ad more credibility with a full name. I understand with privacy concerns, though. I don’t need vital statistics, so your sarcasm was clever, but unnecessary. 😉

  • char
    5 August 2015 at 3:15 pm
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    WE HAVE EXHAUSTED THIS ARTICLE 400 TIMES OVER. I’M TIRED OF IT. ALL YOU PEOPLE ARE DOING IS ARGUING ABOUT THE SUBJECT, WHEN ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS AGREE TO DISAGREE AND GO ONTO SOMETHING ELSE. I WILL NOW UNSUBSCRIBE TO THIS ONE ARTICLE.

  • Brian Anthony Bowen
    5 August 2015 at 5:14 pm
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    The Bible Ordains Same Sex Marriage!
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  • eddie santana
    5 August 2015 at 8:18 pm
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    That’s idiocy. Go away.

  • edwitness
    5 August 2015 at 9:16 pm
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    ah’,
    You are absolutely wrong! The law does not have one thing to do with salvation, before, during, or after. The Christian is under grace and the unbeliever is under judgment because he does not know Jesus. Not because he can’t measure up to the standard of the law. The law of Moses was only for Israel in the OT. Romans 2:14 tells us that Gentiles do not have the law. Never have, never will.
    The only thing that keeps a person out of Heaven is not knowing Jesus personally.
    Quote all the scripture you want and you can never place the world as having any responsibility to keep the law. It was only for the nation of Israel in the OT.
    Blessings:-}

  • edwitness
    5 August 2015 at 9:26 pm
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    ah’,
    The state only has the power you give it. Don’t go to them for approval. They are illigitimate anyway. The SCOTUS ruling is proof of that.
    Blessings:-}

  • edwitness
    5 August 2015 at 9:29 pm
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    Brian,
    You are a filthy lying queer destined for hell if you don’t repent. And so is your queer friend.

    • Brian Anthony Bowen
      5 August 2015 at 11:56 pm
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      I have been a Christian since 1977, and I have been celibate nearly 10 years.

      Maybe you should ASK instead of ASSuming.

      • Kelly
        6 August 2015 at 12:16 am
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        Maybe you should ASK instead of ASSuming.

        Brian: Most folk here ignorantly thrash things beyond their understanding 🙁

        P.S. Aside from a brief forced normal type relationship, I’ve been celibate my entire life. And have been a Christian since childhood 🙂

        • Brian Anthony Bowen
          6 August 2015 at 12:24 am
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          Nice to meet you, Kelly. Indeed many folks believe they have to paint LGBT people as they think of us, instead of as whom we truly are.

          • Kelly
            6 August 2015 at 1:18 am

            Hi Brian 🙂

            If you wish please contact me: mkhodge@sonic.net

            We could discuss much in safer zone? 💡 😉

            Mark (MRH)

            P.S. I’m NOT Kelly, just using varied names unto eternal NTEB comment contact glitch 😡

  • Brian Anthony Bowen
    5 August 2015 at 10:56 pm
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    If you do not believe Born Eunuchs includes LGBT people, then whom do you believe Born Eunuchs are instead?

    And other related questions, which are all based on the Eunuch Scriptures (which the Church just happens to never teach on):

    1) Who are the “DUMB, GREEDY, BLIND SHEPHERDS who CANNOT UNDERSTAND” in Isaiah 56?
    http://brianbowenministries.com/pharisees-anonymous-12-step-recovery-program.html

    2) Who are the Eunuchs of Isaiah 56? Why doesn’t the Church talk about them?
    http://brianbowenministries.com/its-not-about-the-gay-its-about-the-day.html

    3) Why does God refer to Eunuchs as sons AND daughters in Isaiah 56?
    http://brianbowenministries.com/4-messengers-of-the-king.html
    and
    http://brianbowenministries.com/ch-1-eunuch-births.html

    4) Why doesn’t the Church seek Eunuch Offerings God promised to accept in Isaiah 56?
    http://brianbowenministries.com/20-fire-from-heaven.html

    5) Where is the memorial in Church God promised to give Eunuchs in Isaiah 56?
    http://brianbowenministries.com/ch-1-eunuch-births.html

    6) Why doesn’t the Church quote God’s Eunuch Prophecy in Isaiah 56 even though Jesus did?
    http://brianbowenministries.com/doctrines-demons-teach.html

    7) Why did Jesus quote the Eunuch Prophecy in Isaiah 56 when clearing the Temple in Mark 11:17-18?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7IKBGbXo9A

    8) Why did Jesus define BORN Eunuchs as neither celibate nor castrated in Matthew 19:11-12?
    http://brianbowenministries.com/1-born-this-way.html

    9) Why did Jesus exempt BORN Eunuchs from heterosexual marriage in Matthew 19:12?
    http://brianbowenministries.com/2-god-sanctioned-gay-marriage.html

    10) Who are the BORN Eunuchs Jesus taught about in Matthew 19:1-12?
    http://brianbowenministries.com/born-eunuch-reborn-unique.html

    11) Why does the Church ignore BORN Eunuchs even though Jesus taught on them?
    http://brianbowenministries.com/3-for-the-kingdom-of-heaven.html

    12) Who are the non-heterosexual people Paul ordained marriage for in 1 Corinthians 7:8-9?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JaL9hpUD3I

    13) Who are the folks that forbid people to marry in 1 Timothy 4:1-3?
    http://brianbowenministries.com/doctrines-demons-teach.html

    14) Why does God create LGBT people?
    http://brianbowenministries.com/4-messengers-of-the-king.html

    15) Why did Paul say when a MAN leaves a marriage, sometimes it is a MAN who remains in 1 Corinthians 7:15? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUNRqiS2qDA

    16) Why did Jesus say: In that night there will be TWO MEN in ONE BED in Luke 17:34?
    http://brianbowenministries.com/2-men-in-1-bed.html

  • Kelly
    5 August 2015 at 11:46 pm
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    The three rules of Bible study are context, context, and context.
    When Jesus said “It is finished”, it was in context of His finished work during His first advent.
    He still has more work to do and He will accomplish that work when He returns, as prophesied.
    When He returns, He will then fulfill all the law, and at some point after that He will create a new heaven and earth.
    This is why when He said, “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”

    ‘Till heaven and earth pass’ is a time indicator, that tells us when all law will be fulfilled.

    All law will not be fulfilled ‘Till heaven and earth pass’.

    If Jesus had fulfilled all law on the cross, then Paul’s statement “Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law” would be counter to the truth if Jesus had indeed fulfilled all law on the cross because Paul’s statement came after Jesus’ crucifixion.

    @ Allen Somerford: If that is true, then why did Paul state..

    Rom 3:21 KJV – But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

    Rom 8:4 KJV – That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

    Rom 10:4 KJV – For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

    P.S. This means that salvation is no longer gained by the law. This does not mean that we are not sanctified by the law, at least the moral aspects. Salvation comes first (by obeying the gospel) followed by a lifetime of purification, which will fluctuate. However we are sealed by the Spirit, and that seed cannot be touched by others or ourselves. It’s the gift of eternal life, which is our redemption ticket. Do you not understand my drift here?

    • Allen Somerford
      6 August 2015 at 1:13 pm
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      God’s Word is Law.

      God’s Word, the Bible, is a LEGAL WRIT, all of it.

      Most Christians view “law” as oppressive intellectual ABSTRACTIONS rather than as a personal relationship.

      These destructive tendencies lead us to question the Psalmist and say “surely the Bible is not so important.” We think we want to have a more “personal” relationship with God. But in fact, without Law, we have no relationship with God at all. If you want to know about a person’s “relationship” with God, find out about his relationship to God’s Law.

      “Law,” is nothing more than a RELATIONSHIP between a superior being and an inferior being. It is the nature of the word spoken by a lord to his servants. And if we understand the function of language we will understand why every Word of the Covenant Lord of Scripture is “Law.”

      To know God is to know His Law. God Himself necessarily acts as Law to all beings other than Himself. To be Lord is to be the Giver and Ultimate Enforcer of Ultimate Law. Thus Scripture speaks of God’s nature as Word, as Name, as Light. To obey the Law is to obey God Himself. God’s Law, therefore, is divine — divine in authority, power, eternality, and ultimacy.

      We cannot know God without knowing Him as Law.

      God’s Law, then, is God Himself.

      Every word of a sovereign is law!

      This is why we use the terms “God’s Word” and “God’s Law” interchangeably; they are synonymous. We cannot limit “law” to those statements which begin with “Thou shalt” or “thou shalt not.”

      Every utterance by a lord must be received as “law” by every vassal under the jurisdiction of that sovereign.

      In our grammar classes we tend to group all sentences into a few basic categories: “Declarative,” “Interrogative,” “Imperative,” and “Exclamation.”
      •A declarative sentence is of the form, “This is a wart.”
      •An interrogative or question takes the form, “Is this a wart?”
      •The imperative is a command: “Don’t fiddle with your wart.”
      •An exclamation is a more or less ecstatic utterance: “Oh, how I love my wart!”

      Exclamations have exclamation points. Interrogatives end with a question mark.

      This division is inadequate. Consider the statement by a parent to his child: “I don’t want this picture touched.” The form is declarative. Strictly construed, this tells us something about the existential state of the parent. But we must recognize that the statement of a parent to a child is the statement of a sovereign to a vassal.

      The function of the parent’s statement for a Godly child is imperative: When a child hears a parent say “I don’t want this picture touched,” the child understands, “Don’t touch this picture,” and the child keeps a safe distance from the picture in order to respect the wishes of a superior.

      When we approach Scripture we must recognize that every Word is God-breathed; every Scripture is the Word of an Absolute God, our Ultimate Sovereign.

      If we do this we will see that every Word of God is a Law-Word.

      Every Word has an imperative function for the Godly man. If we wish to follow the Psalmist, and be a “man after God’s own heart,” we must learn how to worship God’s Law.

      Every verse in the Bible demands some kind of response from us.

      In theology there exists the same tendency as we experienced in our grammar classes: we group the Scriptures into a few basic categories: “Law,” “History,” “Song,” “Proverb,” “Prophecy,” etc.

      We must not let these categories obscure the imperative function of the Word of our Sovereign God.

      We must remember all Scripture is Law, and must be used as such.

      “All Scripture is given by inSpiration of God…”, (II Timothy 3:16-17).

      ALL Scripture.

      Notice how the Bible authors refer to ALL of the Bible as “Law”: In John 15:25 a Psalm fulfills a prophetic function but is still labeled “Law.”

      In I Corinthians 14:21 the prophecy of Isaiah is called “Law,” and in I Corinthians 14:34 an obscure reference to perhaps Genesis 3:16 (or some other historical narrative) is called “Law.”

      All Scripture is Law. Every Word of God is Law.

      Examples of how sovereign speech has an imperative function:

      Suppose that you are a court jester, serving in the court of a great king. The king, in all his majesty, heaves a sigh in your presence and declares,

      “I wish someone could make me laugh.”

      You, as a jester, sit there and analyze the king’s words.

      You dissect the statement and consider the role of the various parts of speech: the pronoun, the verb; the subject, the object.

      You reflect on the precise definition of the words as employed in their grammatico-historical context.

      You formulate a linguistic hypothesis and test it against the literature of the day, in conjunction with current advances made by the leading semanticists of the kingdom.

      You reach a conclusion, which you announce to the king:

      “You, sir, have made a “declarative” statement, and I believe with all my heart, all my mind, and all my soul, that you do indeed wish that someone could make you laugh.”

      Pleased with yourself, and recognizing that scholastically you place in the ninety-ninth percentile of all court jesters, you are surprised to find some moments later that your head has been embarrassingly detached from the rest of your body by the king’s guillotine.

      You see, you failed to consider the imperative nature of ALL sovereign language.

      The king was not informing you (although, to be sure, you were informed of a truth); you should have reacted to the king’s utterance as you would a command.

      The declaratives of the sovereign function as imperatives; as law.

      Your reaction to the words of a sovereign reflect your attitude toward the sovereign himself.

      Do you love and reverence the king? Then you will obey his word, even when he doesn’t say “Thou shalt….”

      Another example: The king, obviously bored, says in the presence of the court,

      “When are we ever going to have a party?”

      Two responses can be made by the court attendants:

      They may diligently search and inquire, and, failing to discern the answer, reply to the king, “We do not know, your glory,” at which point they may suffer the same embarrassing fate as the court jester above.

      Or they may recognize that the king’s interrogatory was not just the asking of a question. To be sure, the king asked a question, and it demands an answer. But we must also remember that it was THE KING who asked it, and the words of the sovereign function as law.

      The correct “answer” to the king’s “question” is “Immediately, your highness!!” accompanied by swift movements in the direction of the royal caterer.

      Seeing all of God’s Word as His Law is really nothing more than an elementary implication of the concept of worship.

      By “worship” we don’t mean “a set of rituals or an ecclesiastical liturgy.”

      The ceremonies offered in Old Testament Jerusalem are no longer an appropriate way to offer Spiritual worship to God (John 4:21,23).

      All the Words of our KING are holy and legal writ.

      Everything He said is law. ALL of it.

      Jesus said He came not to abolish the Law or the Prophets, that is, the Holy Scriptures.

      The word Law here clearly points to the entire OT.

      ” Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil (Jesus came to fulfill the prophecy of His own Word/law).

      For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law (OT), till all be fulfilled.”

      Not one jot or tittle will pass from the law (God’s Word/Law) till all (God’s Word) be fulfilled.

      This verse does not state, as it is sometimes interpreted, that every regulation in the Old Testament law remains binding after the coming of Jesus.

      All of God’s Word has not been fulfilled, yet.

  • eddie santana
    6 August 2015 at 8:42 am
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    The problem with teaching on any facet of the LGBT group is that if you justify one, they want you to justify them all, and you just can’t do that. It’s one thing if you’re born with both sex organs, and another if you just think or feel that you’re the wrong sex, or want to have same-sex relationships.

    • Kelly
      6 August 2015 at 10:13 am
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      It’s one thing if you’re born with both sex organs, and another if you just think or feel that you’re the wrong sex, or want to have same-sex relationships.

      @ eddie santana: The fact remains, no normal gendered person would remotely desire LGBT game! Why would they? Only the born afflicted (victims of birth curse), or demon possessed would (drunks, media recruits?). In a normal situation we think or feel whom we are? Also LGBT is still much more rare than one might think. Fact: 99% of the populace are of normal gender. I’m not (born eunuch.. hermaphrodite aspect), but then I make up the 1% afflicted factor. And whether we know it or not, we are mostly born abnormal gender victims! Below is my story 💡

      http://www.singsnap.com/karaoke/member/hermaphroditus

      But the real problem here isn’t rare LGBT folk, but rather the Barack Obama expose game (magnifying dark corners). In fact before Obama, LGBT was never a pubic issue. Nor was; Islam, abortion, booze, smoke, drugs, porn, etc. Obama is a demon and the Antichrist! If you haven’t figured that out by now, then welcome to the lost lot. Fact: 99% of population are blind bats!

      Fact: Obama is a; murderer, liar, thief, deceiver, homosexual, druggie, smoker, drinker, etc. And he is destroying America from within, and working unto Islamic dictatorship! Obama has proven power things by breaching congress? And God is allowing him such atrocities unto prophetic factor (Daniel, Paul, John)!

      As for Obama’s continued presence after 2016 elections, I suspect he will switch unto his UN throne (the NWO hub). And pope Francis is his appointed global successor. It’s a demonic enterprise we all blindly dwell under! And those left behind (post rapture lot) will be faced with horrors beyond nightmares! All events are predicted in money and media, just as with 911!

      Tip: Examine the bigger picture friend, NOT just magnified fragments 💡

  • Abigail Sanders
    6 August 2015 at 1:44 pm
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    Allen Somerford, I feel sorry for you with all your legalistic jargon. Perhaps one day you will come to realize that God’s Word is a love story. Jesus is my beloved, my friend, my spouse, my Saviour, my Lord…it’s intimacy that God desires more than obedience to a legal writ. The law is hard…written on stone, but God is tender, merciful, forgiving, full of grace and truth. Truth is on the side of grace…not on the side of law.

    John 1:17 – For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

  • Allen Somerford
    6 August 2015 at 1:51 pm
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    Wow!
    Listen, hear that sound?
    It’ the sound of comprehension flying over your head.

  • Hasiniavo
    6 August 2015 at 2:08 pm
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    CHRISTIAN ARE YOU?? WHY DO YOU JUDGE??

    Pastor Brian Houston from Hillsong church said:

    “I wish to correct reports that Hillsong church has ‘an openly gay couple directing a choir’ at our New York City campus. Hillsong’s position on homosexuality and gay marriage has not changed and is consistent with Scripture. As I have stated previously, I believe the writings of Paul are clear on this subject. Several months ago when one of our choir directors made an unexpected public statement regarding his engagement to a man who sometimes sang in the choir, it was a complete surprise to us as well. It is my understanding that they have not been involved in an active leadership or ministry role since. That said, we still love them and acknowledge that they – like all of us – are on a journey, and our role as a church is to assist them on this journey with grace and compassion.”

  • Maripaz Custodio
    6 August 2015 at 9:29 pm
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    Unrepentant? So what? In the end, we will repent because we belong to Jesus. Our job is to love one another because God loves everyone and each will have a chance to repent.

  • eddie santana
    6 August 2015 at 11:01 pm
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    That’s how people skirt issues, saying Christianity is all about loving each other and everything else be damned. There’s more to Christianity than loving people.

    • MRH
      6 August 2015 at 11:28 pm
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      @ eddie santana: Christianity is a relationship with God, NOT a world religion. And part of that relationship is loving other people 😉

      Jhn 13:34-35 KJV – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

      P.S. There is little love expressed in these blogs, just too much religion 🙁

  • edwitness
    7 August 2015 at 2:20 am
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    Brian,
    Eunuchs, born that way or otherwise, are not queers. You lying and deceived pathetic excuse for a man.

    • MRH
      7 August 2015 at 2:45 am
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      edwitness: A born eunuch is an abnormal condition, involving changes in body chemistry and structure. Which can affect ones sexuality among other things.

  • edwitness
    7 August 2015 at 5:12 am
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    Allen,
    Paul wrote in Rom.7:1-6 that anyone who relates to God according to the law is an adulterer.
    Nothing you wrote can get around that. It’s not supposed to.
    The problem with the law is not that it isn’t holy, just, and good. It’s that it can not give life. Only knowing Jesus Himself, the person, will give you eternal life. Gal.3:21.
    He said “I am the way, the truth, and the life…” That’s why when He judges you He will either say “Away from me for I never knew you” or “Enter into the joy of thy Lord.”
    God is love, not law!
    Blessings:-}

  • Hillsong, Homosexuality, Internet Rumors and Spiritual Clarity — Charisma News | NUHISON
    7 August 2015 at 12:04 pm
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    […] a lot we can learn from this week’s viral internet accusation that Carl Lentz, pastor of Hillsong NYC, allowed an openly homosexual couple to participate in and […]

  • Len
    7 August 2015 at 9:33 pm
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    I didn’t know that.

  • Hillsong Homosexuality, Internet Rumors, and Spiritual Clarity – What We Can Learn | BCNN1 – Black Christian News Network
    7 August 2015 at 10:07 pm
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    […] a lot we can learn from last week’s viral internet accusation that Carl Lentz, pastor of Hillsong NYC, allowed an openly homosexual couple to participate in and […]

  • t
    8 August 2015 at 5:15 pm
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    By leaving this story/ article/posting on the website its as if you are promoting it for them. If you are gonna do stories on the devils agenda please don’t continue to leave it out for everyone to see for days to come. We are tired of seeing pics like this in our face all of the time which are contrary to the Word of God.

  • Brian Anthony Bowen
    8 August 2015 at 6:10 pm
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    CONSIDER

    I. NOBODY is going to be resurrected until Jesus returns!
    1 Thessalonians 4:16-18

    II. Jesus won’t return until all written concerning him
    in the law of Moses,
    and the Prophets
    and the Psalms are fulfilled
    Luke 24:44

    III. Romans 11:25 can’t come to pass
    until Isaiah 56:8 comes to pass
    Lest you be self-opinionated (wise in your own conceits),
    I do not want you to miss this hidden truth and mystery, brethren:
    a hardening (insensibility) has temporarily befallen a part of Israel
    to last until the full number of the ingathering of the Gentiles has come in
    Romans 11:25

    Thus says the Lord God, Who gathers the outcasts of Israel:
    I will gather yet others to Israel besides those already gathered
    Isaiah 56:8

    IV. The full ingathering of Gentiles MUST include EUNUCHS
    Isaiah 56:1-7

    V. EUNUCHS are defined by Jesus to include
    celibate people,
    castrated men,
    and BORN EUNUCHS (aka lgbt people)
    Matthew 19:12

    VI. God said LGBT people will be given Holy Communion,
    that He will accept our offerings on His altar,
    and that we will be made JOYFUL in His House of Prayer

    VII. Until LGBT people are affirmed in Church,
    and are receiving Holy Communion,
    and are bringing our offerings to Church,
    JESUS CAN NOT RETURN!

    VIII. Paul ordained Same Sex Marriage
    But to the unmarried people and to the widows,
    Apostle Paul declared that it is well (good, advantageous, expedient, and wholesome) for them to remain single even as he did.

    But if they have not self-control (restraint of their passions), they should marry. For it is better to marry than to be aflame with passion and tortured continually with ungratified desire. 1 Corinthians 7:8-9

    IX. The Holy Spirit warned that faux Christians would forbid Gay Marriage
    The Holy Spirit distinctly and expressly declares
    that in latter times some will turn away from the faith,
    giving attention to deluding and seducing spirits and doctrines that demons teach,
    Through the hypocrisy and pretensions of liars whose consciences are seared (cauterized),

    Who forbid people to marry…
    1 Timothy 4:1-3

    X. The Holy Spirit said forbidding Gay Marriage is doctrine that DEMONS teach

    XI. Demons teach homophobia to prevent Same Sex Marriage,
    to prevent the fulfillment of Isaiah 56:2-7
    to prevent the fulfillment of Isaiah 56:8,
    to prevent the fulfillment of Romans 11:25,
    to prevent the fulfillment of 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18

    XII
    NOBODY gets resurrected until the Church gets over homophobia!

    Full Video Exposition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7IKBGbXo9A

    Full Text Exposition: http://brianbowenministries.com/pharisees-anonymous-12-step-recovery-program.html

    • Judith
      8 August 2015 at 9:01 pm
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      Concerning this issue, the Bible is absolutely clear. Homosexuals do not go to heaven. There is hope for homosexuals, however. Christ can convert homosexuals and lesbians and make them true children of His. Let me go into more detail to help you. First let’s start with the fact that some people who have become believers were homosexuals prior to being converted. This passage of Scripture tells us that some former homosexuals were actually members of the church in Corinth. Read what Paul said:

      “Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God.” (1 Corinthians 6: 6-9)

      So, you see, there is hope for anyone, homosexual, adulterer, drunkard, etc., to become one of God’s family. But when a person does become a believer, the homosexuality ends. “Such were some of you,” Paul says. Paul understands that there may be some person who is a true Christian who has come out of homosexuality but fails temporarily out of weakness, but a true believer in Christ is radically different that what he used to be. He is substantially changed, but not perfect yet. Christ in the person makes a huge difference.

      What the Bible is saying is this: A person does not become a Christian by cleaning up his or her life and making it perfect. Rather, he becomes part of God’s family by putting his trust in Christ. You may read some of the articles on this site to study this issue. When a person does enter God’s family, the Spirit of Christ comes into the life of the person, making him different than he was before. His motives, attitudes, and actions are substantially different. He is not perfect, however, until heaven. In the mean time, the fruit of a changed life is evident. And if he fails temporarily, he does so not out of the old rebellion or apathy, but simply because he is overcome through weakness. One should be able to see the difference in a true Christian’s life. A persistent lifestyle of sin would indicate that God had not yet given salvation to the person for all Christians are changed and made new in a decisive way.

      The Bible states that homosexuality is a deadly sin, harming your soul and body because it is against nature. Read Romans 1 to find out the details of this. He ends by saying this:

      “For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their own error.” (Romans 1: 26-27)

      The truth is that people who are homosexual are that way, not because of genes, but because of sin. The potential to be homosexual is in every person. We are born as sinners, and have potential to do any kind of sin, including homosexuality. According to the Romans passage, a person may move from stage to stage, permitting themselves to do more and more sins, until he finally comes to a much worse place than he realized. This particular sin has the effect of harming your body. Homosexuals not only die of AIDS fairly often, but most die of other diseases that are sexually transmitted. Most homosexuals do not tend to live to be old people. Homosexuals are used to attending funerals. I believe this is just a fulfillment of the word spoken in this Romans passage.

      • MRH
        8 August 2015 at 10:07 pm
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        @ Judith: What you’re preaching is conditional or works salvation, which is wholly contrary to grace and faith salvation which Paul teaches. Also if the potential unto homosexuality was present in every person, then the world would be filled with homosexuals. The truth of matter is that homosexuals are few and far between. Fact is no normal person would even conceive of becoming homosexual. Only those born abnormal, or demonically possessed folk would choose such. Also sin is sin is sin is sin is sin! We are saved from the consequence of sin by believing the gospel, not by abstaining from sins. But we are all still sinners until death or rapture prevails. So if you consider yourself a puritan, then you are greatly deluded. The common sad spiritual condition is called self-righteousness. And there are no heavenly rewards for such a proud attitude.

        • Scott
          8 August 2015 at 10:29 pm
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          MRH – Salindra Sanchez – Hermaphroditus,

          Your ignorance is truly world class.
          You’ll find no converts here, sorry.
          No matter how hard you try, you can’t change God’s Word!

          “The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.” – Isaiah 40:8

          For ever will always mean for ever- read below again.

          “For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is UNNATURAL, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of THEIR OWN ERROR.” (Romans 1: 26-27)

          • MRH
            8 August 2015 at 11:22 pm

            :roll:

      • Geoffrey Grider
        8 August 2015 at 10:57 pm
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        The Bible has always been against all forms of homosexuality and always will be.

        • MRH
          8 August 2015 at 11:18 pm
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          The bible is against sin period, and none are free from sin but Jesus. Those whom consider themselves puritans are only deceiving themselves, and pride itself is a sin? The sad spiritual condition is called self-righteousness. Remember the Jewish leaders, whom Jesus called hypocrites? We must learn to be humble, to gain praise of God.

        • Bernie Lowe
          8 August 2015 at 11:35 pm
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          @MRH,

          Stop it already!
          No one on NTEB has ever claimed to be sinless.
          You attack everybody, and even try to change God’s Word to suit your sins. I don’t think you are saved at all, though you believe so, and you’re trying to put YOUR sin guilt on us.
          Face your own guilts and let us face our own.
          You act as though you have some social disorder.
          Move on! … for goodness sake!

        • MRH
          8 August 2015 at 11:47 pm
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          @ Bernie Lowe: According to the OT law, all sinners are damned!

  • Larry / vietnamvet1971
    8 August 2015 at 6:26 pm
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    Nice try.

  • Brian Anthony Bowen
    8 August 2015 at 9:54 pm
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    SODOM

    Indeed many forms of homosexual expressions are condemned throughout Scripture! In each clobber passage, the context is men who are married to women engaged in adultery–these are not LGBT people.

    Sodom was destroyed to purge fallen angels who mated with human women (which was heterosexual, even back then) See Genesis 6, Jude 1:6-7 and 2 Peter 2:4-7

    While it’s true the men of Sodom *attempted* to rape the holy angels, the fact is they never got the chance, and God does not punish for deeds not committed. Genesis 19:9-11

    God’s judgment had fallen upon Sodom long before the destruction account, or God would not have said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am going to do?” Genesis 18:17 Whatever the reason for Sodom’s destruction, it was doomed BEFORE the men of Sodom tried to rape the holy angels, and would have been destroyed whether the holy angels had come to rescue Lot and his family…or not.

    In Jude 1:11, we see the men of Sodom ran in the way of Cain, who was a murderer, not a homosexual.

    The shriek of Sodom’s sin “cried up to God.” The only other thing to “cry up to God” was Abel’s blood after Cain killed him. Genesis 18:20 (Sodom), Genesis 4:10 (Abel)

    In Jude 1:6-7 and 2 Peter 2:4-7 we see the men of Sodom were fallen angels, not human men

    In Genesis 6 we see the men of Sodom were fallen angels who mated with human women, which is heterosexual in nature, not homosexual.

    The men of Sodom were wicked and exceedingly great sinners against the Lord (not people). Genesis 13:13

    2 of the men of Sodom were engaged to Lot’s daughters, were slated for rescue even though they had been part of the mob, thought Lot was joking even after having already been struck blind by the angels, and perished. Genesis 19:13-14

    This led Lot’s daughters to mate with their father because “there was not a man left to lay with them in the customary way” Genesis 19:31-38

    This shows not only that the men of Sodom were not gay, but that Lot’s daughters recognized them as customarily heterosexual, not homosexual.

    The fact Lot offered his daughters shows Lot also recognized the men of Sodom to be customarily heterosexual. Genesis 19:7-8
    Full exposition of the Sodom account: http://www.brianbowenministries.com/14-men-of-sodom.html

    More info available in the Frequently Asked Questions reference guide:
    http://www.brianbowenministries.com/frequently-asked-questions.html

  • Brian Anthony Bowen
    8 August 2015 at 9:55 pm
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    BORN THIS WAY

    Jesus taught LGBT people are born naturally from our mother’s womb in Matthew 19:11-12, as he delineates 3 types of eunuchs:

    Celibates, castrated men, and BORN eunuchs.

    Jesus exempts all 3 types from hetero marriage.

    If Born Eunuchs are not celibate, nor castrated, nor entering into heterosexual marriage, that means BORN EUNUCHS must include LGBT people.

    http://brianbowenministries.com/1-born-this-way.html

    Then Paul ordains same sex marriage for these very same born eunuchs in 1 Corinthians 7:8-9, after ordaining marriage for heterosexual couples in 1 Corinthians 7:1-7…

    …and even goes so far as to recognize same sex divorce in 1 Corinthians 7:15

    Jesus said to them, Not all men can accept this saying, but it is for those to whom the capacity to receive it has been given.

    For there are eunuchs who have been born incapable of marriage; and there are eunuchs who have been made so by men; and there are eunuchs who have made themselves incapable of marriage for the sake of the kingdom of heaven.

    Let him who is able to accept this accept it. Matthew 19:11-12

    In doing so, Jesus leaves two questions unanswered:

    1. Is it better to engage in sexual relations without ever marrying in order to avoid the act and penalty of adultery?

    2. Who are the born eunuchs Jesus exempted from heterosexual marriage, and why did He exempt them?

    It’s important to pause here and recognize that Jesus was teaching Jewish people living under the Old Covenant, and not Christians who now live under the New Covenant. While recognizing this distinction, the Apostle Paul is confronted with these same questions in a letter he received from the Christian Church in Corinth. We will see him answer the 1st question in 1 Corinthians 7:1-7, and see him answer the 2nd question in 1 Corinthians 7:8-9 as he addresses two distinctly separate groups of unmarried people:

    1 Now as to the matters of which you wrote me. It is well [and by that I mean advantageous, expedient, profitable, and wholesome] for a man not to touch a woman [to cohabit with her] but to remain unmarried.

    2 But because of the temptation to impurity and to avoid immorality, let each [man] have his own wife and let each [woman] have her own husband.
    1 Corinthians 7:1-2

    We see in verse 1 that the people Paul begins speaking of are unmarried, and recognize that indeed some people in the early Church believed Jesus’ Disciples were correct in deciding not to marry in order to prevent adultery. Recognizing the sexual immorality the Disciples’ approach of not marrying could lead to, Paul specifically says in verse 2 to let each man have his own wife and each woman have her own husband. He goes on to add very specific reasoning for his conclusion:

    3 The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights (goodwill, kindness, and what is due her as his wife), and likewise the wife to her husband.

    4 For the wife does not have [exclusive] authority and control over her own body, but the husband [has his rights]; likewise also the husband does not have [exclusive] authority and control over his body, but the wife [has her rights].

    5 Do not refuse and deprive and defraud each other [of your due marital rights], except perhaps by mutual consent for a time, so that you may devote yourselves unhindered to prayer. But afterwards resume marital relations, lest Satan tempt you [to sin] through your lack of restraint of sexual desire.

    So that answers the 1st question. At first glance, Paul’s answer seems to overlook Jesus’ teaching that not all men could accept marrying heterosexually, but when we read verses 6-7 we see Paul recognize that Jesus indeed exempted some men (eunuchs) from heterosexual marriage. He first addresses celibate eunuchs saying:

    6 But I am saying this more as a matter of permission and concession, not as a command or regulation.

    7 I wish that all men were like I myself am [in this matter of self-control]. But each has his own special gift from God, one of this kind and one of another. 1 Corinthians 7:6-7

    Here we see the Apostle Paul make the same exemption from heterosexual marriage for one of the three types of eunuchs Jesus mentioned in Matthew 19:12; (those who choose to not marry and remain celibate). Paul clarifies in verses 6-7 that his teaching “each man” and “each woman” to marry in verse 2 is not a command or regulation for every man, but instead is a matter of permission and concession to anyone so choosing to refrain from sexual relations. He further verifies he is speaking here of the celibate eunuchs as he only speaks of men, and does not mention women in verses 6-7, just as Jesus did in Matthew 19:11-12. Paul emphasizes here that his statement on marriage in verses 1-2 are focused on preventing sexual immorality for those who are not gifted with God given celibacy. It’s also important to notice that Paul considers celibacy only one gift from God while recognizing there is yet another God given gift pertaining to marriage as well, and that every man has either one or the other kind of these God given gifts.

    In verses 8-9, we will now see Paul recognize Jesus’ teaching on marriage in relation to another of the three types of eunuchs Jesus exempted from heterosexual marriage (the born eunuchs) whom Paul refers to as “unmarried people.” In doing so, Paul recognizes that if Jesus had specifically exempted eunuchs from heterosexual marriage, they were obviously “unmarried” at the time Paul wrote this letter. But it’s important to recognize that in verses 8-9, Paul addresses these “unmarried people” separately and apart from the unmarried people he addressed in verses 1-2, and separately and apart from the celibate eunuchs whom he addressed in verses 6-7, and now says:

    8 But to the unmarried people and to the widows, I declare that it is well (good, advantageous, expedient, and wholesome) for them to remain [single] even as I do.

    9 But if they have not self-control (restraint of their passions), they should marry. For it is better to marry than to be aflame [with passion and tortured continually with ungratified desire]. 1 Corinthians 7:8-9

    For the first time since verses 1-2 we see Paul once again address women. We saw Paul had already clarified in verses 6-7 that his teaching “each man” to marry a person of the opposite gender in verses 1-2 was not intended to include every human being, but only those men who were so inclined to engage in relations with women. We further already saw he went on to clarify he did not intend his teaching to be a command or regulation toward celibate eunuchs being forced to marry contrary to their will and gifting. So far, Paul has addressed the same men and women inclined toward heterosexual marriage that Jesus taught on in Matthew 19:3-10, as well as the celibate eunuchs Jesus taught on in Matthew 19:11-12. Which leaves now only the castrated eunuchs, and the born eunuchs for Paul to address.

    Paul clearly predicates his ordination of marriage in 1 Corinthians 7:8-9 on “it is better to marry than burn.” This means the eunuchs he is addressing here does not apply to castrated eunuchs (who would have had no sexual capacity or desire), but instead is addressing the born eunuchs (some of which must have had both sexual capacity and desire, based on Paul’s predication of marriage for them).

    Full exposition with Scripture flow charts that color code and track Jesus’ and Paul’s teaching on heterosexual and same sex marriage here: http://brianbowenministries.com/ch-2-eunuch-marriages.html

  • eddie santana
    9 August 2015 at 1:17 am
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    re: Tattoos, etc…agreed. (Well, obese people aren’t going to like that obesity is a sin as well, but oh well.) 🙂

    • Geoffrey Grider
      9 August 2015 at 8:34 am
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      SO are you saying that fat, saved people lose their salvation?

  • edwitness
    9 August 2015 at 5:13 am
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    Judith, A great word with one exception.
    The Bible does not teach that a man is born a sinner. It teaches that a man is born under death’s power and as a result of this he worships what he can relate to which is idolatry. Something natural because he is natural. 1stCor.15:45-ff. This is the sin every man is guilty of and is one of the main reasons Jesus sent us the Holy Spirit. To reprove us of no faith in Christ. John16:9. And to lead us into a relationship with Him.
    Blessings:-}

  • edwitness
    9 August 2015 at 5:17 am
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    Brian,
    You are a sick twisted queer! Twisting the scriptures to your own destrution.
    You tell one filthy lie after the other. Repent or burn.

    • Larry / vietnamvet1971
      9 August 2015 at 6:49 am
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      Amen, I agree this must be from the Homosexual play book of LIES straight from his Daddy (SATAN) I refused to read his garbage after a few lines, we have to guard our minds from Evil.

    • Geoffrey Grider
      9 August 2015 at 8:41 am
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      NO name calling please, thanks….

    • Brian Anthony Bowen
      9 August 2015 at 11:23 am
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      I am a Spirit filled Christian and gay, and believe we are on the cusp of the long prophesied LGBT Ingathering from Isaiah 56, as the Church evolves in Her understanding of LGBT people and our prophetic role in the spiritual life of the Christian Church, and the return of Jesus Christ, as we fulfill long forgotten prophecies that only LGBT people can fulfill (like Isaiah 56).

      This is a guided “power point” tour that walks viewers through a side-by-side comparison of the Scriptures containing both Jesus’ and Apostle Paul’s teachings on marriage, adultery and divorce. I believe it reveals Jesus taught LGBT people are naturally born so in Matthew 19:12, and that Apostle Paul ordained Same Sex Marriage in 1 Corinthians 7:8-9.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUNRqiS2qDA

      I found both the anti gay and “pro gay” theologies leaving my conscience unsatisfied, so I turned to the Scriptures myself. In my studies, I found Jesus taught LGBT people are born so, explored here: http://www.brianbowenministries.com/ch-1-eunuch-births.html

      and that the Apostle Paul ordained Same Sex Marriage, explored here:
      http://www.brianbowenministries.com/ch-2-eunuch-marriages.html

      and I discovered the Church already knows this, but refuses to discuss it, as illustrated here:
      http://brianbowenministries.com/open-letter-to-churches.html

      and I discovered several prophecies that connect to and build upon one another, which speak to the LGBT Ingathering:
      http://brianbowenministries.com/pharisees-anonymous-12-step-recovery-program.html

      • Geoffrey Grider
        9 August 2015 at 8:55 pm
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        Homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible, and the LGBT must come out of that lifestyle. In ALL the Bible not one example of a positive gay couple is shown, and the only time it mentions homosexuality it is always in a negative light. God calls homosexuality a “vile affection” – “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.” Romans 1

  • lechar ph
    9 August 2015 at 9:14 pm
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    Hi Brian,
    The world and the people SHOULD ALIGN ITSELF with the Word of God. The Church will not evolve deviating from the Word – we, you are the Church. We call sin as God calls it – and move away from it becaise Jesus already delivered us from sin. Jesus delivered you from homosexuality.Hence you should live free from it.
    We may have dofferent struggles in life but we call on one name – and it is the Name of Jesus.The Name that is above evry name in earth and heaven.
    I love you with God’s love.

    • Brian Anthony Bowen
      9 August 2015 at 10:38 pm
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      Can you please quote one Scripture that says same sex marriage is a sin?

      Just one.

      If same sex marriage was condemned, why does the Bible never address 2 women engaged in sexual relations with one another?

      And if the Clobber Passages were designed by God to be a tool to “imply” a prohibition on same sex marriage, then why do they address 4 specific forms of homosexual expressions that have nothing to do with LGBT people or same sex marriage?

      Men who were married to women engaged in adultery with other men on the side (Leviticus & Romans)

      Man on man rape
      (Genesis 19)

      Clergy sexual abuse of minor boys in church
      (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)

      “Gay for Pay” prostitution
      (1 Timothy 1:10)

      That is the full extent of God’s condemnation of same gender expressions. Failing to even mention these forms of homosexuality in favor of “inventing new forms of evil” by implying any of these passages condemn same sex marriage is simply the tell tale signs of an “accuser of the brethren.”

      If same sex marriage was the BIG ABOMINATION so many Christians make it out to be, don’t you think the all knowing, omniscient God would have condemned it SOMEWHERE along the way in His Word? To answer “NO” to this question is to paint a very low picture of an impotent God.

      No matter how folks try to manipulate Holy Writ to use as a justification for homophobia, they cannot misapply God’s Word in such a way so as to usurp God’s Own Sovereign power and sole authority to make such declarations on His behalf without running the risk of meeting the same fate as the Great Usurper himself, Lucifer.

      http://brianbowenministries.com/2-god-sanctioned-gay-marriage.html

      • A O
        10 August 2015 at 11:52 pm
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        “Can you please quote one Scripture that says same sex marriage is a sin?”

        There isn’t one verse in Scripture that says that mother-son marriages, brother-sister marriages, or father-daughter marriages are sinful.

        Does that mean that God sanctioned these marriages?

        • Brian Anthony Bowen
          10 August 2015 at 11:57 pm
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          I take it you’ve never read the whole of Leviticus 18:

          7 The nakedness of your father, which is the nakedness of your mother, you shall not uncover; she is your mother; you shall not have intercourse with her.

          8 The nakedness of your father’s wife you shall not uncover; it is your father’s nakedness. Leviticus 18:7-8

          So what appears on its surface to be a reference to some act of homosexuality on the part of Ham may have in fact been an act of adultery instead. Not only was Noah and Ham both married, but both had children. If this was an act of homosexuality it would have been between two heterosexual, married men. In either case, Leviticus18 has much to say about both subjects.

          I would say that first it’s important to understand that the Scriptures from the Old Testament that spoke about prohibitions against same gender sexual relations were always addressed to heterosexual married men, and not gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people. Just as we saw from our examination of Sodom in the previous three chapters of The Bed Keeper, we’ll now see how Scripture interprets itself when it comes to the subject audience being addressed in Leviticus 18 (and 20), as well as who the objects of the instructions are: women.

          That doesn’t mean that gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people are exempt from God’s sexual morals, including choosing either celibacy or faithful gay marriage (as we learned in Chapter 2: God Sanctioned Gay Marriage of The Bed Keeper), but it does mean that certain passages from Leviticus 18 and 20 have been grossly misapplied to gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people. What we’ll see when we examine the entirety of the text is that they are actually condemnations of various forms of adultery, including heterosexual married men who would seek the
          companionship of other men as a way around the death penalty due anyone caught in the act of heterosexual adultery.

          It would seem that many heterosexual married men at the time did not consider sex with another man as an act of adultery, because it did not involve sexual acts with another woman. However, as we’ll see, Leviticus 18 and 20 are clarifying what God meant when He said, “Thou shall not commit adultery,” and is expanding the definition of adultery to include heterosexual married men having sex with other men on the “downlow.”

          To illustrate this, let’s take a forensic look at Leviticus 18 and 20. We’ll notice that by using the phrase “keep My statutes,” these verses provide significant insight into what God is talking about: The Ten Commandments. Therefore, I have included referenced violations of the Ten Commandments in parentheses after each applicable verse:
          1 And the Lord said to Moses,

          2 Say to the Israelites, I am the Lord your God.

          3 You shall not do as was done in the land of Egypt in which you dwelt, nor shall you do as is done in the land of Canaan to which I am bringing you; neither shall you walk in their statutes.

          4 You shall do My ordinances and keep My statutes and walk in them. I am the Lord your God. (You shall have no other gods before Me)

          5 You shall therefore keep My statutes and My ordinances which, if a man does, he shall live by them. I am the Lord. (You shall have no other gods before Me)

          6 None of you shall approach anyone close of kin to him to have sexual relations. I am the Lord. (You shall honor your father and mother) Leviticus 18:1-6
          NOTE: The following Scriptures all speak to sexuality with a woman as the object of the verse, which clearly indicates that the understood audience (with only a couple of exceptions) are being addressed is heterosexual married men.

          7 The nakedness of your father, which is the nakedness of your mother, you shall not uncover; she is your mother; you shall not have intercourse with her. (You shall honor your father and mother) and (You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife) a man having relations with his mother would be to have relations with another person’s WIFE and (You shall not commit adultery). While the man would not be personally committing adultery, having relations with his father’s wife would mean she would be.

          http://brianbowenministries.com/16-leviticus.html

          • A O
            11 August 2015 at 12:59 am

            I hope you realize that you didn’t answer my question that could (and should) be answered concisely. Instead, you responded with a very long and unpersuasive argument supporting your highly unpopular and incorrect claim that god sanctions gay “marriage.”

            It is obvious that you under strong delusion and have been given over. Your response is a clear display of futile thinking attempting to suppress the truth.

            There is only one truth regarding this matter. God is either for it or against it. It is as simple as that. Fear of the Lord should give you the wisdom to be careful about getting the truth right. That incest and homosexuality is unnatural, to put it politely, is evident to the super majority of mankind. Therefore, you are without excuse.

        • Strugglin’ Bro
          11 August 2015 at 1:29 am
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          I am in agreement with AO, as are all TRUE, BORN AGAIN, SPIRIT FILLED CHRISTIANS!

          Notice these words in the verse below.

          DEGRADING PASSIONS
          UNNATURAL
          ABANDONED THE NATURAL FUNCTION
          COMMITTING INDECENT ACTS
          DUE PENALTY OF THEIR OWN ERROR

          What should stick out the most is the words – DUE PENALTY!

          Ask Jesus into your heart, and ask Him to make the changes that causes you to repent –

          When we are weak, HE IS STRONG…

          You know that Jesus is the way, the Truth, and the life.

          Welcome to the struggle.

          God changed Jacobs name to Israel because Jacob struggled with God.

          Jesus loves you … We love you too!

          “For this reason God gave them over to DEGRADING PASSIONS; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is UNNATURAL, and in the same way also the men ABANDONED THE NATURAL FUNCTION of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men COMMITTING INDECENT ACTS and receiving in their own persons the DUE PENALTY OF THEIR OWN ERROR.” (Romans 1: 26-27)

          • lechar ph
            11 August 2015 at 3:06 am

            @strugglin’ bro

            The Holy Spirit helps us with our struggles…
            He is our Strength Provider, our Comforter, our Teacher.

            We all have struggles.Jesus will perfect everything that concerns us.
            I struggle as well in my mind but I always pray that the Holy Spirit places good thoughts in my mind – what and how God the Father amd the Son think of me.

            Brian Bowen needs to repent like we all are.
            He is delusional.He needs to be drunk with the Holy Ghost so he can turn away from homosexuality.

  • lechar ph
    9 August 2015 at 10:49 pm
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    Genesis 2:4-3:24
    Jesus created a man and a woman.
    A man is made for a woman.
    🙂
    Blessings.

    • Brian Anthony Bowen
      9 August 2015 at 11:28 pm
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      If the account of Adam’s ordination of heterosexual marriage was the last word on marriage, why did Jesus (and the Apostle Paul) have to even address it?

      In Matthew 19:12, Jesus identifies for us who all eunuchs are, as He expands the definition of eunuch beyond castrated males (those “made so by men”) and celibate eunuchs (“those who choose to be eunuchs”). Jesus also includes a 3rd type: Those who are born so from our mother’s womb.

      Jesus was teaching Jews living under the Old Covenant, which banned eunuchs from the Jewish Congregation of the Lord in Deuteronomy 23:1, which (by extension) also barred them from sacraments such as marriage.

      Recognizing Isaiah 56 promised eunuchs would one day be included in the congregation of the Lord (under the New Covenant), the Apostle Paul is then teaching Christians living under the New Covenant in 1 Corinthians 7, and ordains same sex marriage for these same born eunuchs (referring to them simply as “unmarried people and widows”) in 1 Corinthians 7:8-9. When he does so, he bases his ordination of same sex marriage on sex drive, which verifies that (at least some) born eunuchs indeed are capable of sexual activity, while affirming those who choose celibacy to remain celibate if they so choose.

      Paul clearly predicates his ordination of marriage in 1 Corinthians 7:8-9 on “it is better to marry than burn.” This means the eunuchs he is addressing here does not apply to castrated eunuchs (who would have had no sexual capacity or desire), but instead is addressing the born eunuchs (some of which must have had both sexual capacity and desire, based on Paul’s predication of marriage for them).

      Full exposition with Scripture flow charts that color code and track Jesus’ and Paul’s teaching on heterosexual and same sex marriage here: http://brianbowenministries.com/ch-2-eunuch-marriages.html

  • lechar ph
    10 August 2015 at 4:04 am
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    Where did you get the notion that eunuchs in the bible are homosexuals?

    These are two different things.”These were never used interchangeably in the bible. The buble never said that being a eunuch is a sin but being a homosexual is both condemned universally – both in the old and new testament.”

    If your argument is true – this twists the act of the Creator Himself – Jesus when He made Adam and Eve. Surely, God’s Word is the same yeaterday, today and forever.

    Homosexuality is A SIN. It is just like any other sin. To say and t3ach that the bible honors this is A COMPLETE HERESY AND A TEACHING THAT IS NOT OF GOD.THE TRUTH HURTS BUT IT DOES SET US FREE.

    Where the Spirit of the Lord is – there is freedom.

  • lechar ph
    10 August 2015 at 4:26 am
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    Brian Brown
    Your ministry is Satanic.

    • Geoffrey Grider
      10 August 2015 at 11:06 am
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      Amen, I agree.

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  • lechar ph
    10 August 2015 at 5:22 pm
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    @Brian, what Jesus said will never contradict each other.
    Ahahahaha!Eunuchs are celibates (castrated), PERHAPS THEY ABSTAIN FROM SEX and DO NOT HAVE SEX…PERHAPS CHOSE TO BE SINGLE FOR THE LORD. Homosexuals PERFORM SEX UNNATURALLY WITH THE SAME SEX KIND – A SIN AND AN ABOMINATION.

    • Brian Anthony Bowen
      10 August 2015 at 6:51 pm
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      That’s only 2 of the 3 types of eunuchs Jesus defined in Matthew 19:11-12.

      Jesus taught LGBT people are born naturally from our mother’s womb in Matthew 19:11-12, as he delineates 3 types of eunuchs:

      Celibates, castrated men, and BORN eunuchs.

      Jesus exempts all 3 types from hetero marriage.

      If Born Eunuchs are not celibate, nor castrated, nor entering into heterosexual marriage, that means BORN EUNUCHS must include LGBT people.

      http://brianbowenministries.com/1-born-this-way.html

      Then Paul ordains same sex marriage for these very same born eunuchs in 1 Corinthians 7:8-9, after ordaining marriage for heterosexual couples in 1 Corinthians 7:1-7…

      …and even goes so far as to recognize same sex divorce in 1 Corinthians 7:15

      Jesus said to them, Not all men can accept this saying, but it is for those to whom the capacity to receive it has been given.

      For there are eunuchs who have been born incapable of marriage; and there are eunuchs who have been made so by men; and there are eunuchs who have made themselves incapable of marriage for the sake of the kingdom of heaven.

      Let him who is able to accept this accept it. Matthew 19:11-12

      In doing so, Jesus leaves two questions unanswered:

      1. Is it better to engage in sexual relations without ever marrying in order to avoid the act and penalty of adultery?

      2. Who are the born eunuchs Jesus exempted from heterosexual marriage, and why did He exempt them?

      It’s important to pause here and recognize that Jesus was teaching Jewish people living under the Old Covenant, and not Christians who now live under the New Covenant. While recognizing this distinction, the Apostle Paul is confronted with these same questions in a letter he received from the Christian Church in Corinth. We will see him answer the 1st question in 1 Corinthians 7:1-7, and see him answer the 2nd question in 1 Corinthians 7:8-9 as he addresses two distinctly separate groups of unmarried people:

      1 Now as to the matters of which you wrote me. It is well [and by that I mean advantageous, expedient, profitable, and wholesome] for a man not to touch a woman [to cohabit with her] but to remain unmarried.

      2 But because of the temptation to impurity and to avoid immorality, let each [man] have his own wife and let each [woman] have her own husband.
      1 Corinthians 7:1-2

      We see in verse 1 that the people Paul begins speaking of are unmarried, and recognize that indeed some people in the early Church believed Jesus’ Disciples were correct in deciding not to marry in order to prevent adultery. Recognizing the sexual immorality the Disciples’ approach of not marrying could lead to, Paul specifically says in verse 2 to let each man have his own wife and each woman have her own husband. He goes on to add very specific reasoning for his conclusion:

      3 The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights (goodwill, kindness, and what is due her as his wife), and likewise the wife to her husband.

      4 For the wife does not have [exclusive] authority and control over her own body, but the husband [has his rights]; likewise also the husband does not have [exclusive] authority and control over his body, but the wife [has her rights].

      5 Do not refuse and deprive and defraud each other [of your due marital rights], except perhaps by mutual consent for a time, so that you may devote yourselves unhindered to prayer. But afterwards resume marital relations, lest Satan tempt you [to sin] through your lack of restraint of sexual desire.

      So that answers the 1st question. At first glance, Paul’s answer seems to overlook Jesus’ teaching that not all men could accept marrying heterosexually, but when we read verses 6-7 we see Paul recognize that Jesus indeed exempted some men (eunuchs) from heterosexual marriage. He first addresses celibate eunuchs saying:

      6 But I am saying this more as a matter of permission and concession, not as a command or regulation.

      7 I wish that all men were like I myself am [in this matter of self-control]. But each has his own special gift from God, one of this kind and one of another. 1 Corinthians 7:6-7

      Here we see the Apostle Paul make the same exemption from heterosexual marriage for one of the three types of eunuchs Jesus mentioned in Matthew 19:12; (those who choose to not marry and remain celibate). Paul clarifies in verses 6-7 that his teaching “each man” and “each woman” to marry in verse 2 is not a command or regulation for every man, but instead is a matter of permission and concession to anyone so choosing to refrain from sexual relations. He further verifies he is speaking here of the celibate eunuchs as he only speaks of men, and does not mention women in verses 6-7, just as Jesus did in Matthew 19:11-12. Paul emphasizes here that his statement on marriage in verses 1-2 are focused on preventing sexual immorality for those who are not gifted with God given celibacy. It’s also important to notice that Paul considers celibacy only one gift from God while recognizing there is yet another God given gift pertaining to marriage as well, and that every man has either one or the other kind of these God given gifts.

      In verses 8-9, we will now see Paul recognize Jesus’ teaching on marriage in relation to another of the three types of eunuchs Jesus exempted from heterosexual marriage (the born eunuchs) whom Paul refers to as “unmarried people.” In doing so, Paul recognizes that if Jesus had specifically exempted eunuchs from heterosexual marriage, they were obviously “unmarried” at the time Paul wrote this letter. But it’s important to recognize that in verses 8-9, Paul addresses these “unmarried people” separately and apart from the unmarried people he addressed in verses 1-2, and separately and apart from the celibate eunuchs whom he addressed in verses 6-7, and now says:

      8 But to the unmarried people and to the widows, I declare that it is well (good, advantageous, expedient, and wholesome) for them to remain [single] even as I do.

      9 But if they have not self-control (restraint of their passions), they should marry. For it is better to marry than to be aflame [with passion and tortured continually with ungratified desire]. 1 Corinthians 7:8-9

      For the first time since verses 1-2 we see Paul once again address women. We saw Paul had already clarified in verses 6-7 that his teaching “each man” to marry a person of the opposite gender in verses 1-2 was not intended to include every human being, but only those men who were so inclined to engage in relations with women. We further already saw he went on to clarify he did not intend his teaching to be a command or regulation toward celibate eunuchs being forced to marry contrary to their will and gifting. So far, Paul has addressed the same men and women inclined toward heterosexual marriage that Jesus taught on in Matthew 19:3-10, as well as the celibate eunuchs Jesus taught on in Matthew 19:11-12. Which leaves now only the castrated eunuchs, and the born eunuchs for Paul to address.

      Paul clearly predicates his ordination of marriage in 1 Corinthians 7:8-9 on “it is better to marry than burn.” This means the eunuchs he is addressing here does not apply to castrated eunuchs (who would have had no sexual capacity or desire), but instead is addressing the born eunuchs (some of which must have had both sexual capacity and desire, based on Paul’s predication of marriage for them).

      Full exposition with Scripture flow charts that color code and track Jesus’ and Paul’s teaching on heterosexual and same sex marriage here: http://brianbowenministries.com/ch-2-eunuch-marriages.html

      • bigtbone
        10 August 2015 at 11:48 pm
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        Matthew 19:11-12
        ————————
        I have heard all sorts of strange explanations of this passage, even some which would seek to use it to justify homosexuality! So what exactly is Jesus getting at here? The short answer is that Jesus is simply stating that celibacy may well be an option for some of his followers.

        Of course in first century Jewish culture this was a pretty radical concept. Jews back then considered marriage and the bearing of children to be a duty. The unmarried Jesus would have been a rare exception in that culture. Marriage is certainly God’s norm, but as Paul explains in 1 Corinthians 7, both marriage and singleness are gifts of God.

        As to the three categories of eunuchs which Jesus mentions, the first two are to be understood in a literal sense, while the third is evidently metaphorical in intent. The first category has to do with those who are born without the physical capability – in other words, those who are, for various reasons, impotent.

        But some apologists for homosexuality seek to twist this passage into support of their cause. They want to argue that Jesus meant some people are born with a same-sex attraction, and therefore heterosexual marriage is not for them. But there are big problems with this view.

        As R. T. France states, it is of course anachronistic to read back modern Western notions of homosexual orientation into this passage. No first century Middle Easterner would have thought in those terms. Also, back then homosexuality most often meant what we today call bi-sexuality: primarily men who had sex with both women and other men. There was no thought of people being born with some inherent, unalterable homosexual orientation. (The Gospel of Matthew, Eerdmans, 2007, pp. 724-725.)

        The second category would have to do with castration and the like, a common practice for those who worked in harems. Those men who worked with women in high positions in the royal court were usually castrated. We have an example of this in Acts 8:27: the Ethiopian eunuch.

        The third category has to do with an individual’s choice. While self-castration may be a very slight possibility here (something which would have been abhorrent to Jews), it most likely should be understood in a figurative sense: it has to do with choosing celibacy over marriage.

        That is, some people are willing to remain single for the sake of the Kingdom. That is why Jesus could say it would not be accepted by all, and only those to whom it has been given (i.e., the gift of celibacy) would be able to receive it.

        In 1 Corinthians 7:7, 17 Paul also talks about this gift of singleness. Paul, John the Baptist, and Jesus were all single men in a culture overwhelmingly geared toward marriage. Thus celibacy is certainly the exception to the rule, but it is a valid gift and calling of God nonetheless.

        As D. A. Carson comments, we must recognise that “neither Jesus nor the apostles see celibacy as an intrinsically holier state than marriage (cf. 1 Tim 4:1-3; Heb 13:4), nor as a condition for the top level of ministry (Matt 8:14; 1 Cor 9:5), but as a special calling granted for greater usefulness in the kingdom.”

        Looked at in this way, Matthew 19:11-12 is not too difficult to understand. Sure, there will always be theological revisionists who will seek to distort such passages in order to promote their agenda, such as the homosexual activists. But usually each text, considered in its context, and compared with other biblical passages, can be found to be more clear and straightforward than first thought.

        • Brian Anthony Bowen
          10 August 2015 at 11:53 pm
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          // The first category has to do with those who are born without the physical capability – in other words, those who are, for various reasons, impotent. //

          That cannot be an accurate definition of Born Eunuchs, because Jesus also exempts them from heterosexual marriage. But how would a man know they were BORN unable to reproduce PRIOR to getting married to a woman?

          Such a suggestion would be to say Jesus was teaching that all men should first have relations with a woman, wait 9 months to see if a child is born, and only at that point decide to marry her….or to leave her if a child is not born. THAT DOES NOT COMPUTE.

          Jesus taught LGBT people are born naturally from our mother’s womb in Matthew 19:11-12, as he delineates 3 types of eunuchs:

          Celibates, castrated men, and BORN eunuchs.

          Jesus exempts all 3 types from hetero marriage.

          If Born Eunuchs are not celibate, nor castrated, nor entering into heterosexual marriage, that means BORN EUNUCHS must include LGBT people.

          In this video, I walk you through Scriptures so that you can see for yourself that Jesus taught LGBT are naturally born from our mothers womb…and WHY!

          ENJOY!
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dm77jqjXkE&feature=youtu.be

          TEXT VERSION:
          http://brianbowenministries.com/1-born-this-way.html

          • Brian Anthony Bowen
            11 August 2015 at 12:05 am

            Clearly you are wrong!
            It’s your word or the Words of Jesus!

            These words are under the NT covenant.

            “For this reason God gave them over to DEGRADING passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is UNNATURAL, and in the same way also the men ABANDONED the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of THEIR OWN ERROR.” (Romans 1: 26-27)

          • Larry / vietnamvet1971
            11 August 2015 at 6:51 am

            SATAN’s Ministry so Obvious.

        • Brian Anthony Bowen
          10 August 2015 at 11:55 pm
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          When we see all of Christendom fail to teach on the eunuch Scriptures, we begin to see a willful intent on the part of the Church (in all denominations) to suppress the truths the Eunuch Passages reveal. If this was not true, we would expect to find sound, Scriptural and historical definitions of Born Eunuchs, as well as in depth, mature and sophisticated expositions concerning the prophetic connections throughout Scriptures…..

          …instead, we find NO Christian resources defining Born Eunuchs, and we hear ZERO teaching on eunuchs in the Church.

          In fact, it’s so deaf stone silent that we don’t even hear these passages quoted in the public debate on same sex marriage, such as:

          Matthew 19:11-12
          1 Corinthians 7:8-9
          Luke 17:34
          1 Timothy 4:1-3

          And that’s just on marriage!

          Then there’s the prophetic eunuch passages:

          Isaiah 56
          Esther 1-4
          Daniel 1-3
          Acts 8:25-40 (which we do hear about everyone once in a while but isolated from it’s interconnected prophecies such as Isaiah 56)

          And then there’s all the APPLICABILITY phrases from these passages concerning LGBT people receiving Communion, bringing our offerings to God’s altar, and our prophetic role in the spiritual life of the Christian Church (Isaiah 56), the revelation of Messiah to the Jews (Romans 11:25-26), the return of Jesus Christ, and ultimately, our bodily resurrection from the dead (1 Thessalonians 4:16-18).

          As well as Post Rapture prophecies, such as concerns the 144,000 Eunuch Witnesses of Revelation 7 and 14.

          Eunuchs appear from Genesis through Revelation, and yet the Church never even “accidentally” teaches on them, and there are no writings from the Church Fathers about them either.

          Which means that just because we don’t know about any prior challenges concerning same sex marriage, that doesn’t mean the upper echelons of Church leadership are unaware of these things.

          They seem to know exactly what NOT to say about them.

          And in EVERY denomination of Christianity.

          Isn’t that odd?

          This asks hard questions about LGBT people, and reveals what the Bible does (and does not) say about us. I hope it brings a new understanding to all who explore them!

          http://brianbowenministries.com/questions-and-answers.html

        • lechar ph
          11 August 2015 at 2:54 am
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          @bigtbone
          Your explanation is very clear.
          Brian Bowen’s teaching is heretic.
          God will never agree with homosexuality.
          It is the work of the devil.
          It is the way of the wicked.
          I hope you repent Brian and that you change your heart because you are made a man not a woman or you are made to be in the middle man/woman.

  • edwitness
    11 August 2015 at 7:07 pm
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    bigtbone,
    You posted a fine explanation of the use of the term eunuch. But I’m afraid that Brian, the person to whom your explanation is directed, is not hearing you. He is only interested in justifying his perversion. His heart is hardened toward the truth of scripture. In short, he is “evangelizing”. Don’t cast your pearls before swine.
    Blessings:-}

  • eddie santana
    14 August 2015 at 7:05 am
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    Matt, stop trying to justify stuff. Jesus may never have mentioned homosexuality, or gambling, or abortion, but it’s been covered in the bible, and our Christian common sense tells us it’s wrong. If that’s not enough for you, go out and get you a boyfriend, frequent the casinos, and kill babies all you want, since this will undoubtedly satisfy your soul.

  • edwitness
    15 August 2015 at 4:01 am
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    Thank you laura lee. If they continue to defend this man it is because he has developed a following based on a cult of personality.
    Blessings:-}

  • edwitness
    15 August 2015 at 4:08 am
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    That is exactly right Laura.
    The Roman Catholic religion does not have the gospel of Jesus Christ. They speak a different language when it comes to faith in Christ. Trying to relate to them about Jesus is the same as trying to relate to any other pagan religious person. They can’t hear you because the god of this world has blinded their minds.
    Blessings:-}

  • eddie santana
    15 August 2015 at 9:46 pm
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    Mrh, your spitefulness, laziness, apathy, or what-have-you in posting under other’s names is essentially identity theft, and unbecoming of a Christian. Don’t think while you’re doing this anyone is going to take anything you have to say seriously.

  • eddie santana
    15 August 2015 at 9:47 pm
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    …or anybody else on this site that engages in identity theft using other’s email names WILL NOT be taken seriously, and shunned.

  • MRH
    15 August 2015 at 10:08 pm
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    @eddie santana: Just drop it already will you!!!?? You are making a big deal out of nothing!!! Anyway, it seems that Geoff has finally fixed the comment glitch? Also many were tired of things as was I, and just posted as did I.

  • laura
    16 August 2015 at 9:31 am
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    URGENT! I have shown that Carl Lentz Hillsong NYC is 100% SURE (as I evaluate his body) to be a TRANSGENDER! (In his transgender exhibitionism showed himself shirtless… and it is EZ to catch a female to male transgender when they do so. His pecs are not symmetrical because he had female breasts removed and has had breast surgery. Clearly evident that his pecs are not symmetrical and other clear body tells that he is a female to male transgender.) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3149123/Carl-Lentz-follows-strict-alkaline-balance-diet-based-URINE-tests-transforms-body-fighting-machine.html

    Not ONLY did he have a gay couple choir director… Carl Lentz is HIMSELF a TRANSGENDER!! A HILLSONG PASTOR IS TRANSGENDER!! That means the Hillsong leader out of Australia has lied at another level along with Carl Lentz!! Here is my vid. http://youtu.be/wKXSZHb4GHs

  • Matt Robinson
    26 August 2015 at 12:07 am
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    Hi,

    You’re possibly going to dismiss me out of hand but if I don’t post this – the likelihood of it being deleted is quite high, but that’s not the point – I couldn’t in all conscience call myself a human being.

    You are wrong about gay men, lesbians, bisexual people, transgendered people, heck you’re wrong about the whole of humanity of which the above people are part of.
    To condemn other human beings is ridiculous. Not to say that it doesn’t happen ALL THE TIME but to use a series of books written by monks at various stages throughout history as a reason to hate so much on people is… well it’s sickening.

    So I ask you, each and every one of you, to ask yourself what you really think about sexuality. And if you don’t know, go ask some other people about it. Please stop relying on the prejudiced writings of people starting a religion in a time of great civil unrest and short lifespan. Look around you – the World is overpopulated and it’s one war after another, many in the name of religion, and the similarities between religions is a little too obvious to ignore these days.

    Ask yourself – what is it about people of differing sexualities and gender identities that gives me pause to think?
    We often seek to destroy the things we cannot understand. So please, understand. It’s hard at first, it takes real effort and it can sometimes feel like you’re the only one bothering, but it is so much more rewarding than talking about ‘loving the sinner; hating the sin’.

    • Larry / vietnamvet1971
      26 August 2015 at 6:44 am
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      I will not argue, debate, Beg or try to change your mind (Only GOD can) the only Love message I can give you and ALL the other Sinful people trying to hide from GOD.

      You have ONE & ONLY one choice: REPENT / TURN from your Rebellion against GOD or BURN in the Lake of Fire.

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    “AND I’M STILL WAITING FOR SOMEONE SHOW ME THE QUOTE WHERE JESUS ADDRESSED IT ON THE RECORD IN FRONT OF PEOPLE. YOU WON’T FIND IT BECAUSE HE NEVER DID…”

    What? Of course Jesus adressed homosexuality, and yes it IS on the record – if you consider the Bible to be “on the record”.

    “You shall not lay with a man as you would with a woman. It is an abomination.”

    I think this guy has absolutely no idea WHO Jesus IS.

  • Niku Gace
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    For me it is difficult to write in English.

    I only have two things to say and they are:

    In my country there is a saying : ” news for the lie , has a minimal truth.” I would not judge and do not allow myself to judge the Hill Song Church because many songs of praise scattered all over the world is the work done by this church .
    I saw that there was talk of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit . This is very delicate theme . But two things we need to know the baptism in the Holy Spirit , and ‘ intended for persons who have accepted Jesus into their lives in the past , is not a sin but who became voluntarily and after you repent . The blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is , make a sin a way of life in your life , knowing that God does not want it , you like to live with a sin or many sins ( homosexuality , fornication, stealing , telling lies , pornography , masturbation , etc . ) !

    We are careful .

  • Wendy Scuteri
    16 February 2016 at 11:46 am
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    Does anyone know if Josh Canfield and Reed Kelly are still at Hillsong N.Y. city church? Still leading the choir? I see no difference in this and the Corinthian church that Paul rebuked for allowing sin in the church.

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