Heretic Televangelists Kenneth Copeland And Jesse Duplantis Say ‘God Wants Them To Have Private Jets’

So the next time you feel the urge to give your hard-earned money to a televangelist, please keep this video handy and play it before you write the check. It will save you a lot of regret, send your donations and gifts to your local church.
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PT Barnum said “there is a sucker born every minute”, and that is what frauds like Kenneth Copeland and Jesse Duplantis count on.

“Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.” Jude 1:11 (KJV)

Professional evangelical mercenaries Kenneth Copeland and Jesse Duplantis, feeling the sting of conviction for their lavish sheep-funded lifestyles, have released a video to support their traveling around in private luxury jets. This video speaks for itself:

So the next time you feel the urge to give your hard-earned money to a televangelist, please keep this video handy and play it before you write the check. PT Barnum said “there is a sucker born every minute”, and that is what frauds like Kenneth Copeland and Jesse Duplantis count on.

Kenneth Hagin and Kenneth Copeland Demonic Gathering:

This garbage is what the Charismatics call “the anointing”. If watching this sets off no red flags in your spirit, then I highly doubt you are saved. The noises these people are making send cold chills down my spine. I would imagine that, for the people in Hell, this is what they will hear in their ears for eternity.

Please don’t be one of them. Give your money, gifts and donations to your local, Bible believing New Testament church. Stopping funding gospel millionaires who live in massive mansions, drive Rolls Royces and enjoy the posh, Laodicean end times lifestyle.

God will hold you accountable as well, remember that. They can only live this lifestyle because you send them the money. In case no one ever told you, this is how real pastors and ministers of the word of God are to conduct themselves:

“Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;” 1 Peter 5:2 (KJV)

 

NTEB is run by end times author and editor-in-chief Geoffrey Grider. Geoffrey runs a successful web design company, and is a full-time minister of the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. In addition to running NOW THE END BEGINS, he has a dynamic street preaching outreach and tract ministry team in Saint Augustine, FL.

  • janette

    Copeland called them demons, the common people who fly commercial airlines. That’s all common people are to them. Both Copeland & Duplantis agreed that (let me paraphrase) they are very annoyed & God also is annoyed, by people who want them to pray for them. Isn’t it amazing just how they feel about those who send them money?

    • If people really pay attention to what these frauds say, they will have all the proof they need.

      • Robbie

        Thank u for your website Geoffrey. How could anyone ever introduce a non or new believer to these men? I think of our dusty sandalled Lord and am forever grateful for his sweet simplicity. I look at the millions adoring any sightings of the excesses of pope and wonder the same. I came out of a group that asked for everything for “Gods work” …and have left them entirely in Gods hands after losing everything including my family. Forevee mindful of Gods justice and mercy. The sad thing is the total self delusion that goes with this. A question please. I rather enjoyed Dr Caroline Leafs work, but shes a great follower of Copeland. Does that mean her ideas are skewed too??

        • Heather

          John Haller weekly prophecy updates. In this update from 2 days ago he also included this same info on Copeland and Jesse and private jets. Bro Nick is the one who told me about John Haller’s Prophecy Weekly Updates. So glad he did. So many false prophets these days.

          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XBIf0NHZ5co

    • Grace

      Thank you Brother Geoffrey,for this article, I pray it opens eyes and brings healing to the little one’s in Christ who have been hurt by this false gospel. Copeland says they couldn’t talk to God on a commercial flight, ridiculous or can’t do the things they need to do on a commercial flight then he goes on to talk about another minister who became famous (high minded) and was bothered by too many people coming up to him to ask for prayer, that goes to show you that they can’t even see the needs in front of them and all around them, no they need to fly to big meetings and pass the offering plate, they are the blind leading the blind.
      I am glad Jesus didn’t refuse those who came to Him and not only did Jesus meet their spiritual needs He also fed the crowds meeting their physical needs, He didn’t become annoyed by those people who were in need of deliverance from demons, those who needed physical healing, those who the devil had bound for years and He didn’t need to pass around the offering plate to get riches,praise His Holy Name!
      I am not saying we shouldn’t pass around the plate in our local church, the minister of your local church deserves to be taken care of by the people benefiting from His ministry and the needs of the people should also be met in the local church but these false ministers such as these two represented in this video are robbing the local church. These who teach this selfish and self serving gospel are a reproach to the Name of Christ and they only hurt the little one’s in Christ who do not know what the likes of ministers such as these are about.
      Any child of God can converse with God and the Lord Jesus anywhere, anytime, the Bible says in Ephesians 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

      Am I going to not pray in certain situations such as a commercial flight when I am led to pray? I don’t have to make a scene to talk to the Lord, He knows more so than I do my heart and knows the mind of the Holy Spirit, No one or Nothing can stop a child of God from talking to the Lord.Glory and Honor to Jesus Christ who Reigns forever! God bless all who love the Lord Jesus Christ with whatever you need today.

    • Rhonda

      I thought the same thing, us common people who fly commercial airlines are demons. My spirit is so grieve listening to this foolishness about the late Oral Roberts was annoyed because people with needs and problems wanted prayer. Shame on him, Oral Roberts had no problem asking those same people for their money.

    • froggie

      His watchmen are blind, All of them know nothing. All of them are mute dogs unable to bark, Dreamers lying down, who love to slumber; 11And the dogs are greedy, they are not satisfied. And they are shepherds who have no understanding; They have all turned to their own way, Each one to his unjust gain, to the last one. 12″Come,” they say, “let us get wine, and let us drink heavily of strong drink; And tomorrow will be like today, only more so.”Isaiah 56:11

    • Brandon

      I could not have said it better. A “tube filled with demons”. I guess he is calling me a demon because I fly commercial, and my last flight was to Kenya on a mission trip. I also don’t remember any of God’s anointed prophets living in luxury, Jesus definitely did not and He is the Son of God.

  • the other mary

    How do you feel about Jim Bakker? Is he a man of God?

    • I would not trust him as far as I could throw him, he is of the same stripe as these men.

      • suez

        Amen about Baker. He is once again building yet another kingdom with the dumb sheep’s money. He never even skipped a beat once out of prison. No change. After what he did, what humble, repentant person would go back on TV once again. SHAMEFUL!!!

        • ben from canada

          Correct Suez

          Copeland was the first one to greet Jim Bakker the day he got released from jail. And welcome him back to fleecing the flock.

      • Bruce Eisermann

        I love your site. It speaks the TRUTH!

    • patrice

      Jim Bakker went right back into the same garbage hole he was in that took him into prison. He married a tammy fay look-alike and gives out the same message of prosperity and lies as in his youth. He only knows how to fleece the flock by using God’s name. Woe to him. How dumb can one person be.

      • Heather

        Jim Bakker pushes the concept that the Body of Christ will go through the time of Jacob’s trouble. Thus justifying filling his pockets with cash from selling tribulation survivalist food and products. Same old game.

  • bremertonchristian

    I know it’s off topic brother but could you please explain why it is impossible for me to be an eternal secure post-tribber. I left a comment on Jimmy’s article about the body and jacobs trouble but haven’t seen a reply. I work nights right now and so I only get to check your articles infrequently, sorry if that’s a problem but I really learn a lot from you and your commentors. Thanks brother Grider, God bless. Also I use my phone so I’m not as good as you all at referencing scripture.

    • Because Post Tribbers say that you have to “endure to the end to be saved”, right? Well, enduring to the end is what people who are not eternally secure have to do. Christians in the Age of Grace have to do no such thing. The Bible says that, at the MOMENT of salvation, I became 1). eternally secure, 2). seated in heavenly places, and 3). have been made part of the BODY of Christ. I don’t have to “endure” anything to be saved.

      See what I mean?

      And since you use your phone to connect on here, get the BLUE LETTER BIBLE app for your phone and you’ll have the scriptures instantly! Thats what I do 🙂

      • Al

        Geoffrey Grider….You have to understand we are on the outside looking in. All of us are destined to go to hell because of sin(s). We are saved by grace and NOT by works. (This is the first part)

        IF a Christian blasphemes against the Holy Spirit is he still save? No…because GOD specifically said …”blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unforgivable.” ….and with just one sin, we can’t enter the kingdom of heaven.

        Mark 3:29 (KJV)
        “But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.”

        John 3:16 (KJV)
        ” For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him SHOULD not perish, but have everlasting life.” —-> SHOULD is the key word.

        As Christians we will continue to sin until the day we die or when Jesus returns to exchange our bodies to an infallible one. But unfortunately more and more Christians are abandoning the faith (Katy Perry, Larry Flint,Tom Hanks) in favor of worldy teachings.

        Matthew 7:14 (KJV)
        “Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.”

        If you’re a Christian you will be tried and tested continually but GOD said he will not give you tests that you can’t handle. So we will still endure to the end regardless whether it’s the end of our lives or whenever the pre,mid or post tribulation occurs. Only question is will YOU endure to the end.

        • A Christian cannot commit blasphemy of the Holy Ghost, because Jesus is not walking on the earth in our dispensation. In the Bible, when the pharisees watched Jesus performing miracles and attributed His power to Satan, that is the definition of what blasphemy of the Holy Ghost is.

          “But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Or else how can one enter into a strong man’s house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house. He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.” Matthew 12:24-31 (KJV)

          Copeland and all the others are not committing blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, they are committing fraud against the redeemed people of God.

          • Dianne

            King James Version, Bible Verses about Blaspheming the HOLY SPIRIT

            James 2:6-8 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgement seats? Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called? If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, they do well: but if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

            Mathew 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall Not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the (world) to come.

            Mark 3:28-30 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewithal so ever they shall blaspheme; but he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath NEVER forgiveness, but is in danger of ETERNAL DAMNATION: because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

            Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the HOLY GHOST: as your fathers(did), so (do) ye.

          • AL

            Matthew 7:21-23 (KJV)

            21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

            22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

            23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

            Think about it. Who calls him LORD? We do. Christians. moslems, budhists don’t call him LORD and so all the atheists, agnostics and all non-believers.

            I fully understand that we are saved by grace and NOT BY WORKS. But as Christians we are to be the salt of this dying and morally corrupt world. He never promised Christians prosperity or good life. In fact just the opposite. In the last days, Jesus said there shall be turning away from the faith:

            1 Timothy 4:1 (KJV)

            Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

            …..and we are witnessing this event unfolding before us. Former Christians denouncing their faith and speaking against GOD. Are they still save? The Bible clearly says about this and I’ll leave it up to you to decide.

          • MRH

            Geoffrey Grider: Blaspheme of the Spirit is Satan worship! A true Christian can’t do such, as they have Gods seed planted within. However a false Christian can as they have Satan’s seed in them. Tares vs. wheat. The Jewish leaders worshiped Satan, which is why they crucified Jesus. And the same antichrist spirit was involved in the crusades and such. Also the later Nazi holocaust. Hitler was antichrist and involved in the occult. And today we have hoards of demons causing; chaos, deception, and destruction. Most (if not all) celebrities are sold out shells. I call them figuratively ‘cloaked demons wearing halos’, as that’s what they all are. Some folk even say Obama is the Antichrist, and that may well be so considering things. His aggressive destruction of America and the church! And notice how he cleverly evades Congress? That’s the mark of a dictator. Because he is really a demon disguised. Now supposedly 2016 is his final hour? But we shall see. Don’t forget that Obama occupies two thrones; WH, UN. The latter is the hub of the NWO. Which is the kingdom of the Beast. And if you don’t believe me, do the research. Or click my new page below 😉

            http://aeroventure.com/Wonderland/Wonderland.htm

          • MRH

            @ Geoffrey Grider: You might find below video enlightening unto ancient/modern Jews? 😀

            Secret Societies Killed Jesus Christ (Trailer) = https://youtu.be/Xc09NdqkLg4

            P.S. So are we friend or foe forever? You must decide unto your heart (belief aspect) 😉

          • Hentie van der Westhuizen

            Hi Geoffrey – I assume, that because Copeland and Co do believe that Jesus is the Son of God, although they sin, by committing fraud against the redeemed people of God – they will still go to heaven, as the only requirement to be saved, is to believe that Jesus is the Son of God? OR ………. because they do not repent and continue doing this fraud-sin, they might not really be born again and saved ……………? Sometimes I feel, they are conducting a huge money business, just like someone, having a Big Mac Hamburger place. Having ONLY the “look” of sincere christianity. Please explain. Thank you kindly.

          • Suzy

            Geoffrey, please, Apostasy “is” taking place nowadays. No need for the Lord to physically be on earth before that takes place.

            I kept on asking what is backsliding according to you the article makers on this site, but you have not answered me yet. Not surprising you don’t agree to committing apostasy by a Christian.

            And yes, a Christian can commit apostasy and that is part of the falling away if you want to clearly and deeply look into it.

            You accept OSAS and also deny apostasy.. really?

        • MRH

          Al: Blaspheme of the Spirit is Satan worship! A true Christian can’t do such, as they have Gods seed planted within. However a false Christian can as they have Satan’s seed in them. Tares vs. wheat. The Jewish leaders worshiped Satan, which is why they crucified Jesus. And the same antichrist spirit was involved in the crusades and such. Also the later Nazi holocaust. Hitler was antichrist and involved in the occult. And today we have hoards of demons causing; chaos, deception, and destruction. Most (if not all) celebrities are sold out shells. I call them figuratively ‘cloaked demons wearing halos’, as that’s what they all are. Some folk even say Obama is the Antichrist, and that may well be so considering things. His aggressive destruction of America and the church! And notice how he cleverly evades Congress? That’s the mark of a dictator. Because he is really a demon disguised. Now supposedly 2016 is his final hour? But we shall see. Don’t forget that Obama occupies two thrones; WH, UN. The latter is the hub of the NWO. Which is the kingdom of the Beast. And if you don’t believe me, do the research. Or click my new page below 😉

          http://aeroventure.com/Wonderland/Wonderland.htm

          • Heather

            MRH, it is interesting that the current Secretary General, Ban Ki Moon will finish his term by the end of December 2016 just days from obama finishing his. As you said though, we shall see.

          • Jimmy

            Blaspheme of the Holy Ghost is not satanic worship. Blaspheme of the Holy Ghost is a sin that can ONLY be committed when Jesus Christ is literally on earth and someone accuses the Lord of doing the devils works. It’s all in Matthew 12 KJV.

          • MRH

            @ Heather: Ban Ki Moon is NWO, as are all others (I know more than most know).. Consider scripture 😉

            Eph 6:10-17 KJV – Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

            @ Jimmy: Wrong, you misunderstand scripture! 🙁

            Mat 12:31-32 KJV – Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

            Note: [this world (then, now)] & [world to come (future)] 😉

          • AL

            MRH….I am not concern about the NWO, Anti-Christ, One-world government, Illuminati or the state of decay/decline in which the US is currently in. Jesus made this country the land of milk and honey and he also prophesied the fall of this once great nation……All of these things must come to pass. There is no revival. Matter of fact Jesus said that things are only going to get worse. His instructions to us is to prepare. Luke 21 (Please read it).

            Luke 21:28 KJV
            28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

            We will be hated for Jesus’ name sake.

          • MRH

            @ Jimmy: The Pharisees committed the unforgivable sin. How? Because they were Satanists. But they weren’t the first. Secret societies date back to the garden. Remember Nimrod and the tower of Babel? Well the trends continues today. And once a person sells their soul, they are damned. Such cannot be saved as they are gone. All that remains is a flesh host for demons to dwell in. They are thus children of Satan, and they are many. Signs are ‘dead sheep’ phenomena (wagging tongue), and other symbolism; horned hand, 666 hand, pyramid hand, single eye, etc. Anyway, I’ve done much research into things, but too complex to debate on tonight 😉

            @AL: We are already being persecuted for the faith 🙁

          • sharon

            When people speak of the pyramids and preciseness of the star alignments in them, one wonders how they could have done this. Then we read of how the pharaoh actually MATCHED the ‘miracles’ that God performed ..ie..changing the snake etc., are we not to wonder ‘what’ these people really were?? All these thousands of years later with all the technology we have today, we still cannot turn a staff into a serpent!!!

            The Lord speaks of ‘hosting’ ..ie..’satan entered judas and Jesus spoke to satan through judas’. We all know that..it is called ‘hosting’ or, the old fashioned way is ‘possession’. The Lord also spoke to us of Himself doing the same thing..ie..we are His Temple and He will come in to us when invited..when He knocks. There is an example of this after Jesus was crucified..ie..’He walked beside the two men that knew Him BUT they did not recognise Him as He was IN A DIFFERENT FORM’. Why do we hear that Mary did NOT recognise Him??..she thought He was the gardener!! Why would not Thomas believe?? He had seen Lazarus risen from the dead, so why couldn’t he get his head around this??..because the LORD was IN A DIFFERENT FORM. He could have been standing right next to any of you in the market today or at work and you would not have known unless He chose to reveal Himself to you…and when He does…you WILL KNOW!!

            If I was to snap my fingers now and the human host..our human clothes, were to drop away, what you would see behind some of them would terrify you..things that you would not even be aware existed. Some wonder why the Lord had so many wars in the old Testament. Here we have people who did not have the Holy Spirit in them so the Lord would fight right along with them, He would visit the temples and some of His chosen prophets.. and had written that He is a Man of war..but only in righteousness would He make war. Yet many now are unaware, not just who He was warring against, but WHAT!!

            I have gone right off subject here but it is for someone…Hear it in the Spirit.

          • BETH

            I am really learning a lot form here. So how does one know that the tongues that they are praying while intereseding are of the TRUE spirit of GOD or of satan? What happens to ppl who speak in tongues
            and pray or interceed for others others could it be possible that they are operating in demons without knowing?When JESUS died on the cross of calvary was it not my SINS AND DEATH penalties and all transgression, and iniquities? Is it not the romans who crucified JESUS? Pls i need help with this? I thought it was the roman solders who did the casting lots of his clothes? and it was the same romans who gave him the sponge of vinegar? and was it not the roman solders who nailed him? was it not the roman empire who practiced the crucifixion? was it not a roman solder who said after the earthquake “surely this was the son of GOD.”Is it blaspheming against the HOLY SPIRIT if one warns others or tell others that they are doing fake miracles? or when you don’t see the angels they claim came to theirs services? The example of these is in few prophets i know and seen in africa? can u help me about shepherd bushiri, tb Joshua so i know where i stand with the word of GOD? I am asking all these questions because i am desperate and i need help pls?In regarding to telling lies i have also lied and in encouraging the hopeless couple who are barren they don’t have any children, i kept telling them that they will have the child one day and they must keep on believing? The child has not come yet now and its three years, so this is a proof that i lied? Does it mean i lied against the HOLY SPIRIT? Pls am desperate? Can someone pray for me from this sins pls i have even continued to say i am fine while am still very ill and in excruciating pains? pls i need help this is a genuine cry i need help.Am still very ill and anytime form now i may depart i don’t want to go to hell.

          • sharon

            @ Beth..oh the fact that you are so desperate to correct yourself only shows that your love for the Lord is genuine. Consider all these things as learning lessons. The Lord corrects those that He loves but, one of the most important things to remember is that ANYTHING you offer up to God, no one else can touch it. If one is speaking in tongues and their heart is focused on the Lord and they have offered the prayers to the Lord, then satan cannot touch it!! Too many people ‘give’ things to satan by their fear of ‘offending God’. God knows the heart. That is what He was saying when speaking of the ‘new freedom’ that we have and gave the example of ‘eating food sacrificed to an idol’. I could go into that temple and eat the food as I know for a fact that the Lord knows I am only there for the food and that my heart is not making an offering to the filthy idol…BUT..He also warns that it (for example) would be wrong to try and convince you of that if your conscience (your faith) is weak..and you would be going in there hesitant..therefore causing presumptuous sin. I would be at fault there. That is why I will not push any longer the fact that some think the Bibles to be satanic. I cannot believe that, if a muslim come up and called a Bible (other than KJV) a work of satan and started stomping on it, that some of them here would agree and applaud it!! IT IS ALL ABOUT FAITH. The Lord wants you to show Him that you believe wholeheartedly and with clear conscience because fear gives satan a foothold. Perfect Love casts out fear!!

            Ask the Lord to show you what you want to hear and then sit back and wait…when His answer comes, your ears will prick up and you will ‘see’ the Word working for you..you will just know and rejoice…merely at the fact that He has heard you 

            I have written something that explains this more..as that is the best way for me to try and say what I am saying. I hope you don’t mind that I am sending a personal experience but it is to show you that you are not alone in your struggle..and to let you know that a King that loves you so dearly is not going to send you to hell when your heart is repenting with your love and commitment to Him. He is a righteous King!!!

            Divine Contact

            Somewhere..Someone..arms around me..this I see
            Love’s warmth running through..every part of me
            Awaken so gently pleading..’Please don’t You go’
            My fists clenched..to hold it in..’Oh no..no..no..no..no’
            Who was that..the warmth..it’s still seeping through my soul
            Could not see a face..yet the Spirit, it was Whole
            Should I dare to think..that I know just Who that be..
            that poured out His Love..through the very essence of me?
            What is now happening..something very strange I fear
            Don’t think about it..just a dream..not so near
            A conflict..with human common sense and the mind
            Only left my spirit in a terrible..unsettled bind
            Oh how could I dare..even think such a thing?
            But my heart would not cease..it continued yet to sing
            My mind must be playing games..tricks here I see
            How dare I even think that He would even bother with me
            But my heart..it knew better..and humbled me through and through
            And every thought..breath and heartbeat..would soon belong to You
            As my whole little, tiny world..I was in every day
            Was blown right from the water..a different scenario now in play
            ‘You must trust Me with all of your heart..yes..now I Am here’
            Oh this can’t be happening..going mad..Oh this I fear
            ‘Why do you not trust..in the Words I have to say? ‘
            Oh this must be a trick..yes..satan go away! !
            ‘It is I that speak to you..and here now I will say..
            You must follow Me in faith..as Abraham did this way..
            You have been quick in your way..at this Time to believe..
            that satan can speak to you..and hence..but to deceive..
            But now..you go and worry yourself..the fact that I Am here?
            and your soul becomes so faint..becomes so full of human fear
            Am I not the One Speaking now..that evil is subject to
            Can I not keep him away..away from harming you? ‘
            Oh my head..so in strife..so troubled is my mind
            What if I am to trust here..then it’s satan that I find;
            showing his wonders to deceive all that I know is true
            disguising himself as an angel of light..one that comes from You?
            ‘Offer all that you do..only unto Me
            Who else can then touch it? ..no one..you will see
            Put your faith and all your trust..in all that you do
            Be to Me..Faithful and true..as I Am to you
            Full faith in your heart..and also in your mind
            I Am with you..always with you..and only Me you’ll find
            No Time for adolescent behaviour..any useless fears or doubt..
            Just take My Hand..trust in Me..and then just follow Me out’

            Thankyou Jesus.

            Sharon Maree

    • Jimmy

      Sorry bremerto. I thought I had replied back to your question but maybe it was to someone else. What brother Grider stated was spot on. As a post-tribber, you believe that you will be present on earth and presented with an opportunity to take the mark of the beast. If you are an “eternally secure” post-tribber and you take the mark of the beast, you’re either calling God a liar in Rev 14:7-11 KJV or you are calling God a liar in Eph 2:8-9 KJV.

      Most post-tribbers attempt to dodge this enormous doctrinal barrier by claiming that “no REAL Christian would take the mark”, but they have ZERO scripture supporting their theory of “Christian immunity” during the time of Jacob’s trouble. Matter fact the Bible says the devil deceives the WHOLE WORLD (Rev 12:9 KJV)except for the sealed 144,00 male, virgin, Jews. That’s why I mock the “eternally secure’ post-tribber by saying that their goal is to “fake their way” through the tribulation.

      • Suzy

        hahaha… generally all OSAS beleivers should be mocked at. Not only OSAS post tribbers.

        That doctrine is straight from the father of lies!!! No where does the LOrd supports that, not even Ephesians you OSAS supporters claim to stand on.

        I pray God open your eyes before its too late.

    • We are eternaly secure when we enter in heaven, and not before. That have nothing to do with rapture timing. Even if the rapture is pretrib, we have to continue to walk on the narrow way as we still may fall. For example, it is written:

      “But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.” Mat.6:15

      This verse means that unforgiving Christians will NOT be forgiven and consequently will NOT enter heaven. So there are NO OSAS, NO eternal security as long as a Christian while on earth refuse to forgive other people.
      That’s one condition.

      Another condition:

      “But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.” (Mat 10:33)

      I have seen people here commenting to someone that said about a possible post-trib rapture “better not deny the Lord during the tribulation” responding: “then what? haven’t all my sins already been washed at the cross?”!!!

      Now it is written that saved people have their name written in the Book of Life before the foundation of the world. A search for “Book of Life” in the whole Bible will reveal that since then God NEVER ADDS a name into it, but eventually DELETE a name from it. So even those who have been choosen (have their name written) before the foundation of the world can still LOSE their salvation (have their name REMOVED).

      If the salvation is a one-time complete event that happens when someone “receive Christ as his saviour”, why is it written that we have to enter throught the narrow gate? Why is it written “But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses”, and why is it written “But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven”, if Christ washed away all the sins at the cross?

      There is a condition that we arrive at the end of the way to heaven, that we CONTINUE to stay walking on that narrow way. Now the false church teaches that since “Once Saved Always Saved” we already have unconditional eternal salvation. That’s the LARGE gate, the “everything goes” watered down gospel and there are many that enter through it…

      • Jimmy

        Hey Marc

        If you believe that a person must continuously not deny the Lord, walk in his way, and forgive men’s trespasses in order to (hopefully) be saved, can you please explain to me what was the point of Christ being crucified since you believe that his blood is not enough to permanently cleanse those sins?

        According to what you believe about salvation, the cross of Christ is not only useless, but also pointless. Christ could’ve just stayed up in Heaven and told sinners to not deny him, walk in his way, and forgive men’s trespasses to enter Heaven.

        You Marc, are lost and on your way to Hell if you truly believe that salvation comment you wrote.

        • Hey Jimmy,

          I knew that someone will ask me this question…

          I never said that the blood of Christ is not enough for salvation, and you are absolutely correct, IF SOMEBODY ADD ANY WORK AS ADDITIONAL CONDITION FOR HIS SALVATION, HE IS LOST. That’s what I alway preach. But once someone has been cleansed by the blood of Jesus, he must continue to walk his Christian journey, walk on the narrow way. We cannot at the same time say we BELIEVE in Jesus and at the same time DENY Jesus. We are saved by faith, but faith without works is dead. It’s not that works are necessary for the salvation, salvation is by faith ALONE, but works are something that testify that our salvation is real, like water baptism is a manifestation of a spiritual baptism that took place inside our heart.

          Regarding forgiveness” JESUS HIMSELF SAID:

          “But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.” Mat.6:15

          Again, the act of forgive men their sins is NOT a condition for salvation in itself, but maybe Jesus said that because if someone has his heart so hardened that even after having entirely been forgiven he himself still cannot forgive other people sins, that person has not really been born again. We love other people because God loved us first. Being born again is a true spiritual experience, yet there are lot of people that call themselves “Christians” but are not, they can recite the sinner prayer but they have not the love of God inside them, and the church, now near the end of time, is full of these people that are lukewarm if not entirely cold, because they have been preached a false watered down entertainment gospel.

        • Suzy

          “Then said Jesus to those Jews WHICH BELEIVED in Him. If ye CONTINUE in My Word, then are ye my disciples indeed…” John 8:31 KJV. The Lord was talking here to those that were already in Him, that they should continue in His Word to be truly His.

          “And because iniquity shall abound THE LOVE OF MANY SHALL WAX COLD. But he that shall ENDURE TILL THE END, the same SHALL BE SAVED” Matthew 24:12,13 KJV.

          “… but if any man DRAW BACK, my soul shall have no pleasure in him” Hebrews 10:38 KJV (don’t trell me that because it is the book of Hebrews, it is meant only for the Jews or Hebrews, because it’s so false)

          Oh, not forgetting that the second verses I wrote, the Lord Himself talks about it often even right in the Book of Revelation. How do you people OSAS want to twist His Word again – You must endure till the end to be eternally saved. If you don’t continue in His Word and endure in His ways till the end, then you will become a backslider… and eventually an apostate and we all know that such people are destined for hell fire.

        • MRH

          @ Marc & Suzy: You anti-OSAS folk obviously error in understanding ‘born again’ and ‘sealed’ aspect 🙁

          2Co 1:21-22 KJV – Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

          Eph 1:13-14 KJV – In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

          Eph 4:30 KJV – And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

          1Pe 1:3-5, 23 KJV – Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. … Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

          1Jo 5:1 KJV – Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

          P.S. One can’t get born again, and then revert to a natural man state. Once we are saved we are sealed by God. If we sin afterwards we only break fellowship NOT son-ship. God is still our father, and will chastise or praise us depending on our works; good, evil. We saints are still sinners as we are still human!

      • suez

        Amen Marc! Plus all that is written in Romans!

      • Suzy

        Amen.

        God bless you.

  • Absolutely disgusting. I am loving your helpful articles on the JW’s, Catholicism, the Emergent Church, etc. They are providing us with tools to combat these lies…none of which are more wicked than the prosperity lie.
    Paul, the great apostle and preacher, spoke very clearly on money and the ministry. We need more teachers and preachers with a heart for their precious spiritual children like Paul had. See what he said below:

    http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2014/11/14/teachers-preachers-and-wealth/

    • All ministries – the true as well as the false ones – need money to survive. Paul needed money in his day, yearly operating costs for NTEB exceed $20,000 per year. No one is arguing that ministries need money to operate.

      But.

      When you receive SO MUCH money that you are buying jets and living in 24,000+ square foot mansions, something is very, very wrong with that picture.

      DL Moody, perhaps the greatest preacher since Paul, used the millions that flowed in to build his ministry. He didn’t live in a mansion, didn’t have his own private train car, and before his death GAVE AWAY all the excess money that came in. Let’s see ANY of these modern-day frauds come within a thousand miles of ethics like that!

      Someone once asked Moody if he was planning on leaving money to his kids upon his death, know what he told them? Moody said “No! They are going to have to trust the same God with their lives that I trusted with mine.” What a BOLD, faithful man of God.

      The 2015 televangelist crowd – none of them – are fit to even shine Moody’s boots.

      • carrierwave

        The Lord Jesus did not ‘need’ money for the ministry. THE scriptures tell us what Jesus thought of money by letting Judas hold the bag, who stole from it regularly. John 12:6 Any money Jesus collected went to the poor and to pay taxes, beyond that, the Bible does not mention tithing or collecting money for the ‘ministry’ people call the ‘church’. Much of the trouble today concerning the ‘church’ is because they collect money and go in debt. The only time Paul asked for donations was during the famine for the “poor saints at Jerusalem” or personal provisions (food and clothing, possibly money)for missionary journey. Each christian was commanded to ‘work with his own hands’ that he would be able to give to those saints who “had need”. The ‘church’ is not a building or an organization that is in need of money. God tells us the saints took care of ‘each others needs’ and were encouraged to give to the poor among them. I do not know how much money Moody collected, but not setting aside something for his family when he died is certainly NOT a biblical concept. Our home churches, never collect money for the “ministry”. We buy our own tracts with monies we personally earn; never from a collection taken at ‘church’.

        • suez

          Amen Carriereave! And we’ll said! We have a lot, of or should I say most, preachers now days are nothing more than Fat Shepherds, and I’m not talking about body size. They live off the sheep and most don’t do a days work in a year. They get their sermons off the net or out of someone’s book. Instead of seeking God for a fresh word. Where are the true men of God anymore?

          • Skywatcher

            Oh, come on, Suez! We know where they are! They’re flying around in their lofty jets! Laying all jokes aside, I have to ask myself the same question, “Where are the true men of God anymore?” They’ve been spiritually neutered by being so put down by the clerical elite, that they’re afraid to speak up anymore lest they be called out and made to take account for preaching God’s Word with honesty and integrity.

            They are out there, and those people who have them as shepherds have no idea how truly blessed they are! Amazingly enough, there are many who follow our brothers Geoffrey and Jimmy, and they are the only pastors that they have. That’s NOT a bad thing! 🙂

        • No, Jesus did not need money. When you have the power to make a few loaves and fishes feed 5,000, and you can make your next tax payment appear in a fish’s mouth, you don’t need money. He didn’t need a doctor, either, He just healed them Himself.

          The rest of us do, though 🙂

      • I hear you…but maybe the spirit would be more powerful if these giant churches cut the programs, and, like Paul simply lifted up Jesus Christ and his word? I would love it if pastors had actual jobs(Paul often worked as a tent maker during his ministry). As Paul said, Parents don’t take from children but they are supposed to give to them. The whole business model of ministry(especially churches) is a big, wicked mess…and sure there is some good in those churches…but good is the enemy of best. I personally believe that “best” when it comes to churches and ministries, involves the simplicity of Christ in spreading the gospel message…no matter the cost to the men who run them. The Lord will honor such sacrifice for his glorious gospel.

        I don’t know what you spend your money on, but I do see that you have unique ministry that exposes some of the worst heresies out there so that sinners can perhaps identify their sin and turn from it. It also helps me articulate to JW’s, etc. what exactly is so heretical about their beliefs. That is extremely and eternally valuable.
        The key point is that you don’t get donations from your readers. You receive funds via the marketplace. My problem (and I think Paul’s) is when ministries take from the poor and give to their pastors and teachers. Paul said that if he has food and rainment(clothing) then he is happy. May all of us have that attitude as we press on towards the goal of knowing Jesus Christ our Lord and joining him in eternity. Our best life better not be now….
        http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2014/12/18/heaven-your-best-life-later-part-2/

        I appreciate your work my brother. Come preach with me in Orlando some time…..

  • dAVIE KAUS

    Copeland is satanically possessed. That is quite evident in many of his videos especially the ones where he babbles in ecstatic pagan “tongues.” We are warned in Scripture not to receive “another spirit.” Most, if not all of the pagan religions of the world manifest the same Kundalini spirit that is in Copeland, and those who manifest the same things he does; laughing uncontrollably, being slain “in the spirit,” speaking in ecstatic tongues, etc.. We also see Hagan and the people in the below video being possessed with this pagan Kundalini demonic spirit.

    Copeland has allowed many “other spirits” to inhabit him due to his greed, deception, false doctrine, pagan manifestations, and total apostasy that now includes a union with popery, and Roman Catholicism.

    It is a given that the pagan ecstatic “tongues” spirit/manifestation is one of the major vehicles in unifying apostate Christianity, and all pagan religions under the leadership of the pope and Roman Catholicism to form the last days, end time Whore Church.

    We can see that pope Francis is purging this religious Whore system of all sound doctrine, and is promoting it as a center piece of World Government. His recent announcements that atheist go to heaven, as well as pagans, and that belief in Jesus Christ is NOT necessary to go to heaven certainly marks him, and this Whore of Babylon Church assembly as one that has satan as its head. Popery/Roman Catholicism is proud to announce this fact in many ways. One of which is the name given to its binocular telescope in Arizona named……….LUCIFER.

    At about the 3:40 mark of the below video you will see Copeland at his satanic best.

    • Skywatcher

      As a Pentecostal, I am THOROUGHLY DISGUSTED!!! I have never seen such a pit full of demons like this in all my life! These idiots remind me of nothing short of demons let loose! Absolutely sickening as I watch the blond (in particular) up front in the mauve/purple jacket! They’re all a shame and a reproach to the cross of Christ, and He who hung upon it!

      Forgive me folks, but I can find no love in my heart for these folk at the moment! With the REAL anointing of Almighty God,I just want to “reach out and touch somebody”, if you know what I mean! In this clip, I do NOT see one thing being done here that abides with Scripture! “The blind leading the blind”! So sad, and what’s sadder is that they obviously are NOT using God’s Word as their measuring rod/standard!

      They’re laughing at him (the evangedevil) because he THINKS he’s funny! Let’s see how much laughing any of them do on Judgment Day! UGH!

      • MRH

        Charismatic is NOT biblical it is demonic! (see my post regarding things) 😉

    • MRH

      The Charismatic movement has nothing to do with scripture! Such churches are but demon playgrounds. I recently visited a couple of such and I could sense spirits in the air, and as well see them in the actions of the people. It was very unsettling plus loud and obnoxious behavior. Nothing remotely connected to tongues or such according to scripture.

      In fact biblical tongues serve two purposes; edify (believers), build (church). Tongues are also to be done with decency, not with chaos. Likewise with prophecies, decent and in order, and only a few should speak (not the whole church). In the words of Paul…

      1Co 14:2-4, 13-15, 22-23, 26, 33, 39-40 KJV – For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. … Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. … Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? … How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying. … For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. … Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. Let all things be done decently and in order.

      P.S. The ‘tongues’ speaker is the one to ‘interpret’, NOT someone else in the room, as commonly taught.

      • David Kaus

        Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not

        The gift of real languages “tongues” were given as a sign to unbelieving Israel that the wonderful works of God through Jesus Christ were for Jew and Gentile. Once Israel as a nation rejected the Messiah Jesus Christ, and God brought His judgment on them in 70 A.D.that gift was no longer needed as a sign to unbelieving Jews.

        The charismatic/Pentecostal junk that is going around today with ecstatic pagan “tongues” is neither biblical, nor does it follow any of the guidelines of Scripture. Often there is not an interpretation, and if there is one it is entirely bogus, and the pagan utterances are given to the “believers” present not to unbelievers.

        This manifestation, like so many false ones, are simply bondage to emotionalism that denies what is written in Scripture. Man’s pride would rather lift himself up emotonally in error, and pride, rather than obey the objective Word of God. It’s Eve in the garden all over again, and Adam giving in to Eve rather than obeying God’s Word.

        • Skywatcher

          David Kaus, you said, “Once Israel as a nation rejected the Messiah Jesus Christ, and God brought His judgment on them in 70 A.D.that gift was no longer needed as a sign to unbelieving Jews.”

          Where do you find supportive Scripture for this foolish notion? Somebody has seriously bewitched your understanding of tongues and Scripture in this regard.

          Let me just share a little something with you, as a Pentecostal, more correctly (Bapti-costal, my terminology) Saved in a Baptist Church and had the real tongues experience later on, and now attending an Independent Baptist Church. Speaking in tongues…YES, I have been baptized by the Holy Spirit and have spoken in tongues; please don’t stone me, folks!

          I agree with David Kaus in part, and not completely. However, Pentecostals should NOT be grouped together with Charismatics! We older ones, mature in Christ, strongly abhor what they’re doing, just as I strongly abhor David’s belief that tongues are not for today! We are still in the Church Age, and this is one of the ministering gifts of the Holy Spirit. Until David proves otherwise, please stick with Scripture!

          Apostle Paul said, “Not all speak with tongues”, but HE DID!

          David, you said, “Man’s pride would rather lift himself up emotonally in error, and pride, rather than obey the objective Word of God.”

          You’re correct in the first half of that statement, but you’re tossing out parts of the Word of God that you have not yet experienced nor desire to! Therefore, all must come under your condemnation? Stick with me here…I’d watch out if I were you! I received the gift when I was merely worshipping and praising God while walking through the woods! I wasn’t even asking for it!

          Having said that, I MUST say this: WITH ALL MY BEING, I wish that God had NOT used tongues to show His Presence or stamp of approval on the early Church!!! It has caused so much mockery within the body of Christ… within all of Christendom! Why is that? Because it is so easily faked, and who is the listener or observer to say “it was of God” or “it wasn’t?!” Prove it! Why would they want to fake it? I’m so glad you asked! So they can belong to that particular group, or be able to identify with them. It DOES NOT impress God one little bit if they speak in tongues or NOT! In fact, I CAN guarantee you that it angers Him to see people faking it for the reasons I’ve mentioned. I have seen many people “speak with unknown tongues”, etc., and use that same tongue to tear others apart with gossip, judgmentalism, legalism, etc. This ought not to be! I have seen it in your comments, aka Glory.

          I have not seen the fruit of this so-called “Holy Ghost” in many of their lives outside of the sanctuary. What they actually have is the spirit of Kundhalini (Hinduism), and NOT the H.S. Frothing, foaming, hitching, twitching, gyrating, “slayed by the H.S.”, rolling, laughing uncontrollably, etc. is NOT the Holy Spirit! It is beyond shameful!

          There is NO precedent of this in God’s Word, apart from demon possession! I have removed myself from people with these manifestations! Thankfully, I did not witness very much of that in my more conservative Pentecostal circles of many years ago! As far as we were concerned, the “Charismatics” were people to be VERY leery of, because they took it outside of the realm of God’s Word and authority, and we didn’t want to be identified with them, as we wrongly have been in the past and still are apparently, by David’s diatribe here.

          Then again, I have witnessed the real “McCoy”! I have heard messages in tongues that were given in KNOWN languages, that were expressly for guests visiting the congregation, who spoke a foreign language. One case in point…My first year of Bible college, during our convocation service…

          There were thousands of people there, and we were all worshipping and praising God with one accord. SUDDENLY…and SIMULTANEOUSLY… the music stopped, as did the singing. There was a “holy hush” throughout the huge auditorium. Imagine this…you have almost 3,000 people and when that hush hit, there was NOT ONE straggling voice heard after everybody else quieted down. There was NO gradual decline in volume, to peter out, but INSTANTLY! You could hear a pin drop. There was such a strong sense of electrifying expectancy, an expectancy to hear Almighty God speak an utterance. He didn’t let us down!!!

          After a brief pause, somebody spoke a bunch of words from one side of the auditorium, loudly enough that all could hear. Seconds later, a man arose, and asked that person what part of Holland he was from. They had NEVER been to Holland! The recipient of the message could NOT believe that reply. He said, “You MUST BE from Holland; you just spoke to me in my mother tongue, giving me an answer to a question I had been asking God…in perfect Dutch!”

          The person again denied having ever being there or having any training in Dutch, giving all the glory to God. I have seen this more than once! What an experience! And, the best part was…it was Scriptural. As on the Day of Pentecost, the people from other countries heard and understood IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE!

          what do we do with Paul’s teaching implying that not all speak in tongues?” I Cor. 12: 30. We had a Bible study right then and there! She felt much relieved afterwards, and has since gone home to be with Jesus!

          I have had serious discussions with God about this, asking why? WHY?! Why give a sign that can be so easily mimicked? I’m still frustrated in this regard. I wish there was no such thing as “tongues”! It causes horrible dissension, fear, heartbreak, church break-ups, misunderstandings, broken relationships, etc. etc. Satan is having a heyday with this flesh-induced counterfeiting tool of fear (when used in the wrong hands)! The real thing is indescribable, as to how it builds up one’s faith, courage, empowerment, etc. It simply edifies that body of believers beyond measure, and is a VERY powerful witness to unbelievers!

          Yet, the whole of I Cor. 14 is about that very subject and it IS for today! In vs. 39, Paul says, “Wherefore brethren, covet to prophesy, and FORBID NOT TO SPEAK WITH TONGUES.” In fact, the “gift of tongues” is still for the Church today, as much as the other gifts are. SEEK THE GIVER, NOT the gift!

          We cannot just pick out the parts of God’s Word that we like or can identify with and toss out the rest, attempting to convince our listeners/readers that we are the ultimate authority on the matter and we are correct…when we are not!

          I know this will rock your boat and rock it hard, but we MUST always take Scriptures into context, and use all the supporting Scriptures correctly to form doctrine…”rightly dividing the word of truth”! I hope I have helped somebody out who also needed some clarification on this.

          David, I’ll be awaiting for those scriptures that tell us that tongues are not for today!

          • sharon

            1 Corinthians 13:8-12
            8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.

            11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.

        • MRH

          David Kaus: You need to better study your bible brother 🙂 None of the gifts have ceased including tongues 😉

          Eph 4:8, 11-13 KJV – Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. … And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

          1Co 12:1, 4, 7-11, 27-28 KJV – Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. … Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. … But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. … Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

          Now some like to use the below scripture out of context to prove that the gifts are long ceased 😉

          1Co 13:8-10 KJV – Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

          Only one problem with such reasoning though, and that is that if tongues have ceased, then so has prophecy and knowledge ceased. And also the church has ceased, as the gifts are unto the church until Christ returns 😉

          • David Kaus

            MRH it seems that you can not even understand the scripture you quoted but have only put your own spin on it. 1Co 13:8-10 KJV – Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

            That which is perfect has come, the completed Scripture, and as stated in 1 Cor 13:8-10 when that comes the gift of tongues, etc shall vanish away. This isn’t just my reasoning it is what Scripture clearly says. Some how your reasoning is that the statement of Scripture about tongues ceasing can not be true because it also states that the gift of knowledge shall vanish away, and prophecies shall also. That’s the subjective “logic/reasoning” you bring forth in your accusation and denial of what Scripture states to be true. And your reasoning is rejecting what God clearly is stating.

            Now if you want to use some reasoning then ask yourself why these gifts were given to the early church ? As I stated the gift of real languages “tongues” was given for the unbelieving Jew. Such was clearly the case at Pentecost Acts 2:4-11; Samaria Acts 8:14-17; and Cornelius the centurion’s house in Acts 10:44-46. In each case the gift given was as verification to the unbelieving Jew’s that the Gentiles, and Samaritans were not to be called unclean, but are on equal terms with the Jews in God’s eyes in the body of Christ.

            At Pentecost the unbelieving Jews were those from other nations in Jerusalem.

            The Samaritans were hated by the Jews, the apostles marveled that Jesus would talk to a Samaritan woman. These same apostles heard that the Samaritans received the word of God, and went to them from Jerusalem to authenticate that they also received the baptism of the Holy Spirit when they laid their hands on them thus affirming that it was witnessed, and administered by the leaders of the Church.

            The events prior to the house of Cornelius being given the gift of tongues with the baptism of the Holy Spirit after they heard the Word of God from Peter, shows us that Peter, a Jew, had to be instructed by God not to call unclean what He had called clean. The Holy Spirit told Peter to go to the house of Cornelius not doubting. In each of these cases mentioned there are unbelieving Jews witnessing “the wonderful works of God” being spoken in another language to verify that the Gentiles/Samaritans were on equal terms with the believing Jews.

            Here is another Scripture that speaks of the sign of other tongues being given to Israel:

            “Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. “In the law” it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak “unto this people;” and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe” (1 Cor. 14:20-22).

            Isaiah 28:11 is mentioned in 1 Corinthians 14:21 again witnessing to the fact that God would speak to unbelieving Jews in another tongue.

            After Jerusalem fell in 70 A.D. in its rejection of Jesus Christ as their Messiah, there was no further need of the sign of tongues God, miraculously gave, to show them that the New Covenant included Jews and Gentiles. In addition by this time many Gentiles had come to belief in Jesus Christ as well as Jews.

            It is important to realize that the “gift” of knowledge would cease after that which was perfect was come, and not knowledge itself, and the prophetic Word of God in Scripture would also cease after Scripture was completed.

            At the time of the writing of 1 Corinthians there were only two other Epistles that preceded it; 1st and 2nd Thessalonians, and the Gospel of Matthew. Obviously a tremendous amount of knowledge, and prophetic word were not available to the Church when 1 Corinthians was written since only 4 of the 27 books were available at that time to some degree depending on their distribution. That created a need for some type of clear guidance for the Church then that would be infallible. The “gifts” of knowledge, and prophecy guided the church in areas, and subjects not available to them till Scripture was complete.

            Greek was the universal language for the most part in apostolic times, and God had the New Testament written out in Greek to have it easily spread throughout the Gentile world. As time went on the New Testament was translated into other Gentile languages.

            Today with the Bible available in just about every known major language, and the cannon of Scripture being completed, what need is there to speak in the Church to anyone one in another tongue ??? even if it wasn’t a sign for the Jews, or to give a Scriptural prophetic word ??? or to add and knowledge to God’s Word. In fact there is a warning in Scripture that anyone who would add or subtract from Scripture is cursed of God.

            Paul’s admonition in 1 Corinthians about not to forbid to speak in tongues has to be taken in context with every thing else in 1 Corinthians about speaking in tongues. His statement therefore does not exclude the fact that he went on to say that the gift of tongues would cease when that which is perfect is come, and that it was a sign for the unbelieving Jew.

            When a clear understanding of the purpose of the gifts of knowledge, and prophecy, and tongues is seen it clears up a lot of confusion about why God has foretold of those gifts ceasing when that which is perfect, Scripture, is completed.

          • Suez

            DAVID Kaus: You stated: “in 1 Cor 13:8-10 when that comes the gift of tongues, etc shall vanish away. This isn’t just my reasoning it is what Scripture clearly says. Some how your reasoning is that the statement of Scripture about tongues ceasing can not be true because it also states that the gift of knowledge shall vanish away, and prophecies shall also. That’s the subjective “logic/reasoning” you bring forth in your accusation and denial of what Scripture states to be true. And your reasoning is rejecting what God clearly is stating.” DAVID, Maybe your the one not interrupting the scriptures right? I’m not picking any sides here, but, that which is perfect has NOT come! It is talking about the Coming of Christ at the second coming. HE is perfect, the word we have isn’t quite perfect, as it has be translated over and over and over again. Yes the King James is the closest we have, but even it has been translated from translations. We have Never had in our day the completed Scriptures, to go by, just bits and pieces. I am a strong supporter of the King James, but I can see a few flaws there also. Do you think they needed the gifts more then we do now? I am NOT a supporter of these crazy devilish Charismatics like Copeland and that bunch. But, there is a true, and there is a false. Satan always tries to destroy what God has, by counterfeiting them. I see in this world Knowledge increasing, not stopping!!!! I see many people, including myself, that the Father is opening up scripture to in these last days! That is Knowledge sir! Are you baptist perhaps? Tongues isn’t just for public display. It is for prayer and worship for the Child of God! Many of us have wanted all that God has to give us, and it is a sweet precious time with him in our time of prayer. Please don’t throw the baby out with the bath water, so to speak. 1Co 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
            1Co 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. 1Co 14:1 Follow after charity, and DESIRE spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
            1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but UNTO GOD: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit HE SPEAKETH mysteries.
            Pauls letter was to the Church, ALL the Church! We are the Church if we are in Christ! This NEVER changes! I’m tired of people picking out the scriptures they don’t agree with, and tossing them out. It boarders on blasphemy. My hope for you is that you prayerfully seek God on this, and open up, and stop dwelling in the doctrines of men! Have a good day.

    • patrice

      dave do you have the link to this kenneth hagin video as I want to send it to someone who loves Kenneth Hagin. This is definitely demonic.

      • David Kaus

        Patrice: Here is the information about Hagan you requested:

        Search Results
        Kenneth Hagin and Kenneth Copeland demonic … – YouTube
        Video for https://youtu.be/33mZ9UrGDMY▶ 5:50

        Oct 29, 2012 – Uploaded by mechengine777
        End time deception in the Sunday churches. Visit remnantofgod.org for more information on the upcoming end …

        • patrice

          thank you dave and God bless!

          • David Kaus

            You’re welcome Patrice. I just tried to post this and again a window came up that I’m posting too soon, which is hardly the case. With what I’m seeing posted and the frequency of some post, I have to wonder why I’m being selected in this manner. Well I’ll keep trying to post this and see what happens.

        • SKYWATCHER

          David Kaus, how come you didn’t directly respond to my earlier response to your very negative and anti-tongues post? I guess you didn’t read my response to you, mentioning an experience where a man was present who heard a message in tongues in his own native language of Dutch by someone who DID NOT know a word of Dutch? You might want to check that post out, as I KNOW you’ll find it mighty informative, and partially on your side…speaking as a Pentecostal/Bapticostal speaking out against some “tongues”! Now, that’s really saying something.

          As for the cessation of tongues, you’re RIGHT! They stopped when the age of grace did; they stopped when the Holy Spirit was removed from the earth. They stopped when Jesus said, “Not just anybody may come…” And, I know for sure, tongues ceased when there was no longer any need for the Lord’s Supper to be celebrated or baptisms to be performed! Of course, I’m being facetious here, but you get the picture! Why would one particular operational element cease when the others haven’t? Because YOU haven’t experienced it? Because you’ve seen it abused by others and you’re afraid? Perhaps it goes against your doctrinal statement of faith? God will NOT accept any of those excuses!

          You have stated that this phenomenon stopped at 70 A.D. However, there is no proof of such. Knowledge has not ceased either and CANNOT be used as a reason for such. Why not? I’m glad you asked! Because much is yet to be revealed in these last days from the Book of Daniel, as is presently happening at warp speed, (Dan. 12: 4).

          To use the completion of the Scriptures as a fulfillment is very lame and theologically unsound. You also said tongues was used in the “early Church”, and you are correct. However, they were given TO THE CHURCH, and not specifically to the “EARLY” Church, and… we are still in the Church Age! I don’t remember getting a news bulletin from Heavenly Headquarters telling me any differently. The grace that was afforded way back then is still afforded today, just as the giftings in the Holy Spirit are! You cannot have the one without the other.

          God doesn’t send His ministering servants out without being properly equipped, and unfortunately, many of them have dropped this equipment, and will have to deal with God about that in the future. For some reason, maybe peer pressure or afraid they’re “doing it in the flesh” (as we’ve seen in the videos), they have stifled this particular move of the Holy Spirit in their lives and in their ministry; their ministry and flock suffer as a result. The Church loses its fire…it’s vigor and enthusiasm to serve the Lord with gladness and joy, and that involves sharing the gospel with others, richly anointed and empowered by the Holy Spirit. In the place of the Holy Spirit’s energy, we have rock bands, bars, bright lights, foolish goings-on, etc. that God has NO delight in!

          NOWHERE in Scripture is one encouraged NOT to use the gift of tongues either for corporate worship or for individual prayer time with God! Nor, is there Scripture ANYWHERE definitively and expressly telling us not to avail ourselves to the Holy Spirit in this way. If this was such a huge issue to God, surely He would’ve directed the scribes to put that into the Book also, one would logically think. I challenge you, David, to show us such proof, please.

          “When that which is perfect is come…” That’s Christ, and He has not come back yet, or so the MSM tells me!

          I could spend two weeks responding to your response to MRH on the topic, but I won’t do that, as I’ve been there with others who only had tunnel vision and strong biases because they were misinformed and turned off by ruthless and narrow-minded Christians who didn’t properly understand what Paul was encouraging the saints to avail themselves to. They were SCARED to death that God might endow them with this gift, and it would go against their doctrinal statement and they’d be forced out of their comfort zone and into a tongue-speaking church! HOW SHAMEFUL! These people were very self-righteous, judgmental, and legalistic toward all others who possessed the freedom in the Holy Spirit, to be who He called them to be: alive, vibrant, excited, happy, joyful, fulfilled, influential in their witness, etc.. Happy to be ALIVE in JESUS!

          On the contrary! These powerless saints served Christ with a sense of obligation. There was very little IF ANY joy, excitement, or enthusiasm in their walk with Christ! They appeared to have had lemons for breakfast; grapefruit for lunch, and dried butterless toast for supper! They gargled with battery acid just before going to bed! Sadly, they turned many others away from Him. Like Saul of Tarsus, they thought they were doing God a service! They were just killing prospective baby Christians with all of the above acts of false piety, self-righteousness, etc..

          I, on the other hand, am a soul winner! I thrive on being such, and people love to hear me expound the Scriptures to them, saying, “Wow! I never heard anyone speak about the Bible the way you do! You bring it down where I can actually understand it, and you share it with such passion…like you really believe it! How can one NOT believe what you are saying when it is the truth?!”

          That’s just a few of the comments I get, and of course, ALL the glory goes to the risen Lord! His Spirit gives me the words to say, and I say them with love, compassion, mercy, and sometimes a heated passion! But let me tell you…before I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit, you couldn’t pry a word of witness out of me!!!!! I was well on my way of becoming like the ones above, citrus lovers, who didn’t have “it” and who knew absolutely NOTHING about what they were talking about UNTIL He poured Himself out upon THEM in the same way! Look out! Don’t get in the way of those who were touched by the fire of the Holy Spirit; those former “citrus lovers” have “caught the wave”! They’ll run all over you, anxious to tell somebody else what Jesus has done for them! Their lives have been totally changed and their is plenty of fruit to prove it!

          A great many of the Southern Gospel songs and hymns that you love and are blessed by have been inspired of the Holy Ghost and WRITTEN BY PENTECOSTALS! Oh Yeah!

          Oh yes, before I forget…there are several Baptist pastors in my area who also speak in tongues! Their congregations are o.k. with it too, because they showed their flock what God’s Word has to say about it! Shocking! Absolutely shocking when God kicks against the pricks and the goads, and comes out of the boxes we so neatly and conveniently attempt to close Him up in! We say He cannot do this or do that; it’s not for today; I don’t believe in it, etc. God says, Let me show you a new and better way! And man! Was He ever right! Not that He is ever wrong, as you know! Let Him out of your private box, yield your life totally to Him and stand back and see what He can do! If you are not in the habit of keeping a journal of answered prayer, miracles, and other ways God has moved in your life or used you to minister to others, etc., I STRONGLY encourage you to do so!

          From all the posts I’ve made here, and on other posts Geoffrey has put up, it’s readily apparent that I CANNOT and DARE NOT shut up when it comes to serving my Lord or putting a word in for Him! We’re quickly running out of time, and we need to speak up now, “while it is yet day”!

          It boils down to this, my brother et al: I cannot tell you how great maple syrup or strawberry shortcake tastes until I’ve had a taste. The same applies here…one cannot tell how great and wonderful this GENUINE experience is until you’ve had a chance to “taste it” for yourself. However, we need to always remember: Paul said, “NOT all speak with tongues.” However, a great many do, because they seek the GIVER, NOT the gift! If God knows we can handle such a treasure of a ministry tool as this, with responsibility and integrity, etc., He will give it to you…without you asking for it!

          Let’s not forget…speaking in tongues is for today, just as prophesying is: Joel 2: 28-32:

          “And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon ALL flesh (not just Jews); and your sons and your daughters shall PROPHESY, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: (This is happening repeatedly among the Muslims and others who are being converted to Christianity!)

          And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit. (He and His gifts are available to all!)
          (Still to come:) And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
          And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.” (This salvation is still available today and will be during the Great Tribulation.)

          I hope this is of some help to somebody! I don’t know why God allows Satan to work through the Saints, to take something so beautiful, practical, blessed, and beneficial and to turn it into something so ugly, reviling, and nasty as a weapon to use against one another! I wouldn’t give up this gift for two worlds!

          • David Kaus

            If you read my post to MRH then you have my answer whether you understand it or not. May I suggest that you read it over and over again until you can understand it. That may take 100 times or more but it will be well worth the effort. There is a lot of information in that post, that is bibical, with a historical, and Scriptural perspective.

            I’ve tested the spirits of those who are deceived with the ecstatic tongues deception, as Scripture tells us to do, and they can not testify that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh when under control of that spirit (in other words they deny that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh, which is the spirit of anti Christ), nor can they do anything but twist Scripture when trying to defend their unbiblical experience.

            The prophecy of Joel you gave reference to above was not totally fulfilled at Pentecost, but it will find it final and total fulfillment when the Jews look upon Him whom they have pierced at the end of the Great Tribulation. You’ve misused this Scripture like you have twisted others to try to justify your false belief in tongues.

            Using Scripture to try to help people in seeing their error on this issue is usually fruitless because there is no attempt to try to understand the Scripture being used. But you may want to ask yourself this question. Why is it that this deceptive ecstatic tongues issues is so much a vehicle in the formation of the Whore Church, and is manifested in Roman Catholicism, and why are apostate Christians full of ecstatic tongues babblers like Kenneth Copeland, and Hagin ??? And why is it that these same ecstatic tongues are seen in its exact manifestation in all pagan religions, along with slaying in the spirit, etc ??? You would think that this would be a wake up call for those who have eyes to see, but it seldom is because the carnal nature is gratified by sensual emotionalism, and easily rejects the objective Word of God.

            As for your advice to “taste” of this “experience,” no thak you, I don’t partake of pagan experiences. You were right in stating that what you have is an “experience.” The entire Whore Church is filled with mystical experiences such as ecstatic tongues, there in do they find their “unity in love,” which rejects the objective Word of God.

            Now unless you have any thing of real substance to say, or have a sincere question, I won’t take any more time to respond to your post but will leave you to eat of all the strawberry short cake you want !!!

      • David Kaus

        Hello Patrice: I responded to your request about a web address for the video I posted about Hagin and Copeland above. It has been deleted from this web site along with one I posted about the gift of languages “tongues” being a sign for the Jews till 70 A.D., and its unscriptural use today in many ways.

        On any video you can get the web address by moving your mouse arrow on to the time bar in the video at any point (located on the bottom of all videos) Right click on this bar and a window will come up. Select the information in the window that you need to copy, left click on it, and you have it to paste into a browser. Once you do that then just hit search and it will come up.

        • Skywatcher

          David, you are a very self-righteous and judgmental person. You said, “I’ve tested the spirits of those who are deceived with the ecstatic tongues deception, as Scripture tells us to do, and they can not testify that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh when under control of that spirit (in other words they deny that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh, which is the spirit of anti Christ), nor can they do anything but twist Scripture when trying to defend their unbiblical experience.”

          You’re right! Those phonies CANNOT testify that Christ has come in the flesh! I ALSO spoke out against their blasphemous behavior, if you read my posts slowly and carefully, w/out malice and judgment.

          “THEY” do twist the Scriptures when trying to defend their UN-biblical experience!!! I agree! However, only a judgmental and narrow-minded fool would discredit the real thing!

          Regularly, I’m telling somebody that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh and is Lord! I’m under control of the Holy Spirit 24/7; He lives within me, and if I go to do something that displeases Him or dishonors Him, He’s the very first to let me know! Kundalini spirits do NOT do that! They would probably do and encourage the opposite!

          Yes, I’ve had that experience. Often? NO! Do I hang my salvation upon the operation of that particular biblical gift? Not at all! Just because you haven’t had the experience, doesn’t mean it is ALL pagan or Kundalini spirits! That’s parallel to accusing Jesus of casting out demons in the name of Beelzebub! After all, He has given us the real genuine gift, and it is a most precious thing. It breaks my heart to see idiots and demons bastardizing what God has given to the Church for very good reasons.

          You CHOOSE not to distinguish between the genuine gift and these foolish demonic antics of the heretics this article is about. You group everybody into the same bus, pour gasoline and it, and burn us together. That’s NOT what Christ would do! Your beef is NOT with me, or others who have the GENUINE gift of speaking in tongues (which is NOT permanent, by the way!); it’s with God.

          Let’s just take for granted my experience is real. No amount of argument can ever disqualify my experience, no matter what the topic may be! When it aligns with God’s Word and the person assigns all glory and praise to Him, who gave the gift, there is no good argument. It stands for itself. I cannot tell a woman who has experienced birth pains that it didn’t happen just because I didn’t experience! That’s what you’re doing, and I’m NOT a follower or supporter of these charismatic clowns, and don’t appreciate being grouped together with them!

          You don’t need to break your word and reply. But beware! You’re the kind that God is NOT above pouring HIS spirit out upon in such a manner! After all…it is a sign to the unbeliever! That would be so hilarious, but you’d be too ashamed and embarrassed to confess it out loud to anybody! Then Mark 8: 38 would kick in…because the Holy Spirit is the third Person in the Trinity…

  • Sharon

    ‘Call no one else ‘teacher’ as I Am your ONLY Teacher’.

    • Skywatcher

      Sharon, we need to take this into context! There are many good Bible teachers out there! In fact, in his day,Paul sat under the teaching of Gamaliel, a celebrated doctor of the Jewish law. Also, we see in Scripture that some are called to be teachers, i.e., Eph. 4; 11; Heb. 5: 12.

      Jesus has told US to go forth into all the world and to “teach all nations”. Mt. 28: 19.

      Can you provide a reference for the verse you’ve quoted, please? I don’t see any such Scripture…

      • sharon

        Just something to think about…

        Hebrews 8

        I will put my laws in their minds
        and write them on their hearts.
        I will be their God,
        and they will be my people.
        11No longer will they teach their neighbour,
        or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
        because they will all know me,
        from the least of them to the greatest.

        That is the problem today. It is a Spiritual personal relationship that the Lord requires of us today. He requires us to go to Him and speak to Him when we are weary or need to know something. He will send the answers in many ways. It does not say ONCE that we should go to church..in fact it is the scribes etc that Jesus tore down when He was here. It is only written occasionally gather together and speak of Him.

        11“The multitude of your sacrifices—
        what are they to me?” says the Lord.
        “I have more than enough of burnt offerings,
        of rams and the fat of fattened animals;
        I have no pleasure
        in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats.
        12When you come to appear before me,
        who has asked this of you,
        this trampling of my courts?
        13Stop bringing meaningless offerings!
        Your incense is detestable to me.
        New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations—
        I cannot bear your worthless assemblies.
        14Your New Moon feasts and your appointed festivals
        I hate with all my being.

        They have become a burden to me;
        I am weary of bearing them.
        15When you spread out your hands in prayer,
        I hide my eyes from you;
        even when you offer many prayers,
        I am not listening.

        • sharon

          It is the bottom verse that speaks of what God holds precious and what He tires of. I would not mock anyone who does these things as they do it in worship of the Lord, but the Lord does not want these ‘repetitious rituals’ as He has said in the New Testament. It is a personal relationship that He requires and, with that, one does not need to go to anyone else for advice..not when He is standing right there waiting for you. When I awoke to the Lord, I stopped going to church as I could ‘see’ all the ‘human laws’ that were in place and how they had kept me ‘grounded’.

          • MRH

            “It is a personal relationship that He requires and, with that, one does not need to go to anyone else for advice..not when He is standing right there waiting for you”

            True, but the Lord may direct us unto other sources for varied knowledge. The bible isn’t his only portal 😉

          • sharon

            That is true MRH..He is doing that right now 🙂 But if you don’t go to the churches, He will get that answer to you anyway.

          • sharon

            Matthew 6
            5“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

            6And he said unto me, these sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent His angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

            7Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

            8And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. 9Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

            10And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. 11He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

          • sharon

            May you read this with the Spirit..

            Cor…1Brothers and sisters, I could not address you as people who live by the Spirit but as people who are still worldly—mere infants in Christ. 2I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. 3You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarrelling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere humans? 4For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not mere human beings?

            5What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe—as the Lord has assigned to each his task. 6I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God has been making it grow. 7So neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow. 8The one who plants and the one who waters have one purpose, and they will each be rewarded according to their own labor. 9For we are co-workers in God’s service; you are God’s field, God’s building.

            10By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care. 11For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

            16Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst? 17If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.

            18Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become “fools” so that you may become wise. 19For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness ”a ; 20and again, “The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile.”b 21So then, no more BRAGGING about human leaders!

          • Dianne

            Hi Sharon,
            When you posted from Corinthians you did not write out the scripture. First or second Corinthians and what chapter. Thanks
            Also what version are you using?

          • MRH

            “That is true MRH..He is doing that right now 🙂 But if you don’t go to the churches, He will get that answer to you anyway.”

            @sharon: Oh the Lord guides me daily. And I go to church for; comfort, knowledge, witness, food, friends, etc.

            Below is my latest web project as instructed by the Lord. Which I hope you will consider visiting and commenting on? 🙂

            http://aeroventure.com/Wonderland/Wonderland.htm

            P.S. No church is perfect (all are flawed), but many do offer havens. However many also are too religious or worldly. No ones needs church games, but everyone needs fellowship. So one must weigh things in church aspect 😉

          • sharon

            Thankyou MRH..I am glad you enjoy going to gather for the Lord’s Name. I learn more from the Lord in my private worship though and that is my favourite place. Ihope you don’t mind, but there is something I would like to share with you..only 2..but I hope it will help you to understand where I am coming from. The Lord said He would send visions and dreams and that He would pour out the Spirit in different levels..that is why I would not mock anything you do that is in worship of him..as He has, to each of us, a purpose. Thankyou…

            Trembling..

            Upon my waking heart You did pour
            Your Spirit drenched my soul even more
            An awakening to Your world of Light
            A child of the day..gone be the night
            My humble soul in Your Presence did kneel
            With a trembling heart and a Love..oh so real
            My Lord my King..my face to the floor
            Gone is this world..it doesn’t exist anymore

            Remembering Your Call Lord

            Sharon Maree

            Through My Soul’s Eyes…

            My every thought, they are Yours to behold
            Let not my best mind spill that which is unclean
            Let not this fear cause it to offer forth
            that which is only human..
            lest it wound Your very Heart with its abhorrence..
            a filthy rag to intrude on that which is Perfection.
            Hear it not..I beg of You..Hear it not..
            so as to wound not my very essence
            with the thought that I may offend You
            Wound me not this way..
            lest I desire only to exist no more!
            Oh but to die as every thought is below You.
            Even those that are earthly fine..
            hang their heads in shame..
            happy themselves to exist no more.

            Yet I see depth..I see width..Oh height..
            with my souls eye does it see..
            Is it not too great for my soul to perceive..
            that which is perfection..consume all?
            all that is purposed..all that belongs did my soul embrace
            Oh to melt into You
            Unadorned with falsity my soul exposed and unprotected
            though not of earthly understanding
            Exquisite, naked purity that lures the soul..
            drenching one with ecstasy unperturbed
            Oh simple soul will you not faint?
            Can I not think to even draw breath?
            Satiate!
            This honey..this nectre Divine..
            am I to just dissolve?

            I saw with my soul’s eye..eternity..
            with my soul’s eye…Home.

            Sharon Maree

          • MRH

            Sharon Maree: We each have our calling according to the gifts he gave the church. Some have visions or dreams, others plain revelations. Others are apostles or pastors. All depending on what ministry we are assigned to. But we all are witnesses unto the faith. As for gifts, I’ve a few including; revelation, discerning, tongues, etc. However I’m not a miracle worker or healer. Nor am I fit as a minister or pastor. Though I do teach as the Lord instructs me. As with new website I posted here dealing with end time matters. Did you not see the link?

          • sharon

            @MRH..yes I did visit..very much along the same lines of what I have looked into to 🙂 Seek, Seek, seek!! ‘They will run to and fro gaining knowledge…’

            Well done!!

        • Skywatcher

          Hi there, Sharon! No need to take any time to think about it! You said, “Hebrews 8

          11No longer will they teach their neighbour,
          or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
          because they will all know me,
          from the least of them to the greatest.”

          May I humbly remind you that the latter part of that text has NOT happened yet, and furthermore, it applies only to the House of Israel, which you conveniently left out! Now you’re being as deceptive as these televangel-demons are! But going along with your little deception,

          You stated, “11No longer will they teach their neighbour, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.”

          May I remind you that that has not happened yet? Until then, God has given us very good Bible teachers for a reason! As for attending church, Paul addressed this quite well in Heb. 10: 25,

          “Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another; and SO MUCH THE MORE, AS YE SEE THE DAY APPROACHING”. (Emphasis mine)

          You said, “It is only written occasionally gather together and speak of Him.”

          I say, how many times does one have to be reminded to get the hint? Furthermore, in the N.T., we have many times and places where the Church met together for encouragement, instruction, and correction. Paul spent most of his ministry meeting with churches.

          The body of Christ is just that…a body, and we are all members of His body. Let me put this in language you and others may understand better. The Church of Christ is supposed to be a live and very vibrant entity, bearing lambs for the Master. Its “heat” (influence) should be felt near and far. So…if we have a campfire, and it’s burning brightly and giving off much needed heat, what happens when a stick happens to roll off and away from the fire?

          It is no longer a contributor to the greater outcome
          It cools off and dies out
          It is hard to reignite after a period of time
          It has lost its influence
          It receives no benefit from the other sticks that are burning brightly
          It smolders and struggles along, trying to burn, but the other logs cannot reach it to help it along, and so…it eventually dies out.

          I could go on and on, as most people here realize, but suffice it to say…a leg is no good when separated from the body. If you should be part of the arm (a tendon) of the body of Christ and you have severed yourself from the rest of the body, what good are you? How can you minister and edify others within the body? How can they reciprocate in kind to you? Christ didn’t make us His body to look pretty, but to be functional, practical, and beneficial.

          Which stick are you? Smoldering or burning brightly, being influential to others on a grand scale or struggling to hang on?

          Let me assure you, as long as you’re using a counterfeit Satanic bible, you’re not going to be doing well on either count… It would be very helpful to the rest of us, if you would please use the KJV. It’s called, “The Holy Bible” for very good reasons.

          • sharon

            I take great offence when you accuse me of deceiving..but not offence for myself.. for the Lord, as it is He that has spoken of this to me.

            As you have written that ‘the Lord was speaking to Israel so I have taken this out of context’..here you are quoting Paul..was he not speaking to the people back in that time frame?? Is that now ‘out of context’?? Do you follow Paul..do you follow Appollo?? Does not that make you a mere human and worldly??

            Of course one can speak of the Lord to others who are lost but the Lord has said in Revelations..’let the filthy go on being filthy, the holy go on being holy..’ and ‘do not throw your pearls in front of swine lest they trample it’!!

            I am not using a counterfeit Bible, I am trusting in the Lord. I was called away from the religious organisations and was in solitude with the Him for a number of years. When you say ‘things haven’t happened yet’ you speak of your own personal experiences. His Words are certainly written on my heart and any choice I make through Him are always confirmed by Him. When reading in the Spirit, a verse or section of the Word can be confirming for that particular situation or answer. When reading in the Spirit, it doesn’t matter whether the Lord is speaking of someone/somewhere else, the answer is so clear to the one that the Lord is sending it to. This is what I speak of when I say people are ‘grounded’ by what some of the churches ‘teach’ …’I am your Only teacher’..keep the Lord close and ASK HIM..not your Bible..not your pastor..HIM!! He can even use those so-called counterfeit bibles for an answer if He chooses to..as the answer will be understood by the person in the Spirit.

            I have dreams, I have visions and He is still with me even when I wake. This is something I would ask Him..

            ‘Lord, make me humble enough to know that you can do anything you want done without our help..but strong enough to do Your Will if you should ask’.

            I will not push you into any area that you have not been prepared for yet..but I will send you a Script that may eventually free you from the hold of the human understanding. For example..would you go into a false deity’s temple..one scarificing to an animal or idol and eat of that food?? Is your answer yes or no??

            Here is the FREEDOM I speak of..as the Lord knows the heart and His Words are written on those who know…

            1Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that “We all possess knowledge.” But knowledge puffs up while love builds up. 2Those who think they know something do not yet know as they ought to know. 3But whoever loves God is known by God.

            4So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no god but One.” 5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

            7But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. 8But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.

            9Be careful, however, that the exercise of your NEW FREEDOM does not become a stumbling block to the weak. 10For if someone with a weak conscience sees you, with all your knowledge, eating in an idol’s temple, won’t that person be emboldened to eat what is sacrificed to idols? 11So this weak brother or sister, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge. 12When you sin against them in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. 13Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother or sister to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause them to fall.

            6Yet we do speak wisdom among those who are mature; a wisdom, however, not of this age nor of the rulers of this age, who are passing away; 7but we speak God’s wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory; 8the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood;

            I pray that your fervour for the Lord becomes so much fuller and closer so that He can be your ONLY one..He can be the one you run to with questions/worries/advice..not the mere human leaders that He has said to ‘stop bragging about’!!

            ‘Call out to Me and I will show you great and UNSEARCHABLE things that you DO NOT know”

            ..and always remember..’be aware of who you entertain as you may be entertaining one of My angels unawares..’

      • Dianne

        Skywatchers, I believe Sharon is referring to Mathew 23:8 Jesus said “But be not ye called Rabbi (teacher): for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

        • sharon

          Yes thankyou…Matt.23 8“But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ because you have only one teacher, and all of you are brothers. 9And don’t call anyone on earth ‘Father,’ because you have only one Father, the one in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called ‘Teachers,’ because you have only one teacher, the Messiah!
          (International Version)

          • Skywatcher

            Sharon, no wonder I couldn’t recognize the verse; a counterfeit RC bible was being used! Thanks, for clarifying that for me.

    • That people go and teach other people the Bible is Biblical, as seen here:

      “Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot. And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.” Acts 8:29-31 (KJV)

      Phillip was commanded to go to the Ethiopian eunuch and have a Bible study! One reason that NTEB exists is to teach others the Bible.

      • sharon

        Of course if the Spirit guides you to do so, then it is done. I have already said that there is nothing wrong with speaking of the Lord to others..but many have turned from the Faith and ridicule Christianity because of the door to door/unwanted preaching of the Word. The butt of jokes are the door knockers in most occasions when spoken of..although I admire theor work. Please allow me…What I hear from the Lord I write down..here is one of those to help me explain what He Spoke to me of..

        In The Way…

        Sometimes.. to preach the Word of God
        Some need to be cunning in their way
        Careful, not too much fire and brimstone
        Or an overload of Judgement Day

        Just a whisper here and there
        Can sometimes have more strength
        Than preaching with such enthusiasm
        And going to so much length

        Sometimes, as simple as saying Grace
        Or just to let one know you believe
        Can hit a cord in your visitor’s soul..
        And start that soul to grieve

        When sitting..laughing with your friends
        Sometimes it is the best
        Just once..His Name..plant the Seed
        Whilst amongst you..you all jest

        Pick your times..a subtle Word
        Can have more impact..get things done
        When the big crowd high is wearing down
        A lot can happen with a ‘one on one’

        The fruit you bare..not unnoticed
        Your good actions..others have heard
        Can also draw others close to you
        That is..’In deed..not just Word’

        But there is a calm..some are longing for
        And they might sense it within you
        Maybe, come and ask you then
        What is it that you do??

        Over the years..the ‘conditioning’..
        Has been..’religion, that’s not the way’
        But you can show that it’s not ‘uncool’..
        Just in the way that you play!!

        Sharon Maree

        Be humble enough to know that God can do anything and everything without our help..but ask Him for the strength to do His Will if He should ask.

  • Grace

    Amen, give to your local bible believing church, God set up the church to meet the needs of those who need it. These heretics preach that they have faith but they beg for your money and claim God gave it to them, they tell you if you want more to give to them and you will be blessed, you are already blessed if you are a child of God and you are to rejoice that your name is written in the Lambs book of Life. These two act like they have these conversations with the Lord Jesus about money and things, makes me feel like throwing up. If you are born again by and through what Christ did for us on the cross, Jesus loves you and to Him you are special and blessed, be content in Him! Come quickly Lord Jesus, amen.

  • suez

    I wouldn’t give to any TV preacher anymore. Thank God he opened my eyes to those fakes years ago! I hope people heed your warning on this Geoffrey.

    • Skywatcher

      Suez, I agree with you, especially those I see using counterfeit bibles!

      • suez

        Amen Sky, Amen!!!

  • Geoffrey, THANK YOU for exposing these millionaires that think they are so special that they have to globe trot all over the world, as though God has no one else placed in these other lands. TBN is permeating this false gospel of prosperity all over the world. Matt Crouch just gushes over the new and upcoming stars of this religion. I agree to urge people not to send their hard earned money to these millionaires. Then maybe we can get social media and TV to preach the true gospel of Christ. I do know these are times of falling away though. Jesus held conferences outside on hillsides. Jesus did not need a posh jet to talk to the Father. These posh living false prophets live like kings and queens. I will not support millionaires when I work very hard myself for my money. I do the work of an evangelist everyday that I live for Jesus.

    • All these charismatic and prosperity FAKERS have their reward here and now. And for those of them who actually are saved, what a time at the Judgment Seat for them it will be!

  • Gerardo Rivera

    It is sad, but they get so much money from people who either don’t know any better or are too trusting in the words that they say.

    I remember reading in some comments about a post of giving to one of these televangelist ministries when the person called out that their expenditures on themselves (the ministry leaders) was in the millions. Many people ran to that televangelist’s aid, saying that they are doing God’s work and deserve to be rewarded as such, that because they touched so many lives that God has blessed them with mansions and jets, etc.

    And when that person replied that Jesus was homeless, his disciples often did not have places to stay themselves staying at the houses of others (being careful only to stop at the first house they are welcomed into, lest people accuse them of trying to mooch off more lucrative houses of the towns), moving town to town on foot or mule preaching, and this flipped the world upside down and changed history forever, this person was flamed for being too judgmental, getting demanded to show his expenditures of the year, called a person sent by Satan, etc.

    1 Corinthians 3:4
    4For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

    People are too busy following what the world sees as great people when they should be following Jesus. Don’t follow Kenneth Copeland. Follow Jesus. Don’t follow Jesse Duplantis. Follow Jesus. Don’t follow Joyce Meyer. Follow Jesus. Don’t follow Creflo Dollar. Follow Jesus. Don’t follow Benny Hinn. Follow Jesus.

    Lecrae sums it up near the end of his the song “Just Like You”:

    But then in steps Jesus,
    All men were created to lead but we needed somebody to lead us
    More than a teacher,
    But somebody to buy us back from the darkness,
    You can say He redeemed us,
    Taught us that real leaders follow God,
    Finish the work ’cause we on our job
    Taught us not to rob
    But give life love a wife like He loved the Church,
    Without seeing how many hearts we can break first
    I wanna be like you in every way,
    So if I gotta die every day
    Unworthy sacrifice
    But the least I can do is give the most of me
    ‘Cause being just like you is what I’m supposed to be
    They say you came for the lame,
    I’m the lamest
    I made a mess but you say you’ll erase it,
    I’ll take it
    They say you came for the lame,
    I’m the lamest
    I broke my life, but you say you’ll replace it,
    I’ll take it.

    And no, I don’t follow Lecrae. He is just a man and can fall into heresy if he doesn’t guard his heart, just like I can. He tells us to follow Jesus and that is who I follow.

    • sharon

      Beautiful response Gerardo..exactly the message I have been posting…’I AM your ONLY Teacher’!!

  • THE GUYS SAID A PLANE FULL OF DEMONS

    I they where really working in the power of the Holy Spirit they would welcome praying for a plane full of broken people

  • GISMYS

    BEWARE!! Those that attack and slander men of God are used by satan as his tool,fool,puppet and the cost is far more than they will want to pay!!!

    • Paul

      You are right.
      Beware accusers of the Brethren
      If these men are wrong they are in trouble with God !
      If your wrong about them your in trouble with God.

      • Edwitness

        Paul,
        If you have ever listened to any of their teaching you would know that they believe they are Gods. That’s big G God not little g.
        Get the cd called “Chritianity In Crisis” and hear them in their own words teaching this lie. These men are not Christian. They have believed the lie that Satan told Adam and Eve in the garden. They have departed from the faith. That means from the hearing of it. Not having it.
        I hope you have not fallen for the lie as they have.

      • Skywatcher

        Paul, I hope you don’t consider these purse-snatchers to be “Brethren”. They’re not of Christ’s fold and that makes them lost sheep, who are NOT my “brethren” in the spiritual sense or any other. They’re certainly not bearing fruit as Christ would have them to be doing.

      • Suez

        Paul, You will know them by their fruit!!! What fruit do you see in the above videos? Wake up! Jesus called out the vipers, and the sons of the devil. We are to do the same!

    • Suez

      Very true GISMYS. BUT, these are NOT men of God! Apparently you need to start praying for the gift of discerning of spirits. Because if you think someone filled with devils are “men of God”, then you diffidently, need to read you Bible (KJV), and get the word in you, pray for truth, and apply some discernment. Because your way off the beam. If you haven’t, you need to watch some of the above posted videos. They are full of devils! And if you can’t see that, then I would have to doubt what spirit is in you! Very sad. 🙁

    • sKYWATCHER

      Merciful, GISMYS! If you believe these people are “men of God”, then you’re definitely NOT born again and Spirit-filled! Any devil can go to Heaven if that’s the case; it’s not biblical or truthful though. One can recognize these demon-filled dustbins from ten miles away!

      Here’s the test: If they speak against, act contrary to, or oppose what is written in God’s Word (our ultimate authority), then they are NOT of His fold. This is plain and simple. A Christian is a “Christ follower”; one cannot live like the devil or preach his doctrine and call himself/herself a “Christian” and mean it! I wouldn’t want to be in their shoes now or in eternity!

      I think Jesus might have looked ahead in time to today, and saw the tele-demons doing their business when He spoke the following words:

      Luke 12: 45- 48 states, “But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken…”

      Isn’t that exactly what these rogues and rascals are doing? They’re financially, emotionally, intellectually, and spiritually beating and abusing these people who were so easily led astray!

      V. 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.”

      Isn’t that the stage these actors are playing on?

      V. 47 “And that servant, which knew his lord’s will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes…for unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.” much will be required.” Luke 12: 47-48.

  • Cooleemeeedd

    Maybe the likes of COpeland could use their extra money to fly Jews who want to go, back to Israel.

  • Judy

    These guys sound like a bunch of nuts.

    • Kiwiwatcher

      Absolutely Nuts Judy.
      These evil false teachers know exactly what they are doing and how to target their audience with itching ears – lonely well-heeled couples and widows. Grandma with her blue rinse and pearls, sitting on the sofa with her ailing leg outstretched on a footstool is very much taken in by these wicked fools. If still married – her husband will be a willing participant (anything to keep the peace).
      Lost count of how many times Jesse mentioned the word “I” – which is a great indication of where his ‘spiritual ministry’ is based upon. His co-fool was very keen on the word “we” – a more collective meaning but referring to ‘us who wilfully extract funds using God’s Word, to spend upon our glorious selves – oh how great we are.’ These two wicked clowns will need more than a few drops of water to cool down their tongues.

      • Skywatcher

        Kiwiwatcher, that was excellent! LOL! You paint such a picture that has me anxiously awaiting the next episode! Everything you say is right on! Thanks!

  • Psalm7325

    How do you all feel about Jimmy Swaggert?

    • Everyone deserves a second chance, and Swaggart no exception. But his doctrine is questionable, I do not follow him.

    • patrice

      Jim Bakker went right back into the same garbage hole he was in that took him into prison. He married a tammy fay look-alike and gives out the same message of prosperity and lies as in his youth. He only knows how to fleece the flock by using God’s name. Woe to him. How dumb can one person be.

    • patrice

      Swaggart is the same as Jim Bakker. Swaggart had his second chance but he has blown it as well. This time he has his son helping him. I watched a couple times and they are always selling some special bible or prayer cloth and his ‘semons’ are empty and void.

  • It is a SHAME!
    Firstly, it baffled me when some preachers like Kenneth Copeland, Jesse Duplantis, and many others claimed they had direct dialogue with God. That is a sign of FALSE Prophet.

    Example, the video above:
    “….
    Jesse mentioned in the video that God asked him: Jesse do you like your plane?
    Jesse replied: Certainly Lord
    God said, that’s it?
    You going to let your faith stagnant?
    …”

    Jesse Duplantis you didn’t have a dialogue with God, you perceived whatever thought you had in your mind at that moment, and that thought is not God talking to you. PLEASE STOP!

    You don’t need a private PLANE to preach the gospel. Your preaching engagement could be scheduled using 1st Class in any commercial airline. As a gospel preacher myself, I think it’s obvious, dangerous to the Kingdom of God the way some preachers turned the flocks into money making machine. GOD HAVE MERCY!

  • Char

    When I look at Kenneth Copeland, his eyes even look demonic. He REALLY showed his true colors when he said that about not wanting to pray for people on the plane. Where does that leave all of their wives that are their help mates? I guess they have to make a choice on their own, but I’m sure they love the money just as much as their husbands do. I have been giving to Pat Robertson for Operation Blessing because they help people in other countries with it. I would think that us Christians who feel led to give are still getting a blessing from it, although if the receiver is not using it in the way the Lord intended, then it’s on their shoulders, not the givers. I get what you mean though. We are just helping their millionaire status to thrive. I remember when I was growing up, my preacher Dad told us kids that there will be some people in heaven that you didn’t expect to see there and some that you did expect to see there won’t be….so I guess he will right about that.

    • When you read about Hitler and Stalin, they both had such contempts for their people, the very people that gave them power, wealth and fame. In fact, Stalin referred to the “common people”, the same people on the plane that Copeland and Duplantis are too good to ride with, as the “useful idiots”. Just think of how SEARED your mind and conscience has to be to not only say these things, but to say them on VIDEO as if you had the right to think and talk like that about your followers!

      • MRH

        @ Geoffrey Grider: The fact is, they are all but ‘cloaked demons wearing halos’. Remember that Hitler was an occultist? And I imagine so was Stalin, though maybe only in secret. In fact I’ve heard that one must be involved in the occult to gain thrones. One way to identify traitors is by their occult symbols. And FYI Bibi is a Freemason too 😉 Below link includes a partial list of Freemasons and such 🙂

        http://thewebmatrix.net/disclosure/secretsocieties.html

      • MRH

        @ Geoffrey Grider: Question: What HTML is allowed now, and what code aspect required; bold, italic, quote, etc? I don’t see any HTML coding options below or elsewhere on website, and so far only some ’emoticons’ work. HELP! 🙁

        Below partial list of 33′ Masons (my popular selections) contains many familiar names including:

        Benjamin Netanyahu
        Billy Graham
        Buzz Aldrin
        Daniel Carter Beard (Boy Scouts)
        Franklin D.Roosevelt
        Jimmy Carter
        Joseph Stalin
        Kenneth Copeland
        Newt. Gingrich
        Oral Roberts
        Rev. Al Sharpton
        Rev. Jesse Jackson
        Rev. Kenneth Hagin
        Richard Cheney
        Ronald Reagan
        Theodore Roosevelt
        Tony Blair
        Vladimir Lenin
        Walt. Disney
        William J. Clinton

        Sorry to burst your happy bubble, but the evidence above and below can’t be ignored! Only missing elements are Obama and most of the 2016 candidates? But seems they are all phonies with silver lips? After all, does not Obama still declare his Christian faith? Maybe you missed such in your research? Well I certainly didn’t! 🙂

        I’m a Christian by choice. My family didn’t—frankly, they weren’t folks who went to church every week. And my mother was one of the most spiritual people I knew, but she didn’t raise me in the church.
        So I came to my Christian faith later in life, and it was because the precepts of Jesus Christ spoke to me in terms of the kind of life that I would want to lead—being my brothers’ and sisters’ keeper, treating others as they would treat me.
        And I think also understanding that Jesus Christ dying for my sins spoke to the humility we all have to have as human beings, that we’re sinful and we’re flawed and we make mistakes, and that we achieve salvation through the grace of God. But what we can do, as flawed as we are, is still see God in other people and do our best to help them find their own grace.
        That’s what I strive to do. That’s what I pray to do every day. I think my public service is part of that effort to express my Christian faith.

        —  President Barack Obama, September 27, 2010

        Initial List of 33rd Degree Masons

        Albert Pike addressing the 23 Supreme Councils of the world on July 14, 1889:- “To you, Sovereign Grand Instructors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees: ‘the Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine. . .”

        It is said that only two U.S. Presidents: Abraham Lincoln and John Kennedy, were not either Masons or elite members of affiliated bodies

        (Gen.) Colin L. Powell
        Al Gore
        Albert Pike
        Andrew Johnson
        Barry Goldwater
        Benjamin Netanyahu
        Billy Graham
        Buzz Aldrin
        Cecil Rhodes
        Charles Taze Russell
        Daniel Carter Beard (Boy Scouts)
        Dr. Norman Vincent Peale
        Franklin D.Roosevelt
        Gen. Douglas MacArthur
        Gene Autry
        General James Doolittle
        Gerald Rudolf Ford
        H.G. Wells
        Harry S. Truman
        Henry Ford
        Henry Kissinger
        Hugo Chavez
        J. Edgar Hoover
        James Cameron
        James Rothschild
        Jessie James
        Jimmy Carter
        John Adams
        John Glenn
        John Wilkes Booth
        Joseph Rettinger
        Joseph Stalin
        Karl Marx
        Kenneth Copeland
        Manly P. Hall
        Mikhail Gorbachev
        Newt. Gingrich
        Oral Roberts
        Prince Phillip
        Rev. Al Sharpton
        Rev. Jesse Jackson
        Rev. Kenneth Hagin
        Rev. Robert Schuller
        Rev. William Booth (Salvation Army)
        Richard Cheney
        Ronald Reagan
        Saddam Hussein
        Sen. Bob Dole
        Shimon Peres
        Sir Winston Churchill
        Theodore Roosevelt
        Tony Blair
        Vladimir Lenin
        Walt. Disney
        William J. Clinton
        Yasser Arafat
        Yitzak Rabin

        And many more unknowns (by me) included (not alphabetical) in much bigger list (below link)

        http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/33rd.htm

        P.S. So do you still consider me an enemy unto your ministry? 🙁 If so then where does your heart lie? Anyway, I don’t consider you an enemy, but that doesn’t mean I agree with all of your beliefs. Why should I? After all, we only know in part as Paul declared. Anyway odd friendship offer your call, and I’m open to phone chat as well 🙂

        • sharon

          The bilderberg group ritual to molech says a lot!!!

          • MRH

            @ sharon: They are ALL cloaked demons wearing halos 😉

            2Co 11:12-15 KJV – But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

            P.S. Maybe even this website? But only God knows such! We only need be holy witnesses 😉

    • suez

      Sorry to tell you, but Pat R. is also VERY questionable. He is also a pope kisser, be careful there also. He also is a millionaire…he just presents himself different than the Copelandites…

    • Skywatcher

      Char, laying all jokes aside, I WOULD NOT be at all surprised if he is a Nephilim! I get the same impression when I used to be able to look at him. In recent years, I cannot bear to look at him or Obama! I heard this demon, way back in 1997-98 (somewhere in there), preach a message about mourning. When Copeland’s father passed away, he was mourning him “for months”, UNTIL he had that wonderful epiphany that “mourning is of the devil”! I kid you not!

      He said that anybody who mourned for excessive periods of time were possessed by a “demonic spirit of mourning”! I guess he should be able to recognize them better than you or I, considering they’re his siblings!

      Then, if that weren’t bad enough, he went on to say that Jesus was “possessed with the spirit of mourning”! That did it for me!!!

      I hastened to my desk, and I sent him a kite that had to be still sizzling and smoking by the time he received it! I told him I had never ever heard of such rot! How in the world could the Savior/God in the flesh be “possessed with a demonic spirit?!” I told him that was heresy.

      I got a SCATHING letter back from him, STRONGLY “encouraging” me, to find something more beneficial to do with my time than to be criticizing a brother in the Lord! The rest is history! That was a wrap! He’s no more my brother in Christ than Tiny Tim is/was!

      Char, as for their wives and judgment…if they support this scam, then they are part of it, and will be thusly judged. It’s a very sad affair, to say the least. “By their fruits ye shall know them.”

      • @Skywatcher, Wow on what you wrote. I know I have listened to many videos about the heresy said by Copeland and others of his same cloth. Truth mixed with error is deception. We must be discerning because the same people are lifted up by media giants and we are forced fed these people. No wonder the Lord said he will vomit lukewarm. This church needed to repent because they thought they needed nothing. We must not digest this bad food but filled with the true Words of the Lord Jesus. They are true life food.

    • patrice

      Char if you’re going to give money DO NOT GIVE TO Pat Robertson. Consider Voice of the Martyrs or Gospel for Asia or Pass the Bread from World Challenge. 100% goes to the poor. Robertson is a shyster and I’ve heard he is part owner of a diamond mine in Africa among his many other properties. I used to be a dedicated believer in the 700 Club but prayer for discernment and research proves him to be of questionable spirit.

      • Skywatcher

        Patrice, I just dropped my subscription to “Voice of the Martyrs” because they use and push counterfeit bibles. That’s a very serious offense in God’s kingdom! Just something to think about.

    • MRH

      Char: They are all cloaked demons wearing halos. Remember that these are the last days. Satan owns this world and controls it. And he has his varied puppets doing dirty deeds. Just be glad you belong to God NOT Satan. Unfortunately the majority are Satan’s toys. And many are of them are of serpent seed. The rest are simply sheeple living in the matrix. Its a mad mad world we all live in! Go here to learn more if you like 😉 http://aeroventure.com/Wonderland/Wonderland.htm

  • Ed K

    Again it makes me feel very blessed that when I moved out to the country where TV reception is very weak that I didn’t have the funds to continue to waste on cable & satellite TV & I had to give up watching tele-con artists who tell me it’s God’s will to enrich their gold-lined pockets with money that should truthfully state their attitudes with the saying “IN GOLD WE TRUST” and now they want to tell me that it isn’t God’s will for them to pray for us quote, unquote “planeload (or otherwise load)of demons”! I don’t know! Maybe I’m halucinating. Last time I looked in the mirror, I saw a physical man created in the image of God, not a demon. Maybe I got the wrong Bible here also! Mine says to pray without ceasing for everyone saved and unsaved, friends, family, strangers, our country, our leaders, those we lead, bosses, subordinates, etc., etc. and even our enemies. Maybe they got their own “Kenneth Copeland” or “Jesse Duplantis” revised and reworded version that says differently. About the new (not so new) fashioned (as Jesus had John write about the present day Laodecian situation 1900 or so years ago) feel good, sit on your blessed assurance, name it and claim it, blab it and grab it, blackmail God w/ his “promises” of health, prosperity,legal good standing, etc. to those who give the most religion, preach it to Paul when he was sitting in a Roman prison in chains waiting for his beheading, Peter being nailed upside down to that cross, the millions or so Christians that were imprisoned, tortured and killed for their faith throughout time and still suffer the same situations today. I will quote one of those televangelists I heard a few years ago that said that Paul and John the Baptist didn’t have faith or both of them would have never lost their heads and Paul’s “affliction” would have been healed. (I can’t remember which one said that so I can’t cite). Tell all of this to those Christians that are being starved and tortured in N. Korean gulogs, those in Iranian and Saudi prisons, those forced to be homeless (read Hebrews 11). Which have the true faith? These suffering souls or those Lear owning televangelists living in the lap of luxury and hogging the global pasteur’s provisions for their sheep? Who’s living the faith, those suffering for their faith or those preaching the prosperity gospel and faring “sumptiously off the guilt, gullibility, etc. of their worldwide sheep, many such as have not many more resources than Lazarus the Beggar (Luke 16)? I’d say that those who have nothing and/or about to lose the one thing they still have remaining-their heads to a brainwashed ISIS zombie’s sword, ax or knife have more faith a mustard seed area of their pinkie than all of the so called televangelists and their staff together in their entire bodies. That’s my opinion anyway.

  • Mark

    These false teachers don’t use their planes to share the Gospel. They use their planes to collect more money. That is their only fruit. Money. God will not be mocked.

    • Deborah

      So true Mark!

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  • Skywatcher

    Oh come on, folks! Don’t you know they (heretics) are 10000% correct?! Yes, they are! THEIR god, Mammon says it’s o.k. for them to have jets and to treat God’s people with such deception and disdain! Our God says differently! Praise His name!

  • Markafeller

    Laodicea means the peoples justice. That is what they think is just. Lukewarm meaning “undesired by all” as warm water on a hot day. Cold is desired. Is vomited out. That is a event hidden from the public. Then made public and that is not yet what you are seeing here. it becomes more clearer with Zech. 5. As it is about a legal court act of the same. The church of Phildephia ( Brotherly Love is after the type of the story of Joseph) is also due to a future legal act. Worshiped at feet means “to kiss the hand forward”. As would one is a head of state back then. Hold fast to crown as it is not a diadem or victors reef but by an ordenent crown. It is not even fully Sardis yet. Decays to the point by an action of total death as a fig tree in winter for a season and famine. Explained by a long list of dead to life Scriptures. Ezk.37, Joel 2;25, Is. 60:1 as not being arised means one can not minister…The impression is an international outward death. That leads to Ps.83/Isa.17 first. As the stealing and lies following it have bases for part of the condition of Laodicea. A small relative group of people reflective of a larger one.

  • Where your treasures are there so is your heart…. They will make merchandise out of you…

    More End Time News At:
    http://www.shininginthedark.com/?page_id=3755

  • Chris

    Brother Geoff. What is your opinion on tithing?

  • Dianne

    Amos 6:1 WOE TO THEM THAT ARE AT EASE IN ZION, AND TRUST IN THE MOUNTAIN OF SAMARIA, which are named chief of the nations, to whom the house of Isrealcame!!!!

    Interesting that THEY ARE NOT PAYING HEED TO THE WOE…..

  • Most of my family and in-laws have been deceived by charismatic heretics cut from Copeland’s cloth.

    • Jimmy, I am sorry about your family. This is hard. I have followed some word of faith preachers previously. No more. I think I remember you wrote that you found pastors in charismatic churches do not want to be questioned and must be in total control. I have found this myself. These two “preachers” are defending themselves and will not test their lives by the Holy Bible but their own dogma.

  • Char

    Suez, I had heard that about Pat Robertson, but like I said, I felt that I was helping the people he shows in other countries that needed wells dug and starting little businesses to help their families, etc. I know he doesn’t believe in the pre-trib rapture and I disagree on other things he says, but I feel like I’m helping out a little in these other countries. I hope that it’s going to them and not to him because he REALLY has to be accountable to God for where these donations go as they all do.

  • “Professional evangelical mercenaries” ?.. LOL !!..Classic !!

    That’s funny but true, pray to God, but give your money to me !

    I wouldn’t give them the time of day. Fake preachers ! And those
    fake Hollywood faith healers ! I’m surprised they have not been
    nominated for academy awards !

    And the nominees are ! …….Could we have the envelope please !
    and the winner is…….”Pope Francis,”…….the holiest man on earth
    because he says so !

    With over 1 billion supporters, his own country, his own bank, his own
    religion,..yet still charters planes ? Maybe Kenneth and Co can hitch a
    ride with his buddy Francis ?…..up, up and away !

  • Skywatcher

    Mark Au, I’m very surprised they haven’t been smitten down as Ananias and Sapphira were! It wouldn’t hurt my feelings if they were! Maybe it would put the fear of the REAL God into them!

    • @ Skywatcher, I think some may start off with the right heart, but lose
      their first love along the way. Kenneth is now conjoined with the Catholic
      church, a promoter of interfaith which is ungodly to the core. There is no
      such thing as all belief in gods is the equivalent of the ” GOD ” of the
      bible ! The one true and Holy God, if a Ananias and Sapphira incident
      were to happen, I think other fake preachers would be running to ensnare
      their followers ASAP ! I don’t think they have any fear of God ! Laodicean
      church in action !

      • Skywatcher

        You may be correct when you said, “I don’t think they have any fear of God! That’s the worst kind!

      • MRH

        @ Mike au: I fear these fools were fallen from the start 🙁

        1Ti 4:1-2 KJV – Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

        P.S. The same dark effect is seen in certain celebrities such as Katy Perry, Miley Cyrus, etc.. both of Christian families.. and both NWO puppets.

  • Donna M.

    This. Makes. Me. Sick. I could barely watch it. It resembled a group of animals. All following the “leader.” It was disgusting.
    I pray that those SHEEPLE that are so blind they cannot see the evil here, will have their eyes opened. How this must hurt our dear Jesus to see this. Then again, how I must hurt Him every time I myself am self-centered, selfish, greedy, covetous, etc. Father, forgive them. Open their eyes. Father, forgive ME. Keep my eyes upon You.
    Even so, come, Lord Jesus! Maranatha!

  • Skywatcher

    In all fairness, if God blessed me with a huge ministry (and NOT the cash cow these demons have), I could see the need for a private plane, but NOT a huge mansion for a house, a yacht, etc.! Having a private plane does allow one to cover a lot more ground in a very short time. One can be critical as much as they like, and I can be chieftist amongst the naysayers, but we all need to admit…they probably don’t end up at the airport with missing luggage!

    I know that a shepherd is worthy of his hire and should be compensated fairly for it. If a pastor’s salary in these large megachurches is based upon the number of congregants in any given service, it should mean their responsibilities are also larger, as would be their pay cheques.

    I see nothing wrong with a pastor getting a “million” dollars/month from his congregation of 20,000…providing he uses his money wisely, seeking God, as to how he can honor Him with it, and find ways to invest it into the Kingdom of God, in other areas of genuine ministry!

    Yes! I believe they should have a nice but modest house, as there will be times they will be serving visiting clergy, etc. What one person may call extravagant and wasteful, may be modest to others. If I’m living on $10,000/yr., one making $100,000 / yr. preaching would seem outlandishly extravagant to me. BUT…we don’t know how he is blessing others behind the scenes with his income.

    Like many of you…I will never be blessed with that kind of money, so for a couch critic, it is pretty easy to run down those who do. We don’t know what many pastors/evangelists do with their huge salaries to serve God behind the scenes, so I don’t believe it’s fair to put them all in the same junk drawer to be tossed away into perdition.

    Having said that, I’m NOT in any way trying to justify or to excuse these unholy purse snatchers! There is NO good excuse! We need to find a balance, and NOT paint all with the same brush. These fiends are WAYYYYYY OFF THE MARK! But don’t worry; they will take the Mark, which will leave them in no different standing with God than what they have right now! God doesn’t miss a thing!

    For these folk, it’s not so much about the money that is the issue, it’s the “love of money” which is. They will be held accountable, and seeing that they can afford private jets, I hope they can also afford their own private fire department; they’re going to need it where they’re going!

    On a serious note…is it impossible for God to reach some of these vultures? No more so than for anybody else! We need to pray for each of them, by name if you can. I don’t follow this crowd, so I don’t know many of their names. We need to pray specifically, that God will touch the lives of one or two of the “high rollers”, show them the error of their ways, and give them the power and the authority to reach many of the others. God is NOT willing that ANY should perish. As much as we look at them with disgust and with disdain, we MUST look at them and all others through the eyes of Christ. He died for them too! Just because we do not have a private jet of our own, doesn’t mean we’re anymore special in God’s eyes.

    Currently, as they are, He loves them, but is NOT pleased with them! 2 Peter 3: 9 shows, “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to usward, not willing that ANY should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance.”and desires that “all men should come to repentance.” (Emphasis my own)

  • Char

    Skywatcher, that’s an interesting story about your correspondence with the Copeland Clan. That would definitely turn me off of his teachings too. Yes, I sometimes think his eyes would glow in the dark and as for being a Nephilim, his size is not that of a giant, but his mouth is….I have Jesse Duplantis’ book on him being in heaven and that’s a farce too. I couldn’t get over the part where he said he saw King David sitting at a table and that he has red hair. That REALLY turned me off of his book and him….I knew from then on he was and is a good salesman and a false prophet. Happy New Year everyone….MAYBE tonight’s the night the Lord will choose to call us home. Wouldn’t that be great!

    • Skywatcher

      My dear sister, Char…don’t be so easily fooled! One doesn’t have to be a giant to have Nephilim blood or agenda coursing through his veins! First of all, we need to look at it from a human point of view:

      Some children gain more of one parent’s traits than the others. In Gen. 6, and Jude, it appears that some of the Nephilim favored the traits of their earthly mothers (smaller in stature, and limited in their abilities), and that’s why they’re working overtime with human DNA today! It’s NOT for mankind’s benefit! They’re trying to get back to their “first estate” (Jude 6), the strong and powerful angels that their fathers were! If they do get to this point, they will be the “SUPER SOLDIERS” we’re hearing so much about in these last days!

      However, in the case of Goliath and his brothers, as well as the Anakims, Rephaim, The Emims, the Horims, the Zamzummims, etc., they were all tall…and AFTER the flood! Their bloodlines still exist!

      For those reading this who are skeptical, and think I’ve suddenly fallen out of the crow’s nest, this is VERY real and dreadfully IMPORTANT stuff! This is the real reason why Noah’s flood occurred: to destroy the contaminated gene pool and to preserve the pure, through which our Savior was to be born! This was also the real reason why Sodom and Gomorrah were consumed by fire! Rampant homosexuality was NOT the only reason (as you’ll see below), although, it heavily factored in!

      The Bible has numerous references to these creatures: Gen. 6, Numbers 14: 33; Deut. 1: 28; 2: 10-21; 3: 11; Josh. 17: 15; 18: 16; I Sam. 17: 4; 2 Sam. 21; 16, 20; Ezra 9: 2; the Book of Enoch.

      Char, think of it as breeding cattle or dogs: over years of selective or even non-selective breeding, many traits are lost, removed or enhanced. If I were a Nephilim with an agenda (working for Satan, to bring in the NWO and to ultimately punch God in the face), would I want to stand out in a crowd because of my enormous height? Nope! That would make me a target! It’s easier to “blend in” and still achieve the required result. Knowing that my days were numbered, would I want to “correct” God’s design of mankind to make them into demi-gods, or something of my own doing, thereby insulting and infuriating Him? You bet!

      On the other end of the spectrum…one should seriously ask why so many of our athletes and others lately, are 7-8 ft. tall! Is there something going on behind the scenes that the parent(s) are not aware of, especially in the fertility clinics? With artificial insemination, cloning, the union of two eggs and one sperm donor, transhumanization, etc., it sure looks like there is something even bigger going on than trying to eradicate diseases! They’re trying to bring back the angelic traits they lost in Gen. 6!

      Having said all that, getting back to the eyes of Crooked Copeland, nothing in the least would surprise me! He doesn’t have to be a giant to possess the soul of a demon…

      L.A. Marzulli, Russ Dizdar, Chuck Missler, Tom Horn, Cris Putnam, Dr. Sharon Gilbert, and many others have their thumb on this very huge and REAL pulse! I just find it rather strange that so many of our preachers throughout the years have neglected this VERY serious and real part of God’s Word.

      Then again, I’m reminded just now, of the command given to Daniel, “But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and KNOWLEDGE SHALL BE INCREASED.” (Dan. 12: 4) (Emphasis mine) That causes me to ask why it was so important to seal up the book until the time of the end? Hmmm…seeing we are in the last days, does this mean that God is allowing us to have a little more insight into what’s going on in our time? Can it possibly be that this band of rogue televangel-demons are really Nephilim in human wrappings?

      Before you consider tossing me out as a heretic, take a sneak peek at Daniel 2: 43, “And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, THEY SHALL MINGLE THEMSELVES WITH THE SEED OF MEN: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.” (Emphasis mine) Iron is metal; clay is organic! Incompatibility; that’s what they’re working on TODAY! This is very specific here! It’s not saying they shall mingle themselves with men, NO! “They shall mingle themselves with the SEED OF MEN”. Their genetic makeup is different from ours!

      Readers can paint me with “stupid paint” if they like, but there it is…plain and simple! Something is messing around with human genetic material! It has never ceased since Goliath’s time and Jude 4-7 proves it! This passage is speaking of Nephilim: v. 10 “brute beasts”. Surely, that’s not speaking of humans, made in God’s image and likeness! The Book of Enoch describes them at great length, and it should not be foolishly tossed to the side, even though it’s not considered sacred canon of Scripture. I read it almost to the end, finding only a couple of things that to me, were not “inspired”. The H.S. told me to put it down; I didn’t need to know any more, so I did. It’s a most interesting read, to say the least, and it explains how we got many of our sciences, crafts, etc.

      Might this be what Christ foresaw that provoked Him to say, “And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved…” Mt. 24: 22.

      He was definitely referring to HUMAN flesh, with it’s original DNA structure! Wasn’t He? When one considers the mad scientists around the world that are hybridizing humans with animals behind the scenes, Christ may also be referring to ALL flesh! We tend to believe this passage is referring to the horrors of the Great Tribulation, but is it? Can it have a dual fulfillment, as many prophecies do? Don’t forget! He says, “But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.” Mt. 24: 37; Luke 17: 26, 28.

      How was it in the days of Noah? I’m so glad you asked! “For as in the days that were BEFORE the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark…” Don’t forget…a very HUGE component: Gen. 6: 1-4! This was before the flood!!!

      Luke 17: 26 says much the same thing BUT look at verse 28, “Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded…”

      How was it in the days of Lot? See Jude 7: “Even as Sodom and Gomorrha and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after STRANGE FLESH…”

      There was something different about man’s DNA at that time that caused Jude to call it “strange flesh”! That brings us back to Gen. 6: 4…you have two very different entities coming together in an unholy union, resulting in “strange flesh”. Iron + clay = strange flesh. They are not compatible nor are they the way God created them to be! The Nephilim have very carefully and subtly changed that which God called “good” into something very evil! They have used this as an insult to God, and these televangel-demons and sick scientists are quickly bringing it to fruition! These creatures are really the “missing link” in the foolish evolutionary world they’ve been looking for!

      Furthermore, this should give us an entirely different understanding as to the last kingdom represented by Daniel’s statue! Human hybrids (strange flesh) of one kind or another will be ruling it! It might be a combination of human-Nephilim; human-animal; human-machine hybrids…or all three! Not a time I’d want to hang around to see how it “pans out”!

      Currently, in England, there is a pregnancy being carried out in which two human eggs have been combined and fertilized by the sperm of one male! This has never been done before, and NOBODY knows what will be the result! Will it be a soulless killing monster? Who knows! Will it be the Antichrist? Who knows! What sex will it be? Who knows! Will it be asexual? Who knows! Will it be a giant? Again, WHO KNOWS!

      Char, you probably already know this, but for other readers, I felt very deeply in my spirit that this was warranted. The evidence is all there to see! One cannot solve a puzzle without all the pieces, and this is a mighty huge chunk! These are truly VERY EVIL days, but days for those of us who are blood-bought, ransomed, and redeemed to be rejoicing and expectant!

      God bless you, sister!

      • Suez

        I read in my Bible that is says: According to the word, God NEVER called the angels his son, or Sons. If someone can show me differently by scripture, please do. I am open! Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
        {{{Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
        Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
        Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
        He said which of the Angels said he at ANYTIME, thou art my son! That means he didn’t! Not at anytime! The word says it, not me! We must always go by the word, not Tom Horn and his bunch! They in them self’s are false teachers, always promoting the angels mated with woman trash! Angels according to the WORD are ministering spirits! Spirits don’t have blood, NO DNA, without blood and DNA you CANNOT re-produce! It is impossible! So the sons of God in Gen. are someone else, not angels! I am still studying and praying about all of this, I don’t have it altogether, but this much I do know. Angels DID NOT mate with women, and they were NEVER called Gods sons! At least according to my King James Bible anyway. I know this may open up a keg of worms, and I’m not going to argue with anyone about it. I gave the word, if that isn’t good enough, then believe what you wish. While studying and praying the Lord led me to that scripture. It answered a whole lot to me! Thanks

        • Skywatcher

          Hi there, Suez!

          I’m not going to argue with you, but according to my KJV, in Gen. 6: 2, these fallen angels are called “the sons of God”. They are NOT the Son of God (Christ), nor are they kin to Him or equal to Him. He created them! BUT they have this title to denote that they were not humans but fallen angels, from the heavenly realm. Surely you agree that God has many angels and that he cast Satan (the most beautiful angel) and his cohorts out of Heaven at one time?

          Sit back and relax; nobody is claiming these beings to be God’s Son; you’ve misunderstood. Having said that, please go easy on “Tom Horn and his bunch”! These men have devoted huge chunks of their lives to uncover the mysteries of this passage of Scripture which begins in Gen. 6 and ends in Revelation, and they are very learned men of God. As many of us know, Daniel, the O.T. prophet was told to “seal up the book” for the last days (Dan. 12: 4). Why? Because there were things that God didn’t want revealed to mankind until the last days.

          God also told Daniel in the same verse that knowledge would increase in the last days. How does that happen? Simply by learning new things as God allows our eyes to be opened to spiritual matters as they unfold before OUR eyes. Kind of sounds like the Garden of Eden, doesn’t it? Adam and Eve’s eyes were opened…

          Nobody from any previous generation could begin to comprehend what we’re seeing and experiencing in the world of the sciences these days!

          Can you tell me how a neutron or proton work? Can you tell me the difference between a nano and a micro? What is a chimera? Can you explain to me in absolute detail what occurs in osmosis or metabolism? God raises men and women as the times are right to bring these things to the forefront for our benefit, for warning, or for simply glorifying Himself. He’s not limited to what you or I know or want to accept. He put that information in Gen. 6 for a very good reason! He wanted us to know about it, so we can see how it is being used against us today, and how it fits into His ultimate plan of redemption. That’s why Jude mentions these fallen angels in the early church…they have a role to play in the last days.

          Tom Horn, Cris Putnum, etc., love Christ just as much as you or I do. Just because we may not understand everything, doesn’t give us the right to condemn or to belittle those whom God has called to research and to expose, even if they do have a better grasp. “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee…” Hosea 4: 6.

          No, that’s not a promise that you’ll be rejected by God! Context is the important component here. When God gives us some information and we don’t pick up on it or act upon it, we will lose out. We will not be informed or qualified to warn others of the impending dangers that these beings pose to our present situation. I’ll bet that one sentence will bring the flies out of the barn! 🙂

          We may strongly disagree on a point or two here or there, but that in no way eliminates either side from God’s family (providing they have been born again in Christ). You don’t get expelled from God’s family by disagreeing on a point here or there. I have their DVD’s and those of others, hours upon hours of scientific and theological evidences, backing up EVERYTHING they say with Scripture!

          You’d be absolutely astounded if you knew EVERY hint or presence of these Nephilim scattered throughout God’s Word! You’d be shocked if you knew all the spiritual implications and ramifications these entities have to play in our world today, especially in the world of transhumanization! This is not to be equated with being a Star Trek “Trekkie”, etc. This is very real or it wouldn’t be in God’s Word! The trouble is, most of us cannot even begin to pronounce some of the names of ancient peoples, much less know that much about them, who they were, where they came from, their customs, culture, religion, etc., because we quickly read “over” those passages and do NOT do any further research on them. Something akin to our treatment of the biblical genealogies; we mouth the words as best we can and hurry along to the “meat” of the passage!

          You said, “They in them self’s are false teachers, always promoting the angels mated with woman trash!”

          You call this “trash”, but it’s in YOUR KJV Holy Bible! You must feel pretty good about yourself for being so “up there” that you can call God’s Word (the HOLY Bible)”trash” and falsely accuse the brethren whom God has raised for such a time as this? They have spent years and years researching this material, and it’s comical and tragic to see couch Christians deny or desecrate what God has led others to do on our behalf!

          You said, “Angels according to the WORD are ministering spirits!” You are absolutely correct! BUT…who are they ministering for and to whom? Are they ministering for God to man or ministering for Satan to destroy man? There is a huge difference! Surely, you do NOT see all angels as being good, especially those who fell with Satan? The latter has no desire whatsoever to minister to God or to man, and that makes them devils. Demons are the hybrids between the woman and the devils. See the difference?

          You said, “Spirits don’t have blood, NO DNA, without blood and DNA you CANNOT re-produce!”

          The Holy Bible says, “WRONG!” You can read about it in Gen. 6! YOU certainly cannot reproduce without blood, but one can have DNA without blood; I’m sure Christ did after His resurrection. After all, He ate, He was able to be touched, seen, heard, etc. Cops take DNA samples by merely swabbing the inside of one’s mouth or peeling a layer off some bone, tissue, etc. Cloning is done without blood! Don’t forget, when talking about fallen angels or their offspring (Nephilim), you are talking of the result of an unholy union between two different dimensions. Animals can see things that we cannot, and often, they are able to warn their human owners of impending unseen dangers.

          To further that, remember…Satan approached Eve in the form of a serpent…he could talk! Surely, that too, isn’t beyond your realm of comprehension? To be honest, it still takes faith on my part to comprehend it. I believe it, but having never had that experience, it’s a little out of my reach sometimes. Tell me, Suez, which is harder to believe…a snake can talk or an angel can have intercourse with human women? Jesus put it another way, “Which is easier, to heal or to forgive sins?” Two totally different realms at play here!

          God’s Word in Gen. 6: 1-4 DOES say angels reproduce…with human women! They cannot reproduce amongst themselves because THEY’RE ALL MALE! This is why Jesus said of our resurrected bodies in heaven, “For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.”

          How were the angels in heaven? DESPERATE! They had no lady angels to copulate with! That’s what makes Heaven heaven…it is peaceful and quiet; no arguments, no bringing up past mistakes, etc. I just wanted to have a little fun with that! 🙂 Forgive me! I’ll have to shovel an extra foot of snow next week as penance! Every time an angel is referred to, it is always in the masculine gender, i.e. Michael, Gabriel.

          If you took a few minutes and listened to or watched L. A. Marzulli, Thomas Horn, Cris Putnum, Russ Dizdar, Dr. Sharon Gilbert, Chuck Missler, etc., on YouTube, and followed them along in the Scriptures, you will find a very interesting and exciting world is in your Holy Bible that you (and MANY others) have not even begun to explore or to discover yet! It all plays into the closing chapters of time that we are immersed in now! By the way, Nephilim skulls and skeletons are very plentiful in Peru, and are PROUDLY shown on display in their museums because that’s their heritage! The Smithsonian Institute used to proudly display some of them until evolution came onto the scene, and they made them “disappear” because they gave credibility to God’s Word in this area!

          God bless you, as you seek to discover those secrets that were to be kept locked up till now!

          • sharon

            @ skywalker That answer has me smiling from ear to ear!! 🙂 I agree with you also about Tom Horn. Steven Quayle is another that has done extensive research (their calling). There are a number of others also. It is true that the Lord has said many things for many reasons that people may not have understood. For example..not to eat pork (pig having so much bacteria), not eating an animal that was already dead (diseased), not transfusing blood (diseases), along with the more ‘personal’ ones like not being near to a woman in ‘that time’ etc..all because of disease. Over Time people have almost made these things a superstition/ritual matter whereas, it was just the Lord, having the knowledge of His creation and servant ‘science’, to warn the people of these things. People did not have labs back then and knew nothing of bacteria or blood disease (Fittingly, He placed the demons in the swine also as they are dis-ease). That is why the Lord has said that ‘no food is unclean now’ as we have, once again, come far enough to be able to test things and see what agrees with our human bodies and what may affect some (allergies etc.) Sure, the ‘eating of food has a higher Spiritual meaning also to those who ‘see’. My heart would go out to those parents that will still not allow blood transfusions. What a sacrifice these people make for the Lord and my heart is heavy with bitter/sweet admiration of their love for the Lord but, the Lord is righteous, He would want them to save the life of their child..we once again have come far enough to be able to test the human blood and have it clear to use without adverse effects. Saddens my heart but my heart is also warmed at the great love they show for the Lord. As I said..so bitter sweet. So I pray that the Lord have Mercy on them..the complete mercy and understanding that He was able to gain by living as a human…hence changing a lot of the old Laws. The way He changed having to stone a sinner or cast out a sinner..that by having true understanding, He could show complete and genuine mercy to those that repent. This verse may mean more to many in this present Time now…when Simeon said to Mary….’ (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed. This meant that God was listening to the sufferings of Mary so as to know the thoughts of many of the people..as she was ‘connected’ Spiritually.

            Isn’t He an amazing, loving, merciful, understanding…oh this could go on and on…

            Here is something I wrote a while back when trying to say how awesome He is…

            For You

            A beautiful quote was made.. that I heard not long ago
            Something that caught my ear…why? I do not know
            Something just so wonderful..I did grasp it in my heart
            Who would I ever apply it to..where would I even start?

            Then You spoke to me..affected me through and through
            Rendered still..breath taken away..my heart gives this verse to You..

            ‘True Eloquence is when You render an audience silent…….unable.. even to applaud… ‘

            Sharon Maree

  • Dianne

    HAPPY NEW YEAR Char!!!

  • Rowley

    Would suggest all mega churches have gone astray. They have become “seeker friendly” and set up as entertainment centers for the “goats of religion” and having kick the Spirit out they lead the goats to the slaughter.

  • Dean

    People get angry when Obama said this was not a Christian nation but when you look at the statistics, he was right, we aren’t anymore. You remove the Roman Catholics, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, liberal Protestants, etc. and look at things like TBN and the likes of Joel Osteen, Kenneth Copeland, Rick Warren, ad nauseum, and I would be surprised if even 20 percent of the population were Bible believing Christians. Even looking at many of the so-called Bible believing churches, it doesn’t look good. Christmas trees in the sanctuary, people dressing up like Santa Claus, rock bands with colored smoke billowing off the stage, merchandise counters, women pastors, Freemasons in church leadership, etc. I don’t want to forget the false doctrines either, Baptist churches teaching strange things like giving up something for Lent, that there is life on other planets, I even had one pastor saying he wanted to be our “father” in the faith. The age we live in is different from previous ones, in that there is a great falling away from the faith, and it is a sign the Lord will be returning soon.

    • Heather

      Amen brother Dean!

    • Skywatcher

      Dean, you nailed it! And to think, it only took two generations of walking away from Christ to bring this all about! Thanks, for that valuable insight!

    • Well said. Amen!

    • Suez

      Amen Dean. God always has a remnant, but it will be so very few. I don’t think most Christians realize just how few! Father gives us many examples in scripture, but people many times miss the hints! The way is narrow, and FEW that be on that narrow road! Noah probably warned thousands or more while he was building the ark. But, how many went in? Only 8 souls were saved. I think that is a big prelude of the end times, and the percentage of how many will really be saved. Lot is another example, and the children of Israel. How many made it to the promised land? Only two, Joshua and Caleb, and some young ones. Again another example! We are told, work out our own salvation, with fear and trembling. How many really fear the Lord God now days? Not many. Just my opinion of what scripture tells us, but I do think I’m correct on this.

    • sharon

      What makes you think that there is not any life on other planets?? Are you certain of this?? Something to think about before you have God ‘contained’ to just the earth with your earthly wisdom. Can you say with certainty that the Lord, in all this vastness of space, has not created any other race??

      Here the Lord speaks of another race..the sons of God..a race that existed before man… Where did they come from?? Why was it a sin against God to ‘know’ the ‘earthly’ women??

      Gen: 1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2That the ‘sons of God’ saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

      ..and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
      6And it repented the LORD that he had made man ON THE EARTH, and it grieved him at his heart. 7And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

      God Presides in the Great Assembly

      Ps..1God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among ‘the gods’.
      2How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
      3Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
      4Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
      5They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
      6I have said, ‘Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High’.
      7But ye shall ‘die like men’, and fall like one of the princes.
      8Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

      • MRH

        @ sharon: The sons of God noted in Genesis are the fallen angels whom corrupted all flesh before the flood. That includes both man and creatures. The book of Enoch details things. Also those angels taught man many dark things, and may have been involved in building the massive pyramids. I say this, because fallen angels today are still building pyramids all over the world. In fact common logos have several odd elements including pyramids. The question is why?

        • sharon

          The fallen angels were just that …angels..not humans. They are from a different race of beings…not human beings and that is why the Lord was so angry. Adam and eve were the first on earth?? Then where did these angels come from?? NOT earth. They are of a different race and hybridding took place, resulting in a race of giants. They then taught the human race the dark powers..ie sorcery, divining etc. Again the Lord mentions this hybridding when He speaks of satan’s seed…’ And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed;

          • MRH

            @ sharon: So you are also familiar with the book of Enoch? Which was not canonized by the church, along with other apocrypha. Yes I know of that unholy hybridizing as recorded in both Enoch and Genesis. All angels are aliens, as all are not from earth. And Lucifer was originally the highest angel until pride caused his fall. Now as Satan he and his fallen hoard rule the world under Gods boundaries that is 😉

          • Suez

            I read in my Bible that is says: According to the word, God NEVER called the angels his son, or Sons. If you can show me differently, please do. I am open! Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
            {{{Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
            Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
            Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
            He said which of the Angels said he at ANYTIME, thou art my son! That means he didn’t! Not at anytime! The word says it, not me! We must always go by the word, not Tom Horn and his bunch! They in them self’s are false teachers, always promoting the angels mated with woman trash! Angels according to the WORD are ministering spirits! Spirits don’t have blood, NO DNA, without blood and DNA you CANNOT re-produce! It is impossible! So the sons of God in Gen. are someone else, not angels! I am still studying and praying about all of this, I don’t have it altogether, but this much I do know. Angels DID NOT mate with women, and they were NEVER called Gods sons! At least according to my King James Bible anyway. I know this may open up a keg of worms, and I’m not going to argue with anyone about it. I gave the word, if that isn’t good enough, then believe what you wish. While studying and praying the Lord led me to that scripture. It answered a whole lot to me! Thanks

          • Suez

            Sharon, just my humble opinion, but I see it differently than you. I read in my Bible that is says: According to the word, God NEVER called the angels his son, or Sons. If you can show me differently, please do. I am open! Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
            {{{Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
            Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
            Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
            He said which of the Angels said he at ANYTIME, thou art my son! That means he didn’t! Not at anytime! The word says it, not me! We must always go by the word, not Tom Horn and his bunch! They in them self’s are false teachers, always promoting the angels mated with woman trash! Angels according to the WORD are ministering spirits! Spirits don’t have blood, NO DNA, without blood and DNA you CANNOT re-produce! It is impossible! So the sons of God in Gen. are someone else, not angels! I am still studying and praying about all of this, I don’t have it altogether, but this much I do know. Angels DID NOT mate with women, and they were NEVER called Gods sons! At least according to my King James Bible anyway. I know this may open up a keg of worms, and I’m not going to argue with anyone about it. I gave the word, if that isn’t good enough, then believe what you wish. While studying and praying the Lord led me to that scripture. It answered a whole lot to me! Thanks

          • sharon

            A suez..I am sorry that you are finding it hard to adjust to new information that the Word releases. There were times that I suffered because of the mysteries that were revealed..but it is recorded and we are in a Time frame now where He is revealing this to us. Have you ever asked yourself why you, or others, have only just stated ‘seeing’ these things?? How many thousands of people have read these things over the centuries and never ‘clicked’ to what was hidden there…because there is a season for everything..and appointed Time. The mere fact that it is all being ‘brought into the daylight’ now only tells us that something big is happening..we all know what that is!! I have also wriiten a poem about this but I won’t send it if you don’t want to read it..I understand your feelings..VERY WELL!!

            Here is a verse..Just read it and meditate in the Lord..He will calm and confirm if you surrender it to Him.

            1And it came to pass, when ‘men’ began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto ‘them’, 2That the ‘sons of God’ saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the ‘sons of God’ came in unto the ‘daughters of men’, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

        • sharon

          So nice to hear that you have delved deeper than just the bible..although the ‘hidden Knowledge’ in the Bible is just amazing. The Lord said that it will be revealed and He is just so awesome in His ways 🙂 If only more would make that personal connection and let Him ‘show them great and UNSEARCHABLE things that they do not know’..ie..things that can not be researched or proven through earthly means as they are UNSEARCHABLE!! So, so incredible.

          • MRH

            @ sharon: I’m a researcher NOT a sheep 😉
            Did you get a chance to explore WONDERLAND?
            If not, here is the link to my page again 🙂
            http://aeroventure.com/Wonderland/Wonderland.htm

            P.S. The NWO holds the key unto this insane world 😉

          • Skywatcher

            Sharon, your comment to Suez is “spot on”! These truths have been in plain sight, but God is now letting us see them! There is plenty of earthly evidence for the Nephilim too, if people want to check out L.A. Marzulli, Russ Dizdar, etc. on YouTube or on their websites, which can be Googled.

        • Dianne

          The ear that heareth the reproof of life abideth among the wise. He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding.
          The fear of the LORD (is) the instruction of wisdom; and before honour (is) humility. Proverbs 15:31-33

      • Suez

        With all respect to those I disagree with. I read in my Bible that is says: According to the word, God NEVER called the angels his son, or Sons. If you can show me differently, please do. I am open! Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
        {{{Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
        Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
        Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
        He said which of the Angels said he at ANYTIME, thou art my son! That means he didn’t! Not at anytime! The word says it, not me! We must always go by the word, not Tom Horn and his bunch! They in them self’s are false teachers, always promoting the angels mated with woman trash! Angels according to the WORD are ministering spirits! Spirits don’t have blood, NO DNA, without blood and DNA you CANNOT re-produce! It is impossible! So the sons of God in Gen. are someone else, not angels! I am still studying and praying about all of this, I don’t have it altogether, but this much I do know. Angels DID NOT mate with women, and they were NEVER called Gods sons! At least according to my King James Bible anyway. I know this may open up a keg of worms, and I’m not going to argue with anyone about it. I gave the word, if that isn’t good enough, then believe what you wish. While studying and praying the Lord led me to that scripture. It answered a whole lot to me! Thanks

      • Suez

        With all respect to all I disagree with, just my humble opinion, but I see it differently than you. I read in my Bible that is says: According to the word, God NEVER called the angels his son, or Sons. If you can show me differently, please do. I am open! Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
        {{{Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
        Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
        Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
        He said which of the Angels said he at ANYTIME, thou art my son! That means he didn’t! Not at anytime! The word says it, not me! We must always go by the word, not Tom Horn and his bunch! They in them self’s are false teachers, always promoting the angels mated with woman trash! Angels according to the WORD are ministering spirits! Spirits don’t have blood, NO DNA, without blood and DNA you CANNOT re-produce! It is impossible! So the sons of God in Gen. are someone else, not angels! I am still studying and praying about all of this, I don’t have it altogether, but this much I do know. Angels DID NOT mate with women, and they were NEVER called Gods sons! At least according to my King James Bible anyway. I know this may open up a keg of worms, and I’m not going to argue with anyone about it. I gave the word, if that isn’t good enough, then believe what you wish. While studying and praying the Lord led me to that scripture. It answered a whole lot to me! Thanks

        • sharon

          I can not go to far into this subject if you are seeking answers..I will leave that to the Lord to guide you as there is so much to know. I will leave you with one verse though..Genesis 1:26King James Version (KJV)

          ’26 And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness:’ Does that mean that God made adam and eve as spiritual beings?? God has a race of people, are they His actual ‘sons’?? I will leave that to the Lord to answer..but if He created all then are they not considered His sons?? Elohim is used in many old Scripts and if you notice, a LOT of the angels that stand before God (Arch) all have that EL at the end of their names..ie..GabriEL, MichaEL, UriEL etc.and with due respect. The Lord has informed us how He created adam and eve..ie..adam was made from the elements etc., of the earth BUT, eve was made differently..ie..adam was ‘put into a deep sleep and had a ‘rib’ removed and then closed up again.’..ie..eve was created from human DNA..deoxy ‘RIB’ onucleic acid. I think we have come far enough to know what He is telling us there. The human rib also contains the most DNA.

          There are other verses that open up here but I will just record them..

          ‘I will take your seed and spread it throughout the land…’
          ‘You watch my body form in the womb…’
          ‘Every hair on your head has been counted…’
          ‘..and she laughed at the word that she would conceive at her late age..’
          ‘Mary said..but I do not know a man….’

          I will not go any further here..I believe the Lord is the One to guide/confirm this for you.

  • Tusitala

    It is no wonder that these ravening wolves are now communing with the Pope. There is no church as greedy and venal as the Roman one, at least one and usually two collections during each liturgy, every mission, every order of priests and nuns constantly begging for donations. “Let us pray for you and your intentions…” etc, etc…FOR A PRICE. I know many seniors on very limited, fixed incomes who received letters from their Cardinal actually telling them that they should be giving at least $500 to the annual appeal. I think of our dear Lord in His one robe and worn sandals, nowhere to lay His head, His heart bursting with Love, giving His sweetness to each soul He encountered and living a humble life, His hands weathered and calloused, what grace, what wonder. It makes my blood boil when those vicious, lying perverted men and women say they are following Jesus caring for His people, what blasphemy. I am sure that it grieves the Lord’s deepest heart terribly.

    • Skywatcher

      Tusitala, I hear ya! I know it’s impossible for us to comprehend, but it must be EXTREMELY difficult for God (pure and unconditional love) I John 4: 8, 16) to be able to allow this hateful abuse of His people to go on this way! God keeps a perfect record of all these things, and ALL people will be rewarded accordingly. We need to pray that they will come to repentance and be saved.

    • @ Tusitala

      “I think of our dear Lord in His one robe and worn sandals, nowhere
      to lay His head, His heart bursting with Love, giving His sweetness
      to each soul He encountered and living a humble life, His hands
      weathered and calloused, what grace, what wonder.”

      What a beautiful and true statement of Jesus, an absolute PEARL !

      God bless you Tusitala ! As we go through the new year we would
      do well to remember Jesus earthly life, his grace and truth, his suff-
      ering for humanity !…Indeed “what wonder !”

  • Skywatcher

    I hear a lot of criticism of these people, and yes, it is warranted. However, one has to seriously ask, “Are these followers really of His fold? Are they born again? I don’t believe they are, or the Holy Spirit within them would convict them of the wrong that is going on. He would show them that the deeds in their meetings are contradictory to His Word.

    What I’m not hearing is many people encouraging us to pray for these sin-sick souls, made in God’s image and likeness. In the meantime, Christ encouraged us not to be smug or self-righteous because we’re “not one of them”. He commanded us to watch and pray. I’m convinced that most of us have the “watch” part correct, but what are we praying for? Are we praying amiss by praying for His speedy return to get us out of this mess, or are we praying “without ceasing” for lost souls like these to come to the real Jesus? Just a little something to think about.

    Now, as for us, we can take these things and be mightily encouraged; Jesus said these things would happen before He comes back. These behaviors are screaming loud and clear: Pray up! Clean up! Look up! Because soon…we’re goin’ up! Let’s make it our heart’s desire to take some of these thieves with us, as God answers our prayers for their repentance and return to Him! God is soooo good! He allows us to do that for each other and for rogues like these!

  • Char

    Patrice, thank you for the info. I will look into these organizations. Its too bad we can’t get a list of these “Christian” organizations on the percentage that actually goes to the cause like we can for Unicef, Salvation Army, Goodwill and all the others.

    • Do you think that all the food given and collected for the “food bank” goes to the food bank? Once I went there and I saw the [volontary?] employees sorting and keeping the best food for themselves! And before they finished their sorting, when a poor man chosed something a bit valuable from the shelf, they asked him: “are you sure that you want to take that one?”

  • Need these televangelists to travel so much?

    Private jet is for people who travel a lot, otherwise it’s only a luxury. This is like owning a private car. You cannot hire a taxi everyday to go to work, to the supermarket, to school, etc.; but if you are driving only one or two times a month for a short distance, it doesn’t make sense neither to pay for a car, it’s maintainance, the assurance, license fees, parking fees and tickets.

    There are people who need a private jet. If you have to go to Tokyo tommorow, then to Jakarta the following day and to Paris the third day, you may not be able to find a plane that deserve all these destinations within that time, and traveling non stop such a way in business class will cost you more than owning a private jet. In this case owning a private make sense, but why may need a pastor to travel so much? (I remember one of the televangelist on the TV asking to send our prayer requests to him so when he will go to Jerusalem he will put the written prayers inside the Western wall…)

    I myself have a flying license, but I have no private jet, not even a Cessna 172. In fact I will be happy if can just own a house, but that also seems to be “reserved” to pastors and televangelists who may own several of them valued several million dollars each…

    It is written: “He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise.” (Luke 3:11)

    “Coast” and “meat” are used as sample, and that verse also apply for other necessary commodities, including houses. But why these never satisfied pastors not only are unable to share anything, or at least to help somebody? because they are from the devil:

    “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.” (2 Cor.11:13-14)

    Instead of sharing, they steal and abuse poor people by saying things like: “If you don’t come to the church you are not a Christian and if you don’t tithe you are a thief and will go to hell”. Note that it is the only case when you may hear the word “hell” from the mouth of a pastor, in all other case, everything is hyper-grace, OSAS, eternal security and free pretrib ticket to heaven!

    “And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
    Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?
    Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: but ye feed not the flock.
    The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up that which was broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them.
    And they were scattered, because there is no shepherd: and they became meat to all the beasts of the field, when they were scattered.
    My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them.
    Therefore, ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD;
    As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock;
    Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD;
    Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them….” Es 34:1-10

    It’s time for the true servants of God to leave the local congregation false “church”:

    “And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. ” (Rev 18:4-5)

    Remember: “For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God…” (1 Peter 4:17a)

  • Char

    Marc, that is very disheartening to know that these people are so greedy, but again, I feel that they are accountable for their actions, just as I am, so I have to give with a cheerful heart and God will bless me for it and those who are greedy will be cursed for their actions. We can’t track every dollar and food item we give, so I will just keep giving with a cheerful heart to the organizations that I feel God is in, but I’m always open to suggestions from you folks who are giving to some organizations that you know are Christian and are giving as much as they are supposed to give of it. I like Jonathan Bernis of Jewish Voice for one to donate to. I believe they are sincere.

    • Char,

      you said: “We can’t track every dollar and food item we give, so I will just keep giving with a cheerful heart to the organizations that I feel God is in.”

      When we use our own money to buy things – for example food – for ourself, we pay all our possible attention to not being cheated, isn’t?. I don’t buy apples the eyes closed to later discover at home that the apples are rotten. When you buy a camera you want to try it in the shop, not to go home with a box containing a lemon! If we know how to pay attention with our own money, how can we be negligent with the money of our Lord?

      “organizations that I feel God is in”

      Feeling? I don’t trust any organization by my feeling. In fact, I don’t trust any “organization” at all! Please see my posting above about the food bank donation where the best food is sorted and taken away by their employees!

      I only give to persons I am sure are really in need.

  • Donna M.

    A thought… why not support this ministry? You know where the money is going, you have evidence of the good work it is doing, and you are benefiting from it personally. My donations are meager, but based on my budget. Every little (or big) amount counts, as I imagine Geoffrey Grider would agree.

  • Donna M.

    ANOTHER thought (two thoughts; I’m at my quota for the day)… someome commented earlier about giving to Voice of the Martyrs. I also used to give to that organization; however, I was told they also use much of their money for administrative, overhead, and other costs, less of it goes to actual ministry. I belong to a Pre-trib Rapture forum, and the leader of that group takes donations and MONTHLY donates it 100% to ministries who use 100% for ministry, especially ministries in Israel. It’s a great forum, in case any are interested in joining it, and I believe NTEB is also a member. It’s on facebook, called Pre-Tribulation Rapture Forum. It is managed well so that only good, legitimate, scriptural information is posted, not lots of opinions. I encourage you to check it out. Like NTEB, I find it a great place to get solid information, encouragement, good teaching, other great resources, and a type of “fellowship” with other believers in these last days. Maranatha!

  • Char

    Well Marc, I guess I need some help in this area. I stopped going to my local (very large) church due to the reasons mentioned in this website and others since it has taken on an entertainment circus like atmosphere. It looks like an airport inside. I was told to stop donating to IFCJ due to the Rabbi that heads it is not being on the up and up, so I replaced them with Jewish Voice (Jonathan Bernis) and a few others. It’s too bad we have to be so cautious in giving to so called Christian organizations. The 700 Club is a member of ECFJ so you would think they are giving ALL the donations to these causes, but I guess not.

    • Char,

      “it has taken on an entertainment circus like atmosphere.”

      Sadly, this is no more restricted to Mega-churches only. “Nano”-churches of 10 people or less are now the same.

      “It looks like an airport inside”

      For some churches, I may even say it sounds like you have put your head inside a B747 engine running at full power…

  • Char

    Thank you Brother? Sister? Skywatcher. You have now earned your preacher’s license. Just kidding. I enjoy reading and learning all things biblical. I have seen LA Marzuli on Prophecy in the News, but I just couldn’t wrap my head around what he was saying, but you have cleared up a lot of what he was saying that I wasn’t understanding. Thank you. I’d like a dropper full of this stuff since I’m only 5′ tall. Again, just kidding. God Bless! Keep up the teaching. A lot of us need it.

  • Skywatcher

    You more than welcome, Char! I’m glad I could help. I’m your brother in Christ, and I’m not much taller than you! 🙂 One of these days, we’ll have brand new bodies…will I be taller or shorter? Oh…please…TALLER! 🙂

  • Gary

    These men make me physically sick when I hear them! When are they are going to be SHUT UP??? There time is a coming! I want to hear the Voice of the LORD Jesus Christ, and His Word! I am sick of American televangelists; they epitomize American capitalism and greed!

  • CAREY Davison

    I am hard pressed to even begin to understand what possesses the people to follow this and participate.. it is disgusting in its foolishness!

  • DR Moon

    Holy Spirit gave you the Book & Chapter but you misinterpreted it to your lustful desires….read the complete chapter. “You lie on beds adorned with ivory and lounge on your couches. You dine on choice lambs and fattened calves. You strum away on your harps like David and improvise on musical instruments. You drink wine by the bowlful and use the finest lotions, but you do not grieve over the ruin of Joseph. Therefore you will be among the first to go into exile; your feasting and lounging will end.”…..This is God’s warning to you!

    • Skywatcher

      Hentie van der Westhuizen, they’re not much different from the money changers whom Jesus confronted in the temple. They were taking that which didn’t belong to them also. They were extorting exorbitant amounts of money from the people for sacrificial animals. These rogues are extorting money from the people who are foolish enough to give/pay it, for very little in return.

      Don’t worry! God has their number, and there is a payday someday!

    • Skywatcher

      Dr. Moon, who is your comment addressed to please? Knowing that may help me to understand what it is you’re trying to say. A reference to the information would be a great help too. 🙂

      • Dr Moon

        The one in the video who said he heard from God to read Amos chapter 6.

  • char

    MRH, I am not disputing this list, but I would like to know how anyone knows who is or isn’t a freemason…do these men admit to being freemasons or is there a list somewhere in a building….just curious to know how you obtained this list.

    • MRH

      @ char: God guides AND inspires AND instructs me! As for Freemason list, I found it by Google search. By simple typing game. Can you not do the same? As for Freemason admittance, the signs and symbols hold the key! Consider below knowledge (blue pill), or go back to sleep (red pill)? Your call unto kind offers (blue, red)? 😉

      http://aeroventure.com/Wonderland/Wonderland.htm

  • Deborah

    what in the world did I just watch???
    Do they just pass out drugs at the entrance or do the “members” bring their own?
    Father God in heaven, Please forgive me for even being a witness to this drugged out savagery.

    • What you watched in the second video is the satanic heresy known as “holy laughter”, and is practised in many charismatic churches. As you can see and hear, there is nothing holy about it, kinda scary actually. It is obviously the work of the Devil.

  • Skywatcher

    Sharon, forgive me if I have offended you. It was generated suspicion when you left out the front part of that particular v. 10 and launched into you position. I’m positive I’m not talking to an angel when I respond to your comments. Angels do NOT use counterfeit bibles! If you’re using anything other than a KJV, that’s exactly what you’re using. The counterfeits are derived from the errant Alexandrian texts that the Early Church Fathers deemed to be heretical.

    Furthermore, on their translation team were homosexuals, lesbians, and Satan worshippers. I don’t know about you, but anything that has the devil in the details is not for a child of God to be following. Just to give you one example of the heresy in them, is the fact that they have changed a word around in the “Lord’s Prayer”, which made it the prayer Satanists pray to Satan! That’s how subtle these phony bibles are. They have also omitted whole verses, added and omitted key words, and changed the tense of words that seriously affect doctrine.

    The pretext is that these newer versions are easier to read but they’re not! Do you know what a satrap or a tamarisk is? Of course not! Those are words we have never heard of in most cases, much less read, so how do these make it any easier to read or understand.

    Isn’t “prince” an easier word to understand and read than “satrap”? Or “oak” easier than a tamarisk?

    Get yourself a God-breathed KJV, and you’ll have the real and unadulterated article! I don’t mean the New King James Version either; it’s one of the worst out there!

    Just so you (and others) don’t think I’m some new dog on the block, I have 32 typewritten pages of errors and omissions found in these per-versions!

    • sharon

      Cor: I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready.

      Changing one word in a prayer and so it becomes something of satan??..why do you give these things to satan?? It is only his if you allow it!!

      Just as the Lord had Abraham show His greatest faith, that he believed it was God and only God speaking to him, so too has He said to us..’offer all that you do up to Me and who else can touch it’. If you were to offer that so-called satanic prayer to the Lord and tell Him it is His alone, who else could even claim it?? NO ONE. It would be pure in the Spirit. But then, as the verse I sent you previously says, those who have a weak conscience..i.e.…. ‘Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled’. Just as adam and eve were free to eat of anything in the garden, everything was pure until..they added evil/guilt to it..not unlike a child who runs around naked with a free heart until..someone tells them that it is wrong to do so..they learn that there is right..but also wrong..and that is what you did with that prayer..’you’ made it ‘wrong’ for you. So now it IS wrong for you. It will only be pure again when you have 100% faith..i.e..no fear!!

      Titus: 15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him KJV

      Yes my friend..all things are pure..it is what we do with these things that determines whether the purity remains.

      • sKYWATCHER

        Sharon, you’ve said, “Yes my friend..all things are pure..it is what we do with these things that determines whether the purity remains.”

        If you really want to know the truth about counterfeit bibles, consider the following, and see what homos, lesbians, and Satanists have done to the Holy Bible (KJV) and WHY. They had/have an evil agenda.

        Take a look at this point: In all the new versions “devils” are replaced with “demons”. That may not seem like much at this point, but let us delve deeper:

        Webster’s Dictionary defines “demons” as “a divinity”; “devils” are a spirit of evil. So now, we have university professors promoting demon worship, as do the newer bible versions!

        A phrase used in black magic to conjure up devils is “As above, so below”. “The Message Bible” that Eugene Peterson uses has this in the Lord’s Prayer! “Our Father in heaven, reveal who you are. Set the world right; do what’s best — as above, so below!”

        Eliphas Levi’s “Dogma and Ritual of High Magic” uses the “Our Father” to pray to Satan!

        See how it is used in the newer versions:

        KJV NIV, NASB et al

        OUR Father which art in Heaven Father, hallowed be thy name
        Thy kingdom come your kingdom come
        Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth
        Give us this day our daily bread Give us each day our daily bread
        And forgive us our debts AS we forgive our debtors Forgive us our sins for we also forgive
        everyone who sins against us. (Not always true)

        And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil And lead us not into temptation but
        Luke 11: 2-4 deliver us from the evil ONE. (this limits ——- our protection). (Emphasis mine)

        They’re not talking about heaven, and they don’t want to be delivered from evil so they took that out!

        2nd Century: Marcione took those phrases out because he was a Luciferian (devil worshipper). Now, “heaven” which is God’s area code when calling upon Him has been removed.

        Problems with NIV translators:

        In 1991, Dr. Virginia Ramey Mollencott, a lesbian, wrote a book, “Sensuous Spirituality Out
        From Fundamentalism”. In the “Episcopal Witness, June 1991, she states, “My lesbianism has
        always been a part of me.” She moved away from literalism within the Scriptures, categorizing
        the literal as allegory, metaphors, etc.

        Her homosexual book, “Is the Homosexual My Neighbor?” echoes her NIV’s assertion that the
        Bible censures only criminal offenses like “prostitution” and “violent gang rape”, not sincere
        homosexuals drawn to someone of the same sex.

        KJV NIV, NASB et al

        I Cor. 6: 9 effeminate (soft; pliable; nothing to do with male prostitutes nor homosexual
        criminality) offenders

        Deut. 23: 17; I Kings 15: 12; 22: 46; 2 Kings 23: 7 calls Calls them shrine prostitutes
        the “offenders” sodomites.

        In her first book, Dr. Mollencott speaks of using Tarot cards and I Ching (two forms of
        Occultism) and doing “automatic writing”, in which the spirits take control of her writing hand
        and do the actual writing. This is one of the translators of the NIV! Doesn’t that make you feel
        comfortable and eternally secure?! It gets worse…”

        I stop here, because this is a section I’ve taken out of my 32 pg. transcript, pointing out the errors of the modern messes we call “bibles”. When you get a moment, you might want to check out Madame Blavatsky, another occultist on the “translation” team! Call me dumb, stupid, naive, or whatever, but for the life of me, I don’t believe my loving Heavenly Father would want me to get my theology from messed up modern per-versions that have seriously twisted the words He wants us to have!

        If you want the whole enchilada, go to YouTube and check out Dr. Gail Riplinger’S EXPERT expose on the topic, comparing one translation to many others! Extremely good, for those who want to know the truth! You’ll really enjoy it.

        Here are two links that are matches made in Heaven:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFtI_mVOXbQ (Search: Anderson/Jimenez and KJV)
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GijmNGyBJE0 (Gail Riplinger)

        This evidence I’ve presented and MUCH MORE is in the links above. Gail’s is an older link, but truth never changes! Interesting to note, when one goes to buy her books (“New Age Bible Versions” or “New World Order Bible Versions”, the New Agers and other occultists are quick to try to discredit her, but she shows all her undeniable evidence, as presented here! She puts the light forward to chase out the darkness!

        As always, there are the naysayers and those who still walk in ignorance who make comments to try to put her down and discredit her, but in the end, we’ll ALL see who gets put “DOWN”…way down.

        • sKYWATCHER

          I apologize! In the transmission, the columns messed up and the Scriptural comparisons are all out of alignment. If you check out the links, you can view the info, or email me for the whole transcript, FREE of charge: scotianprince@eastlink.ca

        • sharon

          Oh my friend you are so chained to fear and superstition. Did you not understand what the Lord was saying about being ‘free’ to eat the food that is actually offered to false gods?? Do you not understand that God has said that these false gods are ‘nothing’ on earth?? So why do you fear a ‘word out of place’ or so-called inferior Bibles?? Are you not above all that with your connection to the Lord Jesus?? Have not all demons been placed under your feet?? Are you in fear that the Lord would allow a demon to gain possession of you if you get a word wrong?? It seems you are so busy being scared of the ‘Word’ being deceitful, that you have ‘grounded’ yourself in your worship. The personal relationship with God would take that fear from you so that all superstitions and fear would vanish and your faith and trust in Jesus would set you free from the worry of cursing various Scripts. Let HIM teach/guide/answer!! Do you think if you had been reading the ‘other’ Bibles and been unaware of what you may have found out about certain passages, that the Lord would turn from you. NO. Because you have read them with FAITH and a pure heart..just as adam and eve did. But now you have the ‘knowledge of good and evil’ and it has tainted your faith. Do you think if you had read that so-called ‘prayer to satan'(just because a word is changed) that you would have called upon satan?? NO, because you would have read it to the Lord Himself..it would have come from a pure heart that was praying to the Lord Himself..and He would have accepted it with love. Just as when a child might give you burnt toast on your birthday breakfast, yet you smile and love it anyway as it was done out of love/innocence and was their best!!! That is what that verse is saying..do all things with the faith in your heart and in the Lord’s protection. Although, as the verse also says, what you have made tainted IS tainted still for you. Just as the Lord says that no food is unclean now..ie..we can eat pork etc., some are still weak in their conscience so it is still tainted for those who allow it to be… so we have to accept their weakness so that they will not sin by going against what they believe and cause them to commit ‘presumptuous sin’. So my friend, that is what I will do right now..leave you to your fear and hope that your faith will grow so the Lord can free you from it one day. Thankyou for your discussions.

          • SKYWATCHER

            Sharon, this will be my last comment to you, as I do not purposefully cast my pearls before swine. I have been a Christian for almost 50 years (two weeks shy of). In that time, God Almighty has brought me through some mighty dark and challenging times, but I was never alone, and I had His pure and HOLY Word to rely upon. I had very godly, wise, and sincere pastors who warned us about these phony intruders (“bibles” way back in the 60’s and up to now, showing us the errors, and why it would be eternally detrimental to chase after false doctrines if we wanted the truth and nothing but.

            For you to accuse me of being “chained to fear and superstition” is laughable! Why would you want to lean upon “scriptures” that have been tainted by such folks, with the agenda of infiltrating the Church with their propaganda bibles promoting the NWO and demoting Christ? Why wouldn’t YOU want to know what God’s Word really says?

            As I’ve said before, to change a word, a tense of a word, or to add or omit a word takes away from the integrity of God’s Word, and you no longer have such!

            The integrity of God’s Word is of extreme vital importance to a born again child of God! It is their meat and milk; it is their source of strength, courage, instruction, discipline, maturity and personal growth and development.

            2 Timothy 3: 15-17 says it quite nicely, “And that from a child thou hast known the HOLY scriptures, which are able to make thee wise UNTO SALVATION through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is :

            Profitable for doctrine
            For reproof
            For correction
            For instruction in righteousness; 17: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.”

            God will only honor His Word! When man has defiled it and robbed God of the right to share His truth with us, then they have crossed a very serious line. Jesus said it best when He said, “…And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.”

            You said, “Do you think if you had read that so-called ‘prayer to satan'(just because a word is changed) that you would have called upon satan?? NO, because you would have read it to the Lord Himself..it would have come from a pure heart that was praying to the Lord Himself..and He would have accepted it with love.”

            I have to disagree with you there. First of all, once I knew the truth of what I was doing, I’d have to repent and turn away from using such a book because I’d know what it was really about. Secondly, to read it with a pure heart…God will only allow that to go on for so long until He puts someone to warn me or an article in my pathway to read, that would show me the difference between darkness and light within the covers of the book.

            This is why we are admonished to “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”

            One CANNOT “rightly” divide “the word of truth” when they don’t have it in the first place!

            If I have two treasure maps and I give one to you (a fake) and the real one to another person, who is going to find the treasure? Wouldn’t you be just a tad upset with me for knowingly giving your a false guide to follow? I’m sure you’d find plenty of adjectives to describe your grief and disappointment when you walked into an open septic tank and not into the room with the treasure! You, my “friend” have the wrong map, and it’s best you find out now before you pass on and find yourself in the “septic tank” of eternity!

            I’ve presented the truth to you, and plenty of information to show how God’s Word has been seriously manipulated, mutilated, and desecrated. If you don’t want to be bothered to follow up on it and become wise to the wiles of the devil, that’s your choice. It has nothing to do with meat or idols! It has to do with having the truth and knowing what God expects of us, and what we can expect from Him…here and in the hereafter.

            I have no fear whatsoever! I have very serious and crucial evidence, based upon serious research, scrutiny, and the many “bibles” I’ve kept to show the errors and omissions to others. What do you have? FEAR! A fear of what you might find if you do your due diligence. How sad! I’ve done my part; you and others reading this have been duly warned. This has nothing to do with fear, but with Truth.

            Jesus said, “…If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” John 8: 31, 32.

            Notice: “in MY word…” (emphasis mine). He didn’t say in somebody else’s word, but HIS word and His alone. He also said that if we do not continue in HIS Word, we are NOT His disciples. To follow after someone else’s words/teachings/doctrines is to be their disciple or follower. Anyone who follows the words of Mme. Blavatsky, etc. in the modern messes are NOT following Christ’s words.

          • sharon

            To sky watcher: ‘Why would you want to lean upon “scriptures” that have been tainted by such folks, with the agenda of infiltrating the Church with their propaganda bibles promoting the NWO and demoting Christ? Why wouldn’t YOU want to know what God’s Word really says’?

            That is my whole point…I do not lean on the Scripture’s as much as I lean on the Lord Himself..He will Speak of all. I had spoken of things in the Bible before I had even read them..all praise being to the Lord!!! He had already given me these Scripts before I had even read them..and yet you are saying this Bible is wrong and that Bible is wrong..placing doubt into the minds of people that may now question what they have read. How long you have been a Christian is of no concern to me(although it is longer for me), it is the Divine Knowledge that the Lord Himself reveals that many will miss out on if they are too busy looking for ‘how satan has distorted this and that’. Go to Jesus and the Holy Spirit will guide you whether you have a Bible or not…’as even the darkness IS LIGHT to the Lord’..ie..the darkness is subject to Him so whatever happens, He has His Hands on it..it is what He has allowed/commanded/instructed/caused to happen!!!

            Knowledge comes with age but not necessarily wisdom..it is how you use that knowledge that determines how wise one is.

            The Lord will reveal this to you in good Time..so, as I said previously, be careful of who you entertain…’ The Lord has angels in many places.

            Love will lead you..faith will keep that connection.

  • Laura

    Keep exposing them!I like this better than the false prophecies articles.That Jonathan Cahn really burnt me but good!

    • Suez

      Oh, Laura! Cahn is creepy looking, and another Charlton! I’m glad your finally seeing the truth there! I pray many more peoples eyes will be open to these false teachers! I’ve never liked him. Just looking at him gave me the creeps, like Joel Osteen… Yesuha gives me a knowing about many of these devils, but sometimes I have gotten suckered in, but only for a while. Thanks be to the Holy Spirit! So glad you were made aware!

  • Skywatcher

    Mark, you said, “@ Heather: Ban Ki Moon is NWO, as are all others (I know more than most know).. Consider scripture:)”

    Then surely, you must know Prov. 16: 18, “Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.”

    Not to be mean or cruel, but I’ve seen you say a fair amount on here (and other posts) that do NOT align with Scripture. Be careful!

    • MRH

      @ Skywatcher: I know more than most, meaning I do research, I don’t blindly follow the flock. As for what I post, it all aligns with scripture as I interpret things. And none of us have perfect understanding yet. So please relax brother 🙂

      • sKYWATCHER

        I’m sorry MRH, but I don’t “relax” when I see God’s Word being twisted out of proper “formation”. When one straggling goose flies out of formation, it destroys the airflow for the rest of them coming from behind.

        You said, in reference to your knowledge, “as I interpret things.” I’ve put into another comment to you, plenty of info that can help you to piece the “puzzle” together much better for you. Enjoy, Brother!

        • MRH

          @ sKYWATCHER: Uhmm.. I’m not twisting scripture, you just think I am 🙁

          As for that other longer comment, I gave you plenty to reconsider 🙂

        • shARON

          What does the Lord say about ‘straggling geese?? Luke 9: 49And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. 50And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us. KJV

          Oh solid food!!

  • bremertonchristian

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  • sKYWATCHER

    Bro. Geoffrey, et al, are you aware of the pope’s recent antics again? If not, here’s the link:

    http://grandmageri422.me/2015/12/31/why-is-pope-francis-insisting-once-again-that-the-cross-of-christ-is-gods-failure/

    “For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God” (1 Corinthians 1:18).

    No more needs to be said in defense of this sock puppet!

  • SKYWATCHER

    Geoffrey, I’m also having the same issue as David Kaus and others are with WordPress, “Slow down! You’re posting too fast!” It won’t accept the post at that time. One has to go back and resubmit it.

  • sharon

    Jer 17..5 Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.

    The Church and Its Leaders

    1Brothers and sisters, I could not address you as people who live by the Spirit but as people who are still worldly—mere infants in Christ. 2I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. 3You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarrelling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere humans? 4For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not mere human beings?

    5What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe—as the Lord has assigned to each his task. 6I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God has been making it grow. 7So neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow. 8The one who plants and the one who waters have one purpose, and they will each be rewarded according to their own labour. 9For we are co-workers in God’s service; you are God’s field, God’s building.

    18Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become “fools” so that you may become wise. 19For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness” ; 20and again, “The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile.” 21So then, no more boasting about human leaders!

    James 4:16
    But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil.

    For those who only believe the KJV:

    Jer 17..5 Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.

    Paul and Apollos God’s Fellow Workers

    1And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 2I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. 3For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? 4For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

    5Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7So then neither is he that planteth anything, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. 8Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. 9For we are labourers together with God: ye are God’s husbandry, ye are God’s building.

    18Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
    19For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. 20And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain. 21Therefore let no man glory in men.

    James 4:16
    But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil.

    • Litmus Test

      Sharon, what business does darkness have with light? I see you use a strange version of the Holy Bible. Do you not know what God’s Word says about messin’ around with His Word? Here, check this out:

      “Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.” Proverbs 30: 5, 6.

      As Skywatcher was so adequately trying to impress upon you, to add to or to take away from God’s Word as the modern versions do, is to be asking God for a trip into His woodshed. When one word is changed, the whole message is changed!

      The Bible goes on to say that His word is “forever settled in Heaven”. There is no license or room for anybody else to meddle with it. Skywatcher told you that these modern versions come from marred transcripts, and this is true. Otherwise, the early Church fathers would not have called them heresy, as he has already stated.

      If I write a letter to you and address the envelope with ONE wrong number in the address, that changes the whole direction of the letter. It won’t get to you, my intended recipient. The same applies with God’s Word; if one word or verse is added or omitted, or changed in the slightest, it CANNOT get my intended message to you. Somebody has hijacked it, and done to it whatever they wanted to do to meet their personal agenda.

      You have stated, “For those who only believe the KJV:
      Jer 17..5 Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.”

      Those of us who are wise enough to heed wise counsel, we choose to stand upon what that which we KNOW to be God’s Word; we do not lean upon our own understanding or upon others when it comes to doctrine and sound counsel. Again, you have taken this verse out of context and attempted to beat us over the head with it. We TRUST in the Lord and His Holy Word; we have done our homework and found the other versions seriously unholy and lacking much. We don’t trust in man as you accuse, but then again, there are times when God allows that to happen, aren’t there!

      Look at the nation of Israel…they had to trust Moses for 40 years; then there was Joshua…the same people had to trust him; then there was David, and on and on. God raises up people in positions of leadership, etc. to help us along the way, so PLEASE do not accuse us of leaning upon man and NOT upon God; you’re way out of line when you do that.

      You may want to slow down a little, stop taking bits and pieces of Scriptures out of context to support your arguments, and consider the whole of God’s Word, “rightly dividing the Word of Truth.” Many of us on this forum have been around this “mountain” many times, and for MANY good reasons, we trust the KJV and it ONLY! It has passed all the very careful tests and criticisms that ALL the others cannot! That includes the one you’re currently using.

      I’m actually opposed to the idea that Bro. Geoffrey would even allow you to quote the Satanic verses, thereby indoctrinating baby Christians and others with this tainted theology!

      • sharon

        ‘Sharon, what business does darkness have with light’?

        Do you not ‘see’ that the darkness and Light hold no fear to God?? He uses them both for His Own purposes. It is you that have separated them. but for the Lord, He uses all for His Own Will..EVERYTHING is created for Him and Through Him. Do you not grasp how ‘above’ all this He is?? He will use the darkness for His own purpose, therefore it is used for the LIGHT. Can you not grasp that??

        12Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: The darkness AND THE LIGHT ARE BOTH THE SAME TO THEE.

        He sent darkness, and made the land dark; they did not rebel against his words.

        •(Isaiah 45:7, KJV)–“I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”
        •(Amos 3:6)–“Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?”

        “I am the Lord, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known Me; 6That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other, 7The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these,” (Isaiah 45:5-7).

        •”And the Lord said to him, “Who has made man’s mouth? Or who makes him dumb or deaf, or seeing or blind? Is it not I, the Lord?” (Exodus 4:11)

  • Sam

    Kenneth is an awesome man of faith and I love him. This article is trash… They need to preach the Gospel so they need planes to get the job done…

  • Litmus Test

    Sharon, I’ve been reading what Skywatcher and you have debated about…corrupt bibles. You said in your last comment, “That is my whole point…I do not lean on the Scripture’s as much as I lean on the Lord Himself..He will Speak of all.”

    You, my dear, have contradicted yourself in that one statement. If you read John 1: 1, Christ and the Word are both the same! You cannot “lean” on one and not the other. Therefore, if people have messed around with the Word, they have messed around with Christ and His teachings, making them of none effect and violated.

    The message in these corrupt “bibles” is no longer His message. The same bible that you’re using is taken from the same corrupted Alexandrian texts that the J.W.’s New World Translation is taken from! How does that make you feel to know that you both are sharing the same bible?

    If I were you, that would cause me considerable concern, and maybe I’d want to check it out further before announcing more loudly to the world that I’m an authority on the matter, when you don’t know jack squat about what you’re talking about…

    Skywatcher is correct when he quotes’ Jesus as saying, “The blind lead the blind and they fall into the ditch.” You’re in the ditch and having a hard time to listen to wise counsel to get yourself out of it. In fact, if you truly leaned upon the Lord of the Holy Bible, you should be hearing His voice warning you to forsake the unholy and to get a Holy Bible. The Lord NEVER contradicts Himself; these phony bibles contradict themselves and each other! Hint! Something must be wrong there…

    • sharon

      I am still angered in the Spirit that you speak of the Holy Word..the Bible..as satanic!! I can not believe that you would cast away or curse a Bible. If you leaned on the Lord more..as I said..He would perfect any Bible you read from. May the Lord forgive you but most of all, correct you.

      woe to those that call good evil!!

      • Litmus Test

        You’ll have an eternity to get over it. I’m trying to warn you that what you have is NOT the “Holy Bible”! You have a “christian” version of the “Satanic Verses”! There is a world of difference. Check this site out further and see what they have to say about it!

        Blessed are those who call evil EVIL!

        I’m really disappointed that other “KJV” Christians on here are NOT standing up for and defending the pure and holy Word of God! What’s the matter with ya’s? Afraid, or not that familiar with it?

        • Dianne

          Hello Litmus Test,
          I totally agree with you about the NEW AGE BIBLE versions. The LORD showed me the TRUTH about them almost 2 decades ago through Gail Riplinger’s ministry. However I believe that you and Skywatcher are doing a fine job showing Sharon the Truth but her wil is strong and she is not convinced by you or anyone right now. The HOLY SPIRIT will have to take over from here with her. Just pray for her and move on. You have shared wonderfully and I have enjoyed reading your posts, but sometimes it’s best to stop and trust that GOD’S timing is perfect. Rest in knowing that and return to having the spirit of peace. Blessings to you with much joy.

          • Litmus Test

            Thank you, Dianne, for your input!

            You’re absolutely correct, and I REALLY do hope she takes some time to look at the overwhelming evidence!
            Your blessing has reached me, and I’m overwhelmed with peace and joy! My work in that regard is done.
            God bless you, too!

        • sharon

          I have checked through site after site and not one of the sites have claimed that the KJV is the ‘correct translation’ let alone the ONLY correct one. In fact, I read that the KJV was not translated from the earliest writings.
          The Bible is satanic??!! That so-called satanic book has save many, many souls..how could something that has saved so many people be satanic!!?? Stop tainting the Word and let those who believe..believe. It causes fear and doubting faith.

          ‘Those who are not against us are with us’!!

          • MRH

            @ sharon: The KJV is just a translation and it does have errors. But the important thing is the message NOT exactly how things are worded. After all, modern English is NOT the same as Old English. And in fact the 1611 KJV was translated from a less legible prior version. But unfortunately no original texts exist, all lost to history. The closest ancient translations are the Dead Sea Scrolls, but they are only fragments, and of OT only.

            As for KJV only fanatics, that’s only their opinion. I usually prefer the KJV because I’m more familiar with it 😉

            P.S. http://aeroventure.com/A_Message_To_All/The_Documents/How_should_we_study_scripture-FRAMEPAGE.htm 🙂

          • sharon

            Thankyou for your response MRH :)That’s pretty much what I have read throughout the sites.

          • MRH

            @ sharon: As with churches, ALL bibles are flawed. But too complex to explain tonight 😉

            P.S. If a church or bible offers salvation, then is it satanic, or simply otherwise? 😉

          • Litmus Test

            You’re quite a case, Sharon! You accuse me of “tainting the Word”, and yet, you will NOT look at all the overwhelming evidence to support my case, declaring that others have “tainted the Word”! If that’s not the “pot calling the kettle black”, I really don’t know what is.

            For your information, and those also reading, I did NOT say the “Bible is Satanic”! You’re twisting the truth again. I said the newer modern counterfeit bibles are Satanic, NOT the “Holy Bible”! There is a huge difference!

            You said, “I have checked through site after site and not one of the sites have claimed that the KJV is the ‘correct translation’ let alone the ONLY correct one.”

            As for checking out “site after site”, you’re obviously NOT looking at the correct sites! You’re like a liberal “Christian” who shuns Conservative Christian literature, etc., like a vampire hates the light! I don’t go to Sears looking for endorsements for Mark’s Work Warehouse! I have to go to the right sites.

            Of course, you’re going to find negative information on it! It’s put out there by the shills like Copeland, Hagin, Schueller, etc. who want to distract people from the Truth, and to promote their unholy agenda…and their bibles!

            It’s no different than the mainstream news! Most people will NOT look to the left or to the right to find a balance in what is being reported to them; they swallow it as gospel truth and run with it. Most of it is nothing more than propaganda.

            You said, “In fact, I read that the KJV was not translated from the earliest writings.”

            That is a bald-faced lie! We do NOT have the original manuscripts, but we have COPIES! Hundreds of copies of the original! The Holy Bible (KJV) is NOT that far removed from them to be of questionable content.

            Apart from Dr. Riplinger and others, I have a little book on my desk, “Why I Believe The Old King James Bible”, by Dr. Bruce Lackey. You can probably get it for $5.00 online, but it’s worth its weight in gold! It will tell you everything and anything you need to know about the Holy Bible, holding nothing back, and providing evidence to show your sources were demonic shills. It too, shows many of the additions and omissions! Again, you were sadly misinformed by the same group of people! This is NOT what the old time Bible scholars discovered or shared with others!

            You said, “That so-called satanic book has save many, many souls..how could something that has saved so many people be satanic!!??”

            Has it really? How do you know that for sure? I disagree with you! It has given them a false sense of security and salvation, but how can one be saved when they were NOT presented with the truth? It’s not possible! They believe they have been, but Mt. 7: 23 disagrees with them. Once on the other side, it’s way too late to find out; there is no second chance after death, Heb. 9: 27. These SAME “saved” people are the ones who are being duped by these tele-devils like Copeland and all. They do NOT have the real Word of God to give them discernment, wise counsel, etc. They’re blinding following after lies and fables, believing they have the truth.

            I don’t know…if it were me, and my soul was hanging in the balance, which, I really should have been dead today, I’d really do my utmost best to seek for the truth. I’ve given you the path, but you obviously don’t want to follow it for fear of what you might find, and because you’ll have to swallow your pride and eat some very serious “crow”.

            Do as has been suggested; grab your favorite beverage, and go to YouTube to see what Dr. Gail Riplinger, an EXPERT in the field, (who has spent MANY years ferreting out the faults) HAS TO SHOW. She doesn’t merely talk about them, she points them out in the various versions! Don’t be afraid! Jesus said, “Fear not, for I am with thee.”

            I said, “I really should have been dead today”. I literally mean today! Please let me explain, and then you can decide if I have the real Holy Spirit and His guidance or not.

            Part of my living is driving a truck. I own a car and a truck. I had planned on putting a lot of weight on my truck yesterday and hauling it over 100 miles. That didn’t happen because the Lord intervened. On my way to church Sunday morning, just a mile up the road, less than a quarter of a mile from the church, my truck suddenly started jumping all over the road and I didn’t have good steering. I got out to see if I had a flat tire; all were good.

            I drove slowly the rest of the way, and God provided a miracle: I was able to steer the truck across the road and into the parking lot. Prior to that, it was straight ahead and ONLY straight ahead. I parked the truck and went inside for worship. Later got a flatbed tow truck.

            It turned out, it was a broken tie rod end! Had God not directed me to take the half-ton instead of the car, I would’ve definitely had a very serious accident in which the load would have killed me, or if this had happened while passing another vehicle, or meeting an 18 wheeler, I would’ve surely died. My funeral arrangements on my desk would be in play right now!

            Please don’t tell me that I do NOT hear the Lord’s voice! He spared my life so that I could spare your soul and others following our debate, by continuing to encourage you to at least listen to Dr. Riplinger. She’s very interesting and CORRECT!

      • Ed K

        Rev 22:16-20 KJV Revelation 22:18 Context

        “16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star. 17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. 18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book. 20He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.” (Cited: https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-22-18/ 2014)

        Sharon, Litmus Test and all others following this debate:

        No Bible translation is perfectly translated because neither the humans nor the languages of humans are perfect. However,I’ll agree that the KJV in my opinion is one of the best if not the best translation from the original Hebrew and Greek the earliest OT & NT books were written in into the English. Those that originally wrote them were human pens or tools in God’s Hand to write or communicate His Truth to the lost throughout the ages. However there are some things lost in the translations into any language other than the original Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, etc. and there are some things whose meanings are slightly off due to things not translating perfectly into other languages. The best way to get the exact gist of what God said would be to learn the original languages and go to those original scriptures. An example would be the Psalms which as far as I know, were originally in poetic form. Try translating poetry or jokes into another language and you’ll catch my drift. Another example would be translating hymns from English into Spanish. My new wife & I go to a church that has a congregation that is nearly 50% Hispanic (the associate minister is also Hispanic and fluent in Spanish, English and Portuguese (the language of his native Brazil). Although I’m not Hispanic myself, I have a working knowledge of the language and can read Spanish with fairly good comprehension. They put the words in both languages on the screen and guess what? The lyrics being sung are often different in meaning due to not being able to get the neccessary meter, rhyme or beat to the music by direct translation. However, whoever translated did the best they could to make it fit the music and it’s praise to the Lord regardless of whether it’s being sung in English and Spanish. However what is artistic license as far as translating hymns doesn’t apply to God’s Word as conveyed in the warning of the next to the last promises made in the Bible (“I come quickly” is the last or should I say “amen” or “so be it” is the last). Adding, subtracting or changing the Bible is about as serious an offense as you can commit against the Almighty, especially with God promising, not threatening judgment if you do add or subtract. I’d be afraid to translate it from one language to another. That has to be an awesome responsibility. Thank the Lord that He used some brave souls to translate it into English or I’d have no access to His written Word. The JW’s take eternal hell out of the Bible and in Romans 10:13 replace the “name of the Lord” with Jehovah (we English speakers usually mispronounce God’s Name). They subtract the Diety of Christ and add their usually false prophecies via the Watch Tower). The Mormons also add teachings that the Father was once a man who became God, not to mention their book of mormons and other heretical teachings and subtract hell from the Bible just as the JW’s and SDA’s and others(thanks Geoffrey for those posts on those and other cults). I must take a moment to offer thanks and gratitude to the Lord for delivering me from death many times similar to how He delivered Litmus Test. First of all, in 2006, I had a severe infection in my intestines that nearly made my first wife a widow (she beat me to the grave though when she passed away in 2007.) I had to go into emergency surgery where I ruptured and had to be revived several times (I’m one who can truthfully tell that the Lord does give dying graces when it’s time). Going into the operating room, I had a sense that I might not make it, but had peace. I knew just seconds before I went under that there was a good sense I’d see Jesus when I opened my eyes. I almost did. With my immune system compromised by 4 steroids my doctors had prescribed to combat a life threatening bout of asthma due to allergens in my workplace, the surgeon gave me less than a 50/50 chance of making it 24 hrs post op. By a miracle though, I pulled through. Another near brush with death came about 5 months after I bought a house in the country and remarried. I was still working 70 miles away from my new home and had to commute. On Valentine’s day, I was driving home from working all night and planning to stop at the local Walmart for a gift for my new wife. Suddenly, the tie rods went and I was all over the road, I miraculously missed every vehicle and person (including an 18 wheeler and a man walking up a hill to do work on a farm) and miraculously didn’t flip over as the man I almost hit said that I nearly did. It turned out that I didn’t have a scratch on me and nobody else was injured and no property other than my car,a hillside and several trees. When a Sheriff’s Deputy showed up on the scene and asked me if I was wearing my seat belt, I said two things. “If I wasn’t sir, we wouldn’t be having this conversation, especially since my air bag failed to deploy” and “The Lord was really looking out for me! The deputy looked at my car, which looked worse than some pictures of wreckage where people were killed and said, “Amen to that”. All I can say is the Lord isn’t finished working on me yet.–Ed K

        • sharon

          Yes K I am aware of the warning about the prophecy of revelations..but you saying that ‘No Bible translation is perfectly translated’..would render them all fake as it goes against that very warning?? No, God knew thr hearts of those who translated the Books so those that did it in full respect and effort would not be cursed. THAT is why we need to lean on Jesus, a personal relationship where you will KNOW for certain what He requires. Using common sense here also. He speaks of this when He was accused of not keeping the Sabbath day without work. He said to them..’would I not save a sheep down the well??’ He is telling us that there are Times when we will break a commandment but for good reason. Do you think if one was a doctor, that the Lord would expect him/her to leave someone, who was very ill and might die, alone..just because He has said to keep the Sabbath holy and not work?? What sort of righteous King would do that?? Would He curse you if you went through a ‘no entry signed street’ so as to assist a homeless man who was in trouble, because He has said to follow the laws here?? This is the ‘freedom’ that the Lord has given those who follow Him with full faith and no fear..that everything you do is in innocence and clear conscience even though it may be ‘breaking a rule/law’. I need to leave for work now as I am a little late. Thankyou for your reply.

        • Litmus Test

          Ed K, I want to say a HUGE “thank you”, for your comment on Bible translations. Very well stated, and very true!

          Thank you, so very much for your testimony too! So sorry to hear of your first wife’s passing, but glad that you were able to get back into the saddle again. So many don’t, and that’s o.k. too.

          It’s really great to hear what our Lord is doing in the lives of His children, and I’m so grateful that he spared your life! There is so much bad news happening all around us, and sometimes, it’s just nice to hear a praise for our Lord, as He blesses us in so many ways! He gave me another miracle at 6:30 this morning. I was carrying almost 200 lbs. of dead weight and I tripped over my own feet! So far, my back feels great as usual, and I’m trusting Him that it will remain feeling that way in the days ahead! If any of you feel so inclined to pray for me in that regard, I surely would appreciate it! I need it to provide for myself.

          God bless!

        • David Kaus

          Hello Ed K that was a nice reply on Bible versions. There are a few things to keep in mind though about this issue.

          The first is that no Scripture is of any private interpretation. The 54 extremely gifted translators of the Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic texts in 1611 which brought forth the KJV went through a process of translation that took around seven years. Translations were gone over several times by different committees before any was accepted. And a final review of these committees was passed on to those selected for a final review. Even after that this translation was distributed to other scholars outside of the KJV authorized committee of 54 members for review.

          Second God tells us in His Word that He would preserve His Word: Psalm 119:89 For ever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven.

          And
          that it has been purified seven times: 6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.(Psalm 12:6-7, KJV)

          From these Scriptures we can see that God’s Word will be settled, and preserved, and purified so that there is no error in it, forever. We certainly would be in a sad case if there was error in God’s Word, and His Word was debatable, or up to one’s opinion.

          So what is the case with all the revisions ? All revisions are just that, bibles that have revised the KJV. In some cases Roman Catholic priest were on the board of revision, like Carlo Martini with the NIV. That of course really causes any one to question the nature of that revision, and its purpose.

          In addition the source of these revised bibles comes from the Vaticanus, and Sinaiticus Roman Catholic text that come out of Alexandria, Egypt where gnostic heresy was prevalent. The source text for the KJV came out of Antioch the center of N.T. activity in apostolic times, and Greek texts not corrupted by the Gnostic Alexandrians.

          Around 1850 two Roman Catholic sympathizers names Westcott and Hort said that they were going to revised the KJV only to take out the archaic words. They lied, and switched to the corrupt Roman Catholic texts mentioned above. These texts disagree with each other over 800 times, and numerous other times with the origonal texts.

          Please take notice that the corrupted revised bibles are now endorsed by Roman Catholicism because they know that these bibles use their Vaticaus, and Sinaiticus texts. However in every case the Roman Catholic church still rejects the KJV. They have always opposed God’s infallible Word.

          In the revised bibles, verses are taken out, and words are added and deleted. God strictly forbids this to be done and places a curse on those who knowingly do it.

          During the time that Westcott and Hort brought forth their corrupted translation, an event was going on called the Oxford movement. Catholic infiltrators of Protestantism, like Westcott and Hort, were trying to bring people out of the Reformed Protestant faith and back into the Catholic Church. It’s is much like what is going on now in the apostate Protestant church and its unity with Rome, and popery. All sound doctrine is being forsaken for this so called “unity in love.”

          Some times I hear the argument that the revised bibles have to be OK because people are being saved who use and hear it being used in pulpits. Simply put God is not looking at what bible translation that is being used when a person is being preached Jesus Christ and the forgiveness of sins. Nor could He expect some one who is not yet saved to know the difference between corrupt translations, and the KJV. What God is looking for is a broken and contrite heart that comes to faith in the work of Jesus Christ alone for salvation through the preaching of the Gospel.

          A carefully study of this issue between the KJV and the corrupted revisions will reveal that the name, deity, and prophecies of Jesus Christ are being subtly,and systemically deleted. And that people are being tainted with leaven to reject Jesus Christ and accept anti Christ. Hence the popularity of the revised bibles, and the rejection of the KJV by the Whore assembly of Babylon under popery and Roman Catholicism. Of course not all people who use these corrupted revisions know or understand this so I’m not condemning all people who use the revisions.

          In the KJV, Lucifer is called the son of the morning, a created being.
          Isaiah 14:12-17King James Version (KJV)

          12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

          In the NIV it states:

          Isaiah 14:12-14New International Version (NIV

          Notice the difference. Lucifer is called the morning star in the NIV
          How you have fallen from heaven morning star, son of the dawn!
          So now let’s go to the book of Revelation to see who it is in the NIV, that it refers to as the morning star that has fallen from heaven !

          Revelation 22:16 NIV 16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

          Ooops we have a big problem here. Using the NIV and comparing Scripture with Scripture in it, we find that it is stating the the morning star has fallen from heaven, and that morning star in Revelation 22:16 in the NIV is identified as Jesus Christ. So let me ask you, was it Jesus Christ who fell from heaven, or Lucifer ???

          As I stated previously the subtly changes, and not so subtle changes in the revised bibles are leading people to reject Jesus Christ, and accept anti Christ when he comes on the scene. The NIV is one of the most corrupt of the revised bibles.

          The Scriptural admonition can not be avoided that states that a little leaven, leaveneth the whole lump.

          There is so much more on this topic, I have only scratched the surface. The revisions have thousands of changes to them, and they all were stepping stones to further revisions that are incredibly corrupt.

          • Skywatcher

            Well done, David Kaus! You’re correct when you stated you merely “scratched the surface”! I have 32 typewritten pages of these corruptions; books have been published showing the errors, additions, omissions, etc..

            To add to what you’ve said, Westcott and Hort were homosexual/lesbian, and Mdme. Blavatsky, who was also a part of the “team” was a satanist. They all had their agenda to push in these modern messes, which is exactly as you stated.

            Thanks, for your input on this matter.

          • sharon

            A very nice research David..(beautiful name also)

            Yes, I have been waiting for this verse.

            I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star…..clearly this is Christ

            New King James Versions use “Lucifer, son of the morning” IN PLACE OF “Day Star, son of Dawn.”….. Clearly this is satan..once called Lucifer when He was a bright angel and one of God.

            “How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn!”
            …clearly this is satan as, if you read further in revelations, the chief Archangel Michael meaning ‘who is like God’ is in battle and satan is cast to the earth..falls from heaven.

            AND YET, here is KJV of 2 Peter 1:19
            “We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the ‘day dawn’, and the ‘day star’ arise in your hearts:”

            I don’t believe there is much confusion there as it is explained who is being spoken of. The context of the verses tend to show this.
            Both Jesus and satan are also called ‘lions’ in the Scripts but we also know who is being spoken of.

            This is where ‘reading in the Spirit’ comes in and again..this is where one leans on the Lord for interpretation and He will not guide incorrectly. I remember asking about this very verse and have had this verse in my head since speaking on this site so I ‘knew’ it was coming. I did ask the Lord why it was so similar when I first read it many years ago and He gave the answer on ‘who was who’ and I accepted that..hence knowing who was being spoken about. Didn’t have to research..just asked.

            Thankyou for your trouble David.

  • sharon

    If you read my comment correctly and not worry about trying to ‘prove me wrong’ I said that ‘I lean MORE on the Lord than the Word’ ..as the LORD IS the Word!!!

    • David Kaus

      Hello Sharon, I left a reply to Ed K on bible versions you may be interested in.

  • Donna M.

    I am quite surprised at the plethora of comments on this, especially those in defense of Copeland et al. IF, as a follower of Jesus Christ only, without adding theology, debate over who is correct/not correct about rightly dividing God’s Word, heading off into completely different topics, etc…… you can honestly believe that these men are truly “men of God,” I truly do not know how you could be in your right mind? I do not say that in a mean way! I just have to think of Jesus as our example, regardless of what the situation or issue is. I CANNOT picture Jesus being born in a lovely home of that time, with a beautiful room, and servants, kings, etc. all hovering over him in all His “finery.” I cannot imagine Jesus as He entered the city before His crucifixtion, riding in a large and beautiful chariot, because He needed to get there more quickly in order to save the masses. Of course he would have to have a private chariot driver so He could “prepare” what He was going to be speaking and teaching prior to arrival. SERIOUSLY? Everything Jesus did in His 33 years was in HUMILITY. Born in a stable, rode on donkeys or walked. Etc. Do these “men of God” think that God is incapable of sending ministers, teachers, ordinary people, to reach the lost in the cities to which they believe they must FLY in their JETS so they can “win souls?” Even if they do, does that also mean they require million-dollar mansions to live in also? I DO NOT BELIEVE IT. I DO NOT BELIEVE GOD WOULD “CALL” men to do such a thing. Rather, He said, “And again I say unto you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.” (Matth. 19:24) He also said of the rich young man in Matthew, Mark and Luke, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God, which leads me to believe our DESIRE in this world should not be material things; it should be JESUS. IF Jesus blesses you with wealth, because You are a good steward, that’s different. BECAUSE you are a good steward! How can someone living in millions of dollars worth of wealth, with private plances, etc., be a GOOD STEWARD? The two contradict each other.

    Add to the debacle of their greed for wealth, their absolute sickening and outrageous “spirit-filled” laughing, barking, rolling, shouting, etc. – I DO NOT BELIEVE JESUS WOULD BE FOUND EVER, EVER, EVER, DOING SUCH A THING! NEVER. They make fools of themselves, and a mockery of our Savior. However, I am not their judge. Jesus is. He will have the last word.

    Just putting in my two (or less) cents worth; it’s what I believe. I won’t respond to (argue with) comments. I just think everyone needs to honestly examine in their own hearts, whether Jesus would ever do or participate in things such as these.

    Maranatha!

    • suez

      Amen Donna, very well stated!

    • Skywatcher

      I agree, Donna! Well said!

    • sharon

      That is right about the Lord. He was not poor as such and we know this by the statement of judas..ie..’not to waste the anointing oil on Him as it could have been given to the poor’. The Lord then said that ‘the poor will always be with you..but I won’t’. So He has placed Himself outside of being poor…But in saying that, He was also not happy with those ‘being rich’..although He has said that He makes the rich and the poor (for His own purposes). I believe the statement where the Lord has said He will make sure we have everything we need says it all as far as how He would like us to live..just comfortably with the things we require and not just piling up all that rusts.

    • sharon

      A point you also brought up about the ‘rich having trouble entering the Kingdom’ also applies to more than just our living day to day. There is a Time upon us now when all will have to make the decision of ‘taking the mark’ or not. People will not be able to buy or sell without it which means, once again, Jesus will ask that question..’can you leave it all and follow Me’?? That is the decision that will have to be made..and not unlike the rich man who told Jesus that he couldn’t, there will be many in this Time that won’t be able to bare giving up all their wealth and material goods. God has already prepared us..made it easier by having us humble to start with. How much easier for those that don’t have riches to give up the little that they have. What an amazing God You are Lord!!! My beloved and my Friend!!!

  • sharon

    Spiritual Warfare..The dark Flood..

    My soul is disturbed..
    as one sat down beside me.
    An angel..
    but not one of You Lord.
    How my soul cringed..repelled,
    merely by its presence.
    He smiled..
    a smile that told me..he knew!
    Lord, are You teaching?
    There is already discernment.

    They have found me!
    The dark ones that wish me harm.
    Lord..take him away..as my soul is repulsed!
    Dreaded thoughts wash over me
    Lord, You speak to me in the early morning
    and tell me of the day..
    My mind already knows what is to be..yet
    will not reveal…
    Knowledge beyond knowledge You give..
    and my memories are of things yet to happen..
    a feeling of terrible dread.

    The Time draws near
    Oh, this is but one of the dark ones..
    yet there be many
    I hear the flood..it comes.

    Oh my Lord..do not let go…do not!

    How they tried to destroy my faith
    when You awoke me..
    To break the Bond..they tried..
    but Your words were strong and my faith solid,
    so as to draw me up to You.

    Already it starts..
    Words that pierce me.
    You know my heart..
    although I think my fear is hidden,
    I know better.
    You know my fear..
    that this evil plays tricks..
    and I be lost to You.
    Fear is his food..
    his words are drawn swords..
    smooth that they are.
    My love for You is what he despises!

    It is night.
    Oh how his torturous words pierce me.
    The evil one persecutes..
    accuses me with his words of grey..
    that extend into a labyrinth of battles.
    How cunning are his words of deceit
    How close these words are to Yours Lord..
    a pin could fit between.
    I know not, at times, who is speaking
    I am fighting that which I cannot see
    If I listen to words that are not Yours…
    words that hurt me..
    cause me to struggle from the darkness,
    oh…how I feel the fury of Your Jealousy..
    through my very bones!
    How I want him to stop..
    but his mocking words keep coming.
    Sleep is no relief..as it continues even then.
    There will be no peace until the day breaks
    Your Words are in me..
    I cannot still my passion..
    and You have prepared me for battle.

    Oh that I could sing..once again..
    my hearts song

    The battles in my head..so fierce..
    that death be sweet.
    Night after night..hour after hour..it continues
    Daytime? …a strange place.
    Does no one else see? Does no one else hear?
    Does any one even know this exists?
    I am silent of this to those that speak to me..
    A strained smile I hide behind.
    Who would I tell? What would I say?

    The Lord has hedged me to Himself.
    He will deal with those that afflict me.

    In the Spirit it is done.

    Chapter 29: Verse 7And the multitude of all the nations that war against Ariel, even all that war against her, and the bulwarks about her, and they that distress her, shall be as a dream, a vision of the night.

    Song of songs…

    6..Set me as a seal upon your heart,
    As a seal upon your arm;
    For love is as strong as death,
    Jealousy as cruel as the grave; [a]
    Its flames are flames of fire,
    A most vehement[b] flame.

    7..Many waters cannot quench love,
    Nor can the floods drown it.
    If a man would give for love
    All the wealth of his house,
    It would be utterly despised.

    Sharon Maree

  • sharon

    Are you Rich or are you Poor??

    Yes…I look around..and There is a lot I see
    Many people living in a state of luxury
    ‘Luxury? ‘ they say..’but alas..we are poor’
    Complaining about this and that and..’now we need more’

    Let us take the pharaohs..and the kings in ancient past
    They had less comforts then..than in this century last
    A feather was used to fan them..servants so very near
    Today..press a button..cool air is instant here.

    The ‘help’..they were there..worked hard to make their food
    Preparing what is pleasing to their taste and to their mood
    Today it is the same..but they just sit and only ring
    Then someone rushes over..to the door their food they bring.

    Not many need to labour..to grow their food today
    They just have to walk right in..and the food all on display
    But again You had it written..You had already seen and known
    in an earthly sense this means..’you will reap what others have sown’.

    Do they even realise what riches they have today
    Do they sit and thank You..even take the Time to say?
    Do they know trust in their riches..happiness this won’t bring
    I’ve seen some happier people..that do hardly have a thing.

    Psalms 49: 16 Do not be overawed when a man grows rich, when the splendour of his house increases; 17 for he will take nothing with him when he dies, his splendour will not descend with him.18 Though while he lived he counted himself blessed- and men praise you when you prosper- 19 he will join the generation of his fathers, who will never see the light of life.20 A man who has riches WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING is like the beasts that perish.

    Sharon Maree

    • Skywatcher

      That is a very nice poem, Sharon! Well thought out, and very fitting for today! Thanks, for sharing it. You don’t mind if I save it, do you?

      • sharon

        Do not mind at all 🙂 as it is from the Lord.

      • MRH

        Her other poem is good too 🙂

        P.S. I’m not a poet myself 🙁

        • sharon

          Either was I..LOL and thankyou.

          • MRH

            I just don’t think in poetic terms, and so God doesn’t do poem stuff with me. But he does instruct me to create videos and websites, and as well engage in debates.. LOL Well we each have our calling according to our skills 🙂

            P.S. It is my impression that this place is mostly a den of wolves NOT sheep. Also YouTube, Facebook, and other venues. But to be expected as we live in dark times where lies and hatred dominate. I’m persecuted daily myself 🙁

        • sharon

          I understand that..can’t suppress the Spirit. I asked the Lord to help me write down all that He was showing me as I tend to use a lot of words to explain myself. The words just come through and I wrote them..in not so many words as I speak. So hard to write down the higher understanding as the mind goes so fast and to so many areas at once..so hard to even put it into human understanding..but He did. All praise to Him.

          The research you do help many in their journey.

          • MRH

            @ sharon: The words I write and such are holy inspired 😉

            P.S. Wordage should be reader friendly, or will be lost 😉

    • MRH

      @ sharon: I lost my job back in 2011. Presently surviving on varied gifts 🙂

      P.S. Money and power corrupts the ego! Example: Ancient and modern leaders 😉

  • Brad

    So what’s the answer to King Saul….the richest man in history. Many people don’t know about when Copeland sowed a million$ a month to Smith Wigelsworth funding one of the biggest healing movements to date that we know of.

    • MRH

      @ Brad: Kenneth Copeland is a 33′ Freemason 😉

      P.S. Most leaders are involved in secret societies.

      http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/33rd.htm

    • Am I a dog’s head?

      Copeland was 11 years old when SW died so how could he have funded his ministry? Also you have Saul confused with Solomon.

  • MRH

    @ BETH: Unfortunately Satan can mimic Gods gifts including; revelation, healings, miracles, tongues, interpretation, etc. He even mimics the gift of holy spirit, however his seed is unholy spirit. The latter is blaspemy of the Spirit. As for you salvation concerns, the fact that you have fears of hell, indicates you are already saved. An unbeliever has no such fears as they believe it’s all myth. Consider below scripture 😉

    1Co 2:14 KJV – But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

    WARNING! Satan has a grip on you and is thus causing you to fear for your salvation 🙁 You need to ask God to deliver you from Satan’s grasp 🙂

  • MRH

    @ sharon: Contrary to popular opinion, magic still prevails today, only under a different guise. Modern magicians lie about their craft to conceal dark truths. They claim tricks or illusions, when it’s actually wizardry they often perform. And one can tell the real magic from the fake magic by researching things. Of course the magicians mix things up to fool their audience. It’s a major racket just like with the media industries. The truth is there are spirits behind things almost everywhere in WONDERLAND! Exposing Demon Magician = https://youtu.be/qutrcNxd-18

    I guarantee that all the world leaders are nothing but cloaked demons wearing halos. It’s quite evident in their phony characters and deceptive actions 😉

    Yes Jesus was in a very different form after his resurrection, an angelic form that is. Just as will we be in our resurrection 🙂

    P.S. In the resurrection our earthly bodies remain behind in whatever state we left them in. So then where does our resurrection occur? I would think at the point where we died or were alive at Christ’s return? God keeps a record of such things in his eternal database 😉

    • sharon

      Jesus was not quite in His angelic form. Mary thought He was someone else..the gardener. She did not see Him in angelic form. The two men saw Him just as another person but not as Jesus, the Man they knew. They did not recognise Him but did not see Him as an angel either..just ‘someone’ walking beside them. ‘Hosting’. I may be getting into a Divine area here that is too far ahead. I will cease this subject for now.

      • MRH

        @ sharon: Well do not angels appear as men throughout scripture? Also scripture states the following 😉

        1Co 15:42-45 KJV – So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

        The problem is that God is a spirit, and so the whole creation is of divine form. In fact science can prove such easily, with a simple microscope test. Also there is scripture unto things. (I used NIV below as better wordage than KJV) 😉

        Heb 11:3 NIV – By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

        P.S. After the fall of man, the whole universe corrupted and death prevailed. The new universe will restore things as they should be 😀

    • sharon

      Don’t forget technology also. A lot of ‘so-called’ magic is just very advanced technology. Not unlike the ‘stargate movie’ where he lit the lighter and all the simple, humble people thought of it as magic. Today we have technology that , if we clap our hands, the lights come on or the curtains open. Only small feats but to an ancient people, would be classed as sorcery or magic..or even Miracles!!

      In Ezekiel, it is written
      17Whenever they moved, they moved in any of their four directions without turning as they moved. 18As for their rims they were lofty and awesome, and the rims of all four of them were full of eyes round about. 19Whenever the living beings moved, the wheels moved with them. And whenever the living beings rose from the earth, the wheels rose also.…

      These people had never seen a light bulb..they had fire on a stick, so the ‘eyes flashing all around’ make more sense to us in this Time frame.

      Evan in Enoch, he tries to explain what he was being shown and is actually told the name of what it was…can you believe the word from the ancient text is ‘refrigeration!!

      Enoch: 1 They brought before my face the elders and rulers of the stellar orders, and showed me two hundred angels, who rule the stars and (their) services to the heavens, and fly with their wings and come round all those who sail.
      Enoch: the spirit of snow ceases in its strength, and a solitary spirit is in it, which ascends from it like vapour, and is called refrigeration.

      The spirit also of mist dwells with them in their receptacle; but it has a receptacle to itself; for its progress is in splendour,
      is called refrigeration.
      In light, and in darkness, in winter and in summer. It receptacle is bright, and an angel is in it.

      Sooooo much to learn and understand but the Lord said that His mysteries will be revealed. I had a type of grieving in my soul when the mysteries were explained to me..the taking away of all the mystery that had surrounded me since childhood, but the grieving is just for a moment, then the Lord shows things that are too awesome to behold at times.

      ‘He will be called Wonderful…’ You are Wonderful Lord.

      • MRH

        @ sharon: Yes technology can be a factor. However having witnessed wizardry in person, I don’t think technology is much involved in magic shows. Except the more elaborate props used for varied acts. Things the ancient wizards didn’t have. Also ancients didn’t hide their craft behind false titles. They didn’t need to as magic was acceptable then. Today it’s not, so the magicians conceal to protect their careers. And of course the spirits also prefer secrecy. That’s what the occult is all about. Consider following scripture 😉

        Isa 29:15-16 NIV – Woe to those who go to great depths to hide their plans from the LORD, who do their work in darkness and think, “Who sees us? Who will know?” You turn things upside down, as if the potter were thought to be like the clay! Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, “You did not make me”? Can the pot say to the potter, “You know nothing”?

        P.S. Isn’t it ironic how the ‘upside down’ effect actually reveals sinister things? https://youtu.be/K9irdmYuRhE

      • Skywatcher

        Sharon, in response to your statement, “Enoch: 1 They brought before my face the elders and rulers of the stellar orders, and showed me two hundred angels, who rule the stars and (their) services to the heavens, and fly with their wings and come round all those who sail.
        Enoch: the spirit of snow ceases in its strength, and a solitary spirit is in it, which ascends from it like vapour, and is called refrigeration.”

        Can you give a page number and / or chapter or some other “landmark” so I may find it in my cope, where it refers to “refrigeration”, please?

        • sharon

          There are many places. I have one in particular but here is one that I just copied so you could see this in it’s position in the Books..

          http://book-ofenoch.com/chapter-59/

          • Skywatcher

            Thank you, Sharon.

  • George Washington

    Have you noticed that you spiritually dead Baptists are always attacking other denominations, preachers and religions when the Holy Spirit isn’t even indwelling in you (Romans 8:5-14)?…You are as spiritually dead as the Catholics.

    • spyder777

      Yeah, and as they attack others like Copeland and Duplantis, they can’t help but fight among themselves. Funny that one guy played the “pearls before swine” card. These critics should actually listen to Jesse’s entire teaching on Amos 6:1, “Cruise Control” great message.

  • sharon

    But isn’t that what you are doing right now..regardless of whether you are right or wrong?? 🙂

  • Suez

    ABOUT the Angels mating with Women thing: With all due respect, for those I disagree with, just my humble opinion, but I see it differently than you. I read in my Bible that is says: According to the word, God NEVER called the angels his son, or Sons. If you can show me differently, please do. I am open! Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
    {{{Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
    Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
    Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
    He said which of the Angels said he at ANYTIME, thou art my son! That means he didn’t! Not at anytime! The word says it, not me! We must always go by the word, not Tom Horn and his bunch! They in them self’s are false teachers, always promoting the angels mated with woman trash! Angels according to the WORD are ministering spirits! Spirits don’t have blood, NO DNA, without blood and DNA you CANNOT re-produce! It is impossible! So the sons of God in Gen. are someone else, not angels! I am still studying and praying about all of this, I don’t have it altogether, but this much I do know. Angels DID NOT mate with women, and they were NEVER called Gods sons! At least according to my King James Bible anyway. I know this may open up a keg of worms, and I’m not going to argue with anyone about it. I gave the word, if that isn’t good enough, then believe what you wish. While studying and praying the Lord led me to that scripture. It answered a whole lot to me! Thanks

  • David Kaus

    Below is a very good video that once again should serve as a warning to those trapped in the demonic delusion of ecstatic tongues. Lying signs and wonders are a sign of the end time, last days apostate Whore Church, the anti Christ, and false prophet. The leaven of ecstatic tongues has led to only more mysticism in those who profess to be Christians, and a carnal lust for “experiences” above the objective Word of God, all of which is laying the ground work for the arrival of anti Christ.

    Even from the time of Moses the devil was counterfeiting miracles. It must be also noted that what happened at Pentecost was descriptive of that time in Church history not prescriptive.

    Witches have often infiltrated Pentecostal/Charismatic churches even speaking in a real language that no one in the Church could understand, and giving out a blasphemous statement about Jesus Christ to which all of the beguiled people in the church started praising God for shouting Hallelujah, for “the manifestation of the spirit.”

    Witches know of the delusion the people in these churches that babble in ecstatic tongues are under, and come in with the expressed purpose to mock these deluded people in the manner described above.

    Of course some Pentecostal rose up with some fabricated “interpretation” of the tongues utterance which further exposes it as a sham, and brought nothing but laughter from the witches gathered there to mock a bunch of deluded people, and Jesus Christ.

    Obviously The Holy Spirit has no part in any of this. The gift of Tongues in the early Church were real languages that spoke of the wonderful works of God. They also had to be interpreted in the Church, and were for unbelievers, not believers.

    Today Pentecostals/Charismatics try to tell other Christians who denounce the sham of ecstatic tongues that they do not have the Holy Spirit because they do not manifest ecstatic tongues. which they claim is a post salvation experience. Knowingly or not these false accusers have separated the Work of Jesus Christ on Calvary from the Work of regeneration for all who believe on Jesus Christ’s Blood Atonement and death on Calvary’s cross. This of course is impossible.

    In addition Scripture tells us clearly that not all spoke in tongues even in apostolic times. And in addition that gift of God was given by The Holy Spirit to whom He willed to give it. Pentecostals/Charismatics tell others that they must seek after this ecstatic tongues experience for themselves, and that all must have it.

    In addition the testimony of these Pentecostal/Charismatic ecstatic tongues speakers is that they claimed to be Christians before they got this “second blessing” as they call it and were baptised by The Holy Spirit. But what does Scripture say ??? All that have not the Spirit of Jesus Christ, The Holy Spirit, are none of His. In other words the Pentecostals/Charismatics testify out of their own mouth that their profession of being a Christian before there got their “second blessing” was false.

    The fact that in Roman Catholics both priest, nuns, and laity are also manifesting ecstatic tongues, along with apostate people who profess to be Christians like Copeland, and Hagin, and that this vehicle is a major tool in the formation of the Whore Church is clear evidence that it certainly is not coming from God.

  • Litmus Test

    Geoffrey, I would like to know why some comments can be replied to and others can’t be, i.e. Beth’s comment. Only one person got to reply, to give her any kind of assistance. The poor soul is in desperate need of help! Why is this?

  • sharon

    In The Twinkle Of An Eye… (Excerpt)

    You have taken me to a place..
    one that I see clearly
    one that I have seen in a ‘dream’.
    I am with someone
    I see him..a child..my friend
    I am there..yet I do not see my form
    How young I am
    How strange this is Lord.
    My friend is smiling
    such contentment in his smile
    Looking through a window..
    bidding me to come see.
    I look..
    there is a golden urn that sits
    on the table
    a table of such richness.
    There are no spoken words..
    yet all is said
    A presence behind the urn
    one which the human eye cannot see
    A presence without threat
    yet knowledge be there
    Who is there Lord?
    Why can I not see anyone?
    Who is this?

    The urn beckons again.
    So many questions are in my head.
    The answers are coming from the presence
    They are coming as fast as my questions now..
    until all speech is blended
    Questions and answers all together until
    there is no effort..just answers.

    The contents of the urn revealed
    Yet it is sealed…
    sealed until its appointed Time..and purpose
    I will keep this hidden in my heart..Lord..
    the contents of that which is Precious..
    until its Time.

    I am older now..
    but still without form.
    I am in a room
    Looks like that of a palace
    Rich curtains that sweep over the windows
    A room fit for a king..yet empty..
    all but a table and a beautiful gold urn.
    There is a window on the other
    side of the table.
    Lord..this is the same table and urn..
    and that window..
    the one that I have looked through?
    Time has changed!
    Yes it has..
    but it is the same somehow.

    Your Answer came.

    Lord..I am the presence that spoke of the urn?
    I am the one I could not see?
    There are two Time frames..
    yet there is one?
    I am in both..yet..at once?

    This is but a taste..
    Lord..can my mind bare?

    Psalms 90: 4
    ‘For a thousand years in Your sight are like a day that has just gone by or like a watch in the night’

    ‘With the Lord a day can be a thousand years and a thousand years a day’

    Jer 33: 3
    ‘Call out to Me and I will show you great and UNSEARCHABLE things that you do not know’

    Sharon Maree

  • Suez

    @ SHARON. You stated to me: “A suez..I am sorry that you are finding it hard to adjust to new information that the Word releases.” I say, REALLY?? I find that statement quite offensive! You really need to get over yourself Sharon, and stop trying to be everyone’s holy spirit, everyone’s spiritual guide so to speak. I am led by the Holy Spirit. If I pray for HIS truth, and HIS wisdom, he says he will guide me and lead me into ALL truth! I really don’t need your help, nor your put downs! Thanks anyway. I don’t mean to be abrupt, but it really turns me off when people make blanket statements about people they don’t know, let alone know nothing about, and judge them like they have known them for years. like your everyone’s spiritual leader or something. If you would of just came back with the way you see things according to the word, then maybe I would be more inclined to listen to you. But since you have to come back with a offensive statement, a big put down, that tells me a lot about you. And I don’t think it would not be to my advantage to listen to anything you have to say from now on, as you think you are VERY Superior, and have come across that way to many on here. I gave you scripture that was said, God NEVER called his angels sons! Yet you can’t see it, and you completely ignored it! Well then you are saying God lies??? To the person with simple common scene, if God said through is apostle that He never called the angels sons, then there has to be another answer for the verses when it talks about sons of God, like in Gen. Oh, and yes, I have read those verses many, many times. You must be shocked at that, right? It certainly cannot be angels, or that makes God a liar! I am seeking God on what that answer is. I have some hints, but nothing concrete as of yet. I am humbly seeking the Almighty for his Wisdom and Knowledge in this matter. But this I do know for a fact, by the word, it is NOT angels!!!!! Your perfectly welcome to believe as you wish, but please don’t make statements about me, as you know nothing about me, or anyone here for that matter! The Lord has been with me and guided me for 42 years, and I don’t need any man or woman,,,to “help me understand mysteries.” If he wants me to know things, he certainly tells me, and can tell me quite easily. You may be surprised at what I do know! But, of coarse, you can’t get over yourself and all Your wisdom to care. AND at Skywatcher, shame on you, I thought you were more mature, than your statement about me to the Sharon!!!

  • sharon

    I apologise if I came across that way and you have been offended. I believe it is not me that is actually making you so angry, but something I have said that has hit a nerve with you. There is something deeper that needs to be dealt with, whether you know what it is or not. No, I am not a therapist (before your anger accuses me of trying to be one)but I do pray that you surrender to the Lord whatever it is that has you so bound up. I do really hope that He releases you from it. I will restrain from answering you if I upset you so much. Just remember, everything happens for a reason and the Lord knows I am here on this site.

    • Suez

      Sharon, your pride and arrogance continues to amaze me. You apologize then continue with another bashing…LOL NO there is nothing in what you wrote that upset me, other than the: “A suez..I am sorry that you are finding it hard to adjust to new information that the Word releases.” That is it. That alone is what upset me. I have heard all the rest before. That is old hat. I have had discussions with several people over the angels/women thing, so no that doesn’t bother me at all. Once again you continue with your judgement… You continued with your second response with…”something I have said that has hit a nerve with you. There is something deeper that needs to be dealt with, whether you know what it is or not. No, I am not a therapist (before your anger accuses me of trying to be one)but I do pray that you surrender to the Lord whatever it is that has you so bound up” {{{This is the kind of thing that is upsetting to me. Your pride and arrogance. Your so full of it it is pathetic. You came on here like a whirlwind, correcting everyone you talked with. The big spiritual leader that everyone should listen to… Once again, who made you the Holy Spirit??? I know what you are, even if no one else recognizes it! 🙁 May the Lord God help you! I’m done.

      • sharon

        “A suez..I am sorry that you are finding it hard to adjust to new information that the Word releases.”

        I said that only because I remembered that is how I was when a lot of God’s mysteries were revealed to me..it was no ‘arrogant’ remark, only one made through what the knowledge did to me.

        As far as arrogance?? ‘judge and ye shall be judged’. Just read your comment and personal attacks again.

        As I said, I will now restrain from any correspondence with you.

        May the Lord correct you.

        • Dianne

          He that hath knowledge spareth his words: and a man of understanding is of an excellent spirit. Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding. Proverbs 17:27-28

          • sharon

            That is Truth..but when the Spirit moves you, who can suppress their Words??

        • DianNe

          Sharon, you need to reread Proverbs 17:27-28. When the WORD OF GOD SPEAKS, there should be NO MORE BUTS. Your flesh is determined to HAVE THE LAST SAY.

          • sharon

            There is no NEED..

            Still..

            Understanding..
            how it renders one still
            To see the famine brought upon some
            To be asked..’Isn’t that terrible? ‘
            Only..I know it is done according to Your Word
            ‘What kind of a God would allow this? ‘..they ask..
            Rendering me still..
            as they speak of You with no understanding..
            they see not Your ways
            My soul feels the urge to defend You..cast down their words
            Yet my heart knows that their words are from a pained heart..
            a pain lacking Divine understanding
            Rendering me still
            It is written..Your Will..to send famine
            You have shown my very eyes the reasons..
            and my heart stands by You with understanding..
            Rendering me still

            Few are the words of those with understanding
            slow they are to judge..
            Rendering the soul still..

            Sharon Maree

            But I will say thai again…
            When the Spirit/Lord moves you..who can still their tongue.

        • Dianne

          Sharon your LONG reply proves me “right as rain” concerning your inability to stop having the LAST WORD. interesting how you don’t allow for a direct response to your “mystical tirade” masquerading as from the HOLY SPIRIT.

          You previously stated and I quote you: ” When I awoke to the Lord, I stopped going to church as I could ‘see’ all the ‘human laws’ that were in place and how they had kept me ‘grounded’.

          NOW HEAR THE WORD OF THE LORD CONCERNING THIS AND OBEY. ANYTHING ELSE IS THE SIN OF REBELLION.

          Let us NOT give up meeting together, as some are in the HABIT of doing, but let us encourage one another-and all the more as you see the Day approaching.

          Acts 2:42 They devoted themselves to the apostles teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.

          Acts 9:31 Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee and Samaria enjoyed a time of peace. It was strengthened; and encouraged by the Holy Spirit, it grew in numbers, living in the fear of the Lord.

          Ephesians 4:11-12 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ.

          James 1:22 DO NOT MERELY LISTEN TO THE WORD, AND SO DECEIVE YOURSELVES. DO WHAT IT SAYS.
          Hebrews 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and SUBMIT yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that (is) unprofitable for you.

          Hebrews 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called Today; lest any of you be HARDENED through the DECEITFULNESS OF SIN.

          • sharon

            Quote…’you need to reread Proverbs 17:27-28. When the WORD OF GOD SPEAKS, there should be NO MORE BUTS. Your flesh is determined to HAVE THE LAST SAY’.

          • sharon

            Now I will repeat mine…Psalm 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.

  • Brandon

    A “tube filled with demons”. I guess he is calling me a demon because I fly commercial, and my last flight was to Kenya on a mission trip. I also don’t remember any of God’s anointed prophets living in luxury, Jesus definitely did not and He is the Son of God.

  • sharon

    Psalm 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.

  • sharon

    It has been suggested that I Am not speaking from the Holy Spirit..it has also been suggested that ‘I know exactly who you are’. I will leave this site with what the Lord has Given me to leave those who cast their stones…I pray that the Lord correct you..

    Matthew 12: 33 “Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree rotten and its fruit rotten, because a tree is known by its fruit. 34 You children of serpents! How can you say anything good when you are evil? The mouth speaks about what overflows from the heart. 35 A good person brings good things out of a good treasure house, and an evil person brings evil things out of an evil treasure house. 36 I tell you, on Judgment Day people will give an account for every thoughtless word they have uttered, 37 because by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”

    KJV
    33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
    34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
    35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
    36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
    37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

    • TorchbearerforJesus

      Sharon, it breaks my heart to see you feel as though people have been casting stones at you. This is NOT the case at all. You frustrate people with your arrogant attitude that you are right, and that you are speaking the Words of the Holy Spirit, or with His heart, while ignoring the wise counsel this same Holy Spirit has been leading others to share with you, because they truly care about you and all others.

      In all fairness, there are times when we ALL do that, and it’s not our desire to come across that way. A biblical principal that we’ve been trying to “reach you with” is that God will NEVER honor that which is NOT His Holy and inspired Word. You found fault with that. Several have tried to encourage you to look at the copious evidences that prove the counterfeit bibles to be just that, but you come back with accusatory statements, sprinkled with a little judgment upon them. You obviously HAVE NOT even glanced at the evidence, or you would be joining the ranks of those who strongly and rightly defend the KJV.

      That speaks great volumes about you; first of all, you have an unteachable spirit; you disrespect those who may possibly have a bit more insight than you do on such matters; you consider us as “dark” and worldly, in that we do not rest upon the Lord for our counsel and insight into His Word. Yet, you say you lean on Him and NOT the Word; the two are inseparable because they are one and the same, Jn. 1: 1, “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.” They have to be in complete agreement; these unholy bibles do NOT agree with Christ, His teachings, etc. They are anti-Christ, so the battle is not with you as an individual, but it is spiritual; the Light is trying to steer you out of the darkness and deception of these bibles and into total victory and harmony with the rest of the Body of Christ.

      You imply that we are “corrupt”, not trees producing “good fruit”, and yet, you refuse to take the plank out of your own eye. Hypocritical? You be the judge. If you feel convicted by these statements, you do well. If not, I wouldn’t want to be in your shoes.

      You write beautiful poems, but you distort the Scriptures. I’ve been following you and your “opponents” for quite some time, and it is true, you do want the last word, and what’s so bad about that is that you’re deceived into believing you are correct on all points, which clearly, the evidence denies.

      I don’t know how long you have been a Christian, assuming you are, but questionable, as the Holy Spirit should be steering you in the direction to look into the aforementioned evidences that clearly indict the counterfeit bibles as being satanic in their entirety. He should be STRONGLY convicting you at this point, if you are really born of Himself. If you are NOT born of the Spirit as Jesus says we must be in John 3: 5-7, then you will NOT be feeling this conviction. Plain and simple. You may merely be a church goer, who can recite the Scriptures quite well, but do not appropriate them in the same manner. I don’t know you personally, and I’m not one to throw stones; I’ve had enough thrown at me, and each and every one of them hurt. However, there are times when I have earned those stones; I’ve stepped out of line, and God has used them to bring me back into alignment with His Word and His will. Sometimes, what we see as “stones”, God sees as instruments of correction…and whom the Father loves, He chastens, Heb. 12.

      May I suggest, you stop beating yourself up and putting yourself out there for a further lickin’ by doing your homework; be a good Berean, and at least check out what people are so adamantly wanting you to see. You owe them and YOURSELF, and the LORD you love to quote, at least that much.

      Very good analogies have been given; great testimonies have been shared with you, as to when others had their eyes opened, yet you respond with hatred, disdain, and arrogance. I do not see much fruit of the Spirit in your replies. Does that bring glory to Christ? No. Does it cause hurt feelings, frustration, and discouragement in others? Perhaps. Does dissention and argumentation cause non-Christians reading your posts and attacks to want to come to accept Christ in their lives? Doubtful. Does that glorify Christ? Do we love you any less? NO!

      You may not have had so much time to delve into the meat of the Word as some of us have, but that doesn’t make you a bad person, or unsaved. What is a shame is that you will not heed sound doctrine or counsel. You obviously do not “Try the spirits”, for if you had, you’d be picking upon on the errors and inconsistencies in the counterfeit, “modern messes” as one has said, and not rejecting the Holy Spirit’s input to you through others. You wouldn’t need us to try to bolster you and to encourage you to “Seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness…” Mt. 6: 33. It definitely IS NOT in the corrupt versions that are floating about and corrupting our churches today, as this article proves has been done, and is still ongoing.

      Relax, take a deep breath, compare these bibles with the Holy Bible, and you’ll soon discover that we have been sharing with you out of hearts of love and very deep concern. You’re akin to the poor J.W. who has been told that they are serving an organization and not Jehovah; they don’t want to hear that, even though it is the absolute truth. They too, have been severely deceived, and yet, their “scriptures” come from the same rotten/corrupt/evil manuscripts as do the rest of the family of demonology books.

      In closing, let me encourage you by saying this, Jesus still loves you as much today as He did a month ago; that will never change. He wants you to know the truth, and the Truth WILL set you free. Lastly, we are excitedly and anxiously waiting on the sidelines, praying that you will give God the honor by looking into this extremely serious matter, and coming back to let us know what you have discovered! What a testimony you are going to have! God bless you, Sharon, with all peace, joy and an acute sense of God’s Presence in your life as you embark upon this very exciting and serious journey!

      • Dianne

        Dear TorchbearerforJesus,
        Your loving and truthful post is excellent and I commend you in the Lord . My heart was greatly blessed by reading it. Thank you for taking the time to write such a wonderful admonition. I hope and pray that Sharon will receive it as from the LORD and be restored. May the Lord Jesus continue to use you for HIS GLORY. Peace and blessings.

        PSALM 141:5 Let the righteous smite me; it shall be a kindness: and let him reprove me; it shall be an excellent oil, which shall not break my head: for yet my prayer also shall be in their calamities.

        Sincerely in Christ,
        Dianne

      • Suez

        TorchbearerforJesus. Amen, and well stated in love! I whole heartily agree.

    • MRH

      @ sharon: As Christians we are continually persecuted, and the worst persecutors are our own people 🙁

      Mar 6:4-6 KJV – But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house. And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.

      • Dianne

        MRH, Sharon is NOT A PROPHET and if you know the word of GOD so well as you as professed in your many posts you would KNOW that the WORD of God tells us in regards to church attendance.
        Hebrews 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another; and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. Obedience to the WORD OF GOD and submission to church leadership is a sign of humility and the fear of the Lord. Sharon stated that she left church when she “awoke to the Lord”.

        Furthermore Ephesians 4:11-12 outlines the 5 fold ministry and it’s function inside the church. And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some evangelist; and some, pastors and teachers;
        For the PERFECTING of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the EDIFYING of the body of Christ.

        Proverbs 15:31-33 The ears that heareth the reproof of life abideth among the wise.
        He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding.
        The fear of the Lord is the instruction of wisdom; and before honor is humility.

        • MRH

          @ Dianne: How do you know what her ministry is or isn’t? Can you read her mind? Also scripture does not require church attendance. In fact modern churches are hardly holy havens. Of course fellowship is important but not in polluted temples. I myself don’t belong to any church, though I do attend SDA churches now. Mainly for; songs, sermons, fellowship, and free food. But as for bible beliefs, mine are contrary to most folks beliefs. So be it 😉

          • Screaming Eagle

            MRH, you said, “Mainly for; songs, sermons, fellowship, and free food.” Well, can you please tell me what else there would be to go for?

            You also said, “Of course fellowship is important but not in polluted temples. I myself don’t belong to any church, though I do attend SDA churches now.”

            There’s an oxymoron if I’ve ever seen one! “SDA/polluted temples”…seeing that SDA is a cult, can you please explain the difference between the two? Ironic that you would be on a strict Bible-believing blogsite, trying to “minister” to others when you obviously do not have a good command of the Scriptures to begin with…if you’re listening to SDA sermons!

            You said, “But as for bible beliefs, mine are contrary to most folks beliefs.”

            Why is that? I’m a bit curious.

          • MRH

            @ Screaming Eagle: Most churches preach mixed doctrine. IOW no church is perfect, just as no Christian is perfect. So as for SDA, I’m not an official member (just a guest), as I don’t fully gel with them. But nor do I fully gel with Baptists either. Which means I don’t gel with NTEB in all points, but NTEB does offer end time knowledge to explore. And so I take what I want and leave the rest behind. Likewise with SDA game.

            So what church do I belong to you might ask? Simply put, the church of God.. body of Christ. Which is the only true church according to the bible. Religious institutions are not true churches. God doesn’t dwell in buildings. God dwells in the born again Christian. Amen?

            P.S. regarding ‘polluted temples’ it’s hard to explain, as all common churches are corrupt. As they all are rooted in the HRCC, and many are tied into the occult; Illuminati, Jesuits, Knights of Malta, etc.

          • Dianne

            @MRH: But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. James 1:22

          • MRH

            @ Dianne: So what’s your point?

            P.S. Religious doesn’t = holy 😉

          • Dianne

            @ MRH, you did not make it possible to respond to your current response, however you should NOT be fellowship at a SDA church. As I’m sure you have researched, they are a CULT.
            The HOLY SPIRIT wants you to walk in Holiness and Truth. Walking with those who reject Holy Scriptures will lead you into deception. Do not be self deceived into thinking that what you are doing is wise or profitable.

            Now I beseech you, brethren, MARK them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. Romans 16:17

        • tORCHBEARERFORcHRIST

          Dear Dianne,

          Your posts are phenomenal! You’re absolutely on target, and some of the poor wayward souls that you’re attempting to encourage (straighten out) are beyond in some areas of their theology. They don’t want to take instruction, as you’ve so wisely discerned, and it’s their loss. You’ve done a good job in your presentation; you’ve fought the good fight, and now, it’s time to take your peace and joy back! There’s no correcting them, and they’ll have to learn the hard way.

          Until then, YOU keep on being a blessing to many others who need to hear what you have to say, and let the others roll over in their muck and mire and believe they are correct.

          God’s Word is abundantly clear as to how important it is for people to gather together for worship, praise, and good Bible learning. It can happen in a house church, in a car, around a picnic table, etc. Wherever two or three are gathered in His name, He is in the midst! As for not assembling together, no live (burning) ember, having rolled away from the heat of the fire ever lasts long, nor is it very effective.

          So many of the churches these days are “the blind leading the blind” ~ NOT ALL of them are this way, mind you, but it’s getting more and more difficult to find a good church family who rightly divide the Word of God and LIVE IT!

          A word of encouragement to others reading here: if you’re attending a church that doesn’t practice what it preaches; uses counterfeit bibles, and conforms to the world…RUN! Run away from those people AS FAST AS YOU CAN!!! They will be the first to turn you in to the NWO thugs, and your ministry will either be ended or severely hindered! Like Saul of Tarsus, they will believe they are “doing God a service” by turning you in and having you executed. I believe God can get more use out of us while we are alive…therefore, we need to “be wise as serpents and gentle as doves”. Choose your battles wisely; avoid unnecessary confrontations.

          Hang in there, Dianne! Don’t get discouraged, because you’ve felt like you were talking to the southern end of a donkey; you were! Be encouraged, and persevere to share God’s love and grace to others, who are in desperate need of it! I’m learning (slowly), that time is too valuable to be wasting with those who have their heads stuck somewhere…where they can no longer hear, especially those repeat offenders who are regulars on here.

          I’m greatly encouraged and blessed by your posts; I admire your fortitude and resolve to stand up for the truth, no matter what! What’s even better than that, is that our Lord sees it, and He is greatly pleased with your wielding of His almighty sword of the Spirit! Keep up the great work! Reward Day is just over the next hilltop! I can imagine Him saying to you, “Well done, thou good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.” Mt. 25: 21 God richly bless you, Sis!

          • Dianne

            Dear TorchbearerforJesus,
            Your post to me has blessed me beyond words. Like apples of gold in a setting of silver. Proverbs 25:11
            Never have a received such a beautiful compliment as this. Your ability to comfort, exhort and admonish is TRULY a great ANOINTING FROM GOD working through you. I am very grateful. I send back many blessings to you, and may they be multiplied 100 fold in JESUS NAME AMEN!!!
            Love, peace, blessings and joy,
            Dianne

            The liberal soul shall be made fat: and he that watereth shall be watered also himself. Proverbs 11:25

          • Suez

            tORCHBEARERFORcHRIS A Big Amen! I agree with you, and Dianne! Thank you both for your truth and light! Sadly though, I am not in a Church building either. All the “churches in my area, are either in those perverted versions, word of faith teaching or New Age teaching. Literally all of them! I have prayed for years for the Lord to lead me to a good, fruit filled Word church, or even a body of believers in a home fellowship, with like spirit to mine, but nothing. 99.9 % are NOT in the King James version, or the preacher teaches out of it, but doesn’t require his “flock” to have it….talk about a spirit of confusion! So, where does one go if you don’t have anywhere to go? I try and come here for fellowship, but end up getting attacked, as Sharon did me. So, sigh, I am lonely and hungry for fellowship. The two best friends I had to study with both died in the last two years…:( The other one now attends a bible study, where the lady plays 7th day Adventist teachings EVERY week! I used to go there, but when she started that, I left, and haven’t went back. My good friend stayed, saying, well we all have different opinions??? Huh? Anyway, God bless you both! And thank you for your post. Sue

        • MRH

          @ Dianne: ALL modern churches are cults 🙁 The last semi-holy church ended with Paul 😉

          Luk 21:7-8 KJV – And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass? And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ [cults]; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

          Act 20:28-30 KJV – Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

          Enter DENOMINATIONS (40,000+), beginning with the HRCC 😯

          P.S. The bible alone holds the salvation and sanctification keys NOT attending varied churches 🙂

          Oh by the way, one local SDA church I attend states the same as my P.S. 🙂

          • Dianne

            @ MRH, I have attended CHURCH all of my life and it is not a CULT neither are many other full gospel churches. If you would take the time to diligently seek the LORD in prayer in leading you to the right one according to HIS WILL for your spiritual growth you will surely find one. God always answers a humble heart. Please read Psalm 51 All Modern churches are cults according to your perspective but this is not reality.I suppose your appetite leads you to error because of the free food. The desire to feed ones flesh over obedience could cause you to lose your inheritance, remember Esau and Jacob Genesis 25:29-34 I hope and pray that you will leave the SDA and find a balanced full gospel spirit lead church and learn to walk in obedience and submission to the inerrant word of GOD.

            Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth. 1 Corinthians 8:1
            Ever learning, and never able to come to the KNOWLEDGE of the TRUTH. 2 Timothy 3:7

            For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. 1 Samuel 15:23

          • TorchbearerforChrist

            MRH, you thoroughly disgust me with your over-generalizing of “all churches are cults”! You obviously have no idea what a cult is! Dianne and others have you well pegged! You ignore good sound Bible counsel by spreading your “patchwork” of doctrines that you’ve gathered here and there. You’re causing division, strife, and confusion. God will hold you accountable for this, no matter which side of the rapture you may find yourself! Find yourself a strong CHRISTIAN Bible-based church and pray that God undoes your brainwashing so you can “rightly divide the word of truth.”

          • MRH

            @ Dianne & TorchbearerforChrist: I’ve had enough experiences with church game, I’m no spring chicken you know 😉

            In fact my first actual church experience was Pentecostal, which was insane! Later were; fellowship (TWI), Baptist, Catholic, Lutheran, Presbyterian, etc. And ALL have corrupted doctrine! Whether regarding; trinity, baptism, salvation, prophecy, etc! None preach biblical truth in all points.. only in some ways.

            P.S. So far I experienced several Charismatics, and they were ALL swarming with demons.. I could sense them 🙁

            IMHO there is way too much extreme sway in modern churches; religious, secular. And one critical missing ingredient is LOVE (#1 commandment) 🙁

            Jhn 13:34-35 KJV – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

            Rev 2:1-5 KJV – Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name’s sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

          • Dianne

            @MRH, You have seriously misapplied the inerrant word of ALMIGHTY GOD. Wether you are a spring chicken, an old goat or a fresh daisy, you are still called to obey the word of God and walk in TRUTH. Leading by example is a mark of MATURITY. Complaining is a sign of immaturity and pride. One CANNOT lead others were they will not themselves go or do.

            Proverbs 18:12 Before destruction the heart of man is haughty, and before honour is humility.

            Mathew 7:1-5 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
            For what judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
            And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
            Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
            Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out
            of thy brother’s eye.

            1 Timothy 2:15 STUDY to show thyself APPROVED UNTO GOD, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of TRUTH.

  • TorchbearerforJesus

    OOPS! My handle is TorchbearerforJesus, but in my haste, I said, “Christ”. Also, didn’t realize I had my caps key locked on, so should be all capitals in this case. I apologize for any confusion this may have caused the viewing audience!

  • Char

    Suez, I’m so glad to read your comment and see that I’m NOT the only one that kind find a church that preaches/teaches the Bible and feeds me spiritually. I’ve been trying for about as long as you have and I thought maybe I should just go back to the local lukewarm church I was attending, but I just felt more fulfilled by watching certain TV services instead. Their bookstore pushes the NIV Study Guide Bible, so of course, the members have been buying it like it’s gold. I’m still searching, but doubt that I will find one who is on fire for the Lord (like they used to be).

    • Skywatcher

      Char, I’m in the same boat as you when it comes to finding a true Christian church. I started a home fellowship here, but we ran out of space and nobody else was willing to open their home for such! Imagine that!

      Online, the one that I REALLY enjoy to no end, is Dr. Adrian Rogers! He has gone home to Glory, but they still play his sermons and he used the KJV! Excellent Bible teacher/expositor! You’ll be blessed with encouragement, spiritual growth and maturity when you listen to him: http://www.lwf.org (Love Worth Finding Ministry). I find Dr. David Jeremiah to be one of the best on air these days. Yes, he uses the NKJV, but he also uses the KJV. However, his doctrine is still on target. I just follow along with my trusty KJV so there is no room for doctrinal error. Dr. Charles Stanley is another one worth listening to.

      God bless you, Sis! Soon, there won’t be any need for “church”; we’ll be HOME!

      • char

        Skywather, I do like Adrian Rodgers. I just watched him this morning, along with David Jeremiah and I like Jack VanImpe and also Robert Jeffress (Pathway to Victory). I just kinda miss the fellowship that I would have in a church, but I haven’t had that in a very long time (since I lived in Texas) and attended a Nazarene Church, but there aren’t any in this area anymore. I also watch Les Feldick daily for a good bible study. He’s a very good teacher. He’s also on youtube. Good luck in finding a good church. You’re right, we will soon not need to be looking for a good church. We will be HOME! Yippy Skippy! Can’t wait!

  • char

    MRH, since YOU know the bible so well, inside out and backwards, its strange that the Lord hasn’t called you to be a minister, but then, He wouldn’t know which religion to put you in since you find fault with ALL of them. Perhaps you should start your own new religion and see how many you can get to believe your garbage! You could call it “The Church of the Mixed up Mess of MRH”. Good luck with that and may God bless you and speak to you about your scrambled mess of beliefs.

    • Dianne

      Hello Char, I appreciate your witty remark. Lol, I got a great chuckle from it.
      I am praying for you and all others who have posted about finding a healthy and balanced full gospel church. Please do Not give up asking the Holy Spirit to guide you to the best one for such a time as this.

      The eyes of the Lord are upon the righteous,and his ears are open unto their cry.
      The righteous cry,and the LORD heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles. Psalms 34:15,17

      Peace and blessings,
      Dianne

      • Char

        Dianne, thank you for your reply. Yes, I am still praying for the Lord’s guidance for a Spirit filled church to attend, but sometimes get discouraged in not finding one in my area. I just keep watching my favorite TV ministers. God bless you and yours.

    • MRH

      @ char: How do you know God hasn’t called me unto ministry? Nowhere does scripture say that gift ministries are relegated to religious institutions. Rather in fact God hates religion and despises religious types! 🙁

      Mat 15:1-3, 7-9 KJV – Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? … Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

      WARNING! You have a ‘religious’ heart like unto your religious friends, but such attitude is not going to gain you any praise from God nor future rewards 🙁

      P.S. My ministry is here and there, wherever I’m needed to witness truth and correct error. I’m not here to follow the ‘tradition’ crowd (I’m not a YES man), nor would I have any desire to do such silliness 😉

      • Char

        May God bless you in ALL you do!

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  • Beenglazeyouknow

    Matthew 6:24 No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.

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