Does The King James Bible Reveal The Identity Of The Antichrist?

Here we have Judas in the act of betrayal, and it is a stunning example of why we only use the King James Bible. Jesus is talking about handing a "sop" to someone, and then dipping it in a dish.
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Soon, the Church will be raptured out of here and the world we leave behind will be given the modern-day name of Antichrist

“Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.” 1 John 2:18 (KJV)

The “last time” that John mentions has been going on for nearly 2,000 years now, and amazingly, it is getting ready to come to it’s final, prophetical conclusion. The Church Age, or the Age of Grace, is about to be done, and it will see it’s climax in an event called the Pretribulation Rapture of the Church. This event will usher in what the prophet Jeremiah saw and called to be the Time of Jacob’s Trouble. The Rapture of the Church is not the same event as the Second Coming of Jesus Christ for reasons previously mentioned here. The Apostle Paul, in 2 Thessalonians, gives us two very important clues on the timing of the Rapture, and, about the identity of the Antichrist.

The two things that must precede the Pretrib Rapture of the Church

“Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.” 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (KJV)

Now, before we go any further, make sure that you are checking these references using the Authorized Version King James 1611 Holy Bible. Because if you aren’t, you will not be able to make these connections. Nearly all the modern Bibles remove words and verses, thereby changing the meanings and rendering a proper conclusion impossible. I will show you exactly what I mean at the end of this teaching.

So look at what the Holy Spirit through Paul is saying here, two things need to happen right before the Rapture of the Church. One, there has to be a great falling away from the truth. You can check that off the list as that is happening right now. False teachers abound like never before, Bible doctrine is no longer preached, and the Church service has become indistinguishable from your average night at the club. Christianity has become a Laodicean “churchianity” and the sheep are dying from malnutrition. The second thing Paul mentions is that the man of sin, the Antichrist, must be revealed. Paul says that whoever he is, he is the son of perdition. Find him, and you find the Antichrist.

“Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;” Titus 2:13 (KJV)

As Christians, we are commanded to wait and look for the Glorious Appearing of the Lord Jesus Christ in the clouds to rapture us up and out of here, and so we do. No where in Scripture does it command Christians to look for the Antichrist. But God, in His amazing mercy towards us, wants us to have as much information as possible as we battle the world, the flesh and the Devil. We are not ignorant of the Enemy’s devices, and knowing Scripture prepares us for battle. So using Paul’s clues, let’s take a ride through the Bible and see about this son of perdition.

“While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.” John 17:12 (KJV)

No surprise that our search leads us back to John, Paul and John are tag-team prophecy warriors who back each other up, and here we seeing Jesus talking about the son of perdition. It is the same son of perdition that Paul referenced, none other than Judas Iscariot, the Betrayer. But there’s more….

“Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.” John 13:26 (KJV)

Here we have Judas in the act of betrayal, and it is a stunning example of why we only use the King James Bible. Jesus is talking about handing a “sop” to someone, and then dipping it in a dish. Anyone who has ever spent time with Italian people who can cook know exactly what a sop is. My friend Andy’s mom used to make what Italians call “gravy”, or spaghetti sauce, and it would simmer on the stove for hours. When it was close to done, we would take a fresh piece of Italian bread and dip it in the pot, and we would “sop it up”. Delicious! Now do you see what a sop is? It is a piece of bread for dipping in sauce or olive oil. The NIV renders the sop of John 13:26 as “bread”, and in doing so, throws one of the biggest prophecy clues right out the window. Yes, a sop is a piece of bread – BUT – it is much more than that. Bread is just bread , but a sop is a clue.

S = Son | O = Of | P = Perdition. Bam! After 23 years of knowing this and teaching this to people it still sends chills down my spine. God is so good.

Now do you see why we say God has preserved His word in the KJV? But there’s more, we are not done yet.

“That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.” Acts 1:25 (KJV)

When Judas killed himself after the world’s greatest betrayal, he didn’t simply go to Hell, not at all. He went to his own, very special holding area that we see mentioned in Acts 1:25. One reason for this special place is because God is not done with him just yet. In the Time of Jacob’s Trouble, Judas is going to come back as the Antichrist. Why? Because Paul already told you he would in 2 Thessalonians, remember? “and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;“. In fact, lots of people make a reappearance. Moses and Elijah come back as the Two Witnesses, Judas comes back as the Antichrist, and of course, Jesus comes back as Himself. Yay!

That’s My King, Do You Know Him? from Now The End Begins on Vimeo.

Now we are right back where we started, having compared Scripture with Scripture, and have let the Bible tell us who the identity of Antichrist is. Judas Iscariot. Do we need to know his modern-day name in 2015? No, not at all. Christians are not told to look for the Antichrist, knowing his name today wouldn’t do us much good anyway. Soon, the Church will be raptured out of here and the world we leave behind will be given the modern-day name of Antichrist, yes, but they will not have the understanding of prophecy that you and I have. The Bible declares that unsaved, non-born again people cannot receive God’s word:

“But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” 1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV)

Yes, people in the Tribulation will have the Antichrist’s 21st Century name – BUT – they will not have his connection to Judas Iscariot, and because of that will worship him as the Messiah. Ugh, what a stinking mess that will be. Aren’t  you glad you are going to miss all that because you are saved, born again, Blood washed and headed to Heaven?

I sure am!

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:16 (KJV)

 

NTEB is run by end times author and editor-in-chief Geoffrey Grider. Geoffrey runs a successful web design company, and is a full-time minister of the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. In addition to running NOW THE END BEGINS, he has a dynamic street preaching outreach and tract ministry team in Saint Augustine, FL.
  • Danny

    Brother Geoffrey, excellent post as usual, I don’t know how you can churn these cutting edge posts out every day but I am glad you do.

    It’s a little off topic but, on the subject of pre-trib vs whatever else, David Hocking did an excellent job on proving the pre trib in, like, 5 minutes, based primarily on Revelation, chapter 5. I’d like to get your take on it if you have time to listen to it.

    http://www.rapturenotes.com/mp3sermons_files/pre-trib-or-post-trib-rapture.mp3

    I found it fascinating, and unequivocal proof of a pre-tribulation rapture on its own. Keep fighting the good fight brother.

    • I will check it out, thank you! 🙂

    • It is very clear to many people in Africa and the Middle East as they get their throats cut for Christ that we are now well into the Tribulation. It amazes me that people will deny the evidence before them to hold up a disproved theory. In fact, if you take all scripture concerning these times, and not an isolated part of it, it becomes clear that any Rapture will come during the Trib, not before.

      • Danny

        Neavei, people have been beheaded, burned, drowned, stoned and slaughtered by untold millions over the history of humankind. Tragic as it is today, it isn’t new. The Bible clearly states that the time of Jacob’s trouble will be like nothing the world has ever seen. Read the judgements in Revelation, has 1/3 of the world population hasn’t eradicated? That’s just one example. What is happening today pales in comparison to WWII and the holocaust alone, not to mention WWI. How do you surmise we are living in the tribulation? I really want to know.

        • Allen

          Good points!

      • jarred

        quite honestly, I would opt for my head getting chopped off and receiving my heavenly inheritance over enduring 7years of the most unimaginable judgments to ever exist. People will wish they could find death but death will elude them. Please understand any tribulation people suffer now cannot compare to what will occur during the time of Jacob’s trouble. Please prayerfully study God’s Word regarding this, the Scriptures will guide you in all truth.

        • Ann

          Jarred, you are very true. I agree, I would rather die for Christ or endure until the end and I will have my reward. All the rewards are for those saints during the tribulation who will stand on their faith, die for Christ and help those who are in need. I would rather left behind and help those suffering Christians during the tribulation. All those who ‘are already raptured’ won’t have any reward, don’t you think so? Or their reward is the 7 years escape in heaven.

          • Allen

            Where’s your mind to tell that you prefer to left behind?”endure until the end” verse is for the unbeliever during the tribulation period and not for the Christian. Are you able to stand 7 years in earth with a great great tribulation.Why we need to be saved if we can save on endurance. What’s the use of Worship service, fellowship on the saints, bible study, supporting the missionaries and in the end we thought we are saved but we have to make it through to the God’s wrath?Mid-rib & Post-Trib is Satan’s doctrine.Satan wants you to believe that God cannot save you and only by yourself by enduring the tribulation.Lastly, Miss Ann where in the bible that people caught up will not able to receive the reward?

      • Scott DeHart

        the seven year tribulation does not start until the Antichrist has Israel and the middle east sign a peace treaty. That has not been done yet! Gods wrath does not start until the seven year tribulation starts. What we all have been going though on earth is birth pangs and not the full wrath of God that will happen in the entire world and not just a small part.1 Thessalonians 5:9 says 9 For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. Just like Noah and his family and lot and his family taken out of the way before God poured his wrath upon the earth. The Rapture “IS” before the Tribulation!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Scott, good answer. Well said! Amen.

        • Brandon

          This is funny. I hear a “peace treaty” over and over but I just can’t seem to find that term in my KJV. I do however see clearly from Jesus,Paul and John that the catching up of believers is at the end of the great tribulation at the 7th, or last, trump. It is clear once you just read what the Bible says. If necessary I could give you loads of verses that destroy a fairy tale pre trib rapture. Please prepare and realize we are Laodicea and we will be tried in the fire because the Lord wants us to repent and be purified. Peace brother.

          • MRH

            @Brandon:

            This is funny. I hear a “peace treaty” over and over but I just can’t seem to find that term in my KJV.

            Maybe you aren’t looking deep enough? 😉

            1Th 5:3 KJV – For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

            Lexicon :: Strong’s H1285 – bĕriyth (covenant) = covenant, alliance, pledge, treaty, league, agreement

            I do however see clearly from Jesus,Paul and John that the catching up of believers is at the end of the great tribulation at the 7th, or last, trump.

            True 😀

            If necessary I could give you loads of verses that destroy a fairy tale pre trib rapture.

            None of the common trib theories are correct.. all are flawed 😥

            Please prepare and realize we are Laodicea and we will be tried in the fire because the Lord wants us to repent and be purified.

            The tribulation is not the wrath, not is it a refining fire for the church. It’s purpose is to awaken the blind Jews unto salvation 😉

          • AndrewA

            Idea of a peace treaty comes from Daniel chapter 9. With the prince who will make desolate (the beast of Revelation) secures a covenant or agreement for one week with the people of Israel. (one week being for 7 years in the prophecy.)

            Daniel ch 9 verse 26-27
            26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

            27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

          • MRH

            @Brandon: The 2030 Agenda = peace and safety (NWO global agenda). The NWO Pope will be addressing such in his soon USA visit 😉

          • MRH

            Idea of a peace treaty comes from Daniel chapter 9. With the prince who will make desolate (the beast of Revelation) secures a covenant or agreement for one week with the people of Israel. (one week being for 7 years in the prophecy.)

            @AndrewA: Uhmm.. the verse says ‘with many’ not just Israel. Many implies the world.. a global agenda.. i.e. The 2030 Agenda 😉

          • AndrewA

            @ MRH true it does say many not Just Israel.

            @ Brandon if you haven’t I suggest you read what Geoffry Grider has already said concerning the rapture and then go from their.

            http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/pages/rapture/the-pretribulation-rapture-explained.htm

            Its not just one Article but a some what lengthy series and will probably have a response to most of the General points you are making.

            If it doesn’t answer all your questions feel free to use the contact us link and I am sure he will write an article on the mater.

          • Heather

            Try telling the Lord when your standing at the Judgment Seat of Christ, after the catching away, how you thought this event in His plans was a fairy tale.

          • Jerry

            Brandon…You are so right! Here’s just a couple verses that PROVE that there is NOT a “rapture” as Geoffrey describes! Revelation: 12:17 …the dragon makes war with those who have a testimony of Christ. Rev. 7:14 …righteous go thru great tribulation. Rev. 17:6…church of Satan drunk with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. Rev. 20:…those who were beheaded for the witness of Christ. Let me quote one…Rev. 13:7 “And it was given onto him to wage war against the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and people.” How can the “SAINTS” be “OVERCOME” IF they have been taken out before the trouble comes! The Pre-Trib. rapture is NON-SCIENCE! Geoffery, like so many who promote this Pre-Trib. rapture stuff “leads people astray”. Geoffery do some research and you’ll see that you are hurting people with these false teachings.

          • Cori Venturini

            I have repented to the LORD and have been purified by the blood of the Lamb, Jesus. God is not mad at me any more. The time of Jacob’s Trouble is for the purpose of God’s dealing with Israel. The church is made up of all born again Believers from the Book of acts to the Rapture. The saints mentioned in the book of Revelation are not the church, but are the Tribulation “saints”….

        • Brandon

          Okay for starters, Jesus told us Four times in John 6 that He would raise us up “at the Last day”. Martha, who apparently heard the teaching before, said the same thing in John 11. That’s 5 times! Now, pretend you’ve never been taught about the rapture and read Matthew 24,1Thess.4 and Rev.11:15-19. It is all the same event. We are being clearly told how things will happen. Also, in Rev. 10 we are told that at the 7th trumpet the mystery of God should be finished as prophesied. The mystery is “Christ in you, the hope of glory.” We will be glorified! Also we receive our reward at the 7th trumpet which is Jesus! We admire Him in that day….so why are we not doing that for 7 years in Heaven? Jesus prayed that the Church would NOT be taken out of the world but kept from the evil. He can do that with us here, remember Noah i the ark and Israel in Egypt. Paul in 1Cor.15:21-28 told us After we are resurrected “then cometh the end”, not then cometh the tribulation. There is plenty more but please take a look at these. One more note, the wrath of God is at the last day just after the rapture. We are spared from that. The sixth seal, seventh trumpet and seventh vile are all happening at the same time. On His way down He will rescue those who are alive and remain.Only place in the Bible this word for remain is used and he says it twice. It means “survives”…interesting.If Jesus didn’t shorten those days no flesh would be saved but for the elects sake He will shorten them. Compare them please. Peace.

          • Brandon

            The Tribulation is only 3 1/2 years. We are told three times in tree different ways. The first half of the seven years was completed in the 3 1/2 year ministry of Jesus. I do believe the Pope and our president are Very evil and something really bad will happen really soon, perhaps the strong delusion?, my main point is don’t expect to vanish any time soon. Peace.

          • AndrewA

            Probably should of first checked the link I sent. The 70 weeks is covered in the 2nd part of the series.

            http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/pages/rapture/daniels-70th-week-explained.htm

            Again Highly suggest you go through the series first.
            http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/pages/rapture/the-pretribulation-rapture-explained.htm

          • Brandon

            I know all about Daniel 9 and the teaching of a pea e treaty. I used to believe it all. I’m saying tat it is all just one interpretation of an obscure passage. However, we are taught clearly that we will be caught up after the tribulation and just before the great day of His wrath.

          • AndrewA

            Honestly if you are aware of the covenant for one week in the 70 weeks prophecy then you are being dishonest in saying their is no mention of a treaty.

            The Word Treaty and Covenant mean the same thing in context to what is being talked about in the passage. Covenant is the better word but it amounts to roughly the same thing here take a look at the definitions.

            Covenant

            An agreement, contract, or written promise between two individuals that frequently constitutes a pledge to do or refrain from doing something.

            The individual making the promise or agreement is known as the covenantor, and the individual to whom such promise is made is called the covenantee.

            Covenants are really a type of contractual arrangement that, if validly reached, is enforceable by a court. They can be phrased so as to prohibit certain actions and in such cases are sometimes called negative covenants.

            There are two major categories of covenants in the law governing real property transactions: covenants running with the land and covenants for title.

            Now look at Treaty

            Treaty

            A compact made between two or more independent nations with a view to the public Welfare.

            A treaty is an agreement in written form between nation-states (or international agencies, such as the United Nations, that have been given treaty-making capacity by the states that created them) that is intended to establish a relationship governed by International Law. It may be contained in a single instrument or in two or more related instruments such as an exchange of diplomatic notes. Various terms have been used for such an agreement, including treaty, convention, protocol, declaration, charter, Covenant, pact, act, statute, exchange of notes, agreement, modus vivendi (“manner of living” or practical compromise), and understanding. The particular designation does not affect the agreement’s legal character.

            In this case it is a treaty as the Prince makes it with many nations not just one person so by definition would be a treaty. However the point of the treaty is a Covenant about the peaceful use of the Holy Land specifically Israel and the city of Jerusalem. (this is gone into more details with the other prophesies about the Prince of Desolation in Daniel if you wish to read up on it.)

            Daniel 9 is not an obscure passage or even hard to understand if you just read it literal it is self explanatory. God was nice enough to have Gabriell explain it for us.

          • Heather

            @Brandon You said God’s wrath doesn’t happen until the very end, after the tribulation, after the rapture. Yet clearly we see his wrath happening in the following verses which shows lasting for 5 months before the six trumpet.

            Revelation 9:1-5 (KJV)

            9 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the
            earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

            2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit,
            as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by
            reason of the smoke of the pit.

            3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them
            was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

            4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

            5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

        • Sueawatcher

          Agree totally with what you said here. This is the birth pangs we are experiancing and the treaty needs to be signed before tribulation starts. Then the 7 yrs of tribulation.

    • Danzo

      Hi, I’d like to add to this if you don’t mind 😉 I will also read your rapturenotes, I find it interesting

      https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+20%3A4-5&version=KJV

      This verse says
      Revelation 20:4-5King James Version (KJV)

      4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

      5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

      AND
      For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: AND THE DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL RISE FIRST: Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.’ (1 Thess. 4:15-17)
      *precede, go before
      (Also, compare this passage with Matt. 24:29-31)
      ——————–

      So then, what are these beheaded? This tells me that many Christians will beheaded during the tribulation.

      Rapture 1: Dead in christ, in case we die before the trib
      rapture 2: (could come very soon after rap 1: the 2nd rapture
      Rapture 3: the new converts who believe in christ during trib

      The important thing is to not be disappointed in God if we are not raptured until after we die/persecuted. WE are not appointed to God’s wrath, which will be far far worse. And we should be fearful if we should be beheaded as a new life and body is ready in an instant. Whatever happens we should be prepared for the best or worse.

  • allison webster

    Pre-tribulation rapture, or post-tribulation rapture? Has any question among Christians been debated more? Both camps make compelling arguments. They can’t both be right, or can they? I’ve often wondered about the Book of Ruth. Why is that seemingly benign chapter even in The Bible? It’s nothing but a love story about harvesters who leave behind stray pieces to be picked up by others in a second harvest . . . or could there be more to this story that meets the eye? Will there be two harvests of Believers?

    I don’t believe a pre-Tribulation rapture will take place anytime soon. Jesus said he would come when he isn’t expected, and since so many people expect him now, that rules out the here and now.

    If the Age of Man is 6,000 years, and if this is year (5,774?), we have a long way to go . . . but He also said those “days will be shortened,” yet he did not say shortened to what. Shortened to 5,999, or shortened to 5,775, or somewhere in-between?

    The wise Christian will live like today is the last day, but prepare like the last day will be years, decades, or even centuries from now, which it may well be. We may have to go through the Tribulation period, and we may all be beheaded by the Antichrist, and some may live through his time of terror in a place prepared for those extremely few who have enough faith to leave everything behind and go there.

    The Bible does NOT say there will be a pre-Tribulation rapture, only that on the LAST TRUMP, the dead in Christ will rise first, then those alive will be “caught up” to meet them in the air.

    Pray that you’ll be worthy of escaping those things that are to come, but be prepared to be beheaded for your beliefs. THAT may be your only escape . . . .

    • The “wise Christian” is a Bible believer who bases his opinions on Bible doctrine, rightly divided as Paul says to do in 2 Timothy 2:15. When you do that, you see a Pretrib Rapture. Surprise, surprise…thanks, Paul! (high five!)

      • Gabriele Dopplinger

        Well, I guess your repy here did you in for me! I’m trained on pre-trib too but leave it up to Jesus because there ARE evidences in the Bible also for mid- or post-trib. The WISE Christian is one who isn’t proudly looking down on others because he is convinced HE is right – that’s called a Pharisee in the Bible.
        YOU might be in for a surprise, Geoffrey – but God looks at the heart in His mercy!

        • Hmmm, so you are saying we have God’s revealed word, but somehow we cannot know for sure and just have to “leave it to Jesus” to figure out? Well, ok, let’s apply that line of reasoning to the rest of the Bible. Now we toss the doctrine of Eternal Security out the window because we cannot really know “for sure” that we are saved, right? Just kinda have to take our best guess and hope for Heaven? Do you see where your line of reasoning leads you?

          We CAN know for SURE about the Pretrib Rapture and all the other Bible doctrines if we will follow Paul’s command to “rightly divide” the Word. Please read this:http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=34754

          • Abigail Sanders

            So Mr. Grider, getting back to your blog post…Judas Iscariot is the identity of the antichrist…

            Are you then saying that the antichrist is a Jew?

          • Louise

            Abigail Sanders, prophecy teachers have been saying for many decades that the Anti-Christ would have to be a Jew, that’s why Henry Kissinger was the favourite candidate for Anti-Christ for a long time. I can’t remember the Biblical references for this.

          • Sue Chet

            Bro. Grider when I compared Scripture with Scripture it seemed to fit the Pre-Wrath rapture position best, where we will be here for Antichrist (Satan’s wrath) and raptured at the 6th seal (Day of the Lord – sun darkened, moon blood red – Rev. 6:12-17) marking the outpouring of God’s wrath (7th seal, 7 trumpet and 7 bowl judgments) upon those who took the mark of the Beast. It’s right after the sixth seal that a multitude from the tribulation appears in heaven in Rev. 7:9-17 – this seems to be the Rapture, because those left behind on earth (except the 144,000 who have God’s seal) experience God’s trumpet and bowl judgments afterwards.

          • So you mean to tell me that by “comparing scripture with scripture” you found that the time of JACOB’S trouble really means the Church? Hmm…

            “Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.” Jeremiah 30:7 (KJV)

          • Child of god

            I agree with judas Iscariot is the son of perdition the deadly wound he received was/is Christ overcoming sin and the grave. The Lord removed the power of death from satan. With that being said people, Satan’s wrath which is during the tribulation is not the wrath of God. Jacob’s troubles is the beast persecuting Israel and the Lord delivering them. Let us all grow in grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ

          • Speaking of rightly dividing the Word, Geoff, can you show me a verse in the Bible that says we escape “tribulation”? (hint = 0 verses). On the other hand there are multiple references to believers escaping God’s wrath.

            Without word replacement, or supposition there is nowhere in the Scriptures that says believers will escape tribulation (of any kind). In fact the opposite is true. Strange thing about the words God used when inspiring the writers – They mean something specific and were used for a purpose. In as much as God very specifically told us we would have tribulation in this world, he also specifically said we would NOT experience His wrath.

            The first 5 seals are nothing different than what has happened throughout history, with the exception of perhaps scale or intensity. All 5 can be and have been caused by man- especially one controlled by Satan. In contrast, as Sue Chet has pointed out, after the 5th seal the events are clearly Divine.

            Re. “Jacob’s Trouble” you’re right – it is a issue for the Jews. Coincidentally, the first 5 seals involve everyone world-wide. They are not directed just the Jews. Hence by your logic, the first 5 seals are not part of the ‘great tribulation’ which you equate with time of Jacob’s trouble.

            Instead of just spouting the tired ‘I can prove the pre-trib’ line, and regurgitating the same thing EVERY PT adherent has read, I invite you to read God’s Word again without commentaries and other people’s opinions getting in the way. Take what it says literally. You would be surprised at how different an understanding you can come to when you simply read what it says. (including about rapture timing)

            I seem to remember the religious scholars of Jesus’ day could “prove” that Jesus was not the Christ by their understanding of the Scripture. And we know how that turned out…

            I know it’s your blog and all, but one more word of unrequested advice – dropping the haughty spirit you sometimes exhibit will help your study and understanding also.

          • Sure, here it is: “For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,” 1 Thessalonians 5:9 (KJV)

    • I am amused and at the same time dismayed about the confusion and the in-fighting that results from the preterist, historocist and futurist camps regarding the taking away of the Bride of Christ. Anybody who has actually read the Book of Revelation knows that there are three groups of Christians seen at three separate times in three separate locations in the Book of Revelation.

      Group #1 – The great multitude from every tribe nation people and tongue seen standing on the glassy sea before the throne of God prior to the Trumpet warnings. Revelation 7:9

      Group #2 – The 144,000 Jewish, Male, Virgins who were set apart to act as a witness of Christ prior to the trumpet warnings. Revelation 14:1-5

      Group #3 – Those who came off victorious over the Beast from the Land, his number and his image seen standing next to the glassy sea mixed with fire. Revelation 15:1-4

      Are there Christians who are taken away (raptured)? Group 1 seems to bear that out. They are seen in heaven prior to the seven trumpet warnings.

      Are there Christians left as a witness during the first half of Jacobs trouble? Group 2 who are comprised of Jewish male virgins and who have the testimony of Jesus Christ and are filled with the Holy Spirit would be those. They were set apart prior to the seven trumpet warnings and seen on the heavenly mount Zion prior to the pouring out of the seven bowl plagues.

      Are there Christians who will be martyred for not bowing before the image of the Beast? This would be the third group of Christians who came to the Lord during the seven trumpet warnings and are also seen in heaven prior to the seven bowl plagues. The only way to come out victorious at this point is to give up your life and become a martyr under the altar.

      Oh, but what about the Seven Seals? I am glad you asked. The seven seals started coming open when Jesus was found worthy to break the seals and open the scroll. When did he arrive in heaven? It was after he was taken to heaven after his resurrection. The seals have been coming open during these last two thousand years and are markers to show us how close we are to the time of Jacob’s Troubles.

      For more information, please go to my web study at http://mikeb4jc.wix.com/apocalypse .

      • JaeiJaei

        Best explanation yet….

        • carrierwave

          Not so fast… What is being ignored is the “OUTLINE” of the Book of Revelation the Lord Jesus gave to John in Revelation 1:19. THIS gives the pattern of events in 3 perspectives, and fully proves the pre-trib rapture. here it is:

          Jesus said: “Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things that shall be hereafter.” (Revelation 1:19)

          The “things which thou hast seen” == Chapter one

          The “things which are,” == Chapters 2 & 3

          The “things that shall be hereafter”, Chapters 4 through 22

          Now this is what Jesus said, and this is how John wrote the entire Book of the Revelation according this divine outline.

          Chapter 4 begins whith John being transported into an “open
          door in Heaven” with all the elements 1 Thess 4:16. EVERYTHING AFTER Revelation 4:1 are the “things that shall be HEREAFTER.” The 7 seals are opened AFTER John arrived in heaven in the “HEREAFTER”, the third section of the outline Jesus gave. JESUS began opening the seals AFTER the rapture. We know this by the outline AND because the 24 elders are the “CHURCH” that have just been raptured as symbolized by John’s transport through the “door”. (Jesus)!

          Proof the 24 elders is the “Church”:

          Revelation 1:4 “John to the SEVEN CHURCHES, Grace unto you and peace from him which is, and which was, and which is to come, and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; and from Jesus Christ who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth; Unto him that loved us and washed us from our sins in his own blood; AND HATH MADE US *KINGS AND PRIESTS* unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion forever and ever, Amen.”

          Now look at the 24 elders: They are in “white robes”, Crowned, rewarded, and sitting on thrones. According to Revelation 5:9 the 24 elders sing a new song, and declare Jesus is worthy and, “hast REDEEMED US to God by thy blood OUT OF every kindred, and tongue, and people and nation; And hast made US unto God, *KINGS AND PRIESTS*…”

          So the identity of the 24 elders we are told, were sinners, washed in the blood of Jesus, OUT OF the every nation and people on earth, and are made *KINGS AND PRIESTS*. That is what John called the 7 Seven Churches, washed in his blood and made *KINGS AND PRIESTS*. The comparison is unmistakeable. The 24 elders and 7 Seven Churches are one and the same! Which concludes a PRE-TRIB rapture with the 24 elders/7 Churches Crowned, rewarded and throned IN HEAVEN before the 7 sealed book is opened.

          • Heather

            Amen carrierwave! I noticed immediately Kedesh left out the real 1st and 2nd group.
            The first being as you mentioned;
            Revelation 5: 9-10 KJV
            And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to loose the seals thereof : for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed US to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
            10 And hast made US unto our God kings and priests : and WE shall reign on the earth.

            The 2nd group seen in heaven immediately after the 144,000 are mentioned;
            Revelation 7 : 9-14 KJV
            And after this, I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
            10 And cried with a loud voice, saying salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
            11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
            12 Saying, Amen : Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might be unto our God for ever and ever Amen.
            13 And one of the elders answered saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? And whence came they?
            14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, ” These are they which came out of GREAT TRIBULATION and have WASHED THEIR ROBES, and MADE THEM white in the blood of the Lamb.

            Revelation 5 : 9-10 It’s right there plain to SEE. The first two times I read the book of Revelation, I totally missed it. Actually I had never heard of a mid or post tribulation rapture belief until two 2 years ago and I became saved over 30 years ago. Being horrified with such strange teachings down to the core of my soul, I asked the Lord, “Where is this coming from? If I am in error in what I believe the scriptures have shown me, PLEASE SHOW ME THE TRUTH”. I pleaded with all my heart in this prayer to Jesus. Within one week, as I was earnestly studying the beginning of the book of Revelation, I saw Revelation 5 : 9-10. It stood out to me as if the letters were in all caps. The Lord answered my prayer to Him and He has been doing it ever since with all kinds of different subjects.
            He’s coming, and He’s coming soon!

          • Bert

            Amen, carrierwave! You nailed it! God bless you for reading and UNDERSTANDING! Very well done.

          • Tommy Daniells

            You quote Rev.5:9 and leave out vs. 8, which says the 4 beasts and four and twenty elders fall down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.In vs.9 the 4 beast also sing the same song saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation. And in vs.10 they also say , And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Are the 4 beast part of the raptured church to? Fact is, the Bible does not say who the 24 elders are other than the four and twenty elders. They can’t possibly represent the whole church

          • Child of god

            The 24 elders are Israel and the church collectively. 12 tribes 12 disciples. 2 folds of sheep become one sheepfold. Just as the names of 12 tribes of Israel are on the gates of new jerusalem and the 12 disciples names are on the foundation.

  • John

    Believers will go through whatever’s coming unless they die first. Believers need to be prepared for the worst. It’s already happening around the globe, and when the UN implements agenda 2030 and hordes of Muslims are brought to America things will get much worse. Please stop teaching that believers will escape. It’s false doctrine.

    • No, the Pretribulation Rapture is not “false doctrine”, it is Paul and John’s Bible teaching. Don’t confuse tribulation as a CONDITION, which all believers have had for 2,000 years, with THE Tribulation as an EVENT. They are NOT the same, and this is why: http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=32728

      • Jason

        There is no rapture i wish this website and you guys would stop being deceived nowhere in the KJV does it talk about a rapture so just let you guys know we will be here during the tribulation that why jesus said he is going to shorten it to 5 months because if he let the tribulation period go for 7 years he said even his most faithfull would be deceived by the antichrist

  • carolyn knight

    It is true there is a falling away in the U.S. and Europe, however in Asia, Africa, and Latin America the greatest revivals in the history of the church are happening right now. it is a mistake to only look at America in describing what is happening in the world. We are in the last days according to Scripture, but we are also alive during the greatest harvest and outpouring of God’s Spirit. Hallelujah- God is mightily at work and more are being saved today than ever before. China has way more Christians than we do today and is also sending more missionaries than we are in the U.S.- just for one example.

    • Yes, but are they revivals based on Bible doctrine and teaching, or on some charismatic foolishness? Most of the “revivals” I see in Latin American countries are charismatic in nature and don’t look or sound like Biblical revival to me.

      • Gabriele Dopplingerg

        This seems to be your style of conversation – pointing the finger at those who you think are WRONG, leaving YOU with the only true interpretation again.
        Did you know that THREE fingers are pointing back at YOU when you point one to others???
        I’ve met people from charismatic revivals and they are very serious followers of Christ, more in love with Jesus than most evangelicals I met! And in their love flowing over to others….
        Do you do that? Flow over and reach others in love? Or are you just standing there, glad YOU know the truth and others are not as smart as you?
        We have a saying in Austria: As you shout out in the mountains the echo will come back to you just that way!

        • What don’t you go by what the Bible says instead of man’s opinion via majority? I don’t care how many people proclaim that they are “serious followers of Christ”. The Bible says that if they’re contrary to doctrine, then they are belly worshipers, NOT “serious followers of Christ”. Romans 16:17-18 KJV

        • Wendy

          Gabriele, I’d say that a man who is constantly preaching on the streets with signs and tracts, such as Geoffrey does, “flows over and reaches others in love.” Perhaps you are unaware that he does that. So, the answer to your question would be “Yes, he does”…..

          • Wendy – That is completely dependent on what his signs and tracts say, and the way he interacts with those who take notice. If he talks to the people on the street the way he addresses people here, I would guess he is having very little impact on growing the kingdom. The way I picture it: “You’re so stupid! Read this tract I wrote so you can learn something.” Scripture is always true, but the way it is delivered can adversely affect it’s effectiveness. Luckily, God uses many ways to draw the lost to Himself. Even haughty, self righteous street preachers.

            General population – BTW, revivals are to wake up lazy, half-dead believers. Evangelistic outreaches are for the lost. I agree that many charismatic events give birth to weak or mal-informed baby Christians. But someday they will learn more and grow. Just like pretrib rapture believers will…

  • Jim

    The Antichrist is non other than Satan himself incarnate not Judas. “SOP” huh. One problem the bible was not written in English. I think its stretch on your part. Dont like to argue with fellow Christians. Anyway any evil done by anyone comes from Satan.

    • I argue my case from Scripture not opinion, please do the same and we can discuss it, thanks!

      • SissCo Kids

        Ephesians 6:12

      • Jim

        Genesis chapter 3

    • Terri

      When Satan is thrown out of heaven (he still has access to the seat of God)is when he will start indwelling the antichrist (after his head wound). The last Antichrist is as human as you or I but the last 3 1/2 years he will be indwelt by Satan and that is when things will get really horrific

  • ex Prophet

    There is no pre-trib rapture.
    I am prepared to post proof of it from the Word.
    A very lengthy post, I might add, is the reason I have not done so here.

    Using s-o-p as an acronym is unnecessary and maybe even a little dangerous (adding to the Word?).

    It’s been easy to determine that Judas was a ‘prophetic shadow’ of antichrist without the use of an acronym.

    Anti-Christ was revealed a long time ago – millions of pre-tribbers will be fooled.

    • When you post, use only verses from the King James Bible, I will not respond to it if you use any other version. Thanks.

      • ex Prophet

        My rebuttal to a pre-trib rapture is 25 pages long.

        Since the “identity glitch” on this site, my e-mail account for this site, as well as logging on to the site, is not working properly…

        “Page can’t be displayed”, “error # 403”, etc.

        I have trouble logging onto this site as well as my e-mail account.

        This does not happen with other sites or my other e-mail accounts.

        Therefore, if I try to post 25 consecutive pages, I’m concerned that I won’t be able to post them in sequence.

        • AndrewA

          Could always send it via the contact us link at top of the page. If your 25 pages cover things he has not already addressed I am sure he will be more then happy to write an article in response.

          He seems pretty good about doing just that.

          • ex Prophet

            That’s an idea.

            problem is:
            I sent Mr.Grider an e-mail concerning a posting problem and never got a response back – and that was MONTHS ago.

            Also, I have put a LOT of time on the 25 pages and they should be read as they are.

            I am NOT saying that Mr. Grider would change what I present.

            I’m saying that it should be read by everyone (who is interested in it) and then replies, or even an article, could be written.

            Thanks for the idea.

    • Comforter

      Kindly please post your lengthy article. If one is really scholarly and use the right tools to examine the scripture there isnt even a rapture that’s going to take place. No where in the Bible from Original Hebrew and Greek is there a word Rapture. Rather its the word Caught up. The dispensationalists have made thousands of dollars promoting this theory. Throughout history the “wicked” were always taken out and the righteous left behind. Noah’s time the wicked perished and his family remained. Lots time in Sodom and Gomorrah, the wicked perished and his family remained. many other examples. I have done some intense study to prove that the disappearance theory is not true. Yes the physical literal appearance of Christ is true.
      So please post your thoughts and I would gather my research and maybe Geoffrey Grider can share his comments thereto. Plse this comment is not to debate anybody.

      • ex Prophet

        @ Comforter,

        I will post the article.
        It’s still rough at the moment and still needs finishing.
        Once completed, I fear it will take some time to post all because of tech issues with NTEB.
        Stay tuned.

      • AndrewA

        The Koine Greek word for rapture is ἁρπάζω (harpazō).

        You are being just a little bit dishonest with saying it isn’t mentioned in the Bible.

        As the word rapture is based off the Latin word rapere which is what appears in the Vulgate as it is written in Latin. The word that is used in the Greek lexicon is again harpazō.

        They both mean caught up or snatched away. (which is what appears in English text)

        So actually yes it does appear in the Greek.

      • ex Prophet

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        No pre-trib rapture –

        There have been many staunch debates over the years as to just when the church will be taken. All seem to have their argument established and are ready to go down fighting to prove their case. It is my prayer that this writing will offer some clarity on the topic.

        I believe that just how the teachers of the first century missed Yeshua’s first coming, likewise, today, the majority of teachers are missing the Scriptures regarding His return.

        Hopefully this teaching will show how history is indeed repeating itself in this area.

        But before we begin to examine this topic of what many call the “Rapture,” let’s look at one verse in Isaiah 1.

        Isaiah 1:18

        “Come now, let us reason together,” says (Yahuwah) the LORD.

        Ask yourself the question, “Am I willing to reason with the Scriptures or am I wanting to debate my perspective?” This is imperative that we answer this question now. Are you willing to examine the Scriptures from the viewpoint that some of your existing beliefs COULD actually be wrong? Could you actually entertain the thought that something you have believed in for years may indeed not be true? This is difficult for many but something that needs to honestly be addressed.

        All too often when someone presents something that opposes what we believe, our first “knee-jerk” response is to reject it, simply because we struggle with the thought that we could actually be wrong.

        So again I say, ask yourself, “Am I willing to reason with the Scriptures or am I wanting to debate my perspective?” You, and only you, can answer this question.

        Isaiah 1:18

        “Come now, let us reason together,” says (Yahuwah) the LORD.

        Let’s touch on a couple of basics first.

      • ex Prophet

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        Harmony of the Scriptures

        This is a must. If you hold to a teaching or a belief that does not line up with ALL Scripture, then you need to seriously reconsider that view.

        I believe that Scripture interprets Scripture. I do not believe that an interpretation of a Scripture is to interpret another Scripture. One more time. I believe that Scripture interprets Scripture. I do not believe that an interpretation of a Scripture is to interpret another Scripture.

        Terminology

        Terminology that one uses MUST be Scriptural. This is something that I believe is lacking with many believers today. We need to do our best in keeping with terms that are found in the Scriptures. What can develop is error. At the very least, misunderstanding will creep in over time.

        Let’s face facts… The word Rapture does not exist in the Scriptures. Should we use it? Many would say “Well, you know that it means the same thing.”

        I understand where you are coming from. But is it in the Scriptures? If we are trying to be a “New Testament church,” shouldn’t we be using New Testament terms?

        Other phrases you will not see in the Scriptures are:

        – Church age. You’ll see the word church and you’ll see the word age. But you’ll never see them together to name a particular age.

        Another:

        – Tribulation saints. You’ll see the word tribulation and you’ll see the word saints. But you’ll never see them together to name any particular type of saints.

        This is truly imperative that we understand the importance of this. Not using biblical terms CAN eventually lead to unbiblical theology.

        To begin, we need to briefly go over the five views of what has been traditionally called the “rapture.” It’s what the Scriptures refer to as the resurrection. Obviously, there will be variations within each camp of these views. But as a whole, these basically represent what each view holds to.

        The first is the Pre-tribulation view.

        As you can see, the view holds to the rapture or resurrection taking place before the tribulation, with there being a seven year tribulation, in which the seals, trumpets and bowls all take place. Then after all this we have the return of Yeshua, followed by the millennial reign of Yeshua, then the white throne judgment followed by the eternal kingdom. This is the general understanding of the pre-tribulation view.

        Next, we have the Mid-tribulation view.

        This view is very similar to that of the pre-tribulation view except that the resurrection takes place in the middle of the tribulation. All else is relatively the same with some minor changes depending on who you are asking.

        Next we have what is called the “Pre-Wrath” view.

        It has the rapture/resurrection taking place just before the bowls. Again, all else is relatively the same.

      • ex Prophet

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        Next we have what is called the “Post-tribulation” view,

        which basically has the rapture/ resurrection taking place at the return of Yeshua after the bowls.

        Finally we have the last view.

        It’s simply referred to as the “Pan-trib.” Simply meaning, however it pans out. Taking the view that however it’s going happen, then that’s how it’s going to happen, really taking no stance on the subject for whatever reason. Maybe they believe it’s just beyond them or they’ve heard so many debates on the topic that they just don’t know what or who to believe.

        As we’ve said before, everybody’s right on something and everybody’s wrong on something. And we truly need one another as we all learn and grow together.

        With all that being said, let’s begin.

        At one time, like so many, I used to believe in what is called the pre-tribulation rapture. But when I was a teenager, I started asking questions that weren’t getting answered. Not getting answered in my opinion anyway. The answers that were given sounded good. But they didn’t line up with other Scriptures. One verse that really tipped me over was this:

        Revelation 20:4-6

        And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
        5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

        6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

        So, here we have this verse telling us who is involved with the first resurrection. The first resurrection included those who did not receive the mark, they were beheaded, and they did not worship the beast. These are those who will be involved with the first resurrection. Immediately, I started thinking, If Yeshua comes before the tribulation, that’s a resurrection right there because it says the dead in Christ will rise first. That’s a resurrection.

        1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

        16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

        17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

        So now we have a problem. The pre-tribulation view says there is a resurrection BEFORE the tribulation.

        Before the antichrist appears and before the mark of the beast is introduced. But this verse in Revelation says that there are those who are a part of the first resurrection who do not take the mark and even some who are martyred by the Antichrist.

        So how can the first resurrection contain these individuals if the tribulation has not started yet?

        Knowing that ALL Scripture is to be in harmony, it would seem that this verse alone makes it very difficult, at the very least, to hold to the pre-trib view. Yet there is much more.

        • Terri

          just a comment when talking about the first resurrection and it states the rest of the dead where not resurrected until after the 1000 yr reign. Not everyone is going to be dead when Christ comes at the end of the trib and not all will have accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior. Seems like it is missing something since it is not talking about living people. Also people that are living DO NOT GO thru a resurrection those are the ones who are dead and then come come alive as Jesus did. The ones still alive have a glorified body but not a resurrected body. You have to take all verses as a whole instead of just using the ones that prove your point of view. Case in point: remember that so called pastor going to funerals and picketing and his beliefs? Well I found his website I read the verses he chose and you if you just used those verses he chose it did sound like he was correct that is why all verses pertaining to a particular subject need to be reviewed and do not just believe what one person said. There are a lot of verses in the bible that show pre-trib rapture to be correct but you know does it really matter? We should all be looking for the blessed hope of Jesus coming for his people. It is a sorry thing that Christians actually almost seem to come to blows regarding which way is correct and there are lots of non Chrisitians looking for answers and if they see the way some Christians argue and discuss (with curse words ect, not talking about anyone in particular, other sites mainly)this could bring them to conclude Christianity is not for them. I for one home when the unsaved are being charged one does not look at me and cry “Why, Terri did you act the way you did, I would have accepted but did not cause of ,,,,,,//I try and think about that before I respond whether i agree or disagree. well just my thoughts take of them as you will

      • ex Prophet

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        I remember once hearing a prominent Christian teacher on the radio who actually addressed this very verse in Revelation 20 and how it flowed in harmony with the rest of Scripture. I remember it quite vividly even though it was MANY years ago. I was excited to finally hear an explanation on this verse in Revelation. That is, until I heard it. He simply said that the pre-tribulation rapture is the first part of the resurrection and the resurrection that is mentioned in Revelation 20 is the second part of it.

        Talk about disappointed. I couldn’t believe my ears.

        The Scriptures give us NOTHING about two parts to the first resurrection. Not even a hint of such a thing.

        It was as if he was doing all he could to defend his view, yet with no Scriptures to back it up. I was greatly disappointed.

        The Scriptures seem quite clear that there will only be one resurrection consisting only of the righteous.

        Compare:

        Luke 14:13-14

        13 But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind:

        14 And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.

        There is only one resurrection of the righteous.

        John 6:39-40

        39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

        40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

        “I will raise him up at the last day.”

        What is the “last day”? I believe, quite possibly, that this is the millennium. The seventh day, the Day of the Lord. Many struggle with this because the millennium is normally explained as nothing but a time of peace. And I agree. It will be a time of peace. But is this how it starts?

        The Day of the Lord is noted as a frightful day and a day of victory. It truly depends on what side you are on that will determine this for you. It will be a day of nothing but darkness for those who are evil in the eyes of Yahuwah.

        Compare:

        Isaiah 13:9

        9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

        Ezekiel 30:3

        3 For the day is near, even the day of the Lord is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen.

        Yet it is mentioned as both bad AND good at the same time. Again, it truly depends on what side you are on.

      • ex Prophet

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        Compare:

        Acts 2:20

        20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:

        1 Corinthians 5:5

        5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

        2 Corinthians 1:13-14

        13 For we write none other things unto you, that what ye read or acknowledge; and I trust ye shall acknowledge even to the end;

        14 As also ye have acknowledged us in part, that we are your rejoicing, even as ye also are our’s in the day of the Lord Jesus.

        References to the Day of the Lord can be the very beginning, the middle and even the end of it like that found in Peter.

        Compare:

        2 Peter 3:10-14

        10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

        11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

        12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

        13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

        14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

        So being raised at the last day truly seems that we are being raised at the time of the millennium.

        Continuing on this topic of the resurrection in John chapter 6:

        John 6:44

        44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

        Again, verse 54:

        John 6:54

        54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

        We must understand that there is a difference between being raised to life and being resurrected. Raised to life is being raised from the dead only to die again.

        Resurrected is being raised from the dead with a new body to never die physically again.

      • ex Prophet

        (6 of 25)

        One who has been raised from the dead will die again because they are raised with the same body. Like that of Lazarus or any of those that Yeshua raised from the dead while He was walking the earth in His ministry. But those who are resurrected are raised with a glorified body.

        So the question for us at this moment is, how many resurrections are there? How many resurrections does the Scriptures tell us will happen through all of history?

        There are a total of three resurrections as given in the Scriptures.

        Compare:

        1 Corinthians 15:20-24

        20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

        21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

        22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

        23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.

        24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power

        I want to make a quick note here. There are many who use the NIV. If you have the NIV, you will notice the brackets around the two words “will come.” This is to let you know that these words were added and are NOT in the Greek text. So, since these are not in the Greek text, let’s read this without these words as added by the NIV.

        Starting from verse 23.

        1 Corinthians 15:23-24

        23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.

        24 Then the end (omit), when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father after He has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.

        So, according to this text, we see that Yeshua was the first resurrection.

        1 Corinthians 15:23

        23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits

        .

        Yeshua was the first one resurrected from the dead. There are other verses that confirm this for us.

        Consider.

        Revelation 1:5

        A5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,nd from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead.

        Colossians 1:18

        18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

        And then just at the beginning of the text we were discussing…

        1 Corinthians 15:20

        But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.

      • ex Prophet

        (7 of 25)

        So there is no question as to Yeshua being the first resurrection, the first fruits from the dead.

        Now, let’s look at the second resurrection. Continuing in verse 23.

        1 Corinthians 15:23

        23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; AFTERWARD they that are Christ’s at his coming.

        “When He comes;” “those who belong to Him”….

        Let’s look at some other verses that support this.

        Matthew 24:30-31

        30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

        31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

        So even here we see that He gathers His elect AT HIS COMING.

        1 Thessalonians 4:15-17; this is often referred to as the “Rapture verse.”

        1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

        15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

        16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

        17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

        So again, we see that the second resurrection takes place at Yeshua’s next coming.

        And now, the third resurrection: Back to verse 24.

        1 Corinthians 15:24

        24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power

        There have been some that say this text is only talking about believers. However, if we look at the beginning of this text in 1 Corinthians, the context is all about ALL men.

        Consider:

        1 Corinthians 15:21-23

        21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

        22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

        23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.

        The context of these verses is the resurrection of ALL men. All men are going to be raised. Each in his own turn. Not just believers.

        Even Daniel says the same thing about all being raised. It just wasn’t defined as being two separate resurrections then.

      • ex Prophet

        (8 of 25)

        Compare:

        Daniel 12:2

        2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt

        So, we saw the first resurrection being Yeshua. It then explained the resurrection of those who belong to Yeshua. And now we see the rest.

        1 Corinthians 15:24

        24 Then cometh the end [NOT “will come”], when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

        Another confirmation to this is found in John 5.

        John 5:28

        28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

        Acts 24:14-15

        14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

        15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

        Compare now this verse with what we read earlier in Revelation 20.

        Revelation 20:5

        (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.

        And now, to confirm with 1 Corinthians, let’s read Revelation 20:12-13.

        Revelation 20:12-13

        12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

        13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

        With this in mind, we see just how Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15.

        1 Corinthians 15:24

        Then the end [ ], when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.

        And here we see in Revelation, the last resurrection just before He hands everything over to the Father. So we see Yeshua resurrected as the first fruits, those who belong to Him resurrected at His coming, and the rest of the dead resurrected at the end just before He hands everything over.

      • ex Prophet

        (9 of 25)

        Another Scripture that the pre-trib view seems to over look is Acts 3:21

        Acts 3:21

        21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

        Here we see that Yeshua must remain in heaven until the restoration is to happen.

        Thus, He can’t leave heaven until the Day of the Lord.

        When discussing this with my youth pastor many years ago, he told me that Yeshua never leaves heaven at the time of the rapture. He said that heaven basically opens up and we all go up there with Him. It sounded good at the moment. That is until I read back over the verse noted by many as the “rapture verse.” It says…

        1 Thessalonians 4:15-16

        15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

        16 For the Lord himself SHALL DESCEND FROM HEAVEN with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

        So here we have the “rapture verse” telling us that He leaves heaven.

        Thus, when Yeshua leaves heaven, it’s for the restoration of all things before the millennium at His return.

        Another Issue that needs to be addressed is that of the mystery at the trumpet.

        1 Corinthians 15:51-52

        51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed — 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound.

        Notice there is a mystery. And what happens at the mystery? A trumpet sounds. At this trumpet we are changed. This is the resurrection. Again, a mystery, trumpet and resurrection.

        Let us now compare this to Revelation…

        Revelation 10:7

        7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

        If you go to the verses just before the seventh trumpet blows, you see the two witnesses raised to life. I believe it’s possible that all followers of Yeshua join them as it appears they seem to be resurrected since they are taken up.

        The question here is this… Do we think Paul, writing to the Corinthians really knew about the 7th (last) trumpet of Revelation. Not at all. Nor do I believe that John, when writing Revelation, was reflecting on what Paul wrote to the Corinthians.

        However, I believe the Father is the One truly giving us these verses through these authors by way of the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. In that light, is it really that hard to see these verses being tied together in such a way? At the very least, one can say it’s interesting.

      • ex Prophet

        (10 of 25)

        The next thing to consider when looking at the Pre-tribulation rapture view is the phrase “at that time.”

        Consider:

        Matthew 24:29-31

        29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

        30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

        31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

        Immediately AFTER the tribulation! What time? When sun is darkened, the moon does not give its light and the stars fall. So what happens at that time? He gathers His elect.

        The big question here is, “Who is the elect?” Some like to say that the elect are the 144,000. But is this really the case? Let’s look to the Scriptures and see just who the elect really is.

        Please consider:

        Romans 11:7

        7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

        2 Timothy 2:10

        Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect.

        Titus 1:1

        Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ for the faith of God’s elect.

        1 Peter 1:1

        Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to God’s elect, strangers in the world.

        To who? God’s elect. We are the elect. We are the ones who He gathers at that time.

        Let us briefly look at Luke’s account of this same text found in Matthew 24.

        Luke 21:27-28

        27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

        28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

        What things?

        Many who hold to the pre-trib view use this verse in saying, “See? Look. When these things begin to take place.”

        The question though here is, “What things?” To answer this, we need to clarify the definitives that Yeshua gives us in this text.

      • ex Prophet

        (11 of 25)

        In talking to His disciples, He says in Luke 21:

        Luke 21:12

        12 But before all these, they shall (definitive) lay their hands on you, and (definitive) persecute you, delivering(definitive) you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought (definitive) before kings and rulers for my name’s sake.

        The mere fact that He says “all on account of my name” clearly lets us know that He is talking about believers here.

        Continuing on:

        Luke 21:13-14

        13 This will result in your being witnesses to them. (definitive) 14 But make up your mind not to worry beforehand how you will defend yourselves.

        Verse 16:

        Luke 21:16-17

        16 You will be betrayed even by parents (definitive), brothers, relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death. 17 All men will hate you because of me. (again definitive)

        Luke 21:20

        When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies (definitive… Not if, but when), you will know that its desolation is near.

        All these are definitives as to what He declared his followers would INDEED see.

        Continuing with verse 25:

        Luke 21:25

        25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

        Now verse 28:

        Luke 21:28

        28 And when THESE things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

        When these things begin. Those which is mentioned in verse 25. At verse 12 we see the definitives of what we are going to see.

        Why would He take us out before seeing the things He’s telling us that we are going to see?

        Thus, verse 25 is when we are going to lift up our heads.

        Another topic that needs to be addressed is that of the “Day of Redemption.”

        Ephesians 1:14

        14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

      • ex Prophet

        (12 of 25)

        Ephesians 4:30

        And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

        “For the day of redemption.” Singular. Not “days,” but “day.”

        Romans 8:23

        Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.

        Philippians 3:20-21

        20 Our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ,

        21 who, by the power that enables Him to bring everything under His control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like His glorious body.

        “Will transform our lowly bodies.”

        When He comes, He will redeem our bodies and transform them on the “Day of redemption.” Singular.

        Another thing for us to consider in reviewing the pre-trib view is the parable given in Luke 19.

        Consider:

        Luke 19:12-13

        12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.

        13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.

        “Until I come back.”

        The parable continues and when we see the master come back the servants come to him. The first one comes and says how he earned 10 minas. The master responds with “Well done” and puts him in charge of 10 cities.

        Then the next servant came with how he earned 5. “Well done” says the master and puts him in charge of 5 cities.

        Remember, He said, “until I come back.” What happens when Yeshua comes back? We will rule and reign with Him in the millennium.

        2 Timothy 2:12

        If we endure, we will also reign with Him.

        Revelation 20:6

        Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

        So what does this tell us? We are to continue steadfast until He comes to reign, and that’s when we get to reign with Him.

      • ex Prophet

        (13 of 25)

        There are many debates that are brought up in discussing this topic with those who hold to the Pre-tribulation view.

        The first, that is usually brought up, is that which is called the “Restrainer.” There are several views as to just who the “restrainer” truly is. One view is that it is actually the church, basically saying that the Antichrist cannot come until the church has been raptured away.

        So let’s examine the verses where the restrainer is found. They are found in 2 Thessalonians chapter 2.

        2 Thessalonians 2:1-2

        Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
        2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

        First, we must note that the topic here is all about us being gathered to Yeshua. This is important to note. There are three things mentioned here.

        1) The coming of Yeshua,

        2) Being gathered to Him and

        3) The Day of the Lord.

        This tells us that the coming of Yeshua and our being gathered to Him equals the Day of the Lord.

        Because this is so important to understand, let’s establish a small timeline here.

        On this line we see where the Day of the Lord begins. With the understanding that the Day of the Lord is when Yeshua returns and our being gathered to Him takes place. Now let’s continue to verse 3.

        2 Thessalonians 2:3

        3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

        This verse just told us that the Day of the Lord (His return and our being gathered to Him) cannot begin until the man of lawlessness is revealed.

        Telling us what?

        That it is NOT the church who is holding Him back. Thus the church cannot be the restrainer.

        So, on the timeline, the man of lawlessness needs to be in front of when the Day of the Lord begins.

        Continuing:

        2 Thessalonians 2:4-6

        Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
        5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

        6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

        Here we see that there is indeed something holding the Antichrist back, but it obviously is not the church. So, on our timeline, working backwards, we see the Day of the Lord beginning after the revealing of the Antichrist, which takes place after the restrainer is taken out of the way. Next verse:

        2 Thessalonians 2:7-8

        7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

        8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

        • For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 2Thessaloians 5:7-8
          How is it you cannot see that is the Holy Spirit working within the church, restraining evil? Do you think the devil is restraining himself? ha!

          • Child of god

            Amen sister patricia! Destruction is always restrained until the Lord removes his people to safety. Examples: Israel in the land of Goshen before the plagues, Lot out of sodom, Noah and his family in the ark, etc.

      • ex Prophet

        (14 of 25)

        There are many opinions as to who this restrainer really is. I currently hold that this is actually Michael the Archangel. This may sound strange at first, but please consider the similarities.

        Daniel 12:1

        And at that time (the end) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

        The word ‘stand up’ here in the Hebrew is omed. It actually means to stand still, to cease from action. We must remember, the context of this verse describes Michael as the one who protects the people. If he is protecting, he’s not sitting. He’s protecting. Thus, now, at this moment, he stands still. He ceases from protecting.

        And at that time, it will be a time of great distress as the verse says.

        Knowing that Michael is the one who protects the people, does it not sound like he could be the one who is actually holding the Antichrist back? This is not something that I believe can be declared as gospel truth. However, it does seem to line up with Scripture in that he could easily be the restrainer who holds the Antichrist back until the beginning of it all. But we can definitely see that the restrainer is not the church.

        Another topic brought up for defending the pre-trib view is that which is referred to as the “Picture.” It’s found in Revelation 4.

        Revelation 4:1-2

        After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
        2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

        Many say that this is the “picture” of the church being raptured out because the church is never mentioned from this moment on in Revelation. To which, I agree. The word “church” is never mentioned from this moment on. However, “saints” ARE mentioned hereafter.

        So just because the word “church” is not mentioned, this does not mean that the church itself is not there. Some are quick to say that these are the tribulation saints. But again, this is a term that is found nowhere in Scripture. So the question then becomes, “Who are the saints?”

        Romans 1:7

        7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

        1 Corinthians 6:1-2

        Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
        2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

        • Child of god

          Remember leviathan in Job only God and only him can restrain satan. When satan was disputing with micheal about the body of Moses remember what micheal said to satan “The Lord rebuke thee”
          God bless

          • Edwitness

            Child of God,
            There is one other. The church, the body of believers, with the power of God working in them can restrain evil. “…and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” We have been given the ministry of reconciliation.
            Blessings:-]

      • ex Prophet

        (15 of 25)

        Here we see the saints will judge the world. And then these here are told that they will be the ones judging the world. Meaning what? They are the saints.

        Rom. 16:1-2

        I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:
        2 That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.

        The saints ARE the church.

        And we clearly see the saints, the church, in the tribulation after Revelation chapter 4.

        Yet, regarding “pictures” as assumed for Revelation 4:1 and 2, please consider the following.

        Isaiah 46:10

        10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

        “From ancient times, what is still to come.” The ancient times are the pictures of what is to come.

        What are the ancient times that we learn from? Those that could indeed be “PICTURES” of illustrations for us.

        Consider Noah. The day they entered the ark, what happened? The rains came down (Genesis 7:11-13).

        Consider Lot and his family. The day they left, judgment fell (Genesis 19).

        Consider Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego. They went through the flames. Yet, they were protected (Daniel 3).

        Consider the Ten Plagues. From the fourth one on, God’s people were exempt from the plagues. Though they were there they were protected and not affected (Exodus 7-12).

        Pictures. These are the pictures we are to consider.

        Isaiah 46:10

        10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

        This brings up the next topic that is often mentioned when defending the pre-trib view. That topic is the “Wrath.”

        The statement often said is, “We are not called to suffer wrath.”

        And I completely agree. So let’s look at that verse.

        1 Thessalonians 5:9

        9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

      • ex Prophet

        (16 of 25)

        God’s wrath AND redemption on the same day. Though we covered Noah and Lot, consider here how even Yeshua refers to them both in this light.

        Luke 17:26-30

        26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

        27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

        28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

        29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

        30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

        Yeshua Himself is showing us wrath and redemption happen on the same day. Consider also 2 Thessalonians.

        2 Thessalonians 1:5-8

        5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

        6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;

        7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

        8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

        Again, here we see wrath and redemption on the same day with the return of Yeshua.

        Again, I agree that we are NOT called to suffer the wrath of God. Never. But we must also remember the Hebrews were protected during the judgments of the Ten Plagues. First, He indeed declares them as judgments.

        Exodus 6:6

        6 Wherefore say unto the children of Israel, I am the Lord, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will rid you out of their bondage, and I will redeem you with a stretched out arm, and with great judgments:

        Then, as stated before, from the fourth plague on, we see the Hebrews being protected.

        Exodus 8:22

        22 And I will sever in that day the land of Goshen, in which my people dwell, that no swarms of flies shall be there; to the end thou mayest know that I am the Lord in the midst of the earth.

        So the Father knows how to protect His people in the midst of pouring out His judgments on the rest.

        Indeed, I agree that we are not called to suffer any wrath. However, the wrath of man, well, that’s a different story. That’s not guaranteed. In fact, I believe the tribulation will be used as a time of refinement FOR the church.

        However, we must understand that there is an element of God’s wrath that is truly displayed every day. Let’s look at some verses regarding the wrath of God that could apply to a daily form.

      • ex Prophet

        (17 of 25)

        Psalm 7:11

        God is a righteous judge, a God who expresses His wrath every day.

        When does God express His wrath? Every day.

        2 Peter 2:9

        9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

        John 3:36

        36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

        Ephesians 2:3

        3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

        And consider here in Revelation.

        Revelation 15:1

        And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

        He’s telling us right here that this is the completion of His wrath. The last of it all. Even when one looks at the end of the millennium when Satan is loosed, it says he deceives many. But then fire then comes down from heaven and destroys those who follow him. Yet there is no wrath mentioned. There’s not even a fight. He simply wipes them out and then prepares for the final judgment.

        Revelation is where God concludes His wrath, not starts it.

        The next topic often referred to in defending the pre-trib view is that of the church of Philadelphia in Revelation 3. Let’s look at it in the light of the pre-tribulation rapture.

        Revelation 3:10

        10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

        If one holds to the belief that Yeshua is taking this church out from the world because of this one text that says “I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world,” they are assuming that being kept from this temptation requires being “raptured” out of this world.

        When in fact, this is the very opposite of what Yeshua prays in John 17.

        John 17:15

        15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

        Here we see Yeshua praying that they are not taken out but rather protected from the evil one. This being the case, why would Yeshua do something opposite in Revelation to what He prayed for here in John 17?

      • ex Prophet

        (18 of 25)

        Yet it is clear that this church is indeed protected from something for some time. If we harmonize it with Yeshua’s prayer, we see that they will be protected from the evil one during this time.

        Another verse that is often brought up in defending the pre-trib view is found in Luke.

        Luke 21:36

        36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

        We have two things to pray for here.

        1) to escape all things that are coming and

        2) that we may be able to stand before the Son of Man.

        Let’s read the verse again and we’ll see there are clearly two things to pray for and not one wrapped together.

        Luke 21:36

        36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

        This verse is very similar to what is given to the churches of Revelation. Just as the church of Philadelphia was to escape the hard times of the tribulation. We are encouraged by Yeshua to pray that we escape as they. Just as all churches in Revelation were encouraged to be steadfast and overcome so they can receive eternal life, we see the same here that we may be able to stand before the Son of Man.

        To make this text say anything other truly opposes the harmony of all Scripture.

        Another argument given in defending the pre-trib rapture is that we can’t know the day when Yeshua returns.

        Many are quick to mention that Yeshua himself said, “No man knows about that day or hour.”

        He did say that.

        So let’s address these statements as they are and see what we come up with.

        First we have Matthew 24:35-36 where it says:

        Matthew 24:35-36

        35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

        36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

        If we look at the context here, we see that the day and hour referred to here is when Heaven and earth pass away. Which only makes sense as there are several events given after the millennium that have no time frames allocated to them.

        They are

        1) the season that Satan is loosed;

        2) The preparation for the final battle where fire comes down from Heaven and destroys the enemy; and

        3) the Great White Throne Judgment.

        It is after these events that have no time designated to them, that the new Heaven and Earth appear. Thus, the context is in verse 35. “That day” is referring back to the day of heaven and earth passing away.

      • ex Prophet

        (19 of 25)

        In reference to the return of Yeshua, the text that follows verse 36 describes that of the days of Noah. We obviously know that those who were to be judged in the days of Noah did not know the day or hour that the judgment was to come. However, seven days before the day of judgment came, Noah was informed of the day and was protected. Though it’s important to note he did not know the hour.

        Compare:

        Genesis 7:4

        4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

        He did not know the hour but he DID know the day. Let’s not forget that the Scriptures are cyclical. Showing us patterns and pictures of how the Father works. This is also in harmony with Amos.

        Amos 3:7

        7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

        Again, those being judged did not know when the judgment was coming while the righteous, Noah, did know.

        Many are then quick to refer to verse 42.

        Matthew 24:42

        42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

        Again, this is just after Yeshua parallels His coming with the flood of Noah. The people who did not know the timing of the flood were taken away while those who did were protected.

        Verse 42 is where Yeshua is telling His disciples to “be on the alert.” Why? Because they did not know (present tense) when the Lord was returning.

        Let’s now look at the following verses to show how He explains the previous statement.

        Matthew 24:43-44

        43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

        44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

        If you notice, He doesn’t say that the owner would have known the time because he watched BUT RATHER that he would have watched because he knew the time. Read that part again.

        So if we follow the Lord’s command to be alert and watch, that means we will know the day of His return, just as the home owner would have, just not the hour.

      • ex Prophet

        (20 of 25)

        Again, He doesn’t say that the owner would have known the time because he watched, but rather that he would have watched because he knew the time.

        Matthew 24:43-44

        43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

        44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

        So if we follow the Lord’s command to be alert and watch, that means we will know the day of His return, just not the hour.

        If someone is coming to visit you on Friday, you don’t start looking for them on Wednesday do you? Of course not. You start looking for them on Friday around the time they said they would come. The same principle applies here.

        This makes all the more sense as we compare other verses that talk about knowing the timing of His return.

        Compare:

        1 Thessalonians 5:1-2

        But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
        2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

        But in whose perspective does He come like a thief in the night? To the believer or the unbeliever? To answer that question, let’s read verse 4.

        1 Thessalonians 5:4

        4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

        Revelation 3:3

        3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

        These two witnesses clearly show that Yeshua will come like a thief only to those who are not following Him. To those who are not watching. But those who are following Him will know when to start looking for Him. Only those who are to be judged will stay in the dark of not knowing.

        If you are walking in the light and pursuing His feasts (according to His times and seasons) set in place from the beginning, then you will know when the Messiah will come.

        Remember, He fulfilled the Spring Feast days to the day at His first coming.

        And He will do likewise for the Fall Feast days at His return.

        Many also use Matthew 25 to say that we will not know the day. It reads:

        Matthew 25:11-13

        11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

        12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

        13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

        To understand this, we must keep the context. Let’s read the verses before.

      • ex Prophet

        (21 of 25)

        Matthew 25:5-10

        5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

        6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

        7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.

        8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

        9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

        10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut

        These are representative of all “believers.” Notice how they all fell asleep. But yet at the end only those who were ready were allowed in. This parallels exactly with what we see in Revelation 3:3 and 1 Thessalonians 5:4.

        Many refer specifically to verse 13 of this text.

        Matthew 25:13

        Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.

        But our question is this: Does it say “you WILL not know” or “you DO not know”?

        It says “You DO not know.”

        Did Noah know the day the flood was coming during the 100 years of making the ark? No. He didn’t. Did the virgins know the day of the bridegroom’s return at the beginning? No. Of course not. But was Noah eventually informed of the day? Yes. He was. Were the virgins informed of the return of the bridegroom? Yes. They were. And half were not prepared and missed it.

        “Present tense” – vs. – that of “future tense.”

        This is the issue that we are truely discussing. In all the verses that we have found, the only thing given that we will not know in light of future tense is that of the “hour” and these are in harmony with that of Noah and the virgins.

        Some have even referred to Acts 1:6-7 for their defense as well. It reads:

        Acts 1:6-7

        6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

        7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

        As evidenced from Revelation 3:3 and 1 Thessalonians 5:4, the Scriptures indicate that we will know the times and season. Remember, in contrast to this verse in Acts, Christ also said that we WILL know the season.

        Compare:

        Matthew 24:32-33

        32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

        33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

      • ex Prophet

        (22 of 25)

        Thus, His words in Acts 1 seem to contradict those in Matthew 24.

        This leads us to wonder if Yeshua was actually meaning that those very individuals who heard Him speaking there in Acts 1 wouldn’t know the times and seasons since they obviously wouldn’t be around in the end times. There is much debate over these verses in Acts 1. However, I believe that all Scripture is to be interpreted in perfect harmony with each other. If we interpret something that does not line up with other Scripture, then our interpretations are making the Scriptures contradict each other.

        Another verse that is often cited for the pre-trib view is John 14:1-3. It reads:

        John 14:1-3

        Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
        2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

        3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

        This verse clearly says “I will come back and take you to be with me”.

        Now, if one is going to hold to the pre-trib view, please consider the logic that is being used through this verse.

        He takes us up to heaven to the place He has been preparing for us for 2,000 years. We then stay there at that place for seven years. We then come back down with Him at His return and reign with him for the millennium on earth. Then after the millennium a NEW heaven and NEW earth appear. Telling us what? The place that He has been preparing for us for the last 2,000 years, according to verse 3, will only be occupied by us for seven years as we come down for the millennium and then comes the NEW heaven and NEW earth. He prepares it for 2,000 years and we’re only there for seven. Does that even make sense?

        Lastly, some time ago a book series came out titled Left Behind. The whole premise of the series was about those who missed the pre-tribulation rapture. Meaning, if you were left behind, you missed the resurrection and will face the time of the tribulation.

        These books became a huge hit in the modern day church. Even had some movies made after them.

        Let’s let Scripture speak for itself and see what it has to say about who exactly is “left behind” and who is taken away.

        First off, what does Yeshua say in Matthew 24:29-31?

        Matthew 24:29-31

        29 Immediately AFTER the distress of those days ‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ 30 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

        • ex Prophet, if you can’t understand about the mansions in heaven what will you do when you see every believer, the seed of faithful Abraham, getting each a solar system? Oh yes… a star for each one if you can number them. ha! What will you do when you see us travel at the speed of thought in our glorified bodies?

          • bremertonchristian

            You want your own solar system huh. I’ll be happy to remain in the same solar system as my Savior. Good luck with that.

          • Child of god

            What own solar sytem? Our reward is with him the Lord Jesus Christ.

      • ex Prophet

        (23 of 25)

        When are the elect gathered? After the days of tribulation, not before.

        Let’s examine the Scriptures more closely to see who is left and who is taken. In Matthew 24:37-41, Yeshua says,

        37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

        38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

        39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

        40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

        41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

        So, who is left behind? The righteous (Noah and his family). Who is taken? The wicked.

        Also, let’s examine the parable of the wheat and the tares in Matthew13:24-30 to see if there is a second witness to this.

        Matthew13:24-30

        24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

        25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

        26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

        27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

        28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

        29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

        30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

        What harvest is being spoken of? The end time harvest. Again, who is taken? The tares (the unrighteous).

        Consider the words of Yeshua as He explains this parable to His disciples. Matthew 13:36-43 says:

        Matthew 13:36-43

        36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

        37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

        38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

        39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

        40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

        41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

        42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

        43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

        • ex Prophet, Noah’s ark was not left behind, they were on a journey with God, like we will be: all those who believe and obey our Lord and look for his coming; in a twinkling of an eye… we shall not all sleep but we shall all be changed. 1Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

      • ex Prophet

        (24 of 25)

        So again, we see the tares (unrighteous) being taken and the wheat (righteous) being left to shine forth.

        Let’s look at another witness to this. Luke 17:23-37 says:

        Luke 17:23-35

        23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.

        24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.

        25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.

        26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

        27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

        28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

        29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

        30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

        31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

        32 Remember Lot’s wife.

        33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

        34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

        35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

        Again, who is taken? The wicked. Who is left? The righteous.

        Consider even Proverbs 10:29-30 says:

        Proverbs 10:29-30

        29 The way of the Lord is strength to the upright: but destruction shall be to the workers of iniquity.

        30 The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth.

        After looking at what the Scriptures say about this topic, are you really certain you DON’T WANT to be “LEFT BEHIND”?

        All that being said, I am sometimes asked as to when I see the return of Yeshua actually happening. How I see it playing out with the Fall Feast days. Remember, we know Yeshua fulfilled, TO THE DAY, the spring Holy days.

        And it is in this light that it only makes sense He will return within the Fall Holy days.

        Obviously, I am still watching like everyone else. And I believe that as the time draws closer and we all continue to keep watch, we will all be able to see and know His return.

        Could it be on the Day of Trumpets? That would make sense for the last trumpet to sound.

        Could it be on the Day of Atonement? Every 50 years two silver trumpets are to be blown on the Day of Atonement to announce the next Jubilee.

        Could it be on the first day of Tabernacles? This would be the first day that Yeshua would indeed be tabernacling with us and it would also better match the 1,260 days from the Passover 3½ years earlier when many believe the Antichrist could begin his rule.

        I am open. But more than anything, I am watching.

      • ex Prophet

        (25 of 25)

        I ask you, are you defending your belief or are you seeking truth?

        I know that this is not an easy teaching to hear, especially if you have been brought up all your life believing the pre-trib view.

        Many years ago I had to re-learn practically everything I had been taught in church since I was a young boy…

        The Jesuits are masters of “theological distraction” and they have believers looking at one spot (in time) when they should be looking at a different spot.

        I simply ask that you stay open to the Spirit in examining the Scriptures.

        And remember:

        Isaiah 1:18

        “Come now, let us reason together,” says (Yahuwah) the LORD.

        P.S. –

        Does the church understand that it IS Israel – or believe that it’s a separate entity?

        It doesn’t take much digging to find out the truth on this matter.

        • bremertonchristian

          119 ministries?

        • AndrewA

          Read and understood what most of your points where. Have a few questions if you don’t mind.

          You talked about the resurrections around 6-10 of your 25. It was hard to figure out what you where trying to say about when everyone would be raised. As some of your explanations to verses seemed contradictory on a first and 2nd read.

          Where you saying all would be raised at the great White Throne.

          Or that Jesus was first. Followed by the righteous at the start of the millinum followed by the unrighteous at the very end?

          On the Parable of the wheat and tares. Could this be a parable talking about the millennium kingdom period and not the time of Jacobs trouble?

          Finally and this will help me better understand what you have written.

          Could you answer the PS question?

          Do you see the Church as Israel or a separate entity that is also apart of the Kingdom of God or do you think something completely different?

    • Brandon

      Check out my reply above, Brandon to Andrew A. Plenty more to add I know.

  • Walter Mintz

    Thanks for your article, Geoffrey. We learn something everytime we read the scriptures! To add to the case of pre-trib, a wonderful picture of that is Noah and the flood, where they took into the safety of the ark ( which is a picture of Christ) BEFORE THE FLOOD (a tribulation) began. Then as the flood subsided, it set down on the earth (with the saints inside)just as Christ will return to the earth with his saints at the Second Coming.

    Does that mean that the antichrist will come as a pseudo-Christian? I have read about Roman or Muslim or Greco-Syrian antichrists preached before. Revelation uses the word “beast” in a way that sounds more like an entity than a person.

    • The Antichrist comes as more than just a pseudo-Christian, he comes as Messiah Himself! The Antichrist starts out as a Devil-filled man – Judas – but that shell is soon cast off and the Devil takes the center stage.

      • Heather

        Geoffrey, what do you think about the possibility that the Antichrist may be both the False Prophet and the Antichrist two in one? I have always believed that there are the two, but we know that Satan aims to deceive and through all man’s past teachings, thats all thats been taught.He mimicks the Lord. Just as there is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Bible shows Dragon, Antichrist and False Prophet.
        The Beast will be the huge evil system that John saw trampling everything in its path on the earth. Since Satan gives his power to the Antichrist, why would the Antichrist need a side kick as the False Prophet? Perhaps he will be both spiritual and political. Sometimes when I’m reading the scriptures where it speaks of the False Prophet, it appears like its meaning is pointing to the Antichrist. Have you not noticed this?

        For example some people think pope francis is the false prophet, some think he’s the Antichrist. Many say they are confused because they can’t tell between the two when it comes to him. I believe the 10 kings are getting ready to hand over their power to the soon to be revived Roman Empire. One should study the symbol of the Vatican and what it stands for.
        I haven’t come to a conclusion in what I just brought up, but there may be a possibility that the two are ONE.
        The following link is very interesting from Rapture Ready. Unfortunately the writer of the article uses the NIV. But he put together a really good article showing the possibility. I know we won’t be here to experience all his murderous deeds when the time comes, but I wanted to see what you and others think of this idea of the two being one.

        https://www.raptureready.com/featured/gillette/false-prophet.html

  • Phony Name

    While this acronym may seem like a revelation in the English King James, how does it fare in the original Greek? If there were no English KJB, could we draw such a conclusion? (Please note that I too have switched to the KJB in recent years and am not against relying on this translation as at least the most known and reliable version we can refer to):

    Sop (English)= psómion (Greek)
    psómion: a fragment, morsel
    Original Word: ψωμίον, ου, τό
    Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
    Transliteration: psómion
    Phonetic Spelling: (pso-mee’-on)
    Short Definition: a bit, morsel
    Definition: a bit, morsel.

    How about in other languages? Are only the English speaking people able to garner such a revelation?

    • Well, for one, I do not speak Greek, do you? Secondly, I do not speak Hebrew, do you? Thirdly, God had mercy on me and gave me a Bible I can read, in English! And, what an AMAZING coincidence, the entire civilized world also speaks, reads and writes in English. Kind of leads you to believe God is not bound by language. Lastly, show me ONE command in either Testament where God tells a Christian to learn any specific language. And speaking of a Bible translated under the authority of a king, there’s this little gem:

      “Where the word of a king is, there is power: and who may say unto him, What doest thou?” Ecc 8:4 (KJV)

      But thanks for playing yet another round of The Higher Critics Word Games, was fun!

      • Phony Name

        While I’m sure you’ve become aggravated with attacks to your interpretations, please note that I read the article not with the intent to do so, but was genuinely intrigued by what revelation there might be.

        Should all opponents who question those who present such unique doctrines be labeled as critics? Should we not submit ourselves to the calm and meek judgement of one other (Gal 6:1), as the prophets were subject to (1 Cor 14:29)? Please note that you are presenting something new that has not been part of the core doctrines and ought to be subject to fair judgment for other believers. Were not even the least esteemed set to judge (1 Cor 6:4)?

        Have not many other false prophets been able to also assert their own interpretations while sidestepping the legitimate questions of those who questioned, merely to attack their motives and character when they could not provide a proper biblical answer? I kindly ask you to show yourself a true divider of the truth, as you claim, by directly addressing the issue I have stated and not to attack me as a critic, unbeliever, troller or otherwise as I have not done to you.

        If you can show that such a revelation is not limited to the English speaking world, which would be on the outer limits of biblical revelation, I will gladly attribute credit.

        As it is, the very fact that I am unlearned in Greek and Hebrew and many other things, yet was able questioned the validity of the interpretation would indicate at least a questionable imposition of personal and not spirit-inspired ideas. Can a more learned man who knows the Greek and Hebrew also attest to your interpretation?

        We all must be diligent not only with other false prophets in this age of deception, but even ourselves and to ensure that other spirits or our own evil flesh is not masquerading as the Holy Spirit. Test all things right (1 John 4:1)?

        While hard for the flesh to take, I would hope that my reply would speak to the thirst for truth in your inner man (Ps 51:6) and am confident you will receive it as such. I have been reading some other of your articles such as the difference between the day of Christ and the Day of the Lord which I had not contemplated before and have been open to believing as such.

        But with myself, I have had to come to the conclusion that there were times where my emotions tricked me into thinking some things were a revelation from God when it was not, and there have been times when I have definitely gotten revelation that stands today.

        May the Lord strip us all of vain knowledge and strife within the body and into fruit bearing knowledge that builds up the body of Christ in good works (Col 1:9-10).

        • Wendy

          That was very well written!!

      • [quote]
        “Well, for one, I do not speak Greek, do you? Secondly, I do not speak Hebrew, do you? Thirdly, God had mercy on me and gave me a Bible I can read, in English! And, what an AMAZING coincidence, the entire civilized world also speaks, reads and writes in English.” [end of quote]

        I myself speak French, Cantonese, Indonesian, and some Italian. I am not interested to learn a barbaric spoken language that contains words that mean what they sound like, like the words “crash” (the sound of something crashing, “splash” (the sound of something splashing in water), “scratch” (the sound of scratching), “clash”, “clink”, “slap”, “smack”, “thump”, etc…

        The first command of God to man after his creation is to “replenish the earth”:

        “So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. (Gen 1:27-28)

        But instead of replenishing the earth, men group themselves to build a city and a tower:

        “And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech. So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.” (Gen 11:6-9)

        Now With the English language forced as international language everywhere in the world, people do again what they had done at Babel, but at a greater scale: a one world government in a whole anti-Christian LGBT world.

        Time to God to come again…

      • Child of god

        Agreed they all heard the gospel in the their own tongue. I am bound, the word of God is not bound. I am amazed at how many Christians believe I have be able to speak and read greek, hebrew, aramaiac, and so on as if it’s not the Holy Spirit that truly teaches us concerning our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. 1John 2:27

        • BK

          I’m amazed at how many Christians DON’T understand the Greek and Hebrew!

          For decades I thought that I had been baptized with the Holy Spirit and Fire simply because I gave my life to God! – That’s not true though!

          It wasn’t until decades after I gave my life to Him that YHVH baptized me with His Holy Spirit and Fire (one day in my garage) after years of trials.

          He threw me face-down on the floor and almost killed me with HIS presence!
          I actually asked Him to take it easy on me!
          It was the most incredible experience I’ve ever had!

          He gave me revelation, after revelation, after revelation…!

          Since that day I have come to know the Greek and the Hebrew as the Holy Spirit taught me!

          I’ve never had any Greek or Hebrew “classes”.

          Like I said, I’m amazed at how many Christians DON’T understand the Greek and the Hebrew and yet they proclaim to be “born again”!

          • God gave me His infallible word in ENGLISH, no knowledge of Greek or Hebrew required. #KJVOnly

      • Edwitness

        Geoffrey,
        Thanks for the confirmation. And the cause for laughter. We have been truly blessed by a God that is not bound by language like men are. And in His providence He saw that most of the world would speak the language He had it translated into. I had not thought of that before. How cool is that!! What an awesome God we serve.
        MARANATHA!
        Blessings:-}

    • Gabriele Dopplinger

      thank you, just my words!

  • Gabriele Dopplinger

    oh Geoffrey, your far-fetched interpretation makes it necessary for the Bible having been written in KJ-English! But it wasn’t! And although I went to Bible College in California I am Austrian and have been reading the best translation, closest to the original text (Elberfelder), in German for the last 30 years. There it says something that doesn’t abbreviate for “son of perdition”. Neither does it do so in Greek or Hebrew. There are no other scriptures for the return of Jude in the Bible. I’m happy YOU are happy and maybe you’ll be right but to post it as “prophetic revelation” is a bit too much even for a “liberal” Christian. But I agree with you totally in the fact, that we are not to watch out for the antichrist. We’ll recognise him when he’s here – after all, we have the Holy Spirit living in us 😉

    • Ummmm, no, I did not post this as a “prophetic revelation”, that would make me a prophet which I am not. But I did post it as a Bible study for those who can receive it. if I am wrong, then throw it out. But if you spend any less than a full hour running the references and praying for the Holy Spirit to confirm it to you, then you have not done your due diligence as a Bible berean.

      And yes, the KJV 1611 does appear to contain “advanced revelation”, good catch!

      Thanks!

  • Andrew

    It behooves me to no end, that you, and others like you, (the church in general), still insist on teaching this FALSE DOCTRINE of the RAPTURE of the “church”……nowhere in scripture, NOWHERE!! does it ever mention the word “Rapture”…..it is a false doctrine of man passed down through the centuries and then accepted as truth…..you and others like you, are perpetuating a lie, you’re adding to the word of this book of prophecy, which is clearly forbidden…Deut 4:2, 12:32, Rev 22:18, 19.

    Everyone is going to go through the Great Tribulation, we’re all going to be tried, by fire….the refiners fire, Moshiach Yahusha and His Abba/Father Yahuah….read the parable of the “Sower of Good Seed” or darnel in the Hebrew…..MattitYahu/Matt 13:24-30, 36-43

    24 Another parable He put before them, saying, “The reign of the heavens has become like a man who sowed good seed in his field, 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed darnel among the wheat and went away. 26 “And when the blade sprouted and bore fruit, then the darnel also appeared. 27 “And the servants of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? From where then does it have the darnel?’ 28 “And he said to them, ‘A man, an enemy did this.’ And the servants said to him, ‘Do you wish then, that we go and gather them up?’ 29 “But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the darnel you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 ‘Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I shall say to the reapers, “First gather the darnel and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my granary.” ’ ” ……….36 Then, having sent the crowds away, יהושע went into the house. And His taught ones came to Him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the darnel of the field.” 37 And He answering, said to them, “He who is sowing the good seed is the Son of Aḏam, 38 and the field is the world. And the good seed, these are the sons of the reign, but the darnel are the sons of the wicked one, 39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil. And the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the messengers. 40 “As the darnel, then, is gathered and burned in the fire, so it shall be at the end of this age. 41 “The Son of Aḏam shall send out His messengers, and they shall gather out of His reign all the stumbling-blocks, and those doing lawlessness, 42 and shall throw them into the furnace of fire – there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 “Then the righteous*n2 shall shine forth as the sun in the reign of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

    This clearly explains, that the wicked will be taken out of the way 1st, and the Righteous will be left to shine forth……So, as for me, my hope is to be one of those who is left behind to shine forth in the very end. So the very teaching of this “Rapture” concept, is not only unscriptural, but is leading many, many astray in the process……please repent of this folly and return to teaching real truth…Shalom

    • First of all, it is never actually called the Great Tribulation in the Bible. The Bible calls it the Time of Jacob’s Trouble, and we all know what God changed Jacob’s name to – Israel. It is the time of Israel’s trouble.

      “Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.” Jeremiah 30:7 (KJV)

      Secondly, Matthew 24 has NOTHING to do with the Rapture of the Church, Revelation 4:1, it is talking about the Second Coming from Revelation 19:14.

      THE BIBLE BELIEVER’S GUIDE TO UNDERSTANDING THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE RAPTURE AND THE SECOND: http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=32728

      • Gideon

        The tribulation and Jacobs trouble 2 distinctly different.

    • lorraine

      Satan is such a liar, please try and see through him !!! He has got most of the church believing there is no bride or marriage supper. It’s called ruling and reigning, waiting to usher in the return of Jesus Christ. We are all aware of that teaching. You guys are in for a surprise.. .guess who that’ll be ??? .. . too late then.

      • Right about the marriage supper, Lorraine, and I was just trying to point out that the mortal wound could be to the head of a nation since the beast does have the 7 heads. Revelation 13:1-3 🙂

    • Comforter

      AGREED 100%

  • The great falling away is as follows: NO ONE IS PAYING ATTENTION TO GOD ALMIGHTY, LORD OF HOST, THE GREAT I AM, MY FATHER!!!! HE PUT HIS TEN COMMANDMENTS FOR TO FOLLOW!!!! WHO IS DOING THAT!!!! WHO??????? AS I CAN SEE NO ONE!!! NO OTHER GODS BEFORE HIM!!!!!!! NOTHING!!! ARE YOU A SHEPARD??? WHY THEN ARE YOU SKATING AROUND HIS COMMANDMENTS!!! GOD IS VERY CLEAR, HE SAID BELIEVES IN HIS SON…IT DOES NOT SAY TO WORSHIP!!!! Are your eyes blind??? Do you not hear? Do NOT ADD TO OR TAKE AWAY!!! YOU AS MOST EVERYONE IS DOING THAT by putting HIS son right next to or above God!!! I am not wrong, as I repeat HIS COMMANDMENTS, there the same then as now!!! God DOES NOT CHANGE! I pray you and others see this, sadly it says few will enter the kingdom of heaven! Oh how I want many as I know MY FATHER DOES! There is one God, MY FATHER, THE CREATOR OF EVERYTHING! Jesus DID NOT CREATE YOU!!!! why is he getting the glory?? HE WAS DOING THE WILL OF HIS FATHER!!!! Now, I will be still and KNOW THAT THE GOD I SERVE IS GOD ALMIGHTY, MY SAVIOR, MY SUSTAINER, MY EVERYTHING! THY KINGDOM COME, THY WILL BE DONE, ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN! Satan even knows, and he might change his heart and seek God! It is possible, for what is impossible for man…it so very possible for MY FATHER!!! pray for your enemies, the father of lies, the one kick out of heaven, he is my biggest enemy, I pray for him.. do you? Probably not as most do not. When two or more are gathered together…there is LOVE!! I may stand alone on this earth….but I KNOW I STAND WITH MY FATHER, NEXT TO HIM, THE AUTHOR OF LOVE, HE IS MY WITNESS!!! HIS TEN COMMANDMENTS ARE LAW, no one knows them or cares….THAT IS THR GREAT FALLING AWAY!!

    • SMH. According to the Bible, is God the Father physical or spiritual?

      • lorraine

        I think God the Father along with the Spirit and the Son will be physical and spiritual in heaven. The SPIRIT AND THE SON ARE GOING TO BE BACK INTO THE BOSOM OF THE FATHER? Back as the Godhead.
        Once we have hot our new bodies we may not have the Holy spirit in us anymore. That maybe after the 1000 years though.
        But during our rule and reign on earth, Jesus will be our husband. What a thought. !!!!
        There seemed to be always 2 parts of the Godhead in heaven. Remember Jesus said He has to go back to the Father or He would not be able to send the Holy Spirit here. The Holy Spirit will be taking us to heaven.
        God in any form or part of the Godhead, I don’t think will be on the the earth while it is being destroyed during the tribulation. Thoughts ???
        The 144000 will be sealed and they were before the destruction starts. The Bible says so that nothing will harm them.there obviously will be another rapture once their job is done.
        Sad to say that everybody on earth will be “on their own” so to speak and will have to use their previous knowledge and willpower not to take the mark. That’s my belief.
        So to all unbelievers ,,,,you will either have to lay your life down now and submit to Jesus while He is available OR then when you’re on your own. Better now! Blessings….

  • Peterson

    Gabriele Dopplinger – Great job on your last post – thankful for people like you. I believe according to Scripture that satan incarnat will manifest in an Earthly man and take/make use of him. Though Mr. Grider gives reason in Scripture, that it will be the spirit of Judas, well it doesn’t hold dipping sauce to me.
    Using Scripture, rightly divided, Mr. Grider looks for “clues”, which is the constant error that he has in his ways but it is because HOLY GOD SPIRIT is the one who teaches and HE doesn’t have to look for clues. Looking for clues in the Scriptures using Rome’s – Italian ways of eating, seem rather perverse to me, considering the large matter he writes of.
    Looking for clues in Scripture to sway others looks, a lot like a false teacher to me. It is a foundation of having a preconceived notion about what you want to portray to others and then going to the Scriptures to make it happen.

    One who is taught my HOLY GOD SPIRIT – i rest my case.

  • Hi Geoffrey,

    I enjoyed the above article and also believe the Bible in Matthew 24 when it tells us concerning the rapture, “40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.”

    The Bible tells us that we will not know the day or hour, but we can know the season as the parable of the fig tree indicates. I believe that you have hit upon an important point when it comes to recognizing the season. The season will be heralded when the Church betrays the very foundations of our faith.

    It was John who first coined the term ‘antichrist’ yet John never once used the term in the Book of Revelation to describe the Beast from the Land, (the False Prophet). John always spoke of the antichrist as being a spirit.

    The Son of Perdition as you explain in the article as referring to Judas Iscariot amply describes the spiritual condition of those who call themselves “Christian” today. Many who call themselves Christian only believe what is convenient for them. They have left the truth and in so doing have betrayed the Lord Jesus Christ, just as Judas Iscariot did. They use their own perverted theology to justify their sin and their sinful lifestyles.

    Jesus died on the cross and was resurrected so that we may overcome sin in our lives and not as an excuse to allow sin in our lives. When we start excusing sin, we set ourselves up as Judge and not Jesus. We have betrayed our Savior, God and King.

    • Matthew 24 is not the Rapture of the Church, please read this: http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=32798

      • Ima

        The entire civilized world speaks English? Congratulations for writing the most ignorant statement I’ve read today.

        • What language is absolute time, temperature, and location in? You might want to do your research before calling someone ignorant.

          • george saved

            Hi Jimmy

            We live most of the time all over Asia and temperature & location is NOT in English, wish it was, would have saved us getting lost countless times.

        • I’ve been in the U.S. Military over 12 yrs and have traveled all around the world. ABSOLUTE time and location is ENGLISH, based in England. If any man alive knows anything about time and location, they’re familiar with English.

          • george saved

            Well you must be absolutely right then, how could you possibly be wrong?
            You know Jimmy, i’m wondering if your 12 years military global exposure is perhaps not as exhaustive as you think – Where were you in Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, China, Mindanao? Because thats what I’m talking about..

          • Ian Hausser

            Totally agree, been all around the world too, and yes, if you want to fly a plane, or guide your ship ANYWHERE in the world, you MUST communicate in English or else you won`t be allowed safe passage through commercial or military routes…but then again, many people who haven`t left their mom`s basement in years will most absolutely argue this important reality.

            SEMPER FI

        • Ian Hausser

          I`ve had the blessing of being able to travel frequently to dozens of civilized countries around the world, such as Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Spain, France, Russia, Denmark, Sweden, China, India, Argentina, Chile, Mexico, Japan, Israel and many more, and NOT ONCE have I discovered that English is unknown to them, on the other hand, I`ve also been to uncivilized Christian hating countries in the middle east, where allah is their god, and surprise surprise! you can go around for months on end and NEVER encounter an English speaking person. makes you wonder right? just saying…

      • Hi Geoffrey,

        Read the page you sent, and cannot disagree with anything you said. The Disciples were asking Jesus about temple and the buildings round about and what would become of them. Yes I agree and have said as much in my book. Matthew 24 is about the Jewish people but you must admit there are some striking parallels with the seven seals, and also the times in which we live now. It is almost like reading a newspaper article on current events. Also, if the two men and two women are not speaking of a “rapture-like” event, I don’t know what does.

        Dispensationalism is a good study tool to understand God’s dealings with mankind over the ages. I do believe that we are living in the age of grace, and soon that age will come to an end when the Bride of Christ is taken. This is why I believe that right now is the time to come to Christ, because if you wait until after every Christian disappears then you will be under a new dispensation. You will not be able to come to the Lord by believing and confessing. You will ultimately pay the price with your own life in martyrdom if you do not die of natural causes before then.

        That said, I think that dispensationalism is cumulative. Jesus came as a fulfillment of the legal requirements of the Law, but that did not abolish the law. He gave us the ability, through the Holy Spirit to obey the law. I believe that if you have not accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior, then you are by default under the Law and as such condemned for there is none righteous. Christ’s fulfillment of the Law did not replace the law any more than the Church replaced the Jewish people as God’s Chosen. The law of sin and death is very much in effect for those who are not under the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. Romans 8:2

        I do not wish to contend about things that truth be known we probably agree on. There is too much division in the Body of Christ and I do not believe that this is of God. Every time someone says that they are a ‘something-ist’, Dispensationalist, Preterist, Historicist, or Futurist…etc, this just goes to further divide the body of Christ.

        I am simply a Christian seeking the truth. The only person I know who had the entire truth has been away for two-thousand plus years and so I rely on the Holy Spirit to lead me. Today He has led me to you Geoffrey. May God bless you in your ministry.

        Regards,

  • jews are the antichrist

    israel did 9-11.Mr.Grider you are a shabbos goy! I will be leaving you and your judeo-christians alone.Goodbye.

    In this interview Rebekah drops some bombshells which prove not only that 9/11 was a false flag event long in the planning, but that the operation itself leads directly back to companies and intelligence assets deeply rooted in and connected to the state of Israel. In fact, some of the information shared in this remarkable interview is so critical for every American to understand that even if you don’t want to listen to the full interview, at least make sure you fast forward to the 31:20 mark. Because as Rebekah puts it, “This is the elephant in the room that nobody wanted to talk about.” The pictures you will see and the information you will hear may well shock you to your core.

    • Walter Mintz

      The antichrist will be an anti-Semite. It’s beyond belief that you guys are still out there. Everyone has been blaming the Jews since God knows when. Haman blamed the Jews. The Bubonic Plague was the Jews fault. Blame started the Inquisition and the Holocaust. Germany losing WWI was the Jews fault. If it weren’t for Israel there would be no problems in the Middle East, etc. etc. All from a country that is smaller than New Jersey and consists of 6 million Jews. 6 million Jews? Here we go again!

      By the way, before you start with ,”The Jews denied Christ” we ALL have denied him at one time or another. Most still do. Remember, when God chooses a people, the Devil in a different sense chooses them too.

      Which side are you on?

      • Heather

        Amen Walter!!!

        • Walter, more like 800,000 Jews in Israel. Small population compared to over 1.6 billion Arabs surrounding them.

  • george Saved

    Hi Geoffrey
    Thanks for your faithfulness and daily postings, you are very diligent and your posts are usually quite informative. Well done. Though can’t agree with you you on this SOP story, quite surprised you posted it actually consider the massive level of assumption you have applied.

    I no longer can believe in pre trib, because having checked all your verses in previous posts I see far more verses that present a more scripturally balanced theme, making clear clear that His church will be refined and purified by going through the Great Tribulation – Mentioned here in Rev 7:14 :And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Matt 24 of course has everything to do with the Great Tribulation. I can’t believe you said it hasn’t. Not enough space here to correct you on that, but judging by your replies I feel it may be a waste of time?

    As Noah went throughout the flood, as the children of Isreal went through Egypt’s 10 plagues, as the 3 Hebrew children through the fiery furnace so will we go through the trib and many of us will wash our robes in the blood of the lamb. I’m praying that you will be one of them my friend as you are in great danger of destroying the “Endure To The End Faith of many”, by trying to pursued them with a cowardly doctrine that they will be out before the refining begins. Pre trib is no more a sustainable belief that Eternal security.. Of course Stay saved and you’ll be saved, if not you will be like a dog returning to its vomit and better you had never known the way of righteousness see 2 Peter 2:20+
    You see dear Geoffrey, you were wrong to state that Great Trib wasn’t in the scripture and you can see by the above verse it is.. Beware of conceit my friend and beware of leading the flock of God astray. Better to preach tribulation faith and not need it, than to need tribulation faith and not have it.. Thank you again Geoffrey for most of your posts, kindest regards in Christ.

    • Are you proclaiming that Jesus lie on calvary’s cross when he said IT IS FINISHED?? (John 19:30 KJV).

      If it’s NOT FINISHED, then explain why you believe that Christ died in VAIN? Galatians 2:21 KJV.

      • george saved

        Yes, I have read your article on that, if I thought I could help you Jimmy by sharing the scriptures that you have missed and correcting the scriptures you have tortured, I surely would my friend. But lets both be honest, you do not have ears to hear. I have been doctrinally where you are, and as conceited as you sound. Thanks be to God for brokenness He has brought me through and by merciful revelation He has caused me to understand better. There is much to be said but you are dull of hearing. Over time, crises and humility will hopefully correct that in you, I pray that your faith will not fail. Certainly no offence intended dear brother,

      • Jimmy, do you believe that everyone who names the name of Christ is saved and has eternal security? Or is it those who profess Christ, who also demonstrate a life that possesses Christ? There are many who say Lord, Lord whom the Lord will deny He ever knew.

        “Jesus answered and said unto him, “If a man love me, he will keep my words and my father will love him, and we will come unto him and make our abode with him.” “He that loveth me not, keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the father’s which sent me. John 14:23-24

        In the Seed and Sower parable of Matthew 13, only the good ground that produces fruit is eternally secure. Many name the name of Christ but it’s those who preserver unto the end that will be saved. Salvation is by faith alone but it’s not a faith that remains alone but produces good fruit. It’s living faith that is true saving faith. And yes it is eternally secure faith, because it’s faith produced in the heart by the Holy Spirit. It’s the gift of God so no man can boast!! It’s not how well you start but are you in there for the long haul to finish the race!! A lot of people say they know Jesus, but the real question is. . . . does Jesus know you?

    • Truly, it saddens me to hear you no longer believe in the Bible doctrine of the Pretrib Rapture of the Church. And you do realize that no where in the Bible is it called the Great Tribulation as a title, right? Rather, God calls it the Time of Jacob’s Trouble in Jeremiah 30:7 (KJV), and do you remember what God changed Jacob’s name to? He changed it to Israel. So, we safely conclude that the great tribulation mentioned by Jesus in Matthew 24 refers to the time of Israel’s trouble. It has nothing to do with the Church.

      Since you brought Mr. Noah into this conversation, you will note that Noah and his family did not go “through the flood”, they went OVER THE TOP OF IT. Everyone who drowned went “through the flood”. See the difference? Noah is a type picture of Christians who get raptured UP AND OUT while the Tribulation rages below. You have confused the Rapture of the Church with the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, but they are not the same. Please read this: http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=32728

      Lastly, no Christian has to “endure to the end” to stay saved. Why not? Because Paul tells us that, at the moment of salvation, the Holy Spirit SEALED US IN. Read it for yourself:

      “That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 1:12-14 (KJV)

      Now, maybe you can believe that and maybe you can’t. It just takes faith in a perfect Book, and a perfect Saviour.

      • Geoffrey, sad!! Many contradictions of the plain teaching of the word of God!

      • Child of god

        Geoffrey they have eyes but can’t see, ears but can’t hear. If a man is a heretic after the 1st and 2nd admonition reject him, knowing he that is such is subverted,and sinneth being condemned of himself.

    • george, Good for you!!

      • george saved

        Amen to all your comments believer – Same page I think! Blest day

  • Danny

    Just something to throw into the discussion regarding the pre-tribulation rapture. The word states in 1Th 5:2 “… that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night”. If a believer is alive in the world during the tribulation, that believer will know EXACTLY when His return is because the prophetic time table of the Great Tribulation is so specific that you can set your watch to it. So “a thief in the night” would have to be a false statement from scripture. Right?

    • Blake

      Keep reading Danny. 1 Thess 5:4 But you bretheren are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Come people, put the whole thing in context. This is such a stretch and leap of logic to come to these conclusions.

      • Danny

        Thanks for the response Blake, I apply the subsequent verses you quote to myself and all believers to mean that the rapture won’t catch us unaware, we are looking longingly for it, but the timing of it is not for us to know. God Bless

  • Mitch

    Geoffrey, please check this link and see if this goes along with what you’re saying:
    http://antichristunmasked.co.uk/antichrist-direct-evidence/

  • THE ANTICHRIST WILL BE JUDAS REINCARNATED

    By Arthur W. Pink

    This article first published in Studies in the Scriptures- a monthly magazine edited by A. W. Pink. In 1923, a book appeared composed of various similar essays from the above mentioned magazine. This book was entitled, “The Antichrist” by Mr. Pink. The book is currently published by Kregel Publications, Grand Rapids, Michigan 49501.

    1. In Psalm 55 much is said of the Antichrist in his relation to Israel. Among other things we read there, “The words of his mouth were smoother than butter, but war was in his heart: his words were softer than oil, yet were they drawn swords” (v. 21). The occasion for this sad plaint is given in the previous verse- “He hath put forth his hands against such as be at peace with him: he hath broken his covenant”. The reference is to Antichrist breaking his seven-year Covenant with the Jews (see Dan. 9:27; 11:21-24). Now if the entire Psalm be read through with these things in mind, it will be seen that it sets forth the sorrows of Israel and the sighings of the godly remnant during the End-time. But the remarkable thing is that when we come to vv. 11-14 we find that which has a double application and fufillment- “wickedness is in the midst thereof: deceit and guile depart not from her street. For it was not an enemy that reproached me; then I could have borne it: neither was it he that hated me that did magnify himself against me; then I would have hid myself from him: But it was thou, a man mine equal, my guide, and mine acquaintance. We took sweet counsel together, and walked unto the house of God in company”. These verses describe not only the base treachery of Judas toward Christ, but they also announce how he shall yet, when reincarnated in the Antichrist, betray and desert Israel. The relation of Antichrist to Israel will be precisely the same as that of Judas to Christ of old. He will pose as the friend of the Jews, but later he will come out in his true character. In the Tribulation period, the Nation of Israel shall taste the bitterness of betrayal and desertion by one who masqueraded as a ‘familiar friend’. Hence, we have here the first hint that the Antichrist will be Judas reincarnated.

    2. “And your covenant with Death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with Hell shall not stand; when the overflowring scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it” (Isa. 28:18) The “Covenant” referred to is that seven-year one which is mentioned in Dan. 9:27. But here the one with whom this Covenant is made is termed “Death” and “Hell!”. This is a title of the Antichrist, as “the Resurrection and the Life” is of the true Christ. Nor is this verse in Isa. 28 the only one where the Son of Perdition is so denominated. In Rev. 6 a fourfold picture of him is given&emdash;the antithesis of the fourfold portrayal of the Lord Jesus in the Gospels. Here he is seen as the rider on differently colored horses, which bring before us four stages in his awful career, and when we come to the last of them the Holy Spirit exposes his true identity by telling us, “and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him” (Rev. 6:8). Now “Hell” or “hades” is the place which receives the souls of the dead, and the fact that this awful name is here applied to Antichrist intimates that he has come from there.

    3. Above, we referred to Matt. 12:41-43 to prove that Antichrist will be a super-human being, a fallen and unclean “spirit “: we turn to it again in order to show that this coming Incarnation of Satan has previously been upon earth. The history of this ‘Unclean Spirit” is divided into three stages. First, as having dwelt in “a man”; second, as having gone out of a man, and walking through dry places, seeking rest and finding none this has reference to his present condition during the interval between his two appearances on earth. Third, he says, “I will return to my house”. This Unclean Spirit, then, who has already been here, who is now away in a place where rest is not to be found, is to come back again!

    4. In John 17:12 we have a word which, more plainly still, shows that the Antichrist will be Judas reincarnated, for here he is termed by Christ “The Son of Perdition”. But first let us consider the teaching of Scripture concerning Judas Iscariot. Who is he? He was a “man” (Matt. 26:24). But was he moree than a man? Let Scripture make answer. In John 6:70 we read, “Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a Devil?” It is hardly necessary to say that in the Greek there are two different words for “Devil” and “demon”. There are many demons, but only one Devil. Further, in no other passage is the word “devil” applied to any one but to Satan himself. Judas then was the Devil incarnate, just as the Lord Jesus was God incarnate. Christ Himself said so, and we dare not doubt His word.

    As we have seen, in John 17:12 Christ termed Judas “the Son of Perdition”, and 2 Thess. 2 :3 we find that the Antichrist is similarly designated- “That Man of Sin be revealed, the Son of Perdition”. These are the only two places in all the Bible where his name occurs, and the fact that Judas was termed by Christ not a “son of perdition”, but “the Son of Perdition”, and the fact that the Man of Sin is so named prove that they are one and the same person. What other conclusion can a simple and unprejudiced reader of the Bible come to?

    5. In Rev. 11:7 we have the first reference to “the Beast” in the Apocalypse: “The Beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit”. Here the Antichrist is seen issuing forth from the Abyss. What is the Abyss? It is the abode of lost spirits, the place of their incarceration and torment&emdash; see Rev. 20:1-3, and Luke 8:31, “deep” is “abyss” and cf. Matt. 9:28. The question naturally arises, How did he get there? and when was he sent there? We answer. When Judas Iscariot died! The Antichrist will be Judas Iscariot reincarnated. In proof of this we appeal to Acts 1 :25 where we are told, “that he mav take part of this ministry and apostleship from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place”. Of no one else in all the Bible is it said that at death he went “to his own place”. Put these two scriptures together: Judas went “to his own place”, the Beast ascends out of the Abyss.

    6. In Rev. 17:8 we read, “The Beast that thou sawest was, and is not: and shall ascend out of the Bottomless Pit, and go into perdition”. This verse is generally understood to refer to the revived Roman Empire, and while allowing that such an application is warrantable, yet we are persuaded it is a mistake to limit it to this. In the Apocalypse, the Roman Empire and its final and satanic Head are very closely connected, so much so, that at times it is difficult to distinguish between them. But in Rev. 17 they are distinguishable. In v. 8 we are told that the Beast “shall ascend out of the Bottomless Pit, and that he shall go into perdition”. In v. 11 we are told, “And the Beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seventh, and goeth into perdition”. Now nearly all expositors are agreed that the Beast of v. 11- the “eighth” (head, and form of government of the Roman Empire- is the Antichrist himself; then why not admit the same of v. 8? In both, the designation is the same- “the Beast”; and in both, we are told he “goeth into perdition.”

    We take it, then, that what is predicated of “the Beast” in 17:8 is true of both the Roman Empire and its last head, the Antichrist: of the former, in the sense that it is infernal in its character. Viewing it now as a declaration of the Antichrist, what does it tell us about him? Four things. First, he “was”. Second, he “is not”. Third, he shall “ascend out of the Bottomless Pit”. Fourth, he shall “go into perdition”. The various time-marks here concern the Beast in his relation to the earth. First, he “was”, i. e.. on the earth. Second, he “is not”, i. e. now on the earth (cf. Gen. 5:24, “Enoch was not for God took him”; that is, “was not” any longer on the earth). Third, he shall “ascend out of the Bottomless Pit,” where he now is, which agrees with 11:7. Fourth, he shall “go into perdition”. We learn then from this scripture that at the time the Apocalypse was written the Beast “was not” then on the earth, but that he had been on it formerly. Further, we learn that in John’s day the Beast was then in the Bottomless Pit but should yet ascend out of it. Here then is further evidence that the Antichrist who is vet to appear has been on earth before.

    7. “And the Beast was taken, and with him the False Prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the Beast and them that worshipped his image. These both were east alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone” (Rev. 19:20). This gives the last, word concerning the Antichrist. It makes known the terrible fate which awaits him. He, together with his ally, will be cast alive into the Lake of Fire. This is very striking, and confirms what has been said above, namely, that the Antichrist will be one who has already appeared on earth, and 12 as been in “the Abyss” during, the interval which precedes his return to the earth. And how remarkably Rev. 19:20 corroborates this. The Antichrist will not be cast, eventually into the Abyss, as Satan will be at the end of the Millennium (Rev 20 :1-3), but into the Lake of Fire which is the final abode of the damned. Why is it that he shall not be cast into the Abyss at the return of Christ? It must be because he has already been there. Hence, the judgment meted out to him is final and irrevocable, as will be that of the Devil a thousand years later, see Rev. 20:10.

  • ulises a

    I tought I would find really important and trully prophetic material.
    I looks like some Kid, be searchin “clues”.

    In spanish would Hijo de Perdición (HDP)… Why only in english work?
    Why not hebrew?

    Under this “clue” you think is important put all the rest that “imagine”, like the son of perdition is Judas.

    First of all, Judas died, is death. Yes, Moses and Elijah will come back as the two witnesses, but it doesn´t mean thant Judas will back as the Antichrist, AND OTHER WILL BACK AS THE PHALSE PROPHET.

    Remember that the antichrist is revealed in Revelation 13:3, as you want to wish see this, the antichirst is a born person. That exists in our time, otherwise there is no way all the world could worry and see him at the same time and be amazed about that his fatal wound was healed.

    Twist the scriptures, is dangerous, take a look at the comments, people saying that King James Bible version is the bertter version, when it is not true. And all based in your comment that SOP menads Son of Perdition.

    What is the matter with you?

  • Lee

    How do you feel about the NEW King James Version?

  • Pan Trib

    According to this verse – “…for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.” – the falling away must come AND the son of perdition be revealed.

    How will he be revealed? He exalts himself above all that is called God and sits in the temple of God. When does that happen? At the end of 3-1/2 years of Tribulation.

    So this verse is implying a mid-trib rapture. I really can’t stand the dogma of many pre-tribbers, so I’m not going to debate this. Just wanted to point that out. Besides, I’m pan-trib – it will all pan out in the end. Wherever the rapture occurs doesn’t affect my salvation.

  • Brian

    The original text was greek, not latin.
    Vine’s Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words
    1 Strong’s Number: g5596 Greek: psomion
    Sop:
    a diminutive of psomos, “a morsel,” denotes “a fragment, a sop” (akin to psomizo; see FEED), Jhn 13:26 (twice), 27, 30. It had no connection with the modern meaning of “sop,” something given to pacify (as in the classical expression “a sop to Cerberus”).

    Does not stand for “son of perdition”. Son of Perdition means one who is doomed to destruction. One example would be Hitler who God used to cause a mass movement of Jews back to Israel. God knows exactly what He is doing and uses, and dooms to destruction, anyone He creates to fulfill His ultimate plan.

    Appreciate NETB and use it as one source of news / world events but disagree on some of your interpretations of Scripture. (Pre-trib rapture is one we agree on!)

    • Fair enough, thanks for writing!

      • Dan

        Wow Geoffrey , have you been into the magic cookies yourself ?
        So in the end we don’t have to worry about who the antichrist is because we won’t be here. Here’s a better way to put it.

        DOES THE KING JAMES VERSION REVEAL THE IDENTITY
        OF THE ANTICHRIST ?

        Don’t worry about it ; we won’t be here !

        Geoffrey, you didn’t need to get my hopes up with that title. I like reading your articles already so I don’t need to be teased into reading them.

  • Luke

    I think that you are conflating the second coming or “Day of the Lord” with the “Rapture”. These are Two distinct events. Fist, as Paul told us, Christ will come secretly in the clouds to physically remove his chosen and the Holy Spirit from the Earth.
    This taking or Rapture will then initiate the 7 year tribulation that ends with Armageddon and Christ’s triumphant returns to save Israel from utter destruction.

  • Yehudit

    I have to respectfully disagree. There are no conditions that need to be met before the Rapture may occur. Paul addressed this issue in his epistles. The first Believers and followers of Jesus Christ anticipated the return of Jesus for the believing church in their own time. This is why Paul tells them that they have not missed the rapture as false teachers were, even in their day, telling them. Read the epistles. It is quite clear. Thank you

  • ron

    But SOP was written in Greek, so unless the letters in Greek does the same thing this is just a coincident.

  • Larry / vietnamvet1971

    very interesting topic, I will follow it and see what happens.

  • Hey if the rapture happens does that mean we get rid of these idiot “fundie” evangelicals who vote for the rEPuBLiTARD – republicans? dONALd tRuMP? Guffaw yuck yuck yuck! Har Dee Har HAR! Oh yes for sure Jesus would be taking monies from hard earned social safety net government programs for the underprivileged poor unemployed-under-employed etc. To Offset taxation of the wealthiest? Trickle down? What a bunch of idiots!

  • ” And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.”
    ~•John 13:27

    “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:” ~•Hebrews 9:27

    Satan entered Judas’ body and the same he will do with the body of whoever is going to be the antichrist. Judas committed suicide. The Bible says it is appointed for us to die ONCE, after that, the judgment.

    Sons of perdition identifies Satan and Judas with their eternal destination.
    Unbelievers are also called sons of perdition, because in Hebrews 10:39 it is written: “But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.”
    So your theory about Judas coming back as antichrist is wrong.

    • There are multiple people in the Bible who die more than once. Lazarus died twice, right? Eutychus died twice, yes? The son of the Shunamite woman in 2 King 4 died twice, so ok, not everyone dies just one time. Hebrews 9:27 is a general rule, but it does not apply to every human being in world history.

      Hebrews 10 mentions perdition as a condition, but it is not calling anyone a “son of perdition”. Judas alone is given that title. Paul says the Antichrist is the “son of perdition”, Judas is the only one ever given that title so it’s really case closed at this point if you are Bible believer.

      • Jason

        Hi Geoffrey, I’ve been reading your site for 4-5 years and my comments on this site have been minimal but I feel now is a great time to address a question to you to get your input on a Bible Passage, the reason primarily being I never see any pre-tribulation believers(anywhere at any ministry) addressing this very important scripture that is found in the book of Revelation chapter 16:15 –

        “Behold I come as a thief, blessed is he that watcheth and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame”.

        Now real quick, I wholeheartedly believe in the Pre-Tribulation Rapture because of scriptures such as James 14:1-3, Revelation 3:10( and several others addressing us not being destined for God’s Wrath)that seem to confirm the Pre-Trib doctrine. For the nearly 30 years I’ve been a Christian I’ve always heard teaching that refers to the Rapture of the church as the “Thief” coming for his Bride, of course the “Thief” being our Lord coming for the Bride as with ancient Jewish customs. Of course many other Believer’s have this same understanding but in Revelation 16:15 The Lord himself is telling the Servant almost at the very end of the Great Tribulation that he “comes as a thief ” and to “keepeth his garments” (or to walk holy). This scripture in Revelation causes me to wonder how could anyone know when The Lord would return if he is saying towards the end of the Tribulation he comes as a thief? Even with what we have in the Book of Daniel, The Lord saying this in Rev. 16:15 causes me to re-evaluate certain scriptures to see if I’m understanding them correctly. The odd thing is I have waited for many years for a Pastor, whether at church, on radio, on TV or Internet ministry to address this scripture when discussing the Pre-Trib Rapture but it never gets brought up.

        I would really be interested in hearing your thoughts on this scripture and whether you think it calls into question the timing of the Rapture, thank you!

  • Jesus will come back as himself, yay! Lord, come!

  • lorraine

    Just imagine choosing a bride then just before you leave your father’s house to fetch her for the marriage you decide you’d rather have her head cut off.

    We are talking here about those who are alive at his coming. Watching and praying for their Blessed Hope. There are also the dead in Christ remember! Dead and alive go up together to meet Him in the air.
    They are going to the marriage feast remember……, if Jesus is going to rule and reign on this earth, why go up? For the wedding remember.
    He’ll be back to rule and reign.

    Please don’t be confused about the two, both dead and alive believers.. all you post and mid tribbers. Jesus is on His way,.. you are invited to the marriage. Get ready.

    • Danny

      Well said, Lorraine.

    • Child of god

      Amen. No one hardly seems to remember the marriage of the lamb. Christ and the church. The first coming Jesus came as savior then the intermission marriage supper. Then the second coming as King of Kings and Lord of Lords we shall return with him. How can we return if we have not already left to be with him? We are not appointed into wrath. The wrath of God abides upon the children of diobedience (unbelievers).also the bride of Christ is new jerusalem which John saw coming down from heaven. I pray the Lord give you understanding in all things.

  • Mg

    I submit as people in Jesus’ day missed Him and who He was (is), that the man of sin has been revealed, is in the world and is very familiar to people. But even now have it in their own mind as to who he is, what ethnic background, what color of skin…but they have missed him also. I believe people refuse to admit to who he really is. But will it be too late? You see, even the very elect might be deceived >Mt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

  • Mg

    I believe the antichrist has already been revealed. But people missed the Messiah (Jesus) back when He was here on earth. I believe they missed the antichrist as well./

    • ex Prophet

      The antichrist has been revealed.
      And most have missed him.
      They don’t recognize him because they are under the Delusion.
      A delusion created by God the Father for believing a lie.
      By far, most believers don’t know the meaning of ‘humility’.
      They are so confident in themselves, their knowledge, their own righteousness (not Father’s) etc., that it’s impossible for them to think that our Father could, OR WOULD, delude THEM!
      Discover the lie and you discover the antichrist.
      2 Thess. 2 is sooo misunderstood!

  • lorraine

    Geoffrey in 2 Thess where it is written that some will depart from the faith and then the wicked one will be revealed. This word DEPART OR DEPARTURE I am told does not necessarily mean departure from the faith./apostasy.

    The root word in Greek could juSt mean Departure…”””. OUR departure “””
    Further down after that scripture is says “” now He that letteth will let until He is taken out of the way, then the antichrist will be revealed. I’ve always understood that to mean that when The Holy Spirit removes the church, then the anti Christ is revealed. If the believers are on earth at the time of the revealing of the wicked one then the second scripture is a contradiction. IT would make more sense if the first scripture is Departure meaning catching away, leaving, departing. FROM THE EARTH not FROM THE FAITH. I use the KJ Bible but the above are my own words the the wicked one is revealed. What are your thoughts? Can you study this a bit?

    PS. I have always believed that about Judas being the coming resurrected antichrist. Only two people are called the son of perdition. Judas and anti christ.
    He went to his own place ???? And he COMES UP OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT. SATAN ENTERED INTO JUDAS AND HE ENTERS INTO THE MAN WHO BECOMES THE MAN OF SIN FOR THE SEVEN YEARS. APPOLYON.. Funny that CERN Collider has the statue of shiva god of destruction standing there ON THE SITE OF the real TEMPLE OF APPOLYON …. will Judas come out of that hole (pit) from the abyss on that site if the Collider blasts a hole to “KINGDOM COME” BUT NOT THE KINGDOM OF OUR GOD. ????

    • “Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;” 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (KJV)

      Hell is below your feet, Heaven is above your head. Your fall into Hell and you are TAKEN UP into Heaven. You really have to twist the Bible to make “falling away” mean the same thing as being “taken up”.

    • MRH

      @lorraine:

      I’ve always understood that to mean that when The Holy Spirit removes the church, then the anti Christ is revealed

      Strong’s Greek: 646. ἀποστασία (apostasia) — defection, revolt. 646 apostasía (from 868 /aphístēmi, “leave, depart,” which is derived from 575 /apó, “away from” and 2476 /histémi, “stand”) – properly, departure (implying desertion); apostasy – literally, “a leaving, from a previous standing.”

      I believe there may be two parts to the ‘falling away’ aspect. The first part is the removal of God from the world (tribulation), and the second part the removal of God from the earth (rapture).

      †θλῖψις thlîpsis, thlip’-sis; from G2346; pressure (literally or figuratively):—afflicted(-tion), anguish, burdened, persecution, tribulation, trouble.

      Only two people are called the son of perdition. Judas and anti christ

      Actually the ‘man of sin’ represents Lucifer the fallen angel king. Demons are fallen angels whom possess people to do evil. Judas was directly possessed by Satan to do the dirty deed. Afterwards Satan led him to guilt ending in suicide.

      Isa 14:12, 16 KJV – How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! … They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

      Note that Lucifer is referred to as a ‘man’? In Revelation he is referred to as the ‘beast’ and ‘dragon’, etc.

      Funny that CERN Collider has the statue of shiva god of destruction standing there ON THE SITE OF the real TEMPLE OF APPOLYON

      CERN appears to be a demonic portal for a future alien invasion. Demons disguised as benevolent extraterrestrials (aliens). Google.. Galactic Federation Of Light – Ashtar Command.. for hidden knowledge 💡

      • MRH
        • MRH
          • Reminder

            Your New Age site says that Jesus is an alien from ‘Star Command’.

            “The Solar Star Command is a part of the Galactic Federation of Light that is currently attending to Earth affairs. They work with the Ascended Masters under the directions of the Galactic Federation to achieve their divine mission.

            The Solar Star Command currently oversees the space around Earth and do battle with dark forces just like in Star Trek or Star Wars. They monitor whatever major activities that are planned or taking place and also liaise with the ground forces that are on Earth.

            The Solar Star Command was previously known as the famous Ashtar Command. However, the name Ashtar Command has been assumed to be used and abused by dark forces to such an extent that the name can no longer be effectively used. It is important to know that there are many genuine Lightworkers still using the name Ashtar Command.

            Higher beings known to be a part of the Solar Star Command by alphabetical order are Ashtar Sheran, Hatonn, Sananda Esu Immanuel and Vrillon. Note that Sananda Esu Immanuel is Lord JESUS CHRIST.”

            I bet you’re sitting there in a little shiny suit with a Star Trek laser sword!

          • MRH

            I bet you’re sitting there in a little shiny suit with a Star Trek laser sword!

            You are so naive it’s pitiful 🙄

          • Reminder

            @ MRH – aka ‘Star Command Lightworker’

            So, you are a New Ager.

            You’d look stupid if you denied it now.
            You just posted a New Age site that says Jesus is an alien of ‘Star Command’.

            Afraid to admit it?

            You weren’t afraid to admit your pro LGBT beliefs.

          • MRH

            So, you are a New Ager.

            You’d look stupid if you denied it now.
            You just posted a New Age site that says Jesus is an alien of ‘Star Command’.

            Afraid to admit it?

            Either you’re a troll or a complete idiot? Which one is it goon? It’s not worth my time even replying to your sarcastic comments 🙁 And for your information I’m NOT a New Ager! I just study such things to reveal evil, as the bible instructs us to do 🙂

            Eph 5:11-16 KJV – And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

          • Reminder

            @ MRH,

            YOU posted a site that says Jesus is an alien –
            again, YOU POSTED IT!… not me.

            How does that make me an idiot?

            Oh, I almost forgot –

            You said you weren’t a New Ager (wink), but you studied New Age because the Bible instructs you too!-

            ” I just study such things to reveal evil, as the bible instructs us to do”

            Can you give me the verse that says we are to study New Age BS.

            Thanks, really appreciate it.

          • MRH

            Can you give me the verse that says we are to study New Age BS.

            @Reminder: Can’t you not read? The requested scripture is posted above and in simpler fashion below 😉

            Eph 5:11 KJV – And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

            Lexicon :: Strong’s G1651 – elegchō (reprove) = by conviction to bring to the light, to expose

            P.S. To expose the dark we must first understand the dark? And not always easy as the dark hides in dark corners 😉

          • Reminder

            @ PRO LGBT MRH,

            Since you posted the verses below – Are you gonna reprove the LGBT community?

            ………….

            Eph 5:11 KJV – And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

            Lexicon :: Strong’s G1651 – elegchō (reprove) = by conviction to bring to the light, to expose

            P.S. To expose the dark we must first understand the dark? And not always easy as the dark hides in dark corners

            …..

          • MRH

            Reminder says:
            September 18, 2015 at 10:38 am
            @ PRO LGBT MRH,

            Since you posted the verses below – Are you gonna reprove the LGBT community?

            ………….

            Eph 5:11 KJV – And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

            Lexicon :: Strong’s G1651 – elegchō (reprove) = by conviction to bring to the light, to expose

            P.S. To expose the dark we must first understand the dark? And not always easy as the dark hides in dark corners

            …..

            Nah, I think I’ll let you do it, since it’s your obsession 😉

            P.S. I’ve little interest in trivial smoke screen stuff 😉

            Also I’m not pro LGBT (nor an activist type)! The LGBT topic doesn’t interest me, except I’m tired of all the obsession with it (overkill). Same with abortion, drugs, etc.. all trivialities driven into the ground 🙁

          • Reminder

            @ PRO LGBT MRH,

            You wrote:

            “Also I’m not pro LGBT (nor an activist type)! The LGBT topic doesn’t interest me, except I’m tired of all the obsession with it (overkill). Same with abortion, drugs, etc.. all trivialities driven into the ground 🙁 … ”

            Really?

            Did you ever write on another site that you were a “closet queen” ?

            If you can’t remember, I saved a copy of the page to help you remember.

            Also, On the ‘Hillsong/gay choir’ article,did you reply to eddie Santana and admit that you desired “LGBT game”?

            ………

            August 6, 2015 at 10:13 am

            @ eddie santana: The fact remains, no normal gendered person would remotely desire LGBT game! Why would they?

            Only the born AFFLICTED (victims of birth curse), or DEMON POSSESSED would (drunks, media recruits?).

            In a normal situation we think or feel whom we are? Also LGBT is still much more rare than one might think. Fact: 99% of the populace are of normal gender. I’m not (born eunuch.. hermaphrodite aspect),

            but then I MAKE UP THE 1% AFFLICTED FACTOR.

            ……………

            – Only the born AFFLICTED (victims of birth curse), or DEMON POSSESSED would (desire LBGT game)…

            – I MAKE UP THE 1% AFFLICTED FACTOR

            Didn’t you also say that the witch you lived with cast spells on you?

  • lorraine

    No I wasn’t twisting the Bible I was saying the Greek root word for “falling away” is the same meaning as “departure” so some Greek scholars say. That’s why I asked you to look into this. I’d be grateful. Thanks.

    • I meant “you” in a general sense, certainly not to imply that YOU would do that. To answer your question on the word “depart” – “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;” 1 Timothy 4:1 (KJV)

      Now to me, that verse backs up 2 Thess about a falling away from truth…

  • David

    All you pre-Trib Rapture deniers are in for a big surprise. And I will be the first to tell you “I told you so.” Maranatha.

  • Drew

    There is no biblical evidence that 100% says it is Moses. And it is logical that it will be Enoch and Elijah as neither of them died. Not sure why so many want to make that difficult and mysterious.

  • Leonie

    The two witness are Mary and Joseph and the anichrist name is peter I know where he is and the church doesn’t get raptured Jesus said his church would be here for it all

  • Drew

    Paul explains the first half of verse 3 for us, in verses 6 and 7. Just as he explains the last half of verse 3 in verse 4.

    Firstly, let me say I do believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. However, 2 Thessalonians 2:3 does not prove it. These verses are talking about a mid-trib event, which is the restrainer being removed and the abomination of desolation being revealed.(these events occur after the rapture) Here’s why:

    Some use 2 Thessalonians 2:3 to show that the rapture comes before the man of sin, whereas others use that verse to show that the rapture comes after the man of sin. The verse is not talking about a departure from faith. The Holy Spirit is what is taken out of being between or out of the middle (out of the way of the man of sin being revealed – abomination of desolation). It’s also important to note that a word that clearly shows apostasy in context like, Luke 8:13 “fall away” Greek word being aphistēmi is not seen in 2 Thessalonians 2:3. We see the word apostasia. If 2 Thessalonians was talking about a departing from the faith, why not simply use the greek word aphistēmi? Anyhow this is little clarity compared to Paul’s explanation of 2 Thessalonians 2:3.

    Rather than using this Bible translation or that Bible translation (which often, is useful), since Paul explains it for us, let’s use Paul’s explanation.
    ____________________________________________________________
    2 Thessalonians 2:3(A)
    Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first,

    Explained in 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7
    6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
    7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

    The restrainer has to be the Holy Spirit due to being spoken of both in the neuter and masculine.
    ____________________________________________________________
    2 Thessalonians 2:3(B)
    and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

    Explained in 2 Thessalonians 2:4
    Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
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    Author Allen Beechick more thoroughly explains this in his book “The Pre-Tribulation Rapture”. A great book that really shuts down the post-tribulation doctrine.

  • Drew

    An interesting take on the antichrist.

    However, it would be more fitting for the antichrist to be Arab, not Hebrew as all of the apostles were. Also, the antichrist will come from the armies who destroyed the city and temple in 70 AD, Judas was did not come from those armies. Also, those armies recruited and made Roman citizens out of anyone who joined from the surrounding areas. The armies that destroyed the city and temple in 70 AD had a 5 to 1 ratio of more Arabs than any other people. It is quite clear the antichrist will come from the east side of the ancient Roman empire, which is today filled with Arab nations.

    Daniel 9:26

    No need to use all these weird methods and guessing games. Let’s use what’s biblical and logical. No need for number games either.

  • MO MATTER who is… important is to be ready for persecution!

    PS. – i dont believe this idea with Judas Iscariotus.
    Antichrist is already here… because we are the last generation (Matthew 24… Israel back to home and last generation)… and ONLY GOD can rise a man from death… so… GOD will not do that with Judas… this is FALSE TEACHING from apostates!

    Acts 1
    24. And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
    25. That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his OWN PLACE.

    John 17
    12. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is LOST, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

    .

  • MOREOVER… pre-trib “rapture” is FALSE teaching!

    Must read in context always… because deceivers always take out verses from context:
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    LORD JESUS spoke:

    Luke 17
    30. Even thus shall it be in THE DAY when the Son of man is REVEALED.
    31. In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
    32. Remember Lot’s wife.
    33. Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
    34. I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; THE ONE SHALL BE TAKEN, and THE OTHER SHALL BE LEFT.
    35. Two women shall be grinding together; THE ONE SHALL BE TAKEN, and THE OTHER LEFT.
    36. Two men shall be in the field; THE ONE SHALL BE TAKEN, and THE OTHER LEFT.
    37. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the EAGLES be gathered together.
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    – left behind is ONLY when LORD is REVEALED AFTER GREAT TRIBULATION… IS NOT ABOUT “secretly rapture”… NOT secretly come which is FALSE!… left behind means YOU ARE LOST FOR EVER (Matthew 25:1-12)!

    – verse 37: is about Armageddon or LAST DAY… EXACTLY what prophets says and LORD JESUS Himself spoke that He come back at the end of times! (Zechariah 14, Matthew 24, Revelation 19:17,18)

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    MOREOVER:

    Revelation 16
    1. And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of THE WRATH of God UPON THE EARTH.

    15. Behold, I come as A THIEF. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

    – You have often heard that the LORD will not allow his bride to be on earth when God’s wrath is poured out on the earth? … This statement is FALSE!

    – In great tribulation when kingdom of Antichrist is there and THE WRATH of God is poured UPON THE EARTH… LORD JESUS warn us He will come as A THIEF! …so… in great tribulation under wrath of God…LORD JESUS yet NOT COME!… because He was very clear and prophets ALSO: LORD JESUS will come back AFTER TRIBULATION… and GREAT TRIBULATION will be used by LORD to purify His church from false christians and to prepare His bride (followers of Christ).
    – in verse 15 LORD JESUS warn that He come back as A THIEF… and next verse (16) nations come to Armageddon… which is THE LAST DAY… END OF TIMES and… END of TRIBULATION… and return of Almighty LORD GOD. MOREOVER… nowhere in Bible is written that LORD JESUS come with church (“raptured”) from heaven… NO!… He come back for church ONLY with His angels… and to save Israel from destruction… means great war Armageddon… and THEN… ALL Israel will know that He is The Messiah, The Son of the Living Elohim, Almighty YHWH Who was PIERCED in flesh. (Zechariah12:10).

    Matthew 16
    27. For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

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    MOREOVER:

    1 Corinthians 15
    51. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall ALL BE CHANGED,
    52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

    – ALL WILL BE CHANGED…ALL CHRISTIANS…NOT in 2 phases: rapture and another coming of Christ!…so..there is NO “rapture”.
    – LAST TRUMP is after great tribulation (Matthew 24:31)

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    MOREOVER:

    Hebrews 9
    27. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
    28. So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he APPEAR the SECOND TIME without sin UNTO SALVATION.

    – rapture cannot be true… because those who will be raptured ARE NOT SAVED!… because SALVATION is ONLY when LORD JESUS APPEAR!….and LORD APPEAR ONLY at Armageddon… the LAST DAY!

    – Now… do you understand how fake is this teaching about rapture?

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    MOREOVER:

    John 6
    44. No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will RAISE HIM UP at THE LAST DAY.

    – rapture cannot be true… because those who will be raptured ARE NOT SAVED!… because the FIRST RESURRECTION It occurs when LORD JESUS come back at Armageddon which is The LAST DAY:

    Revelation 20
    4. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    5. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION.

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    MOREOVER:

    Titus 2
    13. Looking for that BLESSED HOPE, and the glorious APPEARING of the GREAT God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
    14. Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

    ….our BLESSED HOPE is – APPEARING – of CHRIST…not fake “hidden rapture!”…may LORD protect my brothers and sisters in Christ from any luciferian deception!
    …to many false teachers promote this false teaching called rapture…but they don’t care about Bible…they ARE DECEIVED and DECEIVING OTHERS.
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    To be martyr for Christ is not wrath of God…is honour!
    Apostasy is here. Very soon must rise AntiChrist and false prophet. When AntiChrist appear to confirm 7 years covenant, pre-trib will fall. And then will be fulfilled what Apostle Paul says:

    – 2 – Thessalonians 2
    1. Now we beseech you, brethren, by THE COMING of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by OUR GATHERING TOGETHER UNTO HIM,
    2. That ye be NOT soon SHAKEN IN MIND, or BE TROUBLED, neither BY spirit, nor by WORD, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at HAND.
    3. Let NO MAN DECEIVE YOU by any means: for THAT DAY SHALL NOT COME, EXCEPT THERE COME A FALLING AWAY FIRST, and THAT MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED, the SON of PERDITION;
    4. Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

    Apostle Paul says… if anyone says that the day of Lord (His return) is before AntiChrist appear, is under influence of another spirit.
    Bible is very clear.

    • There is an end of the church age, the age of grace that we have been living in. These events you have described follow the catching away of the church and describe the time of Jacob’s trouble. Jeremiah 30:7
      The Bible is very clear: about that you are correct.

    • Simple question: If the Apostle Paul was preaching the exact same catching away in 1 Corinthians 15 as the Lord Jesus Christ preached in Luke 17, explain to me why would the Apostle Paul specifically refer to what he says in 1 Corinthians 15 as a MYSTERY??

      If the Apostle Paul was preaching the exact same catching away as Jesus did in Luke 17, there would have been no MYSTERY to it because the Lord Jesus Christ has already revealed it.

      • Amen, brother, totally agree.

      • Larry / vietnamvet1971

        I agree jimmy, Paul was sent to preach to the gentiles and JESUS revealed the mystery to PAUL for His Church (Body of Christ), I believe Matthew 24,25, Luke 21 refer to the second coming.

      • Yeah, because the disciples understood what Jesus was saying all the time. Exactly like after Jesus said in very plain language “22 And while they abode in Galilee, Jesus said unto them, The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men: 23 And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.” Mat 17

        It’s completely obvious the disciples understood exactly what he was saying and FULLY expected the arrest in the garden and crucifixion…

        • Excuse me for not capitalizing the ‘he’… should be: what He was saying

  • Nirmal

    Dear Bro Geoffrey,
    I have a curious question,why the prophecies told by many God fearing people not come to pass, the prophecies of Pastor David wilkerson,duduman demetri,the blood moon prophecy,the shemita and many more,there is nothing happening that is noteworthy to shake the world.there is a great silence, IS IT THE JONAH EFFECT to delay the events. I dont think the people who warn and tell others to prepare by repenting and living a holy life are false teachers. Instead of spending time on wordly things, people like Cahn,hagee,david wilkerson had warned people to turn away from sin and told how events will unfold so that people will repent and build relationship with Lord but recent times, the mocking has increased ten fold against the endtime prechers, ofcourse some of teachers are false but why Lord is not responding to true servant of endtime prechers
    Brother, some write books about endtime and may be earn some money but u and i know every body needs money to live and pay for all house related things, only when money become main thing to write about endtime becomes problem, books writtten by false teachers cannot hold water or truth but ultimately comes to be false, but i m worried about the true servents of the Lord, they will be mocked after September for telling things about endtime and if nothing earth shaking happened.
    I am writing this with sadness in my heart because i m most unloved person in the world even after accepting Christ as my Lord, my problem and suffering increases more and more day by day,i dont have any friends,my own family hates me,i m waiting for Lords help by his return to this earth or take us away raptured but nothing happens, in last chapter of rev Lord says 3 times, I AM COMING QUICKLY but its overdue for his coming.
    Can the Lord do somthing to help his people and teach a lesson to his mockers going as per 2PETER CHAPTER 3.
    Please pray that Lord must protect his people.the limits of God fearing people are gone far behind there waiting time, in my case i m 41, i m so sure i believe i have spend more then 50% of my life on earth and my life is short in this earth, i eager to see my Lord and share my agony,if no endtime comes in my life time, i will look for my own endtime(my death on this earth), i m more happy for my own endtime to meet my lord and saviour.
    Even i am going thru all agony, still i bless the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and Praise him for Ever.

    • Honestly, I think that people sometimes get carried away and “speak prophetically” when the Holy Spirit is not prompting them to do so. A great case in point is all the current talk about the “4 Blood Moons” with no discernable prophecy connected with them coming true. In the church Age, we already have a completed revelation. When pastors and Bible teachers attempt to add to that, usually the end result is failure. Not a failure of the word of God, but a failure of “prophets” who are not commissioned to open their mouths and prophecy for the Lord. The Rapture of the Church will happen when Jesus Christ is ready to come get us, and not a moment before. And no, I do not believe that we can know the day or time of that event. What we SHOULD be doing, though, is witnessing to a lost and dying world and try to get them saved, and get the prodigals to come home.

      That’s what we should be doing, sharing the gospel.

      • MRH

        The Rapture of the Church will happen when Jesus Christ is ready to come get us, and not a moment before. And no, I do not believe that we can know the day or time of that event.

        Amen to both 😀

    • Wilkerson was taken violently from the earth. I know people don’t like to hear this but he met the fate of the false prophet (Deuteronomy 18:20) after he blasphemed the Holy Ghost’s work in Benny Hinn’s ministry. Both men encountered a devastating crash. Benny is still with us, still saving, healing and delivering in Jesus’ name. Open your eyes people! Praise God!

  • JCs

    Have you notices 2 Thessalonians 2 says he will reveal himself in the temple ? I was a pre- tribber but am not any more am a 6 sealer lol sorry i believe we raptured at the 6 seal and 7 we up in heaven-

    Why i feel this way is cuz the 7 year trib starts when anti christ confirms the 7 year covenant with many

    but he doesn’t reveal himself to the nations and world till the middle

    The middle is when the wrath will start- many believe Gods wrath is at the start of the 7 year trib when its not

    Its in the middle

    If we are raptured before sun turns dark and moon to blood and that great earth quake that will shake the whole earth and the sky will roll back like a scroll and the angels will seal the 144000 in there foreheads and then they will gather us from the 4 corners of the earth and off we go

    but the sun turning dark and moon to blood and that great earth quake doesn’t happen till the 6 seal which lands us in the middle and not at the beginning of the 7

    cuz we can’t be raptured untill he reveals himself too ? I don’t think its at the confirming of the covenant

    I think its like 2 thessalonians 2 says when he sitting in the temple

    Maybe you can see what i mean but the fake Jesus is coming first and the fallen angels before our real Lord-

    He will then take us up as the world will wail cuz they missed Him

    Then will the anegls start to plque down the plques upon this earth

    we up there as they do

    only thing that don’t make sense to me on the timelime is when Jesus comes back-

    His second coming cuz revelation 10 seems to sound like he comes to earth when the day of the Lord starts and yet that is when the plques start and that is in the middle of the 7 years

    Rev 10 is one to read and see what i mean

    i believe they are two times when we raptured and He returns as King of kings and Lord of lord on the white horse with all heavenly host and us

    But that isn’t till after the working of the lawless one and the tribulations of them days

    Sooooo days being shorten does that shorten Jesus coming to earth-

    but i have hard time with the sun and moon that is written all through the bible and that happens at 6 seal and i see that in the middle and not beginning

    Just wondered if you had ever seen it that way or have a explanation for it ty !

    • MRH

      Why i feel this way is cuz the 7 year trib starts when anti christ confirms the 7 year covenant with many

      but he doesn’t reveal himself to the nations and world till the middle

      The middle is when the wrath will start- many believe Gods wrath is at the start of the 7 year trib when its not

      @JCs: The 7 year trib theory is false doctrine! The tribulation is 3.5 years and begins midway into 70th block. The wrath follows rapture and is 7 years too. And the FP not AC confirms the covenant. The latter being a peace deal. As we are now in the Shemitah since 9/13/2015, and with Jubilee soon, this may be Daniels week. Consider upcoming events this month, especially the popes USA visit 😉

  • Rightly dividing is not add ing or taking away from the word. It is equally a sin to add to the word or to subtract. Rev22v 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
    19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
    Rev13v18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. I have quoted 2 scriptures the last the number of the man is 666 .PLEASE DO JUDAS ISCARIOT ADD UP TO 666.X =10,C=100, D=50,L=500 M=1000 ALLTHE OTHER LETTERS =1- JUDAS=I+1+50+11=63, ISCARIOT=I+1+100+1+1+1==105 i ONLY GET 168. No more foolishness.

  • Nancy

    My dear Geoffery:
    Always enjoy your posts. On this one your forgot what Dr. Ruckman said about Judas Iscariot. Iscariot means a man of Kerioth (sp?) which is in ancient Moab which is part of present day Jordan. The other part is ancient Ammon.Judas was the only one of the twelve that was not from the land of Israel. He was/is half Jewish and half Arab….and the Coming Prince is certainly from the Middle East according to Daniel.

    I have been watching that area for years and know that the King of Jordan believes that he has the real right to run the Moslem holy places including Mecca & Medina and the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.

    Several years ago, not long after he came to rule, the present day king errected an enormous flag (as big as a football field) on the coast of Jordan.It was not the Jordanian flag but the flag of the Hashemite royalty. Was this some sort of signal – I don’t know, but it is interesting don’t you think?

    Lord Bless You – keep up the good work.

    • My article doesn’t address the nationality of who the Antichrist will be, only that it in all likelihood will be a reconstituted Judas Iscariot. Doc has long said that he thinks the AC will be half-Muslim, half-Jewish world leader, and I would tend to agree with that. We also have to keep in mind the possibility that God just may supernaturally place the AC on the world stage,and if so, then the AC doesn’t have to even exist on this earth until that moment arrives. The Lord bless you, too 🙂

  • Clay

    I agree with you Geoff. I have studied the Word for years and I can’t come up with any other final analysis other than the Bride of Christ being Raptured from the earth before the antichrist and Jacob’s Trouble begins. We are going through tribulation (times/conditions){ not the Tribulation} but WE WILL NOT GO THEOUGH GOD’s WRATH as Scriptures tell us. HE will deliver US FROM THE WRATH TO COME. Amen. MARANATHA.
    Do you agree sir?
    Your site is the best and so informative. There is only one Bible. KVJ 1611 edition.
    Praise YESHUA
    clay, brother in Christ.

    • Yes, the Christian Church has ALWAYS had tribulation as a CONDITION, but The Tribulation, an EVENT, is a singular moment in time that will occur right after Jesus comes to get us in the Rapture.

      Thanks for the kind words 🙂

  • kiwiwatcher

    Greetings brother Geoffrey, brothers and sisters

    The anti-christ will at least be a Judas Iscariot type
    Those who remain will find he has an obsession with finance/economy – notably for himself. Perhaps this greed will generate Israel’s wealth and with his ‘signs and wonders’ have its occupants eating out of his hand.

    Judas was from Kerioth, the only non-Galilean among the chosen twelve.
    Luke 9: 1-2
    “Then he (Jesus) called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.
    And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.”
    Judas was treasurer of the twelve, also loved dipping into the collective purse/money bag.

    John 12: 3-6
    “Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment.
    Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, which should betray him,
    Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
    This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.”

    John 13:27-29
    “And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.
    Now no man at the table knew for what intent he spake this unto him.
    For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor.”

    God bless – not long now

  • Greetings kiwiwatcher!

  • Karen Zanzie

    I believed in pre-trib for most of my life until my brother said to me one day, “Karen, I want to read you a scripture and have you tell me what it means to you.” He read Rev 20:1-6:
    1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
    2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
    3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
    4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
    6 Blessed and holy is he that has part in the first resurrection: on such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with him a thousand years. When he finished reading that scripture, my mouth fell open; and I said, “I’ve never seen that before.” Of course I’d read that scripture many times before but had never seen that. There can only be a “first resurrection”. (By the way, this is KJV with words where I have just changed thee to you, thou to you, etc. as I too don’t want things to be changed according to another person’s interpretation.”) The second thing I want to point out is that the tribulation period is going to be 3 1/2 years, not 7. The Bible says the Anti-Christ will confirm the covenant for 7 years and then break it half way through, which is when the tribulation period will start. Three and half years will be long enough and you want to make it seven? Even then, the Bible says that God will shorten days for the sake of the elect. Wait a minute, did I just say the elect? Hum, if the elect are gone, why would he be worried about them making it? If you’re thinking he’s talking about the Jews, no he is not.

    I’m not going to post the scriptures from the gospels because they are really long. However, I will provide the scriptures and ask that you look them up for yourselves. They are Matt 24:3-36, Mark 13:4-30, Luke 21:7-36. All of these tell us that “after that tribulation” and “immediately after the tribulation of those days”, it tells us that we will see Jesus coming in the clouds and send his angels to gather his “elect” from the four corners of the earth. I don’t know of Jesus coming in the clouds to get his people more than once, do you?

    Many believe that the Christians won’t go through the tribulation because God hasn’t brought us to wrath. The tribulation is not God’s wrath; it’s Satan’s. God will return to take his people out of this world before he pours out his wrath: 1 Thessalonians 1:6-10
    6 And you became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost.
    7 So that you were ensamples to all that believe in Macedonia and Achaia.
    8 For from you sounded out the word of the Lord not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but also in every place your faith to God-ward is spread abroad; so that we need not to speak anything.
    9 For they themselves show of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;
    10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

    As someone else said in his/her comments, many have given up their lives for Jesus over the years. Who do we think are that we think are better than those who have gone before when we believe that we will escape while they did not. The following scriptures plainly tell his that the Christians will give up their lives for Jesus: 2 Thessalonians 1:4-10
    4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that you endure:
    5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer:
    6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
    7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
    8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
    9 Who will be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
    10 When he will come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
    Revelation 14:12-13
    12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
    13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, says the Spirit, that they may rest from their labors; and their works do follow them.
    Revelation 12:11
    11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

    Again, the Bible says Jesus will appear in heaven with his mighty angels “AFTER” he talks about the SAINTS are killed for him. He’s not talking about those in the early church only; he’s talking about all that have died and will die for him before “he appears in the clouds”.

    Daniel 7:21-25
    21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
    22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
    23 Therefore he said, The fourth beast will be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which will be diverse from all kingdoms, and will devour the whole earth, and will tread it down, and break it in pieces.
    24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that will arise: and another will rise after them; and he will be diverse from the first, and he will subdue three kings.
    25 And he will speak great words against the most High, and will wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they will be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

    This plainly says the “saints” will be worn out by the Anti-Christ and put into his hand for 3.5 years (NOT

    • Karen, who told you the Tribulation is satan’s wrath? And where did you hear hear that God is incapable of wrath? How do you explain Ezekiel 22:21
      “Yea, I will gather you, and blow upon you in the fire of my wrath, and ye shall be melted in the midst therof.”?

      • Revelation 6:15-16(KJV)

        15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men,
        and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the
        mighty men, and every bondman, and every free
        man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks
        of the mountains;

        16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us,
        and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the
        throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

        Satan has wrath, but his is caused because he is evicted
        from heaven and knows he has little time left ! Gods wrath
        is judging the world, God is clearly in control of the great
        tribulation, sending his judgements upon the earth !

  • Karen Zanzie

    I accidentally finished my comments before I was really finished. I meant to finish with NOT

  • Karen Zanzie

    Since I don’t want to “wear out the saints”, I’ll only add that meant to finish with NOT 7 years.

    One final thing, the Bible does say that, during that time, those that do know their God will do great exploits:
    Daniel 11:31-37
    31 And arms will stand on his part, and they will pollute the sanctuary of strength, and will take away the daily sacrifice, and they will place the abomination that makes desolate.
    32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant will he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God will be strong, and do exploits.
    33 And they that understand among the people will instruct many: yet they will fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.

    Though we won’t know the day nor the hour, we are given things to look for so we will know when the end is here: 1 Thessalonians 5:2-5
    2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night.
    3 For when they will say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction comes upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they will not escape.
    4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
    5 You are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

    Finally, for the person or persons who get so bent out of shape when we use the word “rapture”, the Bible calls it the “catching away”. When the time comes and you are ready to get “caught away”, you’re not going to care if it’s called “catching away” or “rapture” as long as you’re in it.

  • Collin

    Hi Geoffrey Grider,

    I think you’ve reached a little far with this one. SOP (Son of Perdition). Much like an article you posted a month or so ago about Ham sexually molesting Noah as the Bibles first instance of homosexuality. I don’t see this as divine revelation at all. I understand you love the KJV and claim it’s the “only true interpretation” of God’s word. When the Bible is translated for the first time into a new language today, it is translated into the language that culture speaks and writes today, not the way they spoke and wrote 400 years ago. The same should be true in English. The Bible was written in the common, ordinary language of the people at that time. Bible translations today should be the same. That is why Bible translations must be updated and revised as languages develop and change. The KJV Only movement is very English-focused in its thinking. Why should people who read English be forced to read the Bible in outdated/archaic English, while people of all other languages can read the Bible in modern/current forms of their languages? Our loyalties should be to the original manuscripts of the Old and New Testaments, written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. Only the original languages are the Word of God as He inspired it. But your right, we don’t all speak these languages. So, a translation is only an attempt to take what is said in one language and communicate it in another. The modern translations are superb in taking the meaning of the original languages and communicating it in a way that we can understand in English. However, none of the modern translations are perfect. Every one contains verses that are at least somewhat mistranslated. By comparing and contrasting several different translations, it is often easier to get a good grasp on what the verse is saying than by only using one translation. Our loyalty should not be to any one English translation, but to the inspired, inerrant Word of God that is communicated by the Holy Spirit through the translations (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

    You said in a comment earlier to Phony Name that “God isn’t bound by one language”. So why do you believe that God or His revelation is only bound by one English translation?

    • Actually, yes, I do believe that things get better when they are translated. Won’t YOU get a whole lot better after you are translated in the Rapture? Think about it 🙂

      • Collin

        Hi Geoffrey Grider,

        Listen I like the KJV. I think it’s awesome. However I don’t limit myself to only one English translation. Yeah I know that there are no doubt perverted translations circulating today (Queen James, the Jehovah’s Witnesses NWT, as well as the new NIV translations). But that doesn’t mean that all new English versions are bad. The ESV, and Holman Christian Standard are very good modern translations, and when you compare the three with the KJV you really get a better grasp of what God intended to say. A lot of people forget why King James authorized an English translation in 1611. Do you remember? It was the translation of the 1599 Geneva Bible. In fact, the Geneva translators are the first ones to add verses next to the Scriptures. It’s because of them that we have John 3:”16″.

        In 1604, the year after claiming the throne of England in 1603, King James I hosted and presided over a conference pertaining to matters religious, the Hampton Court Conference. While the Geneva Bible was the preferred Bible of Anglican and Puritan Protestants during the Elizabethan Age, King James I disliked the Geneva Bible and made his views clearly known at the conference: “I think that of all [English Bibles], that of Geneva is the worst.” Apparently, his distaste for the Geneva Bible was not necessarily upon all the translations of the numerous passages into English, but mostly the annotations in the margins. He felt strongly many of the annotations were “very partial, untrue, seditious, and savoring too much of dangerous and traitorous conceits…” In all likelihood, he saw the Geneva’s interpretations of biblical passages as anti-clerical “republicanism”, which could imply church hierarchy was unnecessary. Hypothetically, it followed that the need for a king as head of church and state could be questioned also. He had been dealing with similar issues with his Presbyterian-Calvinist religious leaders back in Scotland, and he wanted none of the same controversies in England. Also, if annotations were in print, readers might believe these interpretations correct and fixed, making it more difficult to change his subjects’ minds about the meanings of particular passages. So when two Puritans towards the end of the conference suggested that a new translation of the Bible be produced to unify better the Anglican Church in England and Scotland, James embraced the idea. He could not only be rid of those inconvenient annotations, but he could have greater influence on the translation of the Bible as a whole. He commissioned and chartered a new translation of the Bible which would eventually become the most famous version of the Bible in the history of the English Language.

        There are many great English translation proceeding the KJV (1526 Tyndale’s NT, 1537 Matthew’s Bible, And 1599 Geneva Bible). These translations were done by men who sacrificed their own lives, to get the Word to an English speaking people. The penalty according to the Church of England at that time, was death, usually burning at the stake! These men did it any way, because they revered God’s Word to be infallible without a doubt. By limiting yourself to just one English translation, your limiting yourself on the History of God’s Word in English. And to say God has ONLY preserved it in the Authorized 1611 KJV is ludicrous!

        • Collin, that’s why I like parallel Bibles: I do always compare them with the KJV. 🙂

          • Collin

            Hi Paricia Marie Mitchell,

            Agreed! I think it’s great to compare multiple translations, especially to the KJV. Sometimes the archaic language can be confusing.

      • Dan

        Translated or Transformed Geoffrey ?

        • I was TRANSFORMED into the 2 Co3 5:17 new creature at salvation, and I will be TRANSLATED from here to glory at the Rapture!

          • Dan

            You are CORRECT sir! Actually you were right in both posts.

            Actually I was trying to be clever as both would occur at the same

            time; I expect .

  • lorraine

    It’s not the English that’s the problem. It’s the different manuscripts which the scriptures are translated from. There are many NKJ verses which compared to the same verses in the KJ Version are more difficult to understand then the KJ Version. It’s not the English that’s the problem. It’s the corrupted manuscripts that are the problems. Eg. Virgin birth, the Blood, the coming of the Lord Jesus, the Trinity, are some of the fundamentals that have been tampered with or removed from corrupt manuscripts and most if not all English translations have come out of those manuscripts. The Textus Receptus is the manuscript used to translate the King James Bible. Check it out for yourselves. I did. I was so stunned that I couldn’t read the Bible for a while. I saw the deception as I studied the lies and realised that if Satan can’t get you away from serving God by alluring you into the world, he’ll come into the church and cause division by changing God’s word using evil men.
    Now the believers are saying…..
    ” DID GOD REALLY SAY”? Just like in the garden.

  • Richard K Ross

    How is that many feel that they should escape any persecution set to come upon America? Why is it everyone feels that they are better than 6 million Hebrews gased, burned, and tortured in concentration camps? We are going to suffer, and suffer tremendously for our faith. It also says we will know who the Antichrist is because we will still be here. Some of us will die, some will decide to turn their back on God to save their lives….Falling Away in large numbers when the pretenders determine it is not worth it to die. Few be that will enter in, not a majority as some would have you believe. Some of it is already beginning with more churches watching their pews become empty. The only packed ones are those who provide entertainment and refuse to utter the word, SIN!

    • Larry / vietnamvet1971

      Hey Richard you will get to be in the Great Tribulation IF you believe you will, for me I Trust in what Paul (the Preacher to the Gentiles) and the mystery JESUS revealed to him about the “Catching up” since rapture is a bad word for you.

    • Richard, it’s not relevant whether we think we should
      escape persecution, or who is better than who, no
      matter what your scenario. The fact is the rapture will
      happen when the fullness of the Gentiles (church)
      comes in. You can’t lose your salvation either !

      Eph 1:13-14 KJV
      13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the
      word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in
      whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed
      with that holy Spirit of promise,
      14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the
      redemption of the purchased possession, unto
      the praise of his glory.

      The day of redemption is either your earthly death
      or the rapture, everybody that believes upon Jesus
      for salvation is part of the church during the age of
      grace, and will go in a pre tribulation rapture when
      the full number of the Gentiles has come in !

      Romans 11:25 KJV
      For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant
      of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own
      conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel,
      until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

      You can’t lose your salvation during the age of grace,
      your sealed by the Holy Spirit. During the tribulation,
      it will be a faith plus works salvation where you can lose
      your salvation. Two different salvations ? The church and
      the tribulation saints !

      Rev 14:12 KJV
      Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that
      keep the commandments of God, and the faith of
      Jesus.

      The saints being believers during the great tribulation,
      the time of Jacobs trouble. Jeremiah 30:7

      If you lose your faith or your works are not Godly
      during the the time of Jacobs trouble ( Israel ) you
      will lose your salvation.

      So what we really do have right now through Jesus
      Christ is ” Amazing Grace ” !

    • Amen, Richard K Ross.

  • bremertonchristian, what do you think God put them out there for? And why did he number them according to Abraham’s heirs? And do you not understand the concept of speed of thought? And if it has not entered the mind of man all that God has prepared for them that love him, I can dream as big as I want. 🙂

    • bremertonchristian

      Exactly what He said He put them out there for. Re-read genesis.

      • Stop whining about it! If you don’t want anything to do with everything God has for his people just be happy and go on! Stop talking to me about it! It’s no skin off your nose! Stop talking to me!

  • MRH

    @Brandon:

    Okay for starters, Jesus told us Four times in John 6 that He would raise us up “at the Last day”. Martha, who apparently heard the teaching before, said the same thing in John 11.

    The last day is at the millennium, not after the tribulation. The rapture begins the first resurrection event, which ends at the millennium 😉

    Also, in Rev. 10 we are told that at the 7th trumpet the mystery of God should be finished as prophesied. The mystery is “Christ in you, the hope of glory.” We will be glorified! Also we receive our reward at the 7th trumpet which is Jesus!

    The mystery is the resurrection event 😉

    Jesus prayed that the Church would NOT be taken out of the world but kept from the evil. He can do that with us here, remember Noah i the ark and Israel in Egypt.

    Uhmm.. the church is taken to heaven after tribulation 😉

    After we are resurrected “then cometh the end”, not then cometh the tribulation.

    True 😀 The end is: Wrath; Day of the Lord; Harvest; THE END 😉

    One more note, the wrath of God is at the last day just after the rapture. We are spared from that.

    No, the rapture isn’t the last day (see above) 😉

    The sixth seal, seventh trumpet and seventh vile are all happening at the same time. On His way down He will rescue those who are alive and remain

    Uhmm.. the ‘vile’s’ are all in the wrath period. And I believe we are living in the; churches, seals, and trumpet days now. History declares things 😉

  • MRH, please do not take this as criticism, but the rapture and the resurrection are two different events. 🙂
    Also please, let me ask you, when these viles and these bowls are poured out do you see any repentance going on? No, men curse God for it all and refuse to repent. Where is the church? No church – no repentance!
    Revelation 16:8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
    9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
    10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
    11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
    Just saying. 🙂

    • MRH

      @Patricia: No worries unto words if kind, only if mean like with some 😉

      MRH, please do not take this as criticism, but the rapture and the resurrection are two different events. 🙂

      Yes and no depending on time and event factors. But the resurrection is first, followed by rapture. 1 Cor 15 explains things 😉

      Also please, let me ask you, when these viles and these bowls are poured out do you see any repentance going on? No, men curse God for it all and refuse to repent. Where is the church? No church – no repentance!

      The church departs before the wrath begins 😀

      P.S. If one is saved by the gospel, then one needn’t worry, as we are secured from damnation 😀

      • Those are very good words, MRH. To not worry is a command. 🙂

        • MRH

          @Patricia: We should worry for the sake of the lost, not for ourselves 😉

    • Patricia, why do you use all the scriptures that speak of the resurrection to prove the Pre-trib rapture if the rapture is not a resurrection? If no one repents during the tribulation and the church is not here, then where do all these tribulation saints come from? Out of thin air? Jesus is coming ONE TIME before the wrath of God is poured out at the end of the age. It’s called the first resurrection upon whom the second death hath no power!!

      • The rapture is a resurrection for those who precede us: the dead in Christ shall rise first. Thessalonians 4:16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
        This is not the resurrection of the dead spoken of in the Revelation.

        • MRH

          @Patricia: There are two bodily resurrections and two judgments, but at different times. The rapture is part of the 1st resurrection. At Christs return we are instantly changed, both the dead and living saints, and then afterwards caught up into heaven together. The dead do not precede the living. To ‘rise’ means to come back to life, not go to heaven. 1 Cor 15 and 1 Thess 4 concern same exact event 😉

          1Co 15:42-45, 49-53 KJV – So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. … And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

          The KJV translates Strongs G386 in the following manner: resurrection (39x), rising again (1x), that should rise (1x), raised to life again (with G1537) (1x).

          ἀνάστασις anástasis, an-as’-tas-is; from G450; a standing up again, i.e. (literally) a resurrection from death (individual, genitive case or by implication, (its author)), or (figuratively) a (moral) recovery (of spiritual truth):—raised to life again, resurrection, rise from the dead, that should rise, rising again.

        • MRH

          Patricia Marie Mitchell says:
          September 18, 2015 at 4:15 pm

          And?

          @Patricia: I’m sorry but I don’t follow your drift 🙁

          Did you not understand my above comment concerning resurrection/rapture?

          • Do you want me to argue with you?

          • MRH

            @Patricia: Well I gave you the scriptures, and so it’s your call to agree or disagree with my offerings. I can’t force you unto my point, and you can’t force me unto yours. So I guess we’ll just have wait and see what the future reveals? 💡 😉

            Fact: What we believe has zero effect on what is or will be. We can believe the rapture is imminent, but that doesn’t mean it is does it? We all shall continue to debate as none can prove things of mystery yet. And the resurrection/rapture is indeed a mystery, along with most bible prophecies? 😉

            Anyway, I sense much arrogance and know-it-all attitude in today’s church 😥 Paul has this to say in regards 😀

            Eph 4:29-32 KJV – Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you.

            P.S. One thing I’ve noticed since I first arrived here is the eternal bitterness among the bloggers. There is no sense of love and harmony here and probably never will be. NTEB is just another sensationalist news web site promoting; hate, fear, and confusion (ugliness). No better environment than YouTube or Facebook forums I’ve visited. Sometimes I question myself as to why I continue the no win stressing battles. I guess because it somewhat relives boredom?

  • edwitness

    I have never seen that before Geoffrey. Thanks for the info.
    WOW!
    Blessings:-}

  • lorraine

    No we do not have to understand the dark. Before Christ we were also in darkness. Now we are in the light and light exposes the darkness.

    • MRH

      @lorraine: It is necessary to understand the occult in order to expose it. And the world we live in is flooded with the occult and trend getting worse. As they say; “Ignorance is bliss”, and most folk are sheeple. I myself desire to not be left in the dark in matters, and also sheeple fall into the pit.

  • MRH, I ran out of available replies to your last comment. God loves you. Jesus loves you. Keep going on. You are doing alright. If there is anything that you need to do God will make it clear to you.

  • MRH

    @Patricia: I’m a witness unto God and truth. God installed me here and there to correct doctrinal error, and to enlighten the lost unto salvation. But my presence is as a thorn in the flesh not unlike were Jesus and the apostles 🙁

    Mar 6:1-6 KJV – And he went out from thence, and came into his own country; and his disciples follow him. And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands? Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house. And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.

    Act 13:45-50 KJV – But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming. Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth. And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region. But the Jews stirred up the devout and honourable women, and the chief men of the city, and raised persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them out of their coasts.

    2Ti 3:12-17 KJV – Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

    • MRH, is it true what was said that a witch put spells on you? We are going to pray for you now and God will set you free from all that. If you need to be set free from anything else offer it all to God now; let God do a complete work in you. Are you ready to take your next step with God?
      Anyone else who is reading this, are you ready to go deeper with God? Your passage has been paid for by the blood shed on a cruel and merciless execution day, long ago and far away on a hillside called Calvary. You don’t need to look any further into space, inner or outer, the King of the universe will meet you here and now. No need for him to look at you on that day and say, “I never knew you!”
      Say this: “Jesus, save me now! Save me to the uttermost! Don’t let me miss heaven for anything! Anything that displeases you, Lord, I repent from it! I renounce it now! I command it to leave me! And I thank you, Father that it is done, in Jesus’ name! Hallelujah!” Now let us pray for you. Everyone who is reading this pray now, O God, don’t let them miss heaven in Jesus’ name! Amen. Beloved, keep yourselves in the love of God.

      • MRH

        MRH, is it true what was said that a witch put spells on you?

        @Patricia: Not exactly, as her silly spells always failed. It was a roommate situation and a nightmare one at that, back in 2012. It was a favor for former friends, and I needed the rental income. Anyway, ‘Reminder’ is just trying to give me a bad rap. He doesn’t give a fig unto my life struggles and such. And I called him out below as a busybody and a troll which he is. So my best advice to you is to simply ignore his babble 💡

        As for my life struggles there’s really nothing you or others can do to help soften matters, all is between me and God. And I wish there were a solution, but there isn’t in this life. As for heaven, I’m as saved as I could ever be. None of us are perfect as we all fall short. But even so God is forgiving of our shortcomings. I hope you understand? 🙂

        • MRH, I’m not here to judge right now, are you going to be proud and stiffnecked or are you going to let us pray for you? Pride kept the devil out of heaven.

        • Reminder

          @ SPELLBOUND MRH,

          Are you sure those spells didn’t work?

          Someone makes a homemade video and projects it onto the Hoover Dam and all of a sudden you think the Dam is a demonic portal !!!

          Are you sure those spells didn’t work?

          You post a New Age site that says Jesus is an alien belonging to “Star Command” of the “Galactic Federation” !!!

          (The pope would be proud of you!)

          Are you sure those spells didn’t work?

          I think you should take that prayer offer SERIOUSLY !!!

          • MRH

            You are exactly like the school bullies which used to harass me. Only difference is they were both verbal and physically abusive, whereas you can only be a verbal bully.. thank God! And I only reply in self-defense, but such is proving a worthless approach. As once a bully always a bully. And bullies don’t get into heaven 😉

            Jde 1:9-13 KJV – Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

            P.S. Repent unto God of your evil heart, and it will be forgiven you 💡

    • Reminder

      @ MRH,

      You wrote:

      “@Patricia: … God installed me here and there to correct doctrinal error”

      Let’s see –

      You are an admitted “closet queen”, and God has sent you here to
      “correct doctrinal error” !!!

      Mark, Is Jesus a gay alien?

      Is THAT what you want to correct?

      If not, then why would God send a self-admitted “closet queen” to correct doctrine?

      Help me out here, will ya !

      Isn’t that something that you should explain?

      After all, God sent you ,right?

      • Reminder, STOP IT! Did you even look at his link? That’s not what it is!

      • MRH

        What is your frigging game goon? Have you nothing better to do than be a nosy jerk? There’s nothing godly in your attitude and actions. Do you think Jesus or the apostles would have acted like bratty kids? Get a hint goon.. begone! 💡

        busybody – Dictionary Definition : Vocabulary.com
        http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/busybody
        A busybody is a nosy, meddling person, who’s very interested in what other people say and do. If you’re a busybody, you can’t help offering advice to friends, whether they want it or not. Busybodies are known for trying to help with situations in which they’re not necessarily welcome or needed.

      • Reminder

        @ MRH,

        You have yet to explain why God sent you, a “closet queen”, to correct the doctrinal error of Mr. Grider’s site !!!

        • MRH

          @Reminder: NTEB is an underground sensationalist news site. NTEB is NOT the bible in declare! Mr. Grider and clan are only opinion oriented, NOT absolute fact presenters! In fact much of NTEB I take with a grain of salt, and maybe you ought consider likewise? 💡

          • But if you can voice your opinion it is fair. God bless you. God bless everyone who seeks the Lord Jesus Christ with all your heart and give you rest from all your enemies. Good night.

          • Reminder

            @ MRH,

            You:

            “NTEB is an underground sensationalist news site.”

            MRH, weren’t YOU a little bit (cough) “underground” when you posted pro LGBT comments in other peoples name, and did it ON PURPOSE? … and when called out (by Scott)and were told to stop you stated, “I don’t care”?

            Is that how an “appointed” man of God conducts himself?

            Is hat how God conducts Himself?

            You:

            “NTEB is NOT the bible in declare!”

            MRH, If that’s true, and God has sent you here for “doctrinal correction”, then why don’t you focus your corrections toward Mr. Grider?

            [I find that you “pretty much agree with him”, more than not!]

            You:

            “Mr. Grider and clan are only opinion oriented, NOT absolute fact presenters!”

            Again MRH, why don’t you focus your corrections toward Mr. Grider?

            You:

            “In fact much of NTEB I take with a grain of salt…’

            Let me get this right – God has sent you here, to NTEB, for doctrinal correction and you “take [NTEB] with a grain of salt” ???

  • MRH

    Reminder says:
    September 18, 2015 at 6:06 pm
    @ PRO LGBT MRH,

    You wrote:

    “Also I’m not pro LGBT (nor an activist type)! The LGBT topic doesn’t interest me, except I’m tired of all the obsession with it (overkill). Same with abortion, drugs, etc.. all trivialities driven into the ground 🙁 … ”

    Really?

    Did you ever write on another site that you were a “closet queen” ?

    If you can’t remember, I saved a copy of the page to help you remember.

    Also, On the ‘Hillsong/gay choir’ article,did you reply to eddie Santana and admit that you desired “LGBT game”?

    ………

    August 6, 2015 at 10:13 am

    @ eddie santana: The fact remains, no normal gendered person would remotely desire LGBT game! Why would they?

    Only the born AFFLICTED (victims of birth curse), or DEMON POSSESSED would (drunks, media recruits?).

    In a normal situation we think or feel whom we are? Also LGBT is still much more rare than one might think. Fact: 99% of the populace are of normal gender. I’m not (born eunuch.. hermaphrodite aspect),

    but then I MAKE UP THE 1% AFFLICTED FACTOR.

    ……………

    – Only the born AFFLICTED (victims of birth curse), or DEMON POSSESSED would (desire LBGT game)…

    – I MAKE UP THE 1% AFFLICTED FACTOR

    Didn’t you also say that the witch you lived with cast spells on you?

    Why are you so obsessed with me and my comments? Ever heard the term busybody? Why don’t you learn to mind your own damn business? 💡

    Mat 12:36-37 KJV – But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

    2Th 3:11 KJV – For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.

    1Ti 5:13 KJV – And withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.

    Lexicon :: Strong’s G4021 – periergos (busybody) = busy about trifles and neglectful of important matters – esp. busy about other folks’ affairs, a busybody – of things: impertinent and superfluous

    P.S. Not only are you a busybody but also an accuser and I think a troll. No good Christian would approve of your evil game. Repent or be damned! 💡

  • MRH, thank you for sharing that link.

  • MRH, again, I had no reply option to your comment offering to pray for me and thank you.

    • MRH

      @Patricia: What do you mean by ‘no reply option’?

      • I can reply to a comment but I can’t reply to a reply to a reply. It looks like after so many replies you have to start over with a comment. 🙂

        • MRH

          @Patricia: Thanks for explain. Must be site glitch?

          • Every reply starts a new column and so then you run out of room.

          • MRH

            @Patricia: There are 3 reply levels, after which requires new comment! That’s why I often copy/paste 3rd comment as new. Unfortunately the blog design is of limited user scope 🙁

            P.S. When inspired check out my above gospel karaoke stuff? And your critique unto things? Including poor quality vocal? 💡

  • In defense of MRH, if you were in his shoes you might take a lot of things with a grain of salt too. I know other people who test the internet waters before jumping in and I would still trust them with my life. Read his bio before you condemn. It’s not what you think it is. Yes we know LGBTs get a golden bowl, and we don’t want that for them, but that they would repent from their sin and turn to Jesus who is able to save to the uttermost, but in this case there are extenuating circumstances that if you yourself were in them you might not know how to react to things and people. Sometimes people don’t know where they belong. I never thought I’d hear myself say this, but can we be a little more helpful?!

  • MRH, yes, I will do that.

  • Grace

    S-O-P is very contrived. The Greek word is psōmion. So what do you do with that?

    • BARBARA WILSON

      “psōmion” or “morsel” or “bread” is not the sop – sop is the liquid that those are dipped into – like olive oil, or soup, gravy, spaghetti sauce…like if someone said something was a “sopping mess”, it’s not a big mess of bread being spoken of.
      The suggested expansion of “SOP” in terms of an abbreviation and a double meaning is quite insightful on Geoff’s part.

      • Grace

        Barbara ~ John 13:26 NKJ
        “Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.”

        In the Greek
        “13:26 ἀποκρίνεται ὁ Ἰησοῦς Ἐκεῖνός ἐστιν ᾧ ἐγὼ βάψας τὸ ψωμίον ἐπιδώσω καὶ ἐμβάψας τὸ ψωμίον δίδωσιν Ἰούδᾳ Σίμωνος Ἰσκαριώτη”

        The point I was making is ~ How do you get “son of perdition” out of the Greek word “ψωμίον”. If you read the Greek there is no SOP, it is “ψωμίον” You must translate and then contrive the translation.

        • MRH

          @Grace: In case you didn’t know, Geoffrey adamantly rejects Greek and Hebrew studies (KJV only allowed), and plus loves to twist scripture unto his own outlandish claims. Case in point his recent ‘blood moon’ article, where he claims that after the rapture the moon will become actual blood. Or his claim that Jesus coming back on a literal white horse, because it says such in Revelation. Well Geoffrey is clueless unto symbolism used throughout that book and in other prophecy stuff.

          FYI the term ‘blood moon’ is used only thrice in the bible, all other references to future event use the term ‘darken’, plus include all three things; sun, moon, stars.. and occurring simultaneously. Literally the entire heavens will be dark in the end. Below is my rebuttal to Geoffrey’s silly bloody moon claim 😉

          http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=35907#comment-1283281

  • Jim

    I agree Grace. Sop is a piece of bread. Not the Son of Peredition.

    • Dan

      Yea ole Geoff was reaching with that(sop).

  • lorraine

    Sop is a gravy type of soup not bread He dipped the bread in the soup/gravy

    • Jim

      Ok Lorraine. I stand corrected. Pray tell me then. Is Judas the Son of Perdition?The Antichrist in the book of Revelation? That is as far fetched as anything Ive heard here yet. Conjecture and speculation at best. Certainly not scriptual

  • lorraine

    Have been watching the Pope and all the pomp and ceremony in Cuba ? Tomorrow he arrives in the states, I keep on thinking about the wound that kills the antichrist whoever ever he may be ????? and that he rises from the dead. Just wondering .. The timing seems so right… ! I know the Pope could be the false prophet, would it be he who raises the antichrist from the dead.

    • Lorraine, the beast has 7 heads.
      Revelation 13:1And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 2And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

  • lorraine

    Hi Jim, The scriptures only speak of the son of perdition alluding to two people being the anti Christ and Judas. The is what I have found. The Lord showed me this about 10 years ago. The Bible says Judas went to his own place. Satan entered into Judas the Word says, and it also says that satan will enter into the man of sin, the antichrist. It speaks of the bottomless pit and this being coming up from it during the tribulation. Maybe a “copy-cat resurrection of Judas or the antichrist???? Maybe ??? same person.???
    You must pray about it. It seems strange and stuff we have not heard of before.
    When I first came upon it I tried to share it with leaders but they shrugged it off. Just pray and ask the Lord to reveal more. If it’s not true He won’t reveal anymore. So then just forget about it. Blessings..

    • Jim

      Lorraine. God Bless. My problem is if you dont have the witness of two or more scriptures without interjecting your own interpretation offer it as just that “speculation” not the gospel truth. The word “sop” doesnt confirm anything to me about Judas coming back as the “AntiChrist”. “His own place” as far as I know could mean eternal damnation. The point being I dont know for sure and neither does Geoff. But I do know this: Ephesians 10-18
      10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
      11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
      12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
      13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
      14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
      15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
      16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
      17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
      18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

      It doesnt matter who the AntiChrist is in the flesh. It is the embodiment of Satan and or his demons. Ever notice for everything God manifests Satan has a counterfeit dulicate. Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Hence, The Beast, Antichrist and False Prophet. Now you know Satan is not going to call himself the Beast or the Antichrist or the False Prophet. He will come proclaiming to be God himself. These are my beliefs. If I’m wrong. So be it. But I dont think I am. God Bless see you in Heaven Lorraine

      • MRH

        His own place” as far as I know could mean eternal damnation.

        @Jim: Scripture states things clearly 😉

        Act 1:18-20 KJV – Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out. And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood. For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

        Note: The ‘field of blood’ represents ‘his own place’. The ‘reward of iniquity’ is explained below 😉

        Mat 27:3-10 KJV – Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that. And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood. And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter’s field, to bury strangers in. Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day. Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value; And gave them for the potter’s field, as the Lord appointed me.

        Jhn 12:4-6 KJV – Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, which should betray him, Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.

        P.S. So you see, Judas was an evil man to begin with (a thief). But contrary to popular opinion, the 30 pieces of silver was not the ‘reward of iniquity’, since he cast them down in the temple and left. There were two separate ‘field of blood’ accounts bought in different fashion; Judas (the stolen money), Priests (the silver pieces) 😉

      • Dan

        I heard you Jim. Isn’t it frustrating when you post something so obvious and the replies are (what tha)? Geoffrey’s interpretation is just
        that ;wrong. Not to mention the title to this article is misleading. I enjoy our fellowship here on NTEB but they do sensationalize an article or two or three from time to time.

        • Thanks for calling NTEB “Sensational”, really appreciate it! 😉

          • Dan

            Sorry Geoff, but did you read my post on the 16th?

            Maybe sensational is the wrong word but do you understand why I felt let down because you got my hopes up with the title of your article.
            I expected some new information about the antichrist and I’ve been waiting for him to make his entrance.

            Maybe I take your blog to seriously sometimes and forget your trying your best to get us to read your stuff because good articles means more interest right?

            Yea sensational may be too sharp a criticism for a person I respect so I take it back.

            Just know your readers (at least the ones like me) will expect you to give certain topics a modicum of respect as to the information you have regarding it.

            But, its all good because you guys are 99.9 percent (The Best)

            when it comes to the subject of Eschatology.

            Blessings

            Dan says:
            September 16, 2015 at 3:44 pm
            Wow Geoffrey ,
            So in the end we don’t have to worry about who the antichrist is because we won’t be here. Here’s a better way to put it.

            DOES THE KING JAMES VERSION REVEAL THE IDENTITY
            OF THE ANTICHRIST ?

            Don’t worry about it ; we won’t be here !

            Geoffrey, you didn’t need to get my hopes up with that title. I like reading your articles already so I don’t need to be teased into reading them.

            Reply

  • lorraine

    Hi Jim, The scriptures only speak of the son of perdition alluding to two people being the anti Christ and Judas. The is what I have found. The Lord showed me this about 10 years ago. The Bible says Judas went to his own place. Satan entered into Judas the Word says, and it also says that satan will enter into the man of sin, the antichrist. It speaks of the bottomless pit and this being coming up from it during the tribulation. Maybe a “copy-cat resurrection of Judas or the antichrist???? Maybe ??? same person.???
    You must pray about it. It seems strange and stuff we have not heard of before.
    When I first came upon it I tried to share it with leaders but they shrugged it off. Just pray and ask the Lord to reveal more. If it’s not true He won’t reveal anymore. So then just forget about it. Blessings..

  • lorraine

    The Bible does not actually say he will sign a peace treaty. It says he will CONFIRM a covenant with many.

    • AndrewA

      Treaty and Covenant are synonyms as far as the English language is concerned.

      If you care to know why I am saying this please look up to an earlier post where I actually posted the definition of the words.

      • lorraine

        FWhen Lazarus was raised from the dead, yes the sister did say “we know that he will be raised up on the last day.at the last trump”.. but they were believing the teaching of the old testament.
        But we are the church, we have promise to the bride now,
        which is the dead in CHRIST to rise first, then those who alive to be changed and go up together, I’m sure that Mary Martha and Lazarus are going to be in The first resurrection when Jesus returns for His bride and we will go up with them to meet the Lord in the air.
        At THAT time the church had n’t been born and that family lived according to the law. Just like Peter John and all the others who were waiting at that time for the last trump.
        Reminder ……that much of which was addressed to the Jews is not addressed us Christians. The Word must be rightly divided. Much of Matthew 24 is addressed to the Jews of that day, that’s why we have the Holy Spirit to teach us what’s for us, the believer of today. Once we do this and with prayer there won’t be such confusion and misinterpretation.
        .

  • lorraine

    The Bible does not actually say he will sign a peace treaty. It says he will CONFIRM a covenant with many.
    Plus the Anti Christ must have a strong Jewish tie, the Jews would never accept or believe in a Muslim Messiah or a Catholic Messiah. He must be Jewish. Can you imagine an orthodox Jew believing in another.???? Does not
    The Word say he would be an Assyrian? Maybe a Syrian Jew. ?

    • AndrewA

      I have to assume due to the response you did not read the definitions I asked you to.

      Treaty and Covenant are synonyms.
      ——————————————————————–
      Treaty

      A compact made between two or more independent nations with a view to the public Welfare.

      A treaty is an agreement in written form between nation-states (or international agencies, such as the United Nations, that have been given treaty-making capacity by the states that created them) that is intended to establish a relationship governed by International Law. It may be contained in a single instrument or in two or more related instruments such as an exchange of diplomatic notes. Various terms have been used for such an agreement, including treaty, convention, protocol, declaration, charter, Covenant, pact, act, statute, exchange of notes, agreement, modus vivendi (“manner of living” or practical compromise), and understanding. The particular designation does not affect the agreement’s legal character.
      —————————————————————–

      Notice at the end the word Covenant was used as term that can be used to describe a treaty. A treaty by simple definition as an Agreement between two sovereign entities.

      The Beast will make an Agreement over the peaceful use of the Holy land specifically the temple. Due to it being an agreement of land the word Covenant is actually the best term to describe what type of Treaty.

      The Beast will however break it half way in the week.

      As for the Beast being Jewish yes I could not actually see the Jews accepting a none Jewish Anti Christ.

      However I have no idea what sort of strong Delusion that is going to take place. Geoffry’s case about it being Judas is actually the strongest with biblical backing.

      especially if you look at Revelation ch 17 verse 8

      8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

      Judas is the only human I have read in the bible that is spoken of as to being potentially in the bottomless pit.

      “That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.” Acts 1:25 (KJV)

      “his own place” is interesting description because he is not to have said to of gone to hell but somewhere else.

      Final note: Some would say that verse is describing just the government of the Beast but if you look later to verse 11 we are told it describes both the 8th head and the Government. So it is a description of a person and the person’s kingdom.

      Revelation ch 17 verse 11
      11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

      • lorraine

        Treaty or covenant don’t mind which. The key was CONFIRM The covenant, not signing it.. think maybe there has been a treaty already signed and he Will CONFIRM it. We assume it’s a peace treaty, as we connect the dots and believe its a peace treaty.
        As for the Judas son of perdition etc, I completely
        get it.

        • AndrewA

          I see what you are saying. Signing is essentially confirming.

          To confirm a legal agreement you have to give your signature. That does not mean necessarily he will write his name on a dotted line though. (some agreements today are actually confirmed via thumb print for example. In older days it was via a wax seal with the signet ring. As another example)

          We actuly seem to be an agreement from what I can tell.

          Have a good one.

          • lorraine

            Yes we are in agreement.
            Blessings

      • lorraine

        Treaty or covenant don’t mind which. The key was CONFIRM The covenant, not signing it.. think maybe there has been a treaty already signed?
        and he Will CONFIRM it.? We assume it’s a peace treaty, as we connect the dots so believe its a peace treaty.
        As for the Judas son of perdition etc, I completely
        get it.

  • lorraine

    When Lazarus was raised from the dead, yes the sister did say “we know that he will be raised up on the last day.at the last trump”.. but they were believing the teaching of the old testament.
    But we are the church, we have promise to the bride now,
    which is the dead in CHRIST to rise first, then those who alive to be changed and go up together, I’m sure that Mary Martha and Lazarus are going to be in The first resurrection when Jesus returns for His bride and we will go up with them to meet the Lord in the air.
    At THAT time the church had n’t been born and that family lived according to the law. Just like Peter John and all the others who were waiting at that time for the last trump.
    Reminder ……that much of which was addressed to the Jews is not addressed us Christians. The Word must be rightly divided. Much of Matthew 24 is addressed to the Jews of that day, that’s why we have the Holy Spirit to teach us what’s for us, the believer of today. Once we do this and with prayer there won’t be such confusion and misinterpretation.
    .

    • MRH

      When Lazarus was raised from the dead, yes the sister did say “we know that he will be raised up on the last day.at the last trump”.. but they were believing the teaching of the old testament.

      Dan 12:11-13 KJV – And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

      The first resurrection phase begins as indicated above (All saints from Adam unto the church will be raised at the 7th trumpet),…

      Rev 11:15, 18 KJV – And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. … And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

      … and ends at the millennium 😉

      Rev 20:4-6 KJV – And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

  • lorraine

    Hi Jim tx for reply. I do not believe that sop confirms anything to me. It’s the scripture which says that Judas was referred to as son of perdition and the scripture says that anti Christ will be the son of perdition. Two scriptures that bear witness. I feel peaceful about that but hey! It’s so close now it doesn’t matter. I’m just checking myself daily and more often so that He will find me worthy escape the things that are coming on the world. Blessings Jim.

    • MRH

      I’m just checking myself daily and more often so that He will find me worthy escape the things that are coming on the world.

      If you’re a true Christian then you are safe from coming doom 😉

      1Th 1:10 KJV – And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

    • Jim

      Oh Lorraine. God Bless. I couldnt let you going on thinking “sop” is soup. lol.
      http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sop

  • lorraine

    Hello Patricia X we don’t know who he is yet and we might go before he is revealed. However I’ll keep watching, it’s intriguing stuff. Blessings.

  • Bobby

    Through the Tribulation With Christ

    The idea that the righteous will all be raptured out of the world just before the time of trouble and that only the wicked will be left behind to endure seven years of tribulation can be very appealing. Perhaps that is why this doctrine has gained such widespread acceptance. But the Bible clearly teaches otherwise.

    The phrase “seven years of tribulation” does not appear anywhere in Scripture. However, Jesus did say that a terrible time of trouble would come upon the world just before His return and that it would be more intense than any other in the history of this world. In His great prophetic discourse on the Mount of Olives, Jesus made the following statement: “For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened” (Matthew 24:21, 22).

    If the elect were not in the world during the great tribulation, they would not need the days to be shortened!

    All throughout Scripture we see examples of the Lord saving His people through tribulation, not from it.

    Noah was not saved from the Flood, but through it.
    Daniel was not saved from the lions’ den, but through it.
    Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were not were not saved from the fiery furnace, but through it. In fact, Jesus went through it with them, and He will go through the great tribulation with us, as well!
    The children of Israel were not saved from Egypt before the plagues fell, but afterward. God demonstrated His love and power by preserving them in Egypt through the 10 plagues. In the same way, the righteous will be in the world when the seven last plagues fall (Revelation 16), but God will preserve them.

    God never promises that our lives will always be easy. Christ prayed to His Father for His disciples, “I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil [one].” (John 17:15) Likewise, in 2 Timothy 3:12 Paul declares, “All that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.” Paul also told a group of disciples that “we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.” (Acts 14:22).

    In His parable of the two home builders, Jesus taught that the storm comes to the wise man who builds on the rock just as surely as it comes to the fool who builds upon the sand (Matthew 7:24-27). The storm comes to all.

    The good news is that God’s children will survive the coming tribulation. They will endure by practicing some of the same survival skills used by the Great Basin bristlecone pine. Believed to be one of the oldest living trees on the planet, it can live more than 4,000 years. Found on lonely mountaintops, some of these ancient evergreens have weathered thousands of years of intense freezing wind, pounding rain, scorching sun, and violent electrical storms.

    How do they manage to survive such harsh, adverse conditions? They send their roots deep, wrap them tenaciously around a solid rock, and hang on.

    In the same way, the saints will have to sink their roots of faith deep into the Word of God and cling tenaciously to the mighty Rock of Ages. Remember that even though God does not always provide an escape from tribulation, He does promise to give us the power and strength to get through it. “I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me” (Philippians 4:13).

    • Larry / vietnamvet1971

      well another know it all comes in here to give his version of events and set us straight since we need it.

      Read the Parable of the wedding feast and see IF you are invited and will you be attending.

  • MRH

    Jerry says:
    September 23, 2015 at 12:57 pm
    Brandon…You are so right! Here’s just a couple verses that PROVE that there is NOT a “rapture” as Geoffrey describes! Revelation: 12:17 …the dragon makes war with those who have a testimony of Christ. Rev. 7:14 …righteous go thru great tribulation. Rev. 17:6…church of Satan drunk with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. Rev. 20:…those who were beheaded for the witness of Christ. Let me quote one…Rev. 13:7 “And it was given onto him to wage war against the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and people.” How can the “SAINTS” be “OVERCOME” IF they have been taken out before the trouble comes! The Pre-Trib. rapture is NON-SCIENCE! Geoffery, like so many who promote this Pre-Trib. rapture stuff “leads people astray”. Geoffery do some research and you’ll see that you are hurting people with these false teachings.

    @Jerry: All of the common tribulation theories are wrong, and as well other end time elements. Closely examine things; bible prophecy, conspiracy theory. Both elements must match to understand things 😉

  • lorraine

    The Bride goes first to the marriage of the Lamb. The saints that are beheaded during the tribulation become true believers after the rapture. You have the choice of laying down your life now……..or losing your life (head) during the tribulation. These are the souls under the altar. Then the 144000 are sealed so they are not harmed in Any way, they preach the Messiah and the kingdom during the tribulation. When their job is done that is another resurrection. The two witness preach against antichrist till they are killed and all the world view their resurrection. I think it’s all pretty straight forward. Geoffrey is preaching the absolute truth and is no novice.

  • CLSK

    Geoffrey I admire your ability to rightly devide the word of truth. The the quantity of comments trying to aggressively disprove the pre-trib rapture is disturbing to say the least. It only proves the lack of ability to doctrinally apply scripture. I think your devotion to KJV is outstanding. I am also an avid believer in using ONLY KJV Bible. It is exactly what God intended for us to have. I find it hard to believe if one was to honestly study their bible and believe in anything other than pre-trib that they somewhere along the way must have been strongly misled in some way that they just can’t shake and I’m sure that the misleading did not come from studying their KJV Bible.

  • edwitness

    I agree Barbara. I liked his article and believe he is on to something there.
    Geoffrey has a special gift for finding things like that. And I for one really appreciate it.
    Blessings:-}

  • Carl Smuck

    Many people believe that Barack Obama is the ANTICHRIST. Paul Kidd is one of many of those people. Another one is Jonathan Kleck. Alex Jones says that Barack Obama is closer to being Satan incarnate than any other man on planet earth.

    • MRH

      @Carl Smuck: To qualify as the wicked one, one must also be holy named Lucifer, and as well be the dark angel king Satan. No human being can qualify as such, as no human being can do miracles and magic without angelic help. Being thus said, all these human wonders are but puppets to deceive and destroy! They can’t be the wicked one, as they rely on his evil powers!

      • Isaiah

        ” To qualify as the wicked one, one must also be holy named Lucifer, and as well be the dark angel king Satan.”

        ~

        The Bible does not teach this.
        Satan would not be so stupid as to declare himself by his name openly.
        The antichrist “image” of Revelation is the image of a man.
        John revealed who that man is in the ORIGINAL text.
        The original has been altered in order to hide his identity.
        Christians don’t believe this because they don’t want to believe that they believed a lie.

        The Jesuit magicians has everyone looking to the future for an antichrist – that’s un-necessary, because John pointed STRAIGHT AT HIM !

        • MRH

          The Jesuit magicians has everyone looking to the future for an antichrist – that’s un-necessary, because John pointed STRAIGHT AT HIM !

          @Isaiah: So then what is his name then; Francis, Obama, Putin, etc? And Lucifer is called a man in the Isaiah passage, though he’s really an angel. Also the controlling elite worship Lucifer in secret.

          And there is another entity group called The Galactic Federation Of Light, headed by an entity named Ashtar, and Senada is called the Christ. This group claims to be our holy saviors, the heavenly host.

          In any case there are strange things afoot these latter days. Case in point CERN, and the Hoover Dam, among other mysteries. Pyramids and eyes, are everywhere now; structures, media, logos, etc. They are preparing for something huge and horrible, but hiding behind innocence.

          P.S. I do believe that HAARP may be behind many modern natural disasters, and the RFID technology is well under development, and of course there is; 666, FEMA, NASA, etc. Their end goal being globalization, involving depopulation and enslavement of the remaining populace.

  • Wendy

    “King satan”, my foot.

    • MRH

      @Wendy: Maybe you should open your eyes unto biblical truth? 💡 😉

      Isa 14:12-17 KJV – How art thou fallen from heaven, O <b<Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

      P.S. Satan will not present himself as a weak and dying old man (Francis), but rather as an angel of light! Do you not yet understand sister?

  • Wendy

    Oh, thank you, Brother, I am well aware that he comes as attractive and charming, etc. Horns and a red suit is not his style. Waaaay too obvious!

    I often call my Lord “my King” when I pray. I feel that one deeply and with affection.

    To think that the enemy being referred to as King gave me a knee-jerk reaction~~

    Peace to you.

  • lorraine

    Wendy understands very well. Satan is not a king, nor king satan. The aliens in your video are all demons.

    • MRH

      @lorraine: Are you saying that Satan is not the demon king? Yes, aliens are demons as video explains 😉

      Rev 12:7-9 KJV – And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

      P.S. I think we may have a technical misunderstanding? 🙁

  • Philip Barber

    LOL, I had taken you as a smart person until I read your misuse and abuse of the word ‘sop.’ Sure we use it to eat gravy, any kind, but to say that it means son of perdition is false. Since John wrote it in Greek, which is ψωμίον, he had not clue this word was going to be translated into English. What about other translations in other languages, such as from the AV of Spanish, where it says pan mojado. No way to get Son of Perdition there. Now Judas maybe and may not be the Son of Perdition in the last days but the clue is not from the word SOP. I expect better from you than this.

  • Laughing, All I can say is A Rapture? OH OK does this mean we can get the democrats back in the majority in the senate and congress in the USA? Stupid low income low IQ [mostly red necks & racists in the red states?] and fundie Christians voting for rEPuBLiTARD/republicans?

  • [quote from article]
    S = Son | O = Of | P = Perdition. Bam! After 23 years of knowing this and teaching this to people it still sends chills down my spine. God is so good.
    [end of quote]

    This acronym only works for your English version of the Bible. I read the FLS (French Louis Segond) version of the Bible and effectively, the word for “sop” is “morceau trempé” which means “sop”, or literally” “dipped piece”. But:

    The REAL KJV 1611 has the word “soppe”, NOT “sop”:

    “Iesus answered, Hee it is to whom I shall giue a soppe, when I haue dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gaue it to Iudas Iscariot the sonne of Simon.” John 13:26 KJV 1611

    It appears that the said “KJV 1611” you are reading is NOT the true “KJV 1611” version, but the year 1769 Baskerville Birmingham revision:

    “Any so-called “1611” King James Version you buy today at the local Christian Bookstore is absolutely NOT the 1611. .. it is the 1769 Baskerville Birmingham revision, even though it admits that nowhere, and may even say “1611” in the front… it’s just not true. Prepare to be shocked! The spellings have been revised, and some words changed, in almost every printing done since 1769, and fourteen entire books plus extra prefatory features have been removed from almost every printing done since 1885!”

    Source:

    http://greatsite.com/facsimile-reproductions/kingjames-1611.html

    If you want the REAL KJV 1611 Bible, download first the free program here:

    http://www.e-sword.net/index.html

    then after installation click the tab “download”, “Bible” and select the versions you want (most, including the true KJV 1611 and the KJV 1769 are free)

    If you prefer the KJV 1769 you are using now, then I suggest that you call it what it is: the “1769 Baskerville Birmingham revision” version in your website, so people won’t be confused with the “KJV 1611” version.

    God bless you!

  • Bro. J

    Scientific Proof of the Bible
    The Bible is estimated to have been written between 1450 B.C. and 95 A.D. This chart shows scientific facts and principles referred to in this ancient Bible, but not actually discovered by humankind until later centuries. Dead sea scrolls, historical documentation, and word of mouth all confirm the authenticity of the Bible. Since people had no official knowledge of these scientific facts until more than a thousand years after the Bible was written, is this scientific proof that the Bible was inspired by God!

    Scientific Fact or Principle
    Bible reference

    Date of discovery by man 17th Century
    Both man and woman possess the seed of life
    Genesis 3:15

    There is a place void of stars in the North 19th Century

    Earth is held in place by invisible forces 1650
    Job 26:7

    Taxonomic classification of matter 1735
    Genesis 1

    The Earth is round 15th Century
    Isaiah 40:22

    Certain animals carry diseases harmful to man 16th Century
    Leviticus 11

    Early diagnosis of leprosy 17th Century
    Leviticus 13

    Quarantine for disease control 17th Century
    Leviticus 13

    Blood of animals carries diseases 17th Century
    Leviticus 17

    Blood is necessary for life 19th Century
    Leviticus 17:11

    Oceans have natural paths in them 1854
    Psalms 8:8

    Earth was in nebular form initially 1911
    Genesis 1:2

    Most seaworthy ship design ratio is 30:5:3 1860
    Genesis 6

    Light is a particle and has mass (a photon) 1945
    Job 38:19

    Radio astronomy (stars give off signals) 1945
    Job 38:7

    Oceans contain fresh water springs 1920
    Job 38:16

    Snow has material value 1905, 1966
    Job 38:22

    Infinite number of stars exist 1940
    Genesis 15:5

    Dust is important to survival 1935
    Isaiah 40:12

    Hubert Spencer’s scientific principles 1820
    Genesis 1

    Air has weight 16th Century
    Job 28:25

    Light can be split up into component colors 1650
    Job 38:24

    Matter is made up of invisible particles 20th Century
    Romans 1:20

    Plants use sunlight to manufacture food 1920
    Job 8:16

    Arcturus and other stars move through space 19th Century
    Job 38:32

    Water cycle
    Ecclesiastes 1:7 17th Century

    Life originated in the sea 19th Century
    Genesis 1

    Lightning and thunder are related 19th Century
    Job 38:25

    Human beings were the last living things created 15th Century
    Genesis 1

    • Thanks Bro J,
      Though no scientific “proof” is needed to know Jesus as savior, proof is indeed there. Good job putting this together.
      Blessings:-}

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