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In Historic First, Iran Sends Warships To Atlantic Ocean

| January 21, 2014

Iran’s navy has dispatched warships on a mission to the Atlantic Ocean for the first time in history, an Iranian news agency said. The flotilla, consisting of a Khark logistic and helicopter-carrier warship and Sabalan destroyer, could journey as much as 25,000 nautical kilometers in the next three months, Fars News reported Tuesday.

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No specific military mission was identified, and no ports of call were mentioned.

Bidding farewell to the crews, Rear Admiral Seyyed Mahmoud Moussavi said Iran has a message of peace and friendship for the nations of the world and only seeks to display its defensive power capabilities.

But previous statements by high-ranking Iranian naval personnel had declared Iran’s intention to dispatch a next flotilla of warships to the high seas at around this date to protect the country’s cargo ships and oil tankers against pirate attacks.

According to navy Commander Rear Admiral Habibollah Sayyari, “The navy’s next flotilla will be dispatched to either the Pacific Ocean or the Atlantic on January 21 – February 20.” He underlined that the flotilla will pass through the Mediterranean Sea to reach the Atlantic Ocean.

Since November 2008, the Iranian navy has been operating anti-piracy patrols in the Gulf of Aden, after Somali buccaneers hijacked the Iranian-chartered cargo ship, MV Delight, off the coast of Yemen. The Gulf of Aden — which links the Indian Ocean to the Mediterranean via the Suez Canal — is a critical energy corridor and the primary route for Persian Gulf oil shipped to Western markets. source – Times of Israel

 

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  1. STL says:

    Look like Iran is doing the same thing as China doing!

  2. Ron Murphy says:

    Just, Iran flexing their muscles.

  3. STL says:

    RON MURPHY WHY DO NOT YOU HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THE 4 HORESMAN?

  4. Teresa B says:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-25819895

    This is so incredibly sad what goes on in the rest of the world.

  5. Joshua 1:9 says:

    Joshua 1:9
    Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for The Lord thy God is with thee withersoever thou goest.

  6. Bo says:

    I hope this posts. Not sure why things have changed for posting. I had asked for some help to help me understand what “The Day of The Lord” means. I did get a response from 2 bloggers here but what they responded with does not convince me that it was accurate or more important true.

    Anybody else out there help me understand what “The Day of The Lord” means.

    • Teresa B says:

      Bo this may help as well from his point of view

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Bo You are not going to get a more clearer answer than what I told you. Others will say it’s the rapture. I say it’s the millennial reign and starts at the time of the rapture after the tribulation. The day ends at the White Throne Judgment. When?
      1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
      1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
      1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
      1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
      1Co_15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
      1Co_15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
      Heb_2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
      Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
      Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        How can the earth be destroyed before the end of the thousand years if people are still living here as we are now?

        The day of the Lord has to be the 1000 year reign. For it is not destroyed until the end of the millennium. Study it out, Bo. He’s making a new heaven and a new earth. For the first will passed away. Rev 21:1

      • suez says:

        @Ron, Hey buddy, On this one I may have to disagree. I just listed all the verses in the Bible about the Day of the Lord. there are 23. I don’t see it at all meaning the Millennial Reign. Read all of them. It talks about darkness and it being for a time of the Heathen. “the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.” I may be wrong, but is the Mill. reign described this way? These are all the verses about the thousand years. At least all that were listed, looking at thousand years. Psalms 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
        Ecclesiastes 6:6 ¶Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?
        2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
        Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
        Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
        Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
        Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
        Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
        Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

        • Ron Murphy says:

          What about 2Peter 3:8? And the fact that the day of God comes right after?

          2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

          Do you mean to tell me the earth will melt away in God’s wrath, the poor Jews what are they going to do, And I thought I taught you people, that the sea is still here in the millennium?

          2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

          Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

    • suez says:

      @Bo some scriptures to study for yourself. You don’t needs mans teaching all the time. Pray and read the word, ask the Holy Spirit to show you the truth in this! Ezekiel 30:3 For the day is near, even the day of the LORD is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen.
      Joel 1:15 Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.
      Joel 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
      Joel 2:11 And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?
      Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
      Joel 3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
      Amos 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.
      Amos 5:20 Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?
      Obadiah 1:15 For the day of the LORD is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.
      Zephaniah 1:7 ¶Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord GOD: for the day of the LORD is at hand: for the LORD hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests.
      Zephaniah 1:14 ¶The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.
      Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
      Malachi 4:5 ¶Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
      Acts 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
      1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
      2 Corinthians 1:14 As also ye have acknowledged us in part, that we are your rejoicing, even as ye also are ours in the day of the Lord Jesus.
      1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
      2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. I hope these help you!!! :-)

  7. Ron Murphy says:

    Question? How can the rapture of Matthew 24:31 be when the Lord return to earth for the battle of Armageddon, as so many claim it to be, so they can have another one before tribulation, if the are running and hiding in the rock and the mountains? Can you hide and cry to the mountain and say fall on us and at the same time fight a war?

    Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
    Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
    Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
    Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
    Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

  8. Bo says:

    Teresa B. Your link is just what I needed. Thank you so much. 1 Corinthians 15:3,4. Believe it. Share it.

    God bless to you all.

  9. Rick M says:

    Looks like target practice for our submarine boys. We already have plenty of pics with cross hairs in them. Those iranians are nothing but ‘targets’. muhhahahahahaha

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    PLANNED INCOMPETENCE?
    PART 1

    By Dennis L. Cuddy, Ph.D.
    January 20, 2014
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    In 1957, Egyptian president Gamal Abdel Nasser wrote: “The genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid mistakes, only complicated stupid ones, which makes us wonder at the possibility that there may be something we are missing.” What Nasser was close to asking was whether Americans (acting for the Power Elite, PE) were operating with “planned incompetence,” or PI. “Planned incompetence” is when a nation or individual seems to act in a mistaken way that indicates it doesn’t know what it is doing, but it really does!

    For example, Nasser came to power in 1952 as the U.S. was engaged in the no-win Korean War. You might ask why any nation would become involved in a war it didn’t want to win. Although Gen. Douglas MacArthur was confident that we could win that war, he was blockled by President Harry Truman, who was a puppet of the PE, as are most world leaders The PE’s goal is a world government, and on June 28, 1945, Pres. Truman had said: “It will be just as easy for nations to get along in a republic of the world as it is for us to get along in the republic of the United States.” And as Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) member Lincoln Bloomfield would later write, a “world government” would come about “through the establishment of supranational institutions, characterized by mandatory universal membership and some ability to employ physical force….(But) if the communist dynamic were greatly abated, the West would lose whatever incentive it has for world government.” Therefore, since Pres. Truman had helped bring the communists to power in China in 1949 (through Gen. George Marshall’s denial of working weapons to the Nationalist Chinese), he disallowed Gen. MacArthur’s military action against the Chinese Communists as the main supporters of communist North Korea.

    In the same year (1952) that Nasser became head of Egypt, Herman Dinsmore became foreign editor of THE NEW YORK TIMES until 1960, and wrote in ALL THE NEWS THAT FITS (1969) that “the weight of THE NEW YORK TIMES has generally fallen on the communists since the end of World War II.” This is perhaps one reason THE NEW YORK TIMES didn’t expose the fact that Cuba’s Fidel Castro was really a communist.. When Castro came to power in 1959, he was presented as only a freedom fighter. Several years later when he announced that he was a communist, it looked like the American government had simply been incompetent in not knowing he was a communist, when the fact was we knew he was a communist all along—another example of PI ?

    In the mid-1960s, President Lyndon Johnson began to increase greatly our military presence in the Vietnam War, but it was once again conducted as a no-win war. Over 50,000 American soldiers were killed before the war was over, as we hadn’t seemed to learn anything from the results of our no-win strategy in the Korean conflict. Actually, this apparent incompetence served the PE’s purposes well. One of the lesser known founding fathers, Philip Freneau, in AMERICAN MUSEUM (July 1792) explained how losing wars would be part of the elite’s strategy to regain control over the United States after our successful war for independence against the British.

    Prior to the Vietnam War, patriotism was an important value among young Americans. However, pollster Daniel Yankelovich found that by 1973, only 19% of college educated youth and only 35% of non-college educated youth between 16 and 25 years of age thought patriotism is an important value. This great decline in the importance of patriotism was necessary for the PE to establish a world government under which national loyalties would be subsumed.

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    In 1979, the Shah of Iran was removed from power and replaced by the Ayatollah Khomeini, who would later have his supporters take over the American Embassy in Teheran. President Jimmy Carter’s failed attempt to rescue our Embassy hostages looked like bumbling incompetence, but was it really? According to an April 30, 1980 “Foreign Report” by THE ECONOMIST NEWSPAPER LIMITED, what was actually occurring was a signal to the Soviets not to attempt to invade Iran! “Foreign Report” wrote that “although to the rest of the world the American raid appeared to be a pitiful failure, the unreported circumstances of the raid demonstrated to Russia that the American armed forces are able to send a large force (very much larger than the tiny force that landed in Iran) into a remote area of potential conflict…with success….The (American-Iranian) back up force already in place (before the raid) was extensive, numbering 2500-3000 men.” Was this also an example of PI?

  11. CharliesWar says:

    BLOW them out of the water….their presence is an act of war….Kill them now and GET TO THE CHOPPER NOW!!!

  12. STL says:

    Ron Murphy: What is the diference between 1 Thess. 4:17 meet Jesus in the air ( atmosphere) and Jesus coming to the 2nd Coming on Mount Olives. They are two seperate events and when will each event happen, as you say in the end of the Tribulation? Now I want you to prove from scriptures how and when these 2 events happen?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Thank you for asking, STL. I’ll do my best for you!

      There is no doubt that 1Thess 4:17 is the Rapture we both know that, so I’ll try to distinguish the timing of them with scripture. Give me about an hour to get it together. I want it to be right for you. I’ll leave it here, though.

  13. Teresa B says:

    This Blog

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    US Feigns “Horror” Over Cooked-Up Report on Syrian War They Engineered
    Qatar – chief financier of Al Qaeda in Syria – commissions “report” on atrocities published just ahead of Geneva conference.

    Update: Further details have emerged regarding the authors of the report. It was produced by British law firm Carter-Ruck on behalf of Qatar who funded it (CNN). Carter-Ruck had in the past defended Saudis suspected of funding Al Qaeda.

    ABC’s “U.S.: Saudis Still Filling Al Qaeda’s Coffers,” would report that Yasin al Qadi was being represented by Carter-Ruck against US charges filed just after 9/11 claiming he was financing Al Qaeda. It should also be noted that Yasin al Qadi is a close ally of US’ partner in the Syrian conflict, Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey. The suspicious report, conveniently released just a day before the Geneva conference, emerging from a tangled web of state-sponsored terrorism and dubious Western law firms only further taints the West’s image as they go into “peace talks” regarding Syria.

    ….

    January 22, 2014 (LD) – As with every Western-backed conference assembled regarding Syria, dramtic fabrications revealed just ahead of proceedings are intended to give them and their predetermined outcomes both gravity and “urgency.” Upcoming “peace talks” to be held in Switzerland are no exception. A report cooked up by the unelected dictatorship in Qatar is based on an anonymous source, codename “Caesar,” and remains admittedly unverified.

    The BBC’s report, “US and UN express horror at Syria torture report,” claims:

    The report, by three former war crimes prosecutors, is based on the evidence of a defected military police photographer, referred to only as Caesar, who along with others reportedly smuggled about 55,000 digital images of some 11,000 dead detainees out of Syria.
    The BBC then reveals the propaganda value the report is intended to serve in upcoming talks by stating:

    US state department spokeswoman Marie Harf said it “underscores that it makes it even more important that we make progress [at Geneva II]. The situation on the ground is so horrific that we need to get a political transition in place, and we need to get the Assad regime out of power.”
    Of course, spokesman for UN Human Rights Chief Navi Pillay would admit the report remains unverified (emphasis added):

    Rupert Colville, spokesman for UN human rights chief Navi Pillay, told AFP: “This report is extremely alarming, and the alleged scale of the deaths in detention, if verified, is truly horrifying.
    Codename Caesar, Codename Curveball

  14. STL says:

    Bo: You brought up about the earth and heavens will pass away, this does not mean destruction of it, like in 21:5 I am making all things new and in 21:1 it meantion there are no more seas, why would God meantion no more seas, if He was going to destroy this earth and heaven?

  15. Ron Murphy says:

    Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    The big question is, when is this rapture, and is it a rapture, anyway?
    Well, another way to ask that is perhaps, could this be Christ’s return to earth to the mount of Olives, or a rapture for the Jews at the end of tribulation?

    Let’s take a look at Christ’s earthly return first.
    Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
    Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
    If we are following Christ on white Horses, then why would we need gathering in the clouds? We are coming to fight a battle, not run free all over the earth and sky. This is referring to the battle of Christ’s conquest. It mentions heaven opening, and His army following, but no stopping on the cloud, to gather here in Rev 19. This is when He comes to put His feet upon the Mount of Olives. I personally believe the battle will happen first, and then He stands on the Mount. One scripture that validates this is:

    Zec_14:5 and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
    This verse follows the verse of Christ standing on the Mount, when it cleaves into, Zech 14:4. Zech 14:2 tells us of a gathering , but not of the saints, rather a gathering of the nations, Gog, Magog and all his bands. The reason Gog was mentioned, is because he is leading the kings of the north and east to battle when they cross the river Euphrates, 6th vial, Rev 16:12. There will be no pit stops from heaven to earth, when we come to the battle of God Almighty, Rev 16:14. Even Ezek said the southern nations would be with Gog when he’s gathered, Ezek 38:5. No sign of a trumpet, no sign of a shout, what would be the purpose?

    Now what about the Jews and trib saints raptured in Matthew 24:31, after tribulation? Well, to begin with, these are the tribulation saints, reguardless when the rapture occurs. But these are not the Jewish remnant. The Jewish Remnant (144K) must be here, for the Lord to protect, when the battle occurs. That is when He pleads for His people, Zech 12:8, Zech 9:15, and Joel 3:2.

    The Jewish remnant must be here, because they must go through the fire of God’s wrath, how be it, they are sealed for protection from the wrath, Zech 13:8,9.

    I’ll finish with the rapture of Matthew 24 one another post a little later. Please take the time to run the verses, My words mean very little, but God’s words followed in the right sequence is outstanding. Precept upon precept, if you will? God bless you!

  16. Ron Murphy says:

    Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

    If we are following Him, why would He need to gather us from all over the place?

    Mar 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

  17. suez says:

    I will read some more Ron. I never said I was right… just gave some other scriptures. So are you meaning the day of the Lord is at the end of the mill. Right? I think I’m getting a new revelation……stay tunef. Lol

    • Ron Murphy says:

      No, Sue , I mean the day of the Lord is the Millenium. What we consider a day is like a 1000 years to God.

      2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        But what I’m saying is the earth melts away and is destroyed completely at the end of that day, at the end of the thousand years.

        2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

  18. suez says:

    Tuned…sorry. this dumb phone and it’s little button s. :-)

  19. Maybe that ship is harboring a nuke that nobody knows about? How far is 23 000 nautical miles? Will it reach Israel?

  20. STL says:

    RON MURPHY: YOU THINK I SO WORRIED ABOUT THEB RAPTURE, BUT YOUR COMPLETELY WRONG ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE IT THE LEAST OF MY PROBLEMS WHEN THE RAPTURE OCCURS OR WHEN THE TRIBULATION STARTS OR ENDS.

    THE DAY I ACCEPTED JESUS CHRIST AS MY SAVIOR IN 1973, I GAVE MY COMPLETE LIFE TO HIM, AND OVER THE YEARS I HAVE BACK SLIDED, FROM FOLLOWING AFTER MY SAVIOR, BUT THIS TAUGHT ME TO BE THAT MUCH STRONGER IN MY FAITH FOR MY SAVIOR, AND EACH TIME I CAME BACK TO HIM, HE WAS THERE WITH OPEN ARMS TO ACCEPT BACK TO HIM, IT DOES NOT MATTER TO ME IF YOUR RIGHT OR WRTONG ABOUT THE TIMING OF ANY EVENT IN OUR PAST, PRESENT OR THE FUTURE EVENTS. I ONLY WANT TO GO HOME AND BE WITH MY SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, THIS WORLD IS LOST.

    WHEN I ACCEPTED JESUS CHRIST IN 1973, AT THAT MOMENT I KNEW I DID NOT BELONG TO THIS WORLD, MY HOME WAS IN HEAVEN. BUT JESUS WANTED ME TO SHOW OTHERS BY MY ACTIONS HOW MUCH I LOVED HIM TO OTHERS, AND I ACCEPTED THAT FROM HIM.

    EACH TIME I RAISE MY HANDS TO MY LORD, MY SENSATION OF FEELING, THAT HIS SPIRIT TOUCHES MY SPIRIT.

    EACH NIGHT I RENEW MY SALVATION, IN REQUESTING FORGIVENESS OF MY DAILY SINS TO HIM, WHICH I FEEL ASHAME OF THESE SINS AGAINST HIM.

    SO LORD COME! I’LL WAIT UNTIL YOU RECIEVE ME INTO YOUR ARMS.

    • Remain calm stl, it is not worth it to get upset with ron

    • Ron Murphy says:

      STL, it sounds like you got the right attitude about thing, now. You shouldn’t worry. It shouldn’t be a concern, you should never fear it. Trust only in Jesus and hold to His hand through it all. That is my message, STL. It has never been to fear. Besides if the rapture did occur before trib, do you believe everyone would go in it. No, STL people are crucifying Christ everyday, with their judgment of each other one calling the other cults and judging them because they believe different. Calling the of satan , because they don’t believe like they do, attacking viciously, those whom Christ died for. Many would be left behind if it were so. I could see nothing good come from a pretrib rapture but a whole lot of disappointed Christians. It will take the tribulation to pull us all together. Because we will all have to suffer because of righteousness sake, but because of our judgmental attitudes toward one another. Oh how we drive the nails into the palm, of Christ doing so. It will be righteousness that we die for , for the fire of tribulation will purify us!

      • suez says:

        @Ron, and that is a FACT!!! Jesus is coming for a church without spot and wrinkle. Is that the Church today!!! I think not. We are a mess!!! Unfortunately, it will take great tribulation to pull us all together I believe. I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t think so. :-(

      • STL says:

        Ron Murphy: The tribulation is not for suffering, its for fear. Most people what they can not see or touch fears it, if the Rapture occurs before the tribulation, only a few will go to heaven, possibly a few million compare to 7 billion,which is just a few. Then how many people thought they were christians, would abandoned God, many would fall. So we all do not have all the answers, and following world events is a guessing game. So in time it will all fall together, which will be more clear to us.

    • suez says:

      Ron, I knew you were wasting you time. He just won’t listen to anything. Even scripture! How very sad. :-(

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Well, Sister your probably right about him. But still I’m not wasting my time. Some one out their may need to hear it. God bless you, Sue, for standing on the Rock!

        • suez says:

          Ron, very good point! Yes hopefully someone will care enough to look up the scriptures and at least prayerfully read them and ask God to show them truth. That really doesn’t take a lot. It is what we should all be doing each time we open the Word of God!! :)

      • STL says:

        Suez: why do not you read Ron’s post 47: STL, it sounds like you got the right attitude about thing now.

        Then your post 51: Ron, I knew you were wasting you time. He just won’t listen to anything. Even scripture! How ver sad.

        Suez: Get this into your mind, I do not care if and when the Rapture occurs or the 7 year tribulation.

        I keep in my mind that I accepted Jesus Christ as my Savior and I accepted Jesus gift of Salvation and I go to Jesus each night requesting from my mind, soul and heart forgiveness of my daily sins against Him.

        So how am I not following scriptures?

  21. Ron Murphy says:

    Act_14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

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