THE WISE SHALL UNDERSTAND

A Race-Obsessed Obama Blames Skin Color, Not Policy, For Low Approval Rating

| January 19, 2014

In Mr. Obama’s highly-distorted view of the county over which he is the president of some of the people, his job performance could never be the reason why people dislike him. Never mind that he is currently presiding over the NSA Spying Scandal, the IRS 5013C Against Conservatives scandal, the Fast and Furious Gunrunning Scandal, and the Benghazi Cover-up scandal, all of which were created either directly or indirectly by him and his administration. His massively unpopular attempt at American Marxism, aka Obamacare, is so unpopular that Nancy Pelosi screamed at the top of her lungs that “it’s not called Obamacare, it’s the Affordable Health Care Act!!”.

Yet, in the midst of all this political stupidity, gross incompetence and New World Orderism, Mr. Obama can only see the color of his skin as the reason why less and less people like him.

Bloomberg: President Barack Obama said that racial tensions may have softened his popularity among white voters within the last two years, according to a story posted on the New Yorker magazine’s website today.

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There’s no doubt that there’s some folks who just really dislike me because they don’t like the idea of a black president,” Obama said in the article by David Remnick, appearing in the magazine’s Jan. 27 edition.

“Now, the flip side of it is there are some black folks and maybe some white folks who really like me and give me the benefit of the doubt precisely because I’m a black president,” Obama said in his most direct comments on how race has affected his political standing since he’s been in office.

Obama’s second term has been marked by controversies including a partial government shutdown in October, revelations that the National Security Agency has gathered personal mobile phone data and the troubled rollout of health-insurance expansion.

Obama’s approval rating among all voters is 39 percent and his disapproval rating is 53 percent, according to a Gallup Poll conducted Jan. 14-16. In the 2012 presidential election, Republican candidate Mitt Romney won 59 percent of the white vote, compared with Obama’s 39 percent, according to exit polling by a consortium of major news outlets. Obama won 43 percent of the white vote in 2008 against 55 percent for opponent John McCain, a Republican senator from Arizona.

Obamacare Blamed

“Poll after poll makes it very clear that Obamacare and other job-killing policies are the reason” for the president’s decline in popularity, Republican National Committee spokesman Sean Spicer said in a phone interview today.

Obama offered reflections on a variety of subjects in the New Yorker story, including his view about the dangers of playing professional football, which has been the subject of media scrutiny over players’ head injuries.

“I would not let my son play pro football,” the article quotes Obama, the father of two daughters, as saying. When asked by Remnick how those dangers squared with his enjoyment of the game as a spectator, Obama said professional players are aware of the inherent risk in playing a full-contact sport.

Like Smokers

“They know what they’re buying into,” Obama said. “It is no longer a secret. It’s sort of the feeling I have about smokers, you know?”

Obama acknowledged that reports of U.S. surveillance programs, including allegations that the government tapped German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s mobile phone, had created a “breach of trust,” Remnick reported.

Obama said he also assumes others are trying to spy on him, and for this reason he doesn’t have a phone, according to The New Yorker.

He said, “there are European governments that we know spy on us, and there is a little bit of Claude Rains in ‘Casablanca’ — shocked that gambling is going on,” the magazine quoted him as saying, referring to the actor who played the police captain in the 1942 movie. source – Bloomberg

About the Author:

NTEB is run by end times author and editor-in-chief Geoffrey Grider. Geoffrey runs a successful web design company, and is a full-time minister of the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. In addition to running NOW THE END BEGINS, he hosts a twice-weekly bible study and prophecy radio show on BlogTalk Radio, and oversees a dynamic street preaching outreach and tract ministry team in Saint Augustine, FL.
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  1. STL says:

    Ron the Big Mouth Idiot

    • Ron Murphy says:

      #75 written by STL
      about 7 months ago

      SUEZ: Maybe we should use pen names like authors do, this summer, will be interesting

    • STL says:

      Me look like idiot saying he idiot. Me as.

      • STL says:

        Me ass. Always make fool of myself with my stupid comments. Just ignore my comments. I coo coo.

      • STL says:

        RON MURPHY: HAVING A HARD TIME SLEEPING? NOW YOU POSTING MY NAME AGAIN, GROW UP CHILD! REMEMBER I ALWAYS POST YOUR NAME FIRST THEN POST MY COMMENTS TO YOU AS YOU SEE YOU SCREWED THAT ONE UP AGAIN, SO MUCH HATRED IN YOU!

        • STL says:

          RON MURPHY: YOUR THE ONE WHO STARTED THEN NAME CHANGING GAME WITH NATHAN B. TO MARIE, SO THE ONLY ONES HERE HAS THAT MUCH HATRED FOR ME IS YOU AND SUEZ.

          SO GROW UP, STOP PLAYING CHILDISH GAMES.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            STL, I don’t use that kind of languish, I never have. But you deserve everything you get. It your fruit!

          • suez says:

            STL, I do not, nor have i ever hated you. Why would I want to put my Soul at stake for that??? Silliness!!!! I don’t think your that important are you? Or anyone for that matter…

  2. No, Barack, it isn’t your skin color. I would LOVE to have Allen West for president, or even better Dr Ben Carson.and the last time I checked they are both black!

  3. Carol A. says:

    Let’s see if I understand this: Obamination was elected president and people knew he was black. Today, people realize overwhelmingly that he is the “WORST” president in the history of the United States and (he says) the reason for that is . . . he is black. Not that he is the consummate fraud and liar, shoving a dictatorial Marxist health-control system down our throats – oh no, everyone suddenly detests him because he is black.

    – Not because the IRS and NSA can track us through our computers and even through our turned off cell phones!! Oh no, it’s because the poor narcissistic baby in the White (OMG – that’s racist!!!!!) House is black.

    – Not because he has sh*& all over Israel; sent our fighter jets and multi millions to the muslim bro’hood in the middle east; has a White (sorry) House filled with muslim bro’hood radical loyalists led by Ms. Iran herself, Valerie Jarrett . . . oh no-it’s because the cross-dressing Barry S. is black.
    Phew!! Sure glad I understand this now.

  4. I can only speak for myself but mr. Ohbama it wouldn’t matter if your skin color was green the approval ratings are low cause of the job you have demonstrated you are unqualified for the job title you hold.God Bless America.

  5. I agree that God is saddened by the immoral down word spiral and Godless nation America has become but I still will prey for the unsaved not just here but world wide.

  6. Josef says:

    If Obama was to like stay on vacation during the rest of his second term, people might start to like him….If he doesn’t and creates a mess of the country like he did on his first term…..most likely he’ll get voted in for a third term. Such irony, but only in America.

  7. randy says:

    I have to say this seems like our Country has been torn from what we stand for,shamed,and weakened in what we have always fought for and that’s to be a God fearing and Christian based Country.May we continue in the Lord’s strength pressing on for the prize,finishing well and may our Lord Jesus who is Lord of lord’s and King of kings be glorified,honored and praised.

  8. Donna says:

    How would the public have reacted if Romney said he lost the election against Obama because all the darker skinned citizens voted against him because he’s white?

    Racist if you do and racist if you don’t, it seems.

  9. Ron Murphy says:

    Lots of rejection on this one, but I’m saying it any way! The 6th trumpet is the battle of Armageddon. The fact the Lord said,” it is done”, refers to the battle, Rev 16:17 signifies the battle is over the Lord Jesus reigns, Rev 11:15.

    Eze 39:8 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this is the day whereof I have spoken.

    Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

    Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

    This 7th trumpet is when the battle is over, the battle is told in the 6th trumpet, hard to understand, and the 6th vial, easier to understand, and in Rev 19, and Ezek. chapters 38 & 39 , of which both are the easiest to understand. They are all the same, though. Blessing to all.

    Rev 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
    Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

    Rev 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
    Rev 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
    Rev 9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
    Rev 9:17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
    Rev 9:18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

    Keep in mind both sides are on horses. Those doing the killing are God’s army, that came from heaven with Him!
    The angels were used to gather the 1/3rd part of men that they might be slain.

    Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
    Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

  10. Ron Murphy says:

    Eze 38:16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.
    Eze 38:19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
    Eze 38:20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth,
    and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

    I mean, how many time can a mountain fall down, people? How many times can the cities of the nation fall?

    Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
    Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

  11. Jay says:

    Isaiah 9:10 the vow

  12. STL says:

    Ron murphy:

    Only thing we hear from you, BLA, BLA, BLA, and BLA? LOL HA_HA_HA!

    • STL says:

      I think my comment to Ron so funny. I’m clapping my hands yelling I made a funny. Ra ra ra me funny man.

      • STL says:

        RON MURPHY: CHANGING NAMES AGAIN, WHAT A CHILDISH GAMES YOU PLAY!

        RON, YOU FORGET I POST YOUR NAME FIRST BEFORE I MAKE MY COMMENT TO YOU SO I KNOW ITS YOU, CHANGING NAMES AGAIN, GROW UP!

  13. STL says:

    GUMPY: Can’t you figure it out yet? This is not a black issue for our President. Obama he is an Idiot and Rommey was educated in finance and he was pretty good at it, the ELITE BANKERS want an idiot so they could control him, it that simple!

  14. 1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
    1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
    1Jn 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
    1Jn 2:21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

    We are looking for an antichrist, but I don’t think we have to look that far.
    I can be antichrist……you can be antichrist……..we all could be antichrist.
    If we deceive ourselves, and say we are Christ’s and don’t live the way we are suppose to….we are antichrist.
    We can preach and teach the Bible,, go to church…but if we do not live for Christ……we are deceiving ourselves. We are antichrist spirit.
    If we say we love God, and live like the devil, we are antichrist……………………….He said that we would know them by their fruits………………either they are God’s and produce good fruit, or they are satan’s, and produce bad fruit.

    Joh 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
    Joh 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
    Joh 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
    Joh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
    Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
    Joh 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

  15. STL says:

    I know everything so I can rip anyone apart. I AM STL.

    • STL says:

      WHOSE CHANGING NAMES AGAIN?

      • STL says:

        Suez or Ron Murphy: if this what you guys like doing changing names, I think that would be really lowing yourselves, that everything you been saying about truth proves you a bunch of liars, so how can we believe anything you post here?

        • Ron is not using your name. Stl, I have been good to you, I remember when you said you would die for Jesus, with me, what happened?

        • suez says:

          STL, I don’t care if you believe this or not, but….I don’t have to change names to call you out. I can do that right with my own name. That isn’t my style and I don’t think it would be Ron’s either!!!! I don’t even know how to change a name, so stop with your lies and false accusations. You must have another fan, that we are not aware of!!! :-)

  16. Lets pray for our country and for strength and unwavering faith to see us through the next few years.

  17. Mary says:

    If race was the issue he wouldn’t have won the first election in a landslide. By the second election people were figuring him out. He is not hated because the color of his skin, he is hated because he is inept and running America into the ground……nice try Mr. Obama

    • suez says:

      Mary, he is just doing what he always does…excusing everything, and taking no blame on himself. It’s always someone or something else, besides him, that is to blame. So, this is no different. The saddest thing is that some idiot people still believe him!!! :-(

  18. Teresa B says:

    Are you all aware of the Executive Orders and what they mean?

    Now look at these:
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 — allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 — allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 — allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 — allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 — allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 — allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 — designates the registration of all persons. Postmaster General to operate a national registration.
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 — allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 — allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 — allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 — assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 — specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 — grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 — allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. Financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

    Feel free to verify the “executive orders” at will…..and these are just the major ones. I’m sure you’ve all heard the tale of the “Frog in the Pot”… Watch Obama’s actions, not his words! By his actions he will show you where America is headed.

    Obama has issued executive orders that seek to “harmonize” U.S. Economic regulations with the rest of the world. These executive orders are yet another incremental step that is pushing us closer to a North American Union and a one world economic system.

    Obama used the stage at the 50th anniversary of Martin Luther King’s I have a dream speech to announce two new executive orders infringing on your second amendment rights.. The first bans the importation of antique military firearms for sale to sportsman and collectors.. He intentionally mislabels them military grade weapons to deceive the sheeple, but make no mistake . . . the order was written specifically to ban the importation of surplus M1 carbines, M1 Garands, 1903 Springfields and other antiques coveted by collectors and sport shooters. This order is the death knell for the civilian marksmanship program.

  19. Gump reloaded says:

    yes this is very true, its very obvious that some people do not like him because of the skin color. But that’s alright President Barack Obama you in the office with the power they just jealous cause they don’t have it, hey white folks couple more years you can have your Oval Office back. it was fun while it lasted.
    happy birthday Martin Luther King you are truly an inspiration. thank you for your hard work and dedication even though the government annihilated you.

    because of the bushes our country will never be the same. George W Bush and his father has totally dismantle this country so President Barack Obama good luck you’re going to need it.

    that’s all I have to say about that

  20. Gump reloaded says:

    @stl….Home buyers tax credit. ..child adoption taxcredit…..cash for clunkers…..bbailout gm ford……the company I work for got an 40million grant…….etc….under the bushies 9/11 ,then I was laid off,talk about a double whammy

  21. Teresa B says:

    > Muslim Brotherhood Bias of CNN’s Amanpour on Full Display

    Muslim Brotherhood Bias of CNN’s Amanpour on Full Display

    By Shoebat Foundation on January 17, 2014 in Blog, General

    The primary topic of an interview between CNN’s Christiane Amanpour and Egyptian businessman Naguib Sawiris had to do with the arrest and continued detention of four Al-Jazeera “journalists” in Egypt last month, one of whom has apparently been released. Al-Jazeera is the propaganda arm of the Muslim Brotherhood, which is a group that is currently doing all it can to keep Egypt in a state of chaos and unrest. Egypt has designated the Brotherhood as a terrorist group. It should not be surprising, therefore, that Al-Jazeera representatives in that country are being arrested.

    Amanpour: Product of CAIR’s influence at CNN?
    Amanpour: Product of CAIR’s influence at CNN?

    Amanpour grows increasingly agitated with Sawiris, who supported the ouster of Mohammed Mursi and is in obvious agreement with the actions being taken against the group since (he also objected to Amanpour’s claim that he “bankrolled” Mursi’s ouster). Amanpour, who likes to fancy herself as an objective reporter, clearly holds the opposing view; she’s even more emotional than is Sawiris in the exchange.

    Beginning at the 2:35 mark, the exchange gets a bit testy. Amanpour refers to the jailed reporters as her “colleagues” while objecting to their detention. Soon thereafter, Sawiris asks her if the journalists are with Al-Jazeera. Amanpour’s response to that question is very telling because she didn’t answer the question. She had to have known that had she responded in the affirmative, the subsequent follow-up by Sawiris would have involved the group’s connection to the Brotherhood.

    A shocking assertion is made by Amanpour beginning at the 4:45 mark. After Sawiris explains that al-Jazeera is engaged in incitement by airing falsified stories and using propaganda, Amanpour expresses solidarity with the jailed al-Jazeera, saying that “we deny” such allegations “on behalf of our colleagues”. That is clearly advocacy journalism and expresses support for the Brotherhood’s propaganda arm.

    The last 90 seconds of the interview are perhaps the most compelling and Sawiris introduces a subject the Brotherhood is very sensitive about. It begins with Amanpour obviously objecting to the terrorist designation that was given to the Brotherhood. During his response, Sawiris refers to the allegedly recorded phone calls between Mohammed Mursi and al-Qaeda number one, Ayman al-Zawahiri. It takes a while for Amanpour to respond to the claim but when she does, she indignantly accuses Sawiris of having no proof.

    Did she receive those instructions through her earpiece?

    The larger issue here is that there are plenty of Arabic reports that back up what Sawiris was saying. We covered some of them here. Instead of telling Sawiris he has no evidence, perhaps Amanpour should have asked him if he had any. If there is any, it should be Amanpour’s job as a “journalist” to investigate the claims. Then again, if she’s compromised by CAIR’s influence, that’s not part of her agenda.

    Adding further credibility to Sawiris’s claim is that Mursi’s former Chief of Staff Rifaa El-Tahtawi and Ayman al-Zawahiri are first cousins.

    In Amanpour’s business, those are called leads. In her world, however, they’re apparently unfortunate inconveniences that pose harm to CNN’s propaganda.

    We have long suspected that Muslim Brotherhood front groups in the U.S. – particularly the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) – has undue influence at CNN. Back when Walid was smeared by Drew Griffin and Anderson Cooper, we received very credible information from a very reputable source that CAIR operatives were involved in that smear job.

    See Addendum M and Addendum N to our “Ironclad” Report for more on the alleged recordings and the familial relationship between Mursi’s chief of staff and al-Zawahiri.

  22. STL says:

    GUMP: YOUR THE RACIST, BECAUSE THAT’S ALL YOU SEE, HOW THEN CAN YOU SEE THE TRUTH FROM JESUS CHRIST TO RECIEVE SALVATION, THIS WEB SITE WAS DESIGN TO SHOW YOU THE TRUTH OF COMING EVENTS FOR THE WORLD TO GO THROUGH, NOT JUST YOUR FEELING OF HATRED OF WHITE CULTURE. I’M REALLY SORRY YOU CAN’T LOOK PASS YOUR OWN HATRED OF OTHERS. EVER SINCE ABRAHAM JEWS BEEN HATED BY ALMOST EVERYONE IN THIS WORLD, AS I’M A JEW, BUT I CAN SEE PASS THIS HATRED AND SEE THAT JESUS IS PROVIDING A WAY OUT OF THIS HATRED. YOUR HATRED IS SO BLINDED YOU ONLY SEE THE ISSOE ONLY OF SKIN COLOR.

  23. Teresa B says:

    I am aware of how the churches are changing on Scripture meaning, but had NO idea this was going on nor was so large. One thing about New Age is they say some of the right words and then?????????????

    http://beginningandend.com/the-circle-maker-heresy-witchcraft-in-the-church/

    • Hope says:

      Thanks for this link. This touches the heart of end times theology. The bible tells two stories. One is of the faithless Jews who repeatedly squandered the blessings of God and yet were continually loved by him. The other is of Christians who had the blessing of Jesus Christ yet squandered the grace he brings. They, too, continued to be loved by God. At the end of days, God will come to a world full of faithless, self-centered creatures and set things right. He will live and rule directly in our midst yet some will still remain faithless. After 1000 years of that rule, he will finally clean up the entire mess. This Circle thing is just another in a long line of apostasies but I am quite certain that the number of apostate Christians is greater in percentage than it has ever been before. Most of the Mega Churches have gotten their foothold by teaching apostate messages. Lots of the small churches are formed and fed by targeted apostasy. Very, very few churches now teach the word purely for the sake of teaching “Christ and him crucified”. False doctrine and displaced motives run rampant. It is absolutely imperative that any Christian who wants to be ready when Jesus returns picks up his or her bible and reads it from cover to cover just as we read any other book. That is the only way to get right perspective without the opinions of man. It is the only way to understand the whole plan of God. It is the only weapon to withstand the apostasy that is all around us. Without having done that, I wouldn’t dare make any comment about what God thinks or how he acts or even about what is going on in our world. The risk of leading people astray with my opinions would be too great. I don’t want to face Jesus and have him say to me “You lied about me to my children”. That would be too heartbreaking for words.

      • Teresa B says:

        Hope God Bless you, everything you said is so so true. Have a good rest of the week,

      • suez says:

        @Hope. Amen Hope. What you said is so very true. I don’t think I would want the responsibility of being a pastor. The apostasy will just grow greater and greater in numbers, until like the Bible says, they will kill us who hold fast to the Word of God, thinking they are doing God a favor!!! So very, very, sad. :-(

    • suez says:

      Teresa B. If you had no idea this was going on, you need to get out more often…:-) This has been going on for a long time. You need to start listening to the right people!!! Just saying!!! :-) Sadly so very many so called “christians” are falling for this crap in the churches. I didn’t this read this occultic book, but i read the back cover and read some articles about what it was about. I gave it a bad review on Amazon, and I had several “sweet” christians come at me like I was the devil! They just don’t get it. They are getting drawn down a dark path lined with flowers, thinking it looks good, but underneath it is the devil and his hoards.!!! Very sad the shape the church is in now-days, and how naive, so very many christians are!!! That is because they don’t read the word of God, but follow mans teachings!!! :-(

  24. STL says:

    TERESA: DID NOT JEFFERSON HAVE A BLACK WIFE?

  25. Teresa B says:

    Using the guise of “discernment,” some individuals have been using their platform in the apologetics community as a means to promulgate a brand of sad, critical Christianity. While predicated upon little more than an attempt to elevate their own narrow views concerning peripheral doctrines, these so-called “super discerners” operate with a grating, holier-than-thou brashness. Painting those who dare disagree on virtually any point as ignorant or foolish, these few “brothers” spare little in an effort to bully others into conformity. This “scorched earth” methodology is an evil, divisive plan that only Satan could concoct. And who has fallen into it? Apologists that should know better! And why? Perhaps pride and greed have blinded some to break fellowship
    Is hyper-critical name-calling REALLY contending for the Faith? – Eric Barger, Clip 4

    In this clip Eric Barger expresses his concern for what is being called “discernment” in today’s Church.

    over non-essential issues that should otherwise be off limits. Besides the actual issues themselves, the environment created is frankly a twisted form of religious bigotry that has created enemies amongst third parties who have been and should still be allies – and all of this inside the Body of Christ! The “us and them” atmosphere that has resulted from pretentious created controversies pertaining to peripheral doctrines and practices is poisonous – and unbiblical. Considering this, is it any wonder that some in the Church now reject anyone or anything pertaining to apologetics?

    As tragic as that fact may be, the biggest victim is likely the very ministry of apologetics itself. What if the next generation of apologists mistakenly takes its cue from those who are currently more interested in promoting their own personal brand of sterilized Christianity then they are in truly defending biblical faith?

    Truth must be the motivator of discernment. But biblical apologetics isn’t about proving how correct one is and how heretical another may be – especially on secondary issues. Though discernment is often about exposing darkness and warning the Church concerning aberrant theology and practice, we should always evaluate what spirit discernment is being carried out in. Do we dare treat others in the Body with public disdain, even refusing to communicate with them concerning points that could never classify as “central” or “essential” doctrine? Discernment at any level must be conducted in an authentic spirit of correction with grace as the barometer for our words and actions. Otherwise we become little more than a “sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal” (I Cor. 13:1).

    I’m calling on truly discernment-minded Christians to beware of those using the shell of apologetics but who come in the wrong spirit and push their own peripheral agendas. True Christians can have a difference of opinion on many issues without trying to decimate or play “gotcha” with those we disagree with. We need each other in the Body of Christ and those set on tearing down or even destroying another Believer over purely secondary ideas and beliefs are only helping Satan accomplish his vile mission.

    One final word. Those who fit the description I’ve warned of in this piece and in the accompanying video clip have one thing in common: a haughty spirit. Let’s not forget what the Bible says about that.

    “Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.” (Proverbs 16:18)

    • Ron Murphy says:

      I think discernment would be, to know whether to cloud you head or not. Between good and evil. It’s something we need to pray for! But how can a person pray when they don’t hear Jesus. You hear the others, if your head is clouded. Didn’t God teach us not to defile our bodies? What about our minds? Even more so, I would believe. You shall know them, by their what ?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Teresa, I know were you fiery darts are aimed at, but that is not for you are Eric to judge, it would of been ever easy for the same to of been spoken to David when he stood against the giant, or against Stephen when they stoned him to death, or against all of God’s chosen!
      They all seemed to have a haughty attitude. God knows those that are His and Who is justified by the truth or not. It’s not you or Eric that can make that decision. Rant on, Sister! Make the wrong judgment and you will be judged accordingly.

      • Teresa B says:

        Ron what on earth is wrong here? I throw no darts, perhaps you could point out the errors in the article? It is meant for anyone anywhere who calls themselves a follower of Christ, me included. If it points to someone then that would be conviction. You call what I say ranting? Why, again, please point out the errors of my statements? I do not judge anyone but do believe we need to call out others in Christ who are acting ungodly. Everyone can see what goes on here and can come to their own conclusions. Your words are filled w what comes across as anger and there is no reason for that is there? If your above number 53 was to me on my head clouded, or defiling my mind or body, I am sorry but don’t see how that is part of the above articles or comments so cant respond I am sorry.

        • Ron Murphy says:

          It is yours and Eric’s Judgments that are stated here, not God’s that’s the fault of it. God will judge who’s right or wrong. So, what I see in you and Eric are making yourselves righteous and judging who is right or wrong, that’s all. No conviction here, Teresa. Just warning you of unrighteous judgment. All can not be right, but God knows who is, whether it be you or me, God knows, and I would say the one that’s right, should also know what is the truth or not. Discerning is a gift to no good from evil. It is evil to judge Unrighteously, Who made you are Eric judge, I disagree with his statement. A difference of opinion is okay, but I see the Apostles and the early church contending for the truth, they did not back down. Not until they were run off or stoned to death. Words don’t mean a thing, if it isn’t God’s words. That’s why I have a problem with you tube, to much of man’s words not enough of God’s.

          • Teresa B says:

            Ron, who is Eric?? Did I ever say you should leave? I personally don’t care who is Pre or Post. But I do care when people call ea other names or are accusatory. Nothing else. I don’t understand why people can be so in disagreement and say some things, I just never been around anyone like that in my life. I am sq w you if you are, . Whos Eric? I am so lost ;)

          • Tracy says:

            @Teresa B.
            You didn’t do anything wrong. Don’t worry!!

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Don’t you read your own post, Teresa? Eric Barger

          • Teresa B says:

            Ron, like most people post a name in an article, how many times do yo do that on here? Not often so I thought you were speaking of someone on here named Eric, and I did not know who that was. A little sarcastic don’t you think?

          • Ron Murphy says:

            I never post an article other an my own, Teresa! But if I did, I would read them first. Perhaps if you didn’t post so many, you would have time. Why would you expect others to read them if you don’t yourself?

          • Teresa B says:

            Ron I do read them or I wouldn’t put them there. You are totally misunderstanding my stupidness for not realizing you were speaking of the author. I told you what I why I asked you that should have been enough shouldn’t it? I HAVE TOLD EVERYONE THAT I MAY OR MAY NOT AGREE W SOMETHING BUT IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING FOR SOMEONE ELSE . I MAKE IT A POINT OF NOT EXPECTING ANYTHING FROM ANYONE AS I WILL ALWAYS BE DISAPPOINTED, KEEPS IT SIMPLE. Blessings to you

      • Tracy says:

        @Ron,
        You’ve heard the old saying, “the guilty dog barks first.” This article obviously hit a nerve, because you just wrongfully attacked Teresa B. and judged her.
        What is wrong with you?????

        • Ron Murphy says:

          What is wrong with you, instigator? I Just disagree with Eric. These things was said about Jesus also that Eric spoke of. I just wonder what you people would of said about Jesus if you would of lived then? I not listening to anyone that trying to force it on me! This man is arrogant and prideful! Who does he think he is trying to outdo all these Pharisees? Yes, no doubt that is what you would of said!

          • Tracy says:

            @Ron,
            This article just hit you in the face. Sounds just like you.
            No, Jesus didn’t force His Words upon anyone. He had love in His heart for people. It would have been wonderful to hear Him speak and see Him among the crowd.
            You come across with a condemning spirit, there is a difference.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            What condemns you, Tracy?

          • Tracy says:

            @Ron,
            How do you know Eric Barger? Maybe you know something that we don’t. However, his article was well written, because there are people who fit the description.

          • Tracy says:

            @Ron,
            It’s your approach when someone disagrees with you. I believe with all my heart that neither you nor I, nor anyone else knows exactly what is going to happen or exactly when the rapture is going to take place. If it was meant to be so clearly written for everyone, then God would have inspired His authors to write it step by step. There are some wonderful preachers who are true born again believers that disagree on end time events. Simply because it hasn’t happened yet. We can only guess because it’s future.
            Honestly Ron, that’s the only problem that I have with you, because there is always what if ……….

          • Ron Murphy says:

            I know Eric by his fruits. You claim to have discernment, but you can’t see it?
            Tracy, because you think that, is just why you don’t see anything, you think no body can. I wonder why God wrote His word. So He could judge us? And if it not to be understood by anyone then, how could that be justice? God is just. He gives understanding, to those that believe, only!

            Jas 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
            Jas 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
            Jas 1:7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
            Jas 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

          • Teresa B says:

            Ron with all due respect here. You know Eric Barger because of his fruits? What does that mean? Kindly point out where in the article it was wrong? We can start from there maybe.

          • Tracy says:

            @Ron,
            I had never seen or heard of Eric Barger until I read the article that Teresa B. posted. Therefore, how could I know him by his fruits? But, that doesn’t take away the fact that he wrote a truthful article that nailed you. It hurt, didn’t it Ron? Face it!! One thing about you, you never apologize nor admit that you just might be wrong. Too many see the very same trait in you.
            I will stand by what I said above, you nor me, nor anyone else knows the future. And, yes, God is a just God.
            I do feel sorry for you though, I can’t help it.

          • MRH says:

            Tracy: The article by Eric I thought excellent and straight to the point. So much that it struck a rib in Ron. And I knew it would, as he loves blasting others, but can’t take it when his evils are exposed ;-)

            Rom 16:17 KJV – Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

            P.S. The doctrine of God is a doctrine of LOVE :-)

          • Tracy says:

            @MRH,
            That’s why I feel for Ron, he knows, but as of right now, his pride won’t allow him to say it. He is trying to divert attention from himself by trying to make us look like the stupid ones.
            It’s not at all difficult to see.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            I think you are giving me all the attention I need, Tracy. Thank you!

          • MRH says:

            Tracy: Isn’t that what the Jewish leaders were trying to do with Jesus.. find fault with him? Were they not full of pride? And how did Jesus deal with them?

            Mat 23:27 KJV – Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.

            Jhn 8:43-44 KJV – Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

            P.S. I’m sorry, but Ron isn’t a true Christian in my book :-(

      • Teresa ids dead on target, those darts are aimed directly at you ron,, the doctrine you are trying to force on everyone here , has nothing to do with salvation, nowhere in the Bible is there any scripture that states that I have to believe in pre mid or post trib
        only the blood of Jesus Christ can wash away sin.
        Personally , I think you are wrong,
        There are clearly are clearly 2 events in scripture tha concern the return of Christ, the first is , as a thief in the night.[ the rapture of the bride of Christ].
        The 2nd is Christ returns with all the power and glory of GOD, when he casts satan into the bottomless pit and destroys the armies of the antichrist,

        You are wrong. what you teach is a doctrinal misinterpretation of the word of GOD,

        JESUS CHRIST will come before the great trib begins

        You never answered my question about handeling serpents Ron, do you?

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Dane, Maybe you all are forcing your doctrine on me?

          Dane I don’t care to handle a snake they are creatures as any other. But I don’t handle them in a way you are referring to. The Bible said not to tempt the Lord your God! I believe in the tribulation, that will come into play as faith grows in saints, that Know God’s word. The Key is faith, Brother. Just as Paul did not flinch when he was bitten, neither did he panic, he shook it off into the fire.
          I hope that answered that well enough this time?

        • Ron Murphy says:

          No where did I say you had to believe in postrib to be saved! I see your spirit. You attack because of it, Dane! You label me as cult. So you attack against things that are not there. Make up things that are not so. Run from things that are not there.

          Pro 28:1 The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.

          • I did not attack you, I asked you questions related to your faith, if you think that is being attacked , PLEASE
            I said nothing about your faith being a cult

            pro 28;1 I DO NOT FLEE, [ YOU ARE THE ONE WHO HAS FLEED BEHIND YOUR WORDS] , AND IN YOU I SEE NO LION

          • Ron Murphy says:

            You are backing the attacker, though, Brother. If you receive a prophets words then you also receive the prophets rewards, whether he be good or evil. Eric calls us cult because he doesn’t understand. The man is prideful and haughty and everything he preaches against. He drives nails into the palms. You agreed with it and stood with him, you get the same reward, Dane.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Here you are preaching to me and you didn’t even read Teresa’s blog. She said the same thing. Who’s Eric? Go read it. The post I commented on. #61 at present.

    • MRH says:

      Honestly it irks me how common Christians often cast harsh sin judgment on Christians whom don’t follow their exact learned protocols (or beliefs), while completely denying their own self righteousness. By the bible is that kind of negative attitude considered holy? Does not the bible tell us not to be judgmental with other Christians without reasonable cause? From my understanding we are commanded to love not blast others? Anyway, as a longtime Christian (believer) by faith alone, I’ve been relentlessly attacked and condemned by fellow devout Christians for failing to conform to their varied protocols by their particular churches decrees. Common religious observances such as; trinity, baptism, fasting, prayer, etc. And as an acclaimed Christian I certainly can’t claim absolute purity, as what Christian honestly can? According to the bible we Christians are all sin guilty, whether we admit it or not. Do you not agree?

      Question: Will Christ find faith or division on earth when he returns? Considering the hoards of denominations I suspect it will be division :-(

  26. STL says:

    TERESA: READ MATTHEW 24:12 LOVE WILL GROW COLD. SO WHATEVER YOU SAY, ITS ONLY GOING TO CAUSE A BIGGER DIVISION WITHIN THE CHRISTIANS BELIEFS.

  27. Teresa says:

    @Teresa B,, I just read the circle maker blog. Thank you for posting. New age. There is no secret to serving to God. New age are creating ways ways to get to the throne. There is no new ritual or secret just discovered.

  28. Gump reloaded says:

    @Teresa …yes ma’am very true

    Stl…isn’t this article revolving around the so-called race card….im just responding…

    This country took 47 PRESIDENTs to get where its at today.

    Speaking of presidents, for the first time in history I have a reason to celebrate presidents day.
    That’s all i have to say about that! !!!@$$&**

  29. Ron Murphy says:

    To all those that don’t understand what’s going on here. STL got the ideal to use other names on this blog. He used mine as R.MURPHY and then as Ron Murphy, a few times, also posting in other names as well. I posted in Suez’ name once, for demonstration. It’s not me posting in his name here, I’m not sure who it is, but have a pretty good ideal. Blessings to you, for doing so. But I ask you, please stop. He seems to have learned his lesson well. Please, let it go, now! There can be no benefit from it. Thank you.

    • STL says:

      Rom murphy: Why you continue this bla bla bla, now your the victim! Just drop it!

    • suez says:

      @Ron, You posted in my name???? I must of missed that! That wasn’t nice!!! I had no idea, because sometimes I don’t see all of these. It’s just to depressing, just as this last few has been!!! :-(

      • No, Sue, he was just saying that he did that, to show you, as an example, remember, when someone was posting in his name, that time…..to show you that it was easy to change names, that’s all.

  30. paul kidd says:

    @ MRH, YOUR JUST ANOTHER KLECK “groupie” with ZERO DISCERNMENT my friend. I am praying for your soul.

    • MRH says:

      Paul: I’m not a Kleck groupie, nor do I agree with all his stuff, only parts here and there. Likewise with your stuff.

      As for Kleck being a false prophet, I definitely could say the same about you as well. Could I not? After all your video on Obama the Antichrist isn’t much different than Klecks. Likewise your theories on DNA, and RFID.

      Not that I disagree, as I knew Obama was the one the very day he was elected (I fought him in vain.. voted for McCain). And I had no otherwiseknowledge of him, just intuition I guess. Likewise I knew 911 was of biblical proportion on the very day it happened.

      However I definitely mostly don’t agree with the likes of the post trib lot here, nor even some of the pre-trib lot. And they mostly don’t agree with me. But so be it, this is a public zone to express whatever views, and hopefully in peace. It’s not a place to slander and condemn others for their beliefs, no matter how outlandish they be!

      Comprende?

    • suez says:

      @ Kidd,,,,Kidd, who is Johnathan Kleck??? I don’t think I ever heard of him!!!

  31. STL says:

    Gump: The Pharisees Jews killed Jesus Christ, but since I’m a Jew, is that my fault?

    I’m really sorry there was alot of KKK clans that murdered Blacks, over a long period of time, but that was before your time and we have problem more now days with Muslims, they do not care your black or white, there hatred against Americans, first chance they get there going to kill you.

  32. Zion says:

    So why do they think mr king gave them freedom to rape, pillage, steal, and kill our families, wives children and land? Who’s racist? We do not enslave them today yet they retaliate against the past towards other races today with their unrepented sinful ways, out of hatred towards our race and God. Cant we all just see and treat each other as Jesus Christ?

  33. BitterClinger says:

    Has the country learned its lesson? Will voters look deeper into a candidate’s past before voting for them? Or will the majority vote for a woman simply because it’s the “cool” thing to do….

  34. STL says:

    Ron murphy: I’m not great follower of politics, but mostly people from 18-40 voted for Obama in the 1st Presidencial Election, and at least 80% of the black that voted for him, did not investigate this person experience as a politican, he was a junior senator, with alot of garbage behind him. So in most eLections only about 30% of the blacks vote for a President and these are 30 to 60 years of age.

    So again, why did the blacks voted for Obama, simply by appearance, HE WAS BLACK!

    The blacks forgot to see what this black person could do for their race of people. Then all of Obama political advisers were white, not one was black, does that tell anyone anything?

    These white advisor used the race card, getting the Black Minister to make a big deal over the black race to get all the blacks exciting, to vote for a black President, an it surely worked all the blacks in every major cities voted for their black president.

    If Obama could not be controled, would you think the ELITE BANKERS would of allowed this black/ white person to become President?

    Its ashame this person blacks call as the president, is not black, never endured being black, he was raised by white Grandparent, went to the best schools, and college how many blacks successfully finish high school, not many. White money got him into the presidency, not from the blacks.

    America wake up to the truth!

    • MRH says:

      If Obama could not be controled, would you think the ELITE BANKERS would of allowed this black/ white person to become President?

      STL: Are you that naïve brother? Don’t you know that the ELITE control everything; government, economy, religion. They decide who occupies thrones and the laws of the land. The voting game is mostly a farce, to liven things up a bit. The whole party race is a crock of bull too. I know, as I’ve done my research!

      Anyway, the ELITE BANKERS are the ELITE also the ILLUMINATI.. all the same evil people (they worship Satan as Lucifer). They are the; Rockefellers, Rothschild’s, etc. They chose Obama to destroy America, and 911 was the catalyst for our fall. Created by the ELITE to cause the collapse of the US economy, and bring America down to it’s knees (begging). Then they craftily installed as our savior king, whom is nothing but an imposter! An ELITE puppet as were the Bush’s, Clintons, etc.

      Would it shock you to know that Obama was once Osama? Yes, the original one that is (the later Osama’s were different actors), they have near identical facial features, same; eyes, ears, nose, hands, and teeth. The differences are slight, which suggests possible facial surgery, plus intense grooming. Remember that Osama disappeared for several years, and then in pops Obama the senator?

      Laugh if you want, but I’ve seen videos of each, and under Osama’s beard is definitely Obama hiding.. the snake! But then Osama was a CIA installment back in the 80′s, under Bush Sr’s reign. So there you have it, we have a disguised former terrorist king on the US and UN thrones! Then in 2012 (?), Obama had Osama craftily deleted from the scene forever by the CIA. Supposedly murdered and dumped in the ocean. Just one more government lie! Like with the revealing of Obama birth certificate (complete forgery), which ironically immediately preceded the Osama finale.

      • STL says:

        MRH: I’m just a dum old man that served his country, accepted Jesus Christ as his savior, as for the rest of the world, have really no idea what the Elite bankers are doing, except don’t screw with my bank account.LOL

        • MRH says:

          STL: If you’re just a dumb old man, then why do you not accept that Obama is the Antichrist? The evidence is above, he is their chosen dictator. Mark my words!

          P.S. The Tribulation is on the horizon :-(

          • STL says:

            MRH: If the Tribulation is on the horizon, I have not seen it yet, I have been watching the horizon go down every night, but their is no Tribulation in the Horizon? LOL

          • MRH says:

            STL: Like a tidal wave, you won’t see Tribulation until it hits you ;-)

            P.S. You’re watching the wrong horizon :-(

    • suez says:

      STL, I read it was Muslim and Nazi money that got him through school!!! Yes, he is just a stupid puppet on a big string!!! I always thought he looked like Howdy Doody!!! :-)

  35. STL says:

    Teresa: you need to wake up and smell the flower, it nast weeds in the fields. Another words you said, you never endured these type of people before in your life.

    These are the last days, everything is falling apart, Satan is pushing his hatred to everyone, even christians, so this is the (new) normal.

    • Teresa B says:

      STL stop please, we are not there yet, and we all know a little bit about ea other, actually more than I know the neighbors. Just because those things will happen does not give you or anyone the right to insult.

  36. STL says:

    Brenda: if its not you or Ron, then whose playing these name games? And it was done about 3 a.m.

  37. Gump reloaded says:

    @stl…very true, won’t argue that point

  38. Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
    Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
    Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
    Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
    Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
    Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
    Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
    Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
    Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
    Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
    Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
    Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
    Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
    Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
    Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
    Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

  39. STL says:

    Teresa: You know what your basic problem is, its your way or the highway. If people post ideas to you, then we are insulting you. If you want to be left alone then, post your daily articles, and leave out your opinions

    • Teresa B says:

      STL yes is Christs way or the highway not mine. I just repeat His words which are many. This comes to mind, would you not agree?

      James 3:10

      King James Version (KJV)

      10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.

  40. STL says:

    Tracy: Jesus sure was right about in the last days love would grow cold, as we all have attacked each other, I’m sure know I did my job doing it, so no more attacking on my part?

  41. STL says:

    MRH: This might sound stupid, but I really do not care who the AC will be, I won’t be here to meet him, but that’s just my opinion only!

  42. engineer says:

    MRH, with all do respect, no one knows who the true antichrist is until he is revealed to those who have eyes to see. I think as christians, we should have restraint and not come to a final conclusion of who YOU OR PAUL KIDD think is the antichrist. I do agree that the VATICAN will have a lot to do with who the antichrist will be.

    • MRH says:

      The covenant (agreement, treaty) is the first key. The second key is the abomination of desolation. Biblical facts!

      Hint: Although a public act, does that mean things will be noticed by all immediately? Were you even aware of below event? Which ironically occurred on the 9th of Nisan, also the London Olympics opening ceremony day!

      President Obama Signs US-Israel Enhanced Security Cooperation Act

      Could this be the long awaited biblical peace treaty with Israel, to be followed by the desired Jewish third temple build and sacrificing operation? Time will tell as it always does ;-) One thing I want to point out is the 7 year treaty factor. No ruler would establish a treaty of a limited time duration. Naturally a treaty is intended to be eternal by the signer, else what value would it serve. Anyway, the 7 years is the biblical period only, which begins the prophetic countdown to the end. Therefore, expect to see the rebuilding of the Jewish holy temple, and resuming of animal sacrifice ritual to occur afterward, as a result of the new and powerful treaty declaration ;-) Also be aware that Obama is not yet the revealed Antichrist, as the latter will be a man fully possessed of by Satan. One could say that Obama at present is merely devil possessed (like many today are). Like Hitler was before the holocaust. And like Judas was before his betrayal, wherein Satan entered him to do the dirty deed, then sent him to die by way of suicide. All used by the devil and his angels, to bring darkness unto the world.

      • engineer says:

        MRH,
        Jesus called Judas a ”son of perdition“, and by Judas’s example a ”son of perdition” is someone who hangs out with Christ (or Christians) who pretends to be one of them, yet betrays them all with a kiss. Paul called the anti-Christ power the EXACT SAME THING, therefore we must look for the devil to work to deceive Christians FROM WITHIN CHRISTIANITY in some way.

        Daniel saw four consecutive, that is four kingdoms one right after each other down through history, these kingdoms were of course BABYLON, MEDIA PERSIA, GREECE, ROME and the divisions of Rome after it fell apart, the Ten Toes of iron and clay. The beast, the little horn power, which is the Son of Perdition power, rose up from among the Ten Divisions of the fallen Westren Roman Empire, three of these petty kingdoms had to be ”plucked up by their root“, or utterly destroyed BEFORE THIS POWER CAME INTO ITS FULLNESS. The Vandals, Heruli, and Ostrogoths all were at one time kingdoms after Rome divided, none existed after 534 AD. As stated previously, the little horn, Don of Perdition must be a FAUX CHRISTIAN POWER, and in 534 AD. The Roman Catholic Church became a State political power when it became the ruler over its Papel States.

        This Son of Perdition would ”think to change times and law“, the Roman Ten Commandments are NOT THE TEN COMMANDMENTS recieved by Moses upon Saini. Look it up. Additionally, until the Gregorian Calendar times were kept evening to evening, just as they had always been since the beginning. They would wear out the saints for a time, times and half a time, or 1260 years literal time. From 534 AD until the ” wound on its head ” in 1798 the Roman church’s inquisitions KILLED MILLIONS who dared to love God without bowing their knee to the church. They will do so again before the close of probation. The ”wound that seemed unto death” occurred in 1798 and was SELF INFLICTED. The Jesuit order, vaned by papal bill had Napolean send his General Berthier to Rome and he arrested the pope and removed the Papel States from them by force, all of Europe breathed a massive sigh of relief, the beast was dead at last. But, in 1929, Mussolini restored the Papel States and healed the head wound.

        OUR PART:
        As Saints of light we are to be praying for the latter rain, the outpouring of Gods Spirit. The Spirit does one think, it points to Christ Jesus, therefore we are to spread the gospel of Gods love and redemptive mercy, available to all men in the name of Jesus alone.

        • MRH says:

          Just prophetic fables created by historical madness :-(

          However the CC will again rise, but not until the END ;-)

          Tip: Pope Francis I is the last pope (FP), and a Jesuit :-)

          Hint: The AC isn’t a religious, but rather a secular king :-)

        • Jas 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.

  43. STL says:

    MRH: Actually I’m dead sleep! LOL

  44. STL says:

    Teresa: You have that special way about you, being a american woman that just makes me sick! LOL

  45. STL says:

    Teresa: when you and your x-military husband was living on base, did you make others also sick? LOL

  46. MRH says:

    For all the salvation critics or whomever ;-)

    P.S. The bible knows best on salvation topic :-)

  47. STL says:

    MRH: NOT TRYING TO BE RUDE, BUT YOU SURE HAVE AN OBCESSION TO MEET THE AC? PERSONALLY I WOULD BE ON THE HIGH SEAS IN MY SAILBOAT LOOKING FOR A NICE COZY ISLAND TO HIDE FROM THE AC.

    MAYBE YOU’LL GET LUCKEY BE INVITED TO ONE OF HIS SPECIAL FUNCTION OF THE BEHEADING PARTIES? LOL

    • MRH says:

      STL: The AC is already here, you just can’t see him yet ;-)

      Prophecy is often not realized until after it happens, sometimes many years pass between, as in the case of Israel’s re-birth in 1948. Do you think they knew back then? In fact it wasn’t till after 911 that people began to wake up. I know, as I too was asleep until then, but 911 woke me up fast, and then came Obama :-(

      On the day 911 happened I instinctively knew it was a biblical event, but I had no clue of what. And likewise with Obama, whom I fought in vain against. Later the Lord revealed unto me many mysteries, of which few seem able to grasp even now :-(

  48. STL says:

    MRH: MY BOAT IS ALREADY PREPPED , ENOUGH FOOD FOR 1 YEAR AND I HAVE A CONVERTER FROM SEA WATER TO FRESH WATER, THE TECH. IS SO ADVANCE THAT ONE PERSON CAN SAIL HER.

    ALL I NEED A 1ST MATE, MY WIFE IS SCARE OF WATER, SO SHE STAYING BEHIND. LOL

    • MRH says:

      STL: The tribulation doesn’t begin until the temple rises, and the abomination of desolation is installed in it ;-)

      P.S. We may now be witnessing the prelude to tribulation :-(

      And none know when the temple will rise, but so far there is no evidence of such likely to soon happen?

  49. STL says:

    MRH: BUT BATS HEAR VERY GOOD. LOL

  50. STL says:

    MRH. Aren’t you in a good mood tonight?

    Again why your so interested in the AC, in a hurry to go somewhere? LOL

  51. STL says:

    MRH: we are on God’s timing, so all we can do is wait and watch.

    I’m more interested meeting Jesus Christ than the AC. LOL

  52. STL says:

    MRH: Whose Mrgreen? Remember I come from the old generation! LOL

  53. So which card is he playing, since he is both black and white?
    You can’t say that a white person is against him, because of his color, for he is both , although he claims to be black. You cannot say that we are racist.
    We simply do not like that he has brought this country down. Simple as that.
    When someone says that we are no longer a Christian nation, that is high treason, in my book.
    He upholds his father’s values, and not America’s. He is an embarrassment, to say the least.

    • MRH says:

      Brenda: Are you waking up now? Obama is an enigma isn’t he? Anyway, do you think you are saved? If you do, then watch my above radio video post (#116 or thereoff).

      And if you desire biblical end time knowledge, then watch my other radio video offering below (or close) ;-)

      P.S. I don’t hate you or Ron or STL or anyone, but I truly believe that your ignorance has blinded and deafened you. And I sincerely pray that God opens your eyes unto the clear prophetic developments of our very darking times. And the darkest hour is yet to come, but of which I can’t explain to you, as your ears and eyes have closed to me :-(

      • I am awake, Mark. None of us has all the answers, but God does show those who want to know.
        Be aware that Obama is just a pawn in the devil’s game. The king (beast) has yet to be revealed. We will know him, when he arrives. Don’t worry, God’s children will know when the time comes. We are prepared. The book of Daniel is being opened, and yes, for those with eyes to see, and ears to hear.
        I don’t hate anyone here. It is not in me, to hate. I was born of God, and God is love. I just hate to see God’s children being deceived.
        By the way, I don’t need videos, as you well know……I have the Word of God. That is all I need. I love all God’s children.

        • MRH says:

          Brenda: I’ve since changed rapture/tribulation stances due to new knowledge, but not according to tradition ;-)

          One thing is certain, a beast now occupies the throne. And according to new info, the church does endure tribulation (Rev 13a). Also the tribulation is due to the saints exposing the Antichrist, not as a test of our faith (Dan 11).

          Furthermore, the mark of the beast is not given during tribulation, but rather afterward during wrath. The latter event is when the false prophet reigns (Rev 13b). And scripture is quite clear on all points noted, if properly interpreted ;-)

          1) The temple must rise for the Antichrist to be revealed.
          2) The rapture occurs at the 7th trumpet, also in Rev 11.
          3) The wrath is the real tribulation time for left behinds.

          • Well…what about this, Mark?

            Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
            Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
            Dan 7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
            Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

            After the antichrist causes all people to take the mark of the beast, except for the saints, which he scatters the power of, then…when that is finished…….the kingdom will be given to Jesus and the martyrs to rule for the millennium. It can’t happen any other way. The martyred Christians have to go thru the trib, then only can Christ come and resurrect us.

          • MRH says:

            Brenda: I honestly can’t answer this above except to say that Revelation 13 states two beasts (kings?), and they are time divided (beast from sea, beast from earth). They don’t happen together.

            The Antichrist (1st beast) first overcomes the saints (tribulation), then the rapture occurs. Followed afterwards by wrath period (greater tribulation). The latter period (False Prophet 2nd beast) is when the mark is implemented, not during the time of the saints.

            Question: Did not false prophets (popes) reign as evil kings during the crusades and reformation periods? Likewise in the end the False Prophet rises back into power to enslave the whole world (mark of the beast system).

            Also the mark of the beast is only mentioned in the latter portion of Revelation, post rapture. Therefore it can’t be applied before Rev 13b, without twisting scripture. Nor does Jesus or Paul mention the mark and beast.

            Anyway, I’m communicating with a seeming wise post trib minister on things now ;-)

          • I know there are two beasts….but it still does not change the facts that the last half of the tribulation will be to persecute the Christians. Just look at what is going on in other countries now. It is near, soon to be all over the world. When the abomination of desolation is set up, the beasts (doesn’t matter) as they are both of satan, and one is the false prophet), will come into power.

            Dan 11:27 And both these kings’ hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.
            Dan 11:28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land.
            Dan 11:29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter.
            Dan 11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.
            Dan 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
            Dan 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
            Dan 11:33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
            Dan 11:34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
            Dan 11:35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.
            Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

          • MRH says:

            Brenda: You fail to understand, that there are three living Christian groups involved; past, present, future. We believers of now form the past group, as we have already been saved by grace (by faith). The present group are yet not saved, but are saved during tribulation period (still by grace). The future group are saved martyrs of the wrath period (not by grace).

            DO YOU STILL NOT UNDERSTAND GODS PLANS OF THE REDEMPTION FOR THE SAINTS?

          • I don’t get that, Mark.
            You complicate it tremendously. The grace period will last until the rapture/ resurrection. Only when Christ uses the power of God to resurrect us, then we will not need the Holy Spirit to guide us, for we will be like Him.
            If you are alive, you will have to go thru the tribulation, and remember, be strong, and do not take the mark of the beast. :)

          • MRH says:

            Complicate what Brenda? The bible is very clear in matters, that the present church will not be forced to take the mark. Those left behind rapture will ;-)

            Rev 13:1-10 KJV – And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

            ANTICHRIST REIGNS! :mrgreen:

            And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

            TRIBULATION BEGINS! :-(

            And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear. He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

            TRIBULATION OVER! :-)

            RAPTURE OCCURS! (implied only*)
            *Revelation 12 yields key ;-)

            WRATH BEGINS! :-(

            Rev 13:11-18 KJV – And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

            FALSE PROPHET REIGNS! :mrgreen:

            And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

            P.S. If you can’t see the bible logic above sister, then I’m sorry I can’t help you understand :-(

          • MRH says:

            RAPTURE OCCURS! :-)

            Rev 11:11-19 KJV – And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

            WRATH BEGINS! :-(

            And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

          • MRH says:

            TRIBULATION & SALVATION & WRATH DEFINED

            THE END BEGINS (HEAVEN & EARTH)!!! :-) :-(

            Rev 12:7-12 KJV – And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

            WRATH (ON EARTH)! :-(

            And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

            SALVATION (IN HEAVEN)! :-)

            And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

            TRIBULATION (OLD & NEW)! (implied only)

            And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

            SALVATION (IN HEAVEN)! :-)

            Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them.

            WRATH (ON EARTH)! :-(

            Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

          • Mark, you said this:
            WRATH (ON EARTH)! :-(

            Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. unquote

            I believe it said–the devil had great wrath, because he knows he has a short time.—–NOT GOD”S WRATH. Reread it again, Mark.
            God’s wrath is after tribulation.

          • MRH says:

            Brenda: Tribulation is NOT Satan’s wrath. As Tribulation does NOT involve enslavement. After Tribulation and rapture, Satan’s wrath kills or enslaves the remaining world (mark of the beast), followed afterward by Gods wrath on the beast empire.

            Anyway, I gave you the clear context with above scripture, so why do you choose to deny my logically defined offering? :-(

            Also Revelation 13b is a wrath situation, even if the word ‘wrath’ isn’t noted in the passage ;-)

          • suez says:

            MRH, I have to say,,,Interesting Mark!!! :-)

          • MRH says:

            I think it may well be true Sue ;-)

            Below is email from source inquiry…

            Even though we see the technology for the ‘MARK OF THE BEAST’ rapidly advancing believers will never see it’s implementation. The rapture happens in Rev 11 an the MARK is handed out in Rev 13.

            As for the rest – please listen to this. You will find all the confusion melt away…

            Michael D. Shoesmith
            Social Networking Director
            Ministry Coordinator
            PPSIMMONS/CGM

    • Teresa B says:

      Good thoughts there Brenda, I do see him white I guess because color doesn’t matter to me. I mean didn’t they say Clinton was our 1sst black president??lol Have a good day blessings

  54. MRH says:

    For all to listen whom have ears to hear ;-)

  55. STL says:

    DM2: THANK YOU_THANK YOU_THANK YOU.

    All we need to have is our SALVATION IN JESUS CHRIST, then we just set back and wait!

    Its useless argueing over PRE OR POST and MID! JESUS WILL COME ON HIS OWN TIME, not our time!

    • NOTHING but the BLOOD OF JESUS, BROTHER

      Christians are dying right now, soon it will be here.

      no one commented about the info teresa posted about osamas executive orders, you people better be ready.

      Thank you teresa

      • Amen! Dane, that is what we are trying to do, just to warn people to get strong in the Lord.
        Ron and I are not trying to force anything on anybody.
        Like we said, salvation is only thru Christ’s blood….but the early church was tried by fire, to purify them, and the Bible says that Jesus is patiently waiting for the latter rain.

        Jas 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.
        Jas 5:8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.
        Jas 5:9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.
        Jas 5:10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.
        Jas 5:11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

      • Teresa B says:

        you are welcome DM2, you have a good day, Blessings to you. Just know I don’t expect any comments only to share the news. :)

  56. Gump reloaded says:

    @Zion

    You said “we don’t enslave them today”
    are you living in regret? Martin Luther king didn’t give nobody freedom, he was used by Christ as a servant to help some see their futile ways. Everything you named as a crime that blacks commit are also done by whites you dummy. You are the worst kind of so-called christian. You have a nazi mentality.

    • WE NEVER DID ENSLAVE THE NEGRO, THEY SOLD THEMSELVES INTO SLAVERY, AND THEY STILL DO.

      GET OVER IT. TAKE RESPONSIBILITY.

      • suez says:

        @DM Yes, Amen to that Samuel. They seem to not know that fact, or simply denied that it really happened. It was their own black tribes, that captured and sold them into slavery! So, how is that our fault? Those I feel sorry for is the American Indians. Now they truly have a legitimate gripe!!! :-)

    • STL says:

      GUMP: DO YOU THINK IN HEAVEN THERE IS A COLOR ISSUE THERE? WHEN I WAS IN VIETNAM AND BLACK OR WHITE PERSON WAS BLEEDING WE ALL BRED THE SAME COLOR “RED!”

      YOU SHOULD MAINTAIN ON THAT YOUR SAVED BY JESUS SALVATION, WHEN YOU ACCEPTED JESUS AS YOUR SAVIOR, THEN THIS WORLD HAS PASSED AWAY, OUR HOME IS IN HEAVEN, WE WILL NOT HAVE ISSUES OF COLOR THERE, YOU NEED TO GET PAST THE ISSUES OF RACIALISM.

  57. STL says:

    RON MURPHY: HAVE YOU EVERY FELT EACH TIME WE SAY OUR OPINION TO TRACY, SHE COMES UP THAT WE ARE JUDGING HER EACH TIME, BUT WHEN SHE MAKES A STATEMENT AGAINST US, SHE FEELS THAT’S NOT JUDGING US?

    • Tracy says:

      @STL,
      Good grief. I wasn’t judging you whenever I answered your question about non-Christians becoming a Christian and trying to force their belief onto you. But, haven’t you seen it done HERE on this site. I was trying to point out that none of us are to judge others–meaning the self-righteous two that post here.
      You need to reread the comments before you type.
      STL, have a great day, because you sure need it.

  58. STL says:

    DM2: DID NOT YOU MEANT BY SERVING 2 MASTERS YOU SHOULD OF SAID SERVING 3 MASTERS, OBAMA, SATAN OR ONE’S SELF? BECAUSE SOME DO NOT RELIZED IT WHEN WE DO NOT SERVED OUR LORD JESUS, THEN WE ARE SERVING OURSELVES!

  59. STL says:

    DM2: EVERYONE REALLY GETTING TOUCHES ABOUT OUR COMMENTS TO EACH OTHERS.

  60. STL says:

    Gump: There is over 400 years of hatred of the color issues, and it will never change in this world, as I believe it will only get worse.

    But by accepting Jesus Christ as your Savior, he does not see you as a black man, he see you as a child of God.

    We need to learned, by allowing Jesus, to take care of this hatred of color issues, and allow us the feeling of being in touch with our feelings to Jesus alone not by ourselves.

    You go to him, he will changed that hatred to love in your heart!

  61. MRH says:

    People, Why the endless battle over trivial issues? :-( :-(

    @Ron and the like clan: From the day I met you folk on here, in my sad observance you seem to relish in slashing and trashing others honest and innocent offerings. Is that how you think a good Christian should act, by arguing and back-stabbing, etc? From the start you have relentlessly attacked me and other believers by our whatever innocent posts, and in the process have started many emotional fires, some of which now seem unquenchable! In fact some folk have even departed the blog due to the endless war.

    You claim to obey God, and yet the evidence just isn’t there. There is not even a hint of brotherly love evident in your multitude of posts, which is in total contradiction to Gods commandments! All you folk do is relentlessly look for faults in others, which you then use to accuse them. Exactly as the Jewish leaders did with Jesus and the apostles! You claim to be good Christians, but I’m sorry that so far you’ve not proven it unto me :-(

    What do the holy scriptures declare on matters? ;-)

    Lev 19:18 KJV – Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

    Mat 5:43-44, 46 KJV – Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; … For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

    Mar 12:30-31 KJV – And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

    Luk 6:27, 32 KJV – But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, … For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.

    Jhn 13:34-35 KJV – A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

    Rom 12:10 KJV – Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;

    Rom 13:8-10 KJV – Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

    Gal 5:13-14, 22 KJV – For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. … But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

    1Th 3:12 KJV – And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you:

    1Th 4:9 KJV – But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.

    Hbr 10:24 KJV – And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

    Hbr 13:1 KJV – Let brotherly love continue.

    Jam 2:8 KJV – If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

    1Pe 1:22 KJV – Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

    1Pe 3:8 KJV – Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:

    1Jo 3:11, 14, 17, 23 KJV – For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. … We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. … But whoso hath this world’s good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? … And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

    1Jo 4:7-8, 11-12, 16, 20-21 KJV – Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. … Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another. No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. … And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. … If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

    2Jo 1:5 KJV – And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.

    P.S. Having made my bold scriptural statement above, I hereby now rest my case in ugly social matters :-)

    Mark – a true loving and honorable child of God :-) :-) :-)

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Defense rest, also! :)

      • MRH says:

        So is a truce in order by this declaration? Meaning no more attacking me or others on their innocent posts, even if not agreeable unto you? :-)

        P.S. We are all still learning concerning biblical matters, especially those concerning end time matters ;-)

        Btw I think I may have finally made some major inroads into understanding end time prophecy stuff. But to do so I had to forgo the silly pre-trib concept, and as well eliminate common post-trib tradition. As neither are correct unto scripture, both are flawed in varied ways. So then I guess my final stance is the rarer mid-trib theory, which actually does fit bible call clean and clear :-) :-)

        • Ron Murphy says:

          I plead innocent! I write the word and say the word, if it cuts then take it up with my Master!

          • MRH says:

            You are only innocent if you leave well enough alone ;-)

            Obviously the prior scriptures I posted concerning things failed to make a dent in your strange brain? :-(

            So lets try another scriptural angle shall we? ;-)

            Eph 4:31 KJV – Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

            Col 3:8 KJV – But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

            Mat 7:1-2 KJV – Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

            Luk 6:37 KJV – Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

            Rom 14:10, 13 KJV – But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. … Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way.

            Jam 4:11 KJV – Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.

            Jam 5:9 KJV – Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.

            P.S. Instigating war here or wherever contradicts Gods law, and also results in future rewards being depleted :-(

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Not so, Mark, if God tells me to do something and I don’t obey, then I’m guilty! Now who made you a judge? And who’s do all the grudging here? You spread your twisted misunderstandings here proclaiming not to understand clearly, and teach other to see your way when you yourself don’t know the way. They got words for people like you!
            How many times have you joined in with STL, to attack me and D City? This man is at least honest to say he has declared war on us. You on the other hand, hide behind your gown and hammer, pretending to be a righteous judge, just like Eric Barger.

          • MRH says:

            Ron: I have no interest in attacking you, except you attack me first. And since when have I ever instigated a fight with you?

            Furthermore by calling my wise honest offerings twisted misunderstandings in above comment is clear proof that have not the love of God dwelling in you, but rather Satan’s hatred :-(

          • STL says:

            RON MURPHY: It was on Fox news and youtube videos that PAUL WALKER the actor that was killed in his fast moving car, now have a video that a missle hit the car that cause the car to explode into pieces. Another drone?

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Was he a threat to somebody?

          • suez says:

            Who was Paul Walker? What movie was he known for? I’m not remembering him. But it is very awful!!! :-( Maybe that is how they will take some of us Christians out. Out of control Drones…LOL I live in a pathway to the airport…they could easily blame that on a faulty landing…:-)

          • Tracy says:

            @Ron,
            MRH is right. The very first post I read from you to me was you cutting me down regarding the rapture.
            I, too, simply cannot feel any brotherly love coming from you and clan. It’s not there!!

          • MRH says:

            Tracy: From above uncalled for slash, Ron has proven his evil intent as accuser of the brethren. Do you not agree? :-)

            Would Jesus or the apostles act mean the way he does? Without justified means for casting judgment? Think hard and long about it ;-)

            P.S. Do you not notice that whatever I post that doesn’t agree exactly with their theories gets immediate slashing? :-(

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Slash, what are you doing, Mark? Quit slashing, Mark!

          • MRH says:

            How am I slashing Ron? I’m merely pointed out facts :-)

            P.S. To prove goodness in your heart Ron, I’d suggest by immediately ending your relentless attacks on us Christians. Can you do that much? :-)

            And if you can’t do that, then I highly suggest that you consider leaving the blog forever. As you have not been a blessed presence here from the beginning, and excepting a miracle I don’t expect that you ever will be a joyful presence here :-(

          • Since we are guests here, I thought you all would be rather hospitable, but I was wrong. I have never felt any love from anyone. Not Christ-like at all!

            1Pe 4:9 Use hospitality one to another without grudging.

          • MRH says:

            Just imagine if we were all living in the same house :mrgreen:

            P.S. I often feel more love from heathen than from Christians, which does not inspire fellowship hope :-(

          • Ron Murphy says:

            We don’t and never have felt any love from you, Mark! You just won’t let things settle for a while, got to keep it stirred up, don’t you?

          • MRH says:

            That’s because your hearts are bitter (full of malice), you think that Christian love is slashing the innocent. Or by loading hoards of whatever scripture at us. Sorry, but God does not commend you in your ill thought out actions :-(

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Yes I do, Slashing with love, the Holy word of life, will set you free. I know it hurts, but you will understand some day. The Jesus hurt them so much with the truth, they left and never came back. The Apostles was hurt with love, too.

            Heb_4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

          • MRH says:

            Ron: Slashing others is NOT an act of love, rather it’s an act of hate.. in Gods holy book :-(

            As Christians we are expected to avoid judging others without just cause. And your attacks and judgments here are not of just cause. But you don’t see that, as you are blinded by your religious pride. Just like the Jewish leaders whom crucified Jesus were. So in the same smaller sense, you cold hearted folk crucify innocent Christians here on a continual basis… so sad :-(

            P.S. And don’t try to defend yourself with scripture, as your evil efforts hold no passion with God!

          • Teresa B says:

            Benda, I think if you rethink that you might think differently? I don’t recall being unkind to you. Have a great day, blessings to you

          • Well, maybe only a handful of people, but they are almost all gone now. :(

          • Ron Murphy says:

            I do remember that, Tracy. And I remember why! You said to Levi,” Don’t leave us Levi, we need to stand against them”‘( post tribbers). And Levi said , ” don’t worry, Tracy, I got all kinds of questions for them.
            I knew at that minute what it would be with you. But I remember how I liked you anyway , and then you begin attacking me with your clan. You always said how you true Christian are saved and no one else. You referring to you doctrine only! God will judge us all. I’m not leaving under your threats or anyone’s threats, you should know that, by now. I’ll leave when God tells me to. I’ll proclaim His truth as long as I have breath or fingers to type. So move over Tracy, make room for me or move on. I’m here whether you like it or not, and we already know the answer to that! You go right on with your hatred and your accusing, and judging . One day you will answer for it all. Then we will see who is justified!

          • Tracy says:

            @Ron,
            Please Ron be honest. Is that asking too much from you? At least, if you are going to post about me, just tell the truth.
            Eric Barger’s article cut deep didn’t it?

          • Ron Murphy says:

            It hit my shield, Tracy, woke me up! He’s about as big hypocrite as I’ve seen, condemning and practicing what he’s preaching against! It’s very clear who Teresa is referring to, when she said her own words, Tracy. After all there is not a lot, posting on this site. One with any discernment at all, could see who it was at. I feel no condemnation, just all your hatred at me, because you can’t stand the truth. But I warn you all, this Mr. Barger going to lead you all to hell, if you follow him. Now that’s off my hands and on yours. Your an Instigator, Tracy and a truce breaker. I hope you repented because God hates covenant breaking. Even more so by those that make the covenant.

          • Teresa B says:

            Ron, I asked you to point out in the article what was wrong or un Scriptural? I asked you to tell me his false teachings, so until you do so can you stop because you need to back up your allegations.

          • Teresa B says:

            You know Ron I just re read this. You are mistaken if you think I post for certain people. I post for all, if the shoe fits then I cant help that. It spoke to me as well and it was directed at the Church not Ron STL or whomever. We are the Church the Body of Christ but don’t act like it. To say people hate you is a lot over the extreme for sure. TRUTH is relative to whomever is speaking.

          • MRH says:

            We are the Church the Body of Christ but don’t act like it

            That’s an understatement Teresa. The majority of Christians I’ve met relish on casting rash judgments :-(

            P.S. Beware that zero heavenly rewards will be given for such childish behavior :-(

          • Teresa B says:

            I do know this MRH, when people say God told me to do something it never works right. I am not talking about sharing Gospel either.

          • MRH says:

            Yeah I’ve noticed that too Teresa, which is why one must also be careful in such claims ;-)

            P.S. However I will say that God does instruct me in my daily life matters, also regarding bible matters :-)

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Mark – a true loving and honorable child of God :-) :-) :-)

          • Teresa B says:

            Ron, attacking w Tracys clan?? The only women clan I ever heard of is Clan of the Cave Women and they didn’t attack anyone that I remember.

        • Teresa B says:

          MRH thank you for above, it is true no matter which way its cut, the whole is the same. I don’t care how all argue the Trib point as no matter what Scripture says, it is going to happen, when I don’t know, I just will be ready by my daily walk. I do care about being saved tho which if I as non believer and came on here would leave immediately as that solid teaching is not on here. Have a great day Blessings Oh and I do care about my claim to fame which is not use sarcasm. There are many who have a cryptic spirit. After awhile it is wearing on the soul.

          • MRH says:

            Teresa: YW :-) As for rapture/trib controversy, I do believe that there are two parts to tribulation. Below is an email response from a post-trib advocate, which I thinks makes total sense. And by my own recent in-depth bible research, I reached the same logical conclusion.

            Tip: The bible has the answers, if one interprets things properly ;-)

            Even though we see the technology for the ‘MARK OF THE BEAST’ rapidly advancing believers will never see it’s implementation. The rapture happens in Rev 11 an the MARK is handed out in Rev 13.

            P.S. Also please read my post here on topic (below link), which I think clarifies any confusion with longtime mystery issue ;-)

            http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=16091#comment-476170

  62. STL says:

    Suez: Nothing in this world is factual except death! So we accept Jesus Christ as our Savior, and we wait. We only try to do our best as christians in this evil world, and request forgiveness to our Lord Jesus Christ daily!

  63. STL says:

    If you guys going to letters as LOL or Btw, please remember I come from the old school?

  64. MRH says:

    LOL = Laugh Out Loud ;-)
    Btw or BTW = By The Way ;-)

    Common chat lingo :-)

    • MRH says:

      IMO or imo = In My Opinion ;-)
      (sometimes IMHO) H = Honest ;-)
      FYI = For Your Information ;-)

      and others less common or irrelevant here.

  65. STL says:

    Ron and/ or MRH: I’m really tired of fighting over these issues who is right about Rapture= pre-mid-or post.

    I think the main thing we should be worried about did we accepted Jesus Christ as our Savior and we accepted Jesus Salvation, if we did and you believe in your mind you are saved.

    Then what’s the point when Jesus comes for us?

    • MRH says:

      STL: Don’t think of yourself as an innocent party, as you’ve slashed me and others hard before also. Do you so soon forget? :-(

      P.S. Read 1st John carefully brother, as it contains the key to proper Christian behavior and salvation knowledge ;-)

      • Ron Murphy says:

        What are you doing now, Mark? Peace to good for you!

        • MRH says:

          What does it look like Ron? I’m reminding STL of his past attacks at me and others, which he seems to have forgotten. Not to start a war because of it. I certainly hope not, but his above reply was a bit cold imo :-(

          • STL says:

            MRH: YOU KNOW WHY YOUR REMINDED BY MY ATTACKS, BECAUSE YOU STILL HAVE NOT ACCEPTED JESUS AS YOUR SAVIOR, BECAUSE IF YOU HAD, THEN YOU WOULD OF FORGIVEN ME, AND JUST DROPPED IT.

          • MRH says:

            STL: I have forgiven you, I always do. I was just disturbed by above butt-in rant concerning battle between Ron and I. Of which I feel was not your business to get involved it, as it wasn’t concerning you.

            P.S. As far as salvation, that issue is between God and I to judge and determine ;-)

          • STL says:

            MRH: NO YOU HAVE NOT IF YOU FORGIVE, THEN ITS FORGOTTEN IN YOUR MIND! SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP AGAIN, ITS STILL IN YOUR MIND!

          • suez says:

            STL, that would take quite a mind to do that! I’m sure Jesus has forgiven, but he still remembers when they crucified him!!!! We have memories, even if we forgive, we remember. But, we should be able to love and have a kind relationship with the person we forgave. But, we may not want to be boos-em buddies with them!!! LOL

      • STL says:

        MRH. YOUR PROBLEM YOU CAN NOT FORGIVE ANYONE, IF YOU HAVE, THEN YOU WOULD NOT BROUGHT UP MY PAST COMMENTS TO YOU, AND SINCE YOU CAN NOT FORGIVE ME, SHOW YOU HAVE NOT RECIEVED SALVATION FROM JESUS CHRIST, SO IT REALLY DOES NOT MATTER IF ITS PRE-MID- OR POST TRIBULATION, UNTIL YOU ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR YOU SURELY WILL ENTER THE TRIBULATION AND GOOD CHANCE OF FAILING AND ENDING UP IN HELL?

    • Ron Murphy says:

      That’s right , Sir. As long as we hold to those nail scarred hands is all that matters!

      • MRH says:

        Without brotherly love, I fear it’s all in vain, at least as far as rewards go :-(

        • Ron Murphy says:

          You don’t understand love, Mark. You are to sore to find it. To love someone is to tell them the truth, no matter how it hurts them, because you know in the end it will help them more.

          • MRH says:

            On the contrary Ron, I do understand LOVE very well :-)

            LOVE is respect of others, and caring for them as well ;-)

            Hint: Witnessing truth is good, but only if done in LOVE :-)

          • STL says:

            MRH: Your a hermit, hiding in your apartment every day, you need to go out meet others, and yes, they will hurt your feeling alot, but we learn from those mistakes. Love comes from learning about hateful people, but that shows you how to love that much more!

          • MRH says:

            STL: Yes I’m aware of the hermit aspect, but working to hopefully change things. At present the Saturday fellowship is my only social activity. Even so as the hermit, I never much seem to get bored, just lonely at times. I’m at the PC night and day practically ;-)

            P.S. Remember I’ve had roommate situations in the past (bad experiences), plus I’m not much of a social butterfly by nature ;-)

          • Teresa B says:

            MRH, can you at least go walking? Go to a Zoo or a big Public Place where you can smile and say hello? They will always respond, and yours might be the only one they get that day! Blessings and a prayer for His Will be done.

          • MRH says:

            Teresa: I do get out often for shopping excursions, but otherwise I tend to stay holed up in my happy hole with my happy cat ;-)

            P.S. I’m not only shy, but have a personality disorder (Aspergers Syndrome), which greatly hampers life in general :-(

          • Teresa B says:

            MRH I understand, my neighbor does as well. He is in College in Mich to be a Lawyer. Yup cats can make one happy, good to hear you get out. Blessings

          • MRH says:

            Teresa: My cat loves me and I love my cat :-)

            She’s my only real friend in this world, and I’d probably become depressed without her. Here’s a photo of her, and my hole plus town ;-)

            http://www.singsnap.com/karaoke/member/spiritofmystery

          • MRH says:

            Oops! dumb browser posted before I could finish :-(

            http://aeroventure.com/MyPhotoPage/Photos.htm

            P.S. From prior link, which is my happy hobby karaoke :-)

          • Teresa B says:

            Nice will be back tomorrow to listen, Blessings to you

          • MRH says:

            Hopefully I won’t have to delete things first, due to my song critic. But also will be singing more tonight.. another SingSnap crazy challenge :-)

            P.S. Recording is a headache, getting things right :-(

          • MRH says:

            My first insane vocal offering Teresa ;-)

            http://www.singsnap.com/karaoke/r/bc751e06e

            The remainder at below link (if they survive critic) :-)

            http://www.singsnap.com/karaoke/profile/recordings/a818ea80

          • Teresa B says:

            MRH cool cat we had a short haired one once, Bud, we had to re home him cuz the girl down the street drove him to the roof! Cats are so cool and humerous, I think we could all write a book! Take care

          • MRH says:

            Teresa: Mine is medium hair breed (according to vet), and she sleeps much during day. Then later she goes rampant about my place (like a loose rocket or missle), somehow without causing property damage in the process.. amazing ;-)

            Btw at bottom of my SS page is some older photos I took of her.. slide show format ;-)

            P.S. I’m a cat lover myself, but only had one cat in youth, which died shortly after I aquired him.. was a stray I think. The vet put him to sleep.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Can You read a mans heart , Mark? Do you know his thoughts? Do you try the reins of the heart? How are you able to judge? Have you special gives given to do these things?

          • MRH says:

            No I can’t read thoughts Ron, but I can read actions ;-)

            P.S. Slashing others is not the good Christian manner :-(

        • STL says:

          MRH: ” without brotherly love,”
          ” I feel its all in vain,”

          These are the last days we are living in, Matthew 24:12- Love will grow cold, what you think Jesus was telling you?

          So since others do not give you brotherly love, your just going to give up on Jesus?

          As rewards goes, we do not recieve rewards on this earth, we collect rewards in heaven for our services on this earth!

  66. STL says:

    Ron Murphy: Have no idea, was he a treat to anyone or someone did not like him and that person had contacts with drones?

  67. STL says:

    MRH: YOU SAY RON IS WRONG, BUT BY YOUR ACTION YOUR WRONG ALSO, SO DOES 2 WRONGS MAKE IT RIGHT?

  68. STL says:

    MRH: I HAVE FELT ALOT OF PEOPLE HAVE ATTACKED ME, BUT WHY DWELL ON IT? I FORGIVE THEM THEN DROP IT!

    • MRH says:

      STL: I would do just that, except they refuse to honor a truce.. i.e. Ron mainly :-(

      P.S. At least we can try to peaceably communicate? :-)

      • STL says:

        MRH: AGAIN THAT RON’S PROBLEM NOT YOUR TO WORRY ABOUT, WHAT HE WANT TO DO OR NOT, JUST TELL HIM YOU LOVE HIM AND FORGET WHAT EVER YOU FEEL HE DID TO YOU, THAT TRUE SALVATION!

      • Ron Murphy says:

        I have never made a truce with you, Mark, it is Tracy I made a truce with, and she broke it. I do not break truces.

  69. STL says:

    I HAVE AN GREAT IDEAL?????????????????

    RON, BRENDA, SUEZ, TRACY, MRH, TERESA AND ME, LETS ALL FORGET AND FORGIVE EACH OTHER AND STOP WORRYING ABOUT WHO KICK OVER THE JUG OF MILK. AND WE ALL JUST SAY HELLO, START ALL OVER AGAIN?

    • MRH says:

      STL :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

      But how long can such a wonderful wild idea last? I’d say less than a minute. Ron has al;ready indicated no truce interest, and the proof is in his replies unto me :-(

      • STL says:

        MRH: IF RON DOES NOT WANT A TRUCE THAT HIS PROBLEM, NOT YOURS TO WORRY ABOUT?

        • STL says:

          MRH: I REALLY DO NOT CARE HOW LONG IT WILL LAST, AS LONG I DO NOT BRAKE THE TRUCE, THEN ITS THEIR PROBLEM, NOT MINE!

        • MRH says:

          STL: Yes it is, as his attacking me will lead to my retaliation, as is evident here. I’m not yet perfect, able to ignore being provoked. Plus in a sense silly, as just text on a page.

          P.S. Imagine if this kooky group chat was in real life? Do you think it would be so violent? I’m betting not, as in the real world folk tend to be far more reserved than online ;-)

          • STL says:

            MRH: NO YOUR WRONG MRH,WE NEED TO LEARN TO LOOK THE OTHER WAY, ALWAYS GIVING IN LOVE TO EACH OTHER, IF YOU CAN NOT DO THIS, THEN YOUR ACTIONS PROVES YOU HAVE NOT COMPLETED TO ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST ON HIS TERM, BUT ITS YOUR TERMS, AND IF YOU CAN NOT FOLLOW AFTER JESUS, THEN YOUR LOST, AND YOUR LOST GOING TO HEAVEN.

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Sounds great. I wish we all could shake hands and hug one another. After all we all could be looking at everybody here when we get to heaven. Should we not try to get alone here first? Just because I tell you, you have to go through tribulation, does not mean I hate you. Why would you presume that anyway? I tell you because I love you, People. I tell you because I don’t want you to be let down, by false doctrine. I would that you be angry at me, than to be shocked when it happens. You can lash at me now, just be ready in that day!

      • STL says:

        RON: YOU NEED TO CHANGE YOUR WORDING FROM FALSE DOCTRINE TO FALSE OPINION!

          • STL says:

            Ron Murphy: There is love in you after all, if you calm down in your teaching, be a little more affectionate, more people would listen more to you, be sharp and diect to the point in conversation, actually scares people.

            When I was young I tried to sell Kirby vacuum cleaner door to door, I’m 6’6” tall and with bass voice, when I came to their door., I would knot on the door then step back a few feet, and I found that worked, because my face in the screen scare them because of my height and voice, and I learned to soften my voice level, that summer, I out sold any other person.

          • Ron Murphy says:

            :) I will try, Thank you.

      • Teresa B says:

        Ron, thank you for your honesty, I never doubted your love for Christ. blessings to you

    • Teresa B says:

      STL how many times have you said that???????? I don’t need to forgive anyone because I have not been wronged. I have been misunderstood but what I always say is correct. The tongue is the most vile enemy on here w attacks. I don’t give a rip hoot or any other word you want to insert what you all want to argue about but I do care about that. Have a good day

      • STL says:

        Teresa B. so you never make mistakes? So your correct all the time? We need to for give everyone, every day, that what Jesus was taking about “forgiveness.”

        • Teresa B says:

          STL, ok how bout this concept? One should not have to ask repeatedly for forgivness for the very same thing. Have I ever stated I make no mistakes? There you go again assuming things.

    • I forgave everyone a long time ago, STL………….God will sort us all out!

  70. STL says:

    MRH: GROW UP, ALL I HEAR IS YOUR JUDGING ME, I HAVE OPINIONS JUST AS YOU DO, MRH, AND I STATE MY OPINIONS TO YOU, YOUR STARTING SOUND LIKE TRACY, YOUR JUDGING ME!

    SOUNDS LIKE YOUR CRYING AS A 4 YEAR OLD CHILD, GET OVER IT!

  71. MRH says:

    TO ALL: ENJOY THE ETERNAL BLOG BATTLE FOLKS, BUT I’VE GOT OTHER MORE IMPORTANT ISSUES TO CONTEND WITH NOW LIKE SINGING MY SONGS ;-)

  72. STL says:

    MRH: YOU STARTED THESE COMMENTS AGAINST OTHERS, NOW, SINCE YOU DO NOT LIKE THE ANSWERS, NOW YOU SAY, I GOT BETTER THING TO DO, THAT A COP OUT!

    • MRH says:

      STL: WRONG THINKING AS I DID HAVE OTHERWISE NEEDS TO DEAL WITH AND BEDTIME SOON ABOUT 1:00AM NOW ;-)

      P.S. PLUS BEING IN CALIF USA OUR TIMES ZONES DO DIFFER? :-)

  73. STL says:

    MRH: Tell me about 2 Thess. 2: 6-8 out of content/ only who restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way and verse 6: and you know what restains him now, so that in this time he may be revealed.

    So basically the restrainer has to be taken out of the way before the lawlessness one ( ANTICHRIST) is revealed to the world. And we know without his appearance the 7 year Tribulation will not begin.

    The restrainer is the Holy Spirit. ( Genesis 3:3/ Job 1:10/ Is. 59:19; 63:10-11; John 16:8)

    So where is the Holy Spirit?

    Or do not you know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. ( 1 Cor. 6:19)

    Holy Spirit Acts 16:6
    Spirit of God Gen. 1:1
    Spirit of Jesus Acts 16:7

    So basically the Holy Sprit is the Restrainer, that lies in the bodies of believers.

    So the Holy Spirit needs to be removed before the Antichrist is allowed to start the 7 year Tribulation.

    So where is the Holy Spirit taken too?

  74. STL says:

    MRH: In 2 Thess. 2:7 (KJV) For the Mystery of iniquity doth already work, only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the (way.)

    Highlighted ” the way” the end work of the Holy Sprit in the present world.

    2 Thess 2: 3-4 let no nan decieve you by any means, for the day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and then man of sin be revealed, the son if perdition,

    Falling away or Apostasy in greek means departure!

    So what do you get out this?

    • MRH says:

      STL: Correct, the restrainer is the Holy Spirit in the church. However the church does endure the first part of of the Tribulation. However the Tribulation doesn’t end midway, but rather increases in intensity in the final half. Anyway, I’ve broken things down here below as best I understand them ;-)

      http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=16091#comment-478205

      P.S. As I discover new biblical evidence, I’ll be posting things here, though maybe no in this blog. Also I plan to email things, and as well eventually create a YT video reflecting my thoughts :-)

      • MRH says:

        Hint: Matt 24 ends at the midway point, not the end of Tribulation. And keys are in both Daniel 11, and Revelation 11, 12, & 13 ;-)

        Mat 24:29 KJV – Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

        Hint: The second half of Tribulation is Satan’s Wrath (Revelation 12), wherein the church has prior risen ;-)

        Rev 12:12 KJV – Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

        P.S. The bible is a book of prophetic riddles, which can be solved by exploring it in context ;-)

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Mark Why do you change the words of Christ to please yourself? Jesus plainly told us it was after tribulation.

          Mat 24:29 KJV – Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: At least your are seeing a little though The 2nd half of the week is satan’s wrath and after that, then comes God’s wrath! You flaw in saying satan’s wrath is not tribulation. Do you not know all persecution comes from the accuser of the brethren? Do you not know the antichrist wars with the saints? Do you not know the first half is given in peace and safety? That the Jews will sacrifice and be content and happy with their new found messiah? Do you not know the will worship him and except him? What are you thinking? Only the 144k will not turn to worship him. You do not understand yet, Mark! Quit teaching until you understand. You blind yourself and lead the blind. You know the rest of the story?

          • MRH says:

            Ron: It says ‘Immediately after the tribulation of those days’, that doesn’t mean that troubles are over for the world, only for the saints (Christian, Jew).

            Tip: The church is gone before the last half of Tribulation ;-)

            P.S. It’s all there clear as day, if you properly interpret things by context :-)

            Btw Revelation 11 details the church and Israel.. the two witnesses. But I’ll let you ponder that one ;-)

          • MRH says:

            Hint: The 7th trumpet is both the rapture and final part of tribulation (worst half), as Daniel 12, and Revelation 11 declares.

            Dan 12:1 KJV – And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

            Rev 11:11-15 KJV – And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

            P.S. The Wrath of God is after Satan’s Wrath ;-)

          • MRH says:

            Do you not know the first half is given in peace and safety?

            1Th 5:3 KJV – For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

            Ron: Who are ‘they’? Does that mean peace for the saints, or for the world? Yes for the world there will be a peace time of sorts, but that’s also when the saint’s witness with power gifted by God, then are vanquished temporarily ;-)

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Israel, Mark. That’s what the white horseman is about, bringing in peace and a covenant to protect and build a temple for Jerusalem, that they can sacrifice once again.

          • MRH says:

            No Ron, I don’t think that’s what the white horse represents :-(

          • MRH says:

            At least not in the exact fashion. I believe the white horse represents the Catholic Church, and it also plays a major role in the end. Possibly involvement in the peace treaty, but that’s where the false prophet comes in. So I expect it may well be a tandem effort by both the antichrist and false prophet?

            What is most interesting is that the prior pope had interest in buying the temple mount. I’m not sure where the new pope stands, but he is indeed befriending Israel and the Jews. In fact the prior pope preached peace in Israel in 2008 (I think?). Btw Obama also visited Israel, twice (I think?), including the temple mount and Wailing Wall.

        • MRH says:

          Hint: The abomination of desolation is the Tribulation catalyst ;-)

          Dan 11:31-33 KJV – And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.

          Mat 24:15-16 KJV – When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

          • Ron Murphy says:

            That’s right , Mark, and the abomination takes place in the middle of the week, to start the tribulation period, very good. That will end the 70 years to fulfill the indignation and bring in everlasting righteousness, Daniel 9:24. One week is left, Mark. In the middle of that week is the abomination, Daniel 9:27. As you say, that is the tribulations beginning.

          • MRH says:

            Ron: You’re forgetting one important factor, the reign of the false prophet which happens after the antichrists reign. The church suffers the antichrist hour yes, then are vanquished and resurrected. Afterwards the false prophets enslaves the world. The church is in heaven then, during Satan’s wrath.

            Anyway, I’m working hard to piece things together. And my theories were partially correct in my web page project ;-)

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Sorry, Mark I don’t see it like that. The false prophet does the works in the presence of the antichrist and causes everyone to worship the image, the antichrist, and to take the mark. He is a side kick not succeeding him.

          • MRH says:

            That may be so Ron, but such doesn’t happen till later according to scripture. However my brain is fried on matter for tonight :-(

          • Ron Murphy says:

            Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

          • MRH says:

            Ron: The FP is the final world power, and the pope is him. He is the ‘son of perdition’, NOT the AC, as the AC is merely the prelude secular king. Evil as well, but not the man of sin (contrary to opinion)

            And I guarantee both entities occupy the end time stage now! They seem totally human, but neither are human! They are both creations of Satan!! They are a product of science, of which I can’t explain in mere words. Much is hidden by government :-(

            Anyway, welcome to the End Time duo ;-)

            Barack Hussein Obama = Antichrist (false identity/name)
            Pope Francis I = False Prophet (false identity/name)

            P.S. They work together for a common goal, which is the building of the NWO. Mark my words!!!!!

    • suez says:

      2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
      2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
      2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
      2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
      2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
      2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
      2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
      2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
      2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
      2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
      2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
      2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
      Stay on the subject, to my knowledge it isn’t talking about the Spirit of God!!! The Spirit of God IMHO can not and will not be removed or people would not be able to be saved during that time. Stay on subject. Who is he talking about??? Hmmm

  75. Ron Murphy says:

    In the middle of the week before the abomination he gets angry because of Cyprus met him and defeated him in the sea as he return to battle Egypt. That’s what ticks him off and he comes into Jerusalem with his armies and does the abomination. Dan 11:30-31.

  76. Teresa B says:

    Ron and MRH good dialogue, thank you

  77. STL says:

    Mrh: If we have the Holy Spirit in us, when we go to Jesus accept his Salvation. And in ( 1Cor. 6:19)- Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit?

    ( 2 Thess. 2: 6-8) describes the RESTRAINER is the HOLY SPIRIT as in ( Gen. 3;3/ Job 1:10/ Is. 59:19; 63: 10-11/ John 16:8) only who RESTRAINS will do so (until) he is taken out of the way.

    (2 Thess. 2: 2-3) let no man decieve you by any means, for the day shall not come a (falling away first), and then man of sin be (REVEALED,) the Son of Predition.

    In Greek falling away or Apostasy means departure.

    This so simple before the AntiChrist appears to the world the Holy Spirit leave this earth, that means the CHURCH BELIEVERS.

    Or there will not be any Tribulation beginning at all! Because the ANTICHRIST start this 7 year Tribulation.

    But God leave the 144,000 christian jews to preach the gospels to the lost in this 7 years and we know that in the 2nd Coming when Jesus sets his feet on Mount Olives, the 144,000 will be standing with him.

    • MRH says:

      STL: You’re forgetting about the false prophet (FP). The AC reigns first and vanquishes the saints unto rapture. The FP reigns afterward unto global enslavement.

      The question is who is the ‘son of perdition’? Is he the AC, or maybe rather the FP? I think the latter, as the FP is religious (the temple is religious), the AC is a secular king ;-)

      Below is how it was briefly explained to me by email, and fits perfectly with scripture ;-)

      Even though we see the technology for the ‘MARK OF THE BEAST’ rapidly advancing believers will never see it’s implementation. The rapture happens in Rev 11 an the MARK is handed out in Rev 13.

      • STL says:

        MRH: the AC has to follow the same pattern that Jesus did when he came to this world right up to His death and resurrection.

        Jesus was born from a Human woman, raised by humans, John the Baptist, and the Spirit of God enter Jesus, he show the Jews that Jesus was their Messiah. Jesus died and then resurrected in the form of God.

        THe AC, is born from a human female, raised by humans, the False Prophet proclaim the AC to his powes, AC is killed and then resurrected, Satan enter the AC proclaim himself God in the 3rd Temple at mid- point in the Tribulation.

        Why did not the jews accept Jesus as their Messiah, as the jews asked John the Baptist if he was Elijah? He said no, and they had him killied being a false prophet.

        At mid-point in the Tribulation, Elijah will appear to the Jews, and proclaim that Jesus Christ is their Messiah. At this point, then the Jews will know the truth and refuse to worship Satan as their God.

        • MRH says:

          STL: I don’t where you’re getting all the above info, but it certainly can’t be from the bible brother :-(

          For one thing, Elijah already came some 2000 years ago ;-)

          Mal 4:5-6 KJV – Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

          Mat 17:10-12 KJV – And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.

          • MRH says:

            Luk 1:15-17 KJV – For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother’s womb. And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God. And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

            Jhn 1:19-23 KJV – And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou? And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ. And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No. Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself? He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.

  78. STL says:

    MRH: the 144,000 standind with Jesus on Mt. Olives in the 2nd Coming Rev. 14:1

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Hey, Buddy, I believe that to be spiritually, speaking , meaning they accept Jesus at that time. For even now He stands with us, spiritual speaking.

      • MRH says:

        Ron: there are two 144,000 groups, and they aren’t the same orders by the context. I believe the 1st (Rev 7) are the saved Jews, and the 2nd (Rev 14) is the saved Church.

        P.S. scripture can verify things, but too late to analyze things tonight.. the song bird calls unto me again ;-)

        • STL says:

          MRH. You saying there two 144,000 groups of christian jews?

          You just making up these statements as you go, if what you say, use it in the scriptures only!

          You are getting more weird by the day! LOL

          • MRH says:

            STL: It’s too complicated to deal with that topic tonight, plus as I told Ron.. the song bird is calling me to the stage ;-)

          • MRH says:

            STL: Revelation lists several saved groups; 144,000 (Jews), 144,000 (Christians), tribulation saints, wrath martyrs.

            Tip: 144,000 is not an exact numbering per se, but rather a symbolic number. And I can’t explain except to say that Revelation is highly symbolic. Likewise with Daniel; beasts, horns, etc ;-)

            As for second 144,000 group, note below scripture :-)

            Hbr 12:22-24 KJV – But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

            Rev 14:1 KJV – And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads.

            P.S. Do you not see the parallels? And there are much more, but it would take much researching matters. However on my latest web site I did a study on the groups, but plan to eventually revise things a good bit due to new knowledge ;-)

            http://aeroventure.com/PretribulationRapture/Pre-tribulation_Rapture.htm#The_144,000_and_tribulation_saints

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Why? Please explain?

      • STL says:

        Ron: scriptures are literal or figurative, not spiritual!

        Then if its spiritual as you say, then its spiritual that the 2nd Coming as Jesus sets his feet on Mt. Zion, not being literal. That whole verse has to be literal or spiritual, it can not he half literal and half spiritual?

        And I looked, and behold, the Lamb was standing on Mount Zion, and with Him 144,000, having His name and the name of His father written on their foreheads.

        That sure sounds literal.

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Sorry STL, I can not agree. Most is literal, It’s just Jesus will not leave saints in heaven.

          1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

          Rev 7:17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Those harpers there in verse 14:2 sees the saints still in heaven singing a song. So Jesus must be there still.

  79. Ron Murphy says:

    STL, I do believe the 144k are still in Jerusalem, on Mount Zion when they accept Jesus. I don’t believe they leave Jerusalem to hide in Petra as widely taught. But I understand when they accept Him, is when the 2 prophets are resurrected, just after they finish their testimony and are slain, by the antichrist, Rev. 11:7-11.

  80. STL says:

    MRH: You need to pick up your bible and start reading it again.

    So me where it states there are 144,000 for Christians and 144,000 for the jews in scriptures?

    • MRH says:

      STL: Scripture is crystal clear that although the Jews were and still are Gods first chosen peoples, they were and still are NOT the first fruits unto the Lamb.. the Holy Church is ;-)

      Rev 14:1-5 KJV – And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

      See the Church parallels below ;-)

      Rom 8:23 KJV – And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

      1Cr 15:20, 23 KJV – But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. … But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.

      Jam 1:18 KJV – Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

      Christ technically is the firstfruits of all, but the church comes in second, later others. Anyway, see below ;-)

      Tts 2:14 KJV – Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

      1Pe 2:9 KJV – But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

      SPIRITUALLY
      We are saved
      We follow Jesus
      We sing salvation
      We are holy virgins
      We are without blame
      We stand on mount zion
      We are redeemed of men

  81. STL says:

    MRH: where your getting all your info from the comic books? LOL

  82. Ron Murphy says:

    Mark, there can be many first fruits of many things. You can’t just start throwing scripture together that don’t apply. You are using them out of context. First fruits could be applied to the first love you have, the first works you do or just about any thing that’s starting out. This was a common phrase in their days. You should not bind every piece of scripture that uses that phrase.

    • MRH says:

      Ron: The context of the term ‘firstfruits’ is clearly explained above, it concerns the Christ and the Church, NOT the Jews. Revelation aspect doesn’t change status factors :-)

      Oh well I guess you can’t read either, or you just want to debate my studious offering? :-(

      • Ron Murphy says:

        I don’t care for your Stupidious offerings.
        One is talking about first fruits of the Holy Spirit.
        Another about the dead in Christ,( martyrs).
        Another about made into new creatures.
        You can’t tell the difference.
        What are you doing teaching, Mark, when you can’t even rightly divide the Word?
        The first fruit of the Kingdom Age are the 144K.
        Chosen by God out of Israel, redeemed among men., Rev 14:4 They are to inherit the land of Canaan, fulfilling God’s promise to Abraham, from river to river, Gen. 15:18

  83. STL says:

    MRH: We all have our opinions, but to recieve the truth from your your opinion, needs to be backed up with scripture, or its coming out of the funny books?

    • MRH says:

      STL: Whatever do you mean? I provided plenty of scripture to prove my point. Did you not even read my post even? :-(

      P.S. Your comment had zero scripture as I recall :mrgreen:

  84. STL says:

    RON MURPHY: WHERE IS MRH GETTING HIS INFO FROM?
    ITS NOT OUT OF GOD’S SCRIPTURES?

  85. STL says:

    RON MURPHY: I believe MRH been coup up in this dwelling for so many years, he’s completely not relizing what he’s tesifing about of his comments that there 2- 144,000 virgin jew young men will witness to the lost in the Tribulation.

  86. STL says:

    Ron Murphy: as i read it that in Rev. Chapter 7: 144,000 of 12,000 each from the 12 tribes of israelites. Servants sealed by God on their foreheads.

    In Rev. 14:1 lamb on Mt. Zion with him 144,000 sealed with the Father’s name upon their foreheads,

    They were purchased out of the earth and they were said to be the 1st fruits unto God and unto the Lamb.

  87. MRH says:

    @Ron & STL: Both of you are completely lost :-( :-(

    I absolutely guarantee that 144,000 is a symbolic number, NOT a literal count. Likewise with the 200,000,000 horsemen in Revelation 6th Trumpet ;-)

    In any case, until you both accept (or grasp) that Revelation is a book of symbols, you might as well go read Dick and Jane, or Tarzan the Apeman, or a common literal novel? :mrgreen:

    P.S. The bible is both literal and symbolic in design, and for certain much prophecy is highly symbolic.. especially Revelation. All accomplished bible scholars know this simple fact you do not know?

    And God intended it that way to mentally divide the readers of it. Jesus also spoke in parables for the same reason (to confound the acclaimed wise). While Paul frustrated himself unto no end with the brainless churches!

    Anyway, if you can’t grasp the simple logic here, what’s the point in me wasting my friggin’ time teaching prophecy stuff here? I might as well be teaching it to my cat, or the wall :-(

    • Ron Murphy says:

      Right STL, mark need to go back to school and learn to count, 12K X 12 tribes = 144K. But of course Mark would say the 12K are not literal either, their just symbolic.

      • MRH says:

        Would you like more milk my dear child Ron? :mrgreen:

        P.S. Whenever you’re ready, I’ll give you some meat to chew on ;-)

        Hint: I’ve got important holy stuff to attend to now :-)

        • Ron Murphy says:

          Give your symbolic milk to you symbolic cat, Mark. I get
          my meat from the Lord. Your meat tainted.

          • MRH says:

            Ron: My cat is NOT symbolic (did you not see her photo?), but I do fear that your acclaimed holy meat has long been spoiled.. FALSE APOSTLE WARNING! :-(

            P.S. You don’t want truth, as you’ve all the answers?
            In that case, what then is there left to discuss?

            TO ALL FOLKS ON NTEB: Ron’s word equals Gods word (in his mind?), so I guess enjoy your whatever fantasy bible game, as I’d rather play; Clue, Scrabble, Battleship, etc ;-)

  88. STL says:

    MRH: Is your holy stuff is symbolic ?

  89. STL says:

    MRH: Is that cat you got symbolic?

  90. STL says:

    MRH: Most of the bible scriptures are literal, like the prophecies, but some are figurative as Jesus told his stories to the Apostles.

    Your starting to sound like a jehovah witnesser, with symbolic, figurative, literal. This religion is so confusing, it would make a simple man go crazy. the more you lead yourself away from the literal part of scriptures the more you would confused the lost sheep, as they would give up on God. I’m sure glad I listen to God than men in there hersies. do not listen to the wisdom of men but the power of God!

    • MRH says:

      STL: True for literal parts, but much prophecy is symbolic ;-)

      P.S. JW’s are far off the mark imo, as they believe Jesus already returned in 1914. Not literally but spiritually. Well he did return spiritually, but that was back on Pentecost. But the JW’s seem to deny that fact :-(

      Hint: The context usually holds the key. As for figurative factors, they are speckled throughout scripture. And Paul the apostle used figures quite often actually in his letters to the varied churches ;-)

  91. STL says:

    MRH: Ron will argue this until Is. 17:1 happens, before the Tribulation starts, because Ron acts like the Apostle Thomas, he did not believe in Jesus when Jesus just appear in the room of the Apostles after Jesus death and resurrection, Thomas wanted to see with his own eyes, the marks in Jesus body. But Jesus said, to Thomas, there will be those who will believe in me and never have seen me!

    If you believe the restrainer is the Holy Spirit, then the Holy Spirit leaves the earth in the rapture, then the Antichrist will appear on world stage. Then who will proclaim the salvation of Jesus Christ? Since you believe the 144,000 are symbolic, there would not be anyone proclaiming Jesus salvation, and God would not do that to the lost sheep.

    So the 144,000 are jews from the lost 12 tribes of Israel. We know in the Old Testament at one time the 12 tribes existed. And now we know that 12,000 young jewish men from the 12 tribes of Israel will appear in the first half of the Tribulation to witness the gospels to the lost sheep. These will be the beheaded one’s.

    • STL says:

      MRH: But we know that the 144,000 will be literal standing with Jesus on Mount Zion in Rev. 14:1, so there not symbolic, its literally!

      • MRH says:

        STL: I don’t think so brother, as all believing Jews are resurrected, not just 144,000. And I guarantee there are going to be much more than that occupying the Millennium. When you add all the numbers up, from the ancient to modern Jews.. millions I’m guessing?

        After all, did not Hitler exterminate around 6 million Jews, Christians, and Germans? And I’m not even going to try and guess how many Christians will rise up, but for certain it won’t just be 144,000.

        In any case, only God knows whom his children are, but they Jew or Christian origin. And then there are the early believers dating back to Adam and Eve. The bible gives some, but not all genealogies.

    • MRH says:

      STL: Scripture doesn’t say that the ‘restrainer’ is the Holy Spirit. We just speculate that it represents the HS. However Ron thinks the ‘restrainer’ represents the AC.

      Brother, you are not examining things logically. We know that the third temple will soon rise, as evidence declares it. Plus the bible implies things. And when the temple rises, do you think believers are just going to ignore fact?

      On the contrary the church will finally wake up when those holy walls rise up! MY PREDICTION! And when the church does finally awaken, it will become an army of witnesses. At present all we have are NTEB and the like, hardly a drop in the witness bucket.. don’t you think?

      And I’m not even going to include the common Christian, as the majority don’t even witness Christ period. They just attend their varied churches and live their daily lives. To them, the name Jesus belongs strictly in the church.. sssh!

      • Ron Murphy says:

        Correction, Mark, I believe it is the word of God, He being taken out of the way when the Christians leave Judea, making it desolate, when the abomination takes place. Because that’s the verse instant the antichrist is revealed.

        • MRH says:

          Ron: Why Tribulation period? Daniel explains ;-)

          Dan 8:23-25 KJV – And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

          Dan 11:31-33 KJV – And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.

          Hint: The Tribulation is the end result of the saints exposing the Antichrist. And that expose begins the moment the temple rises, brought about by the peace covenant.

          Tip: the clues to things are in Revelation 11, 12, 13.. if read in the proper context that is ;-)

  92. STL says:

    MRH: I had Professor Martin in Bible College told the students including myself, that if any one of you, have any training in scriptures that you should just forget what you have learned. Then he said, we will start with Genesis 1:1 and finish with the last verse in Revelation. We will argue each scripture until each scripture will be understood.

    So I believe you need to do the same with someone?

  93. MRH says:

    STL: What did the angel strictly tell Daniel? ;-)

    Dan 12:4, 9 KJV – But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. … And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

    P.S. Consider prophecy study a kind of elusive game, as no matter how hard you try to solve it, you always end up falling short of the answer :-(

    We won’t know the actual score until the end time arrives, until the Lord returns to be specific. In the meantime there are still hoards of believers trying hard to decipher the end time riddles, running to and fro seeking answers. It’s all part of the prophecy conspiracy game!

  94. STL says:

    Suez: if your going to be Christ-Like, when we go to our Savior Jesus Christ asking forgiveness of our sins, he immediately forgets them. So if you can not forget those sins, then you really never forgiven those sins in the first place. So your not Christ-Like!

  95. STL says:

    Suez: catch up with us, in the new posts, everyone got mellow!

  96. STL says:

    Suez: today it was 50 degrees F. in Alaska, that’s warm this time of year there. No Dog Shed Races this year, very little snow!

    I wonder this changing weather has anything to do with the earthquakes in the Ring of Fire? Could it be cause the earth altas has been moving more than anyone expected and since NASA is government control and US Government does not want choas in the world the media being controlled?

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