CLOWARD-PIVEN 101: Did Obama Purposely Allow Sequester Talks To Fail?
Nineteen months after it was put into place, the sequester has arrived
Question: What is the CLOWARD-PIVEN Strategy?
Answer: The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward (1926–2001) and Frances Fox Piven (b. 1932) that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a national system of “a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty”. source – Wiki
We have long maintained that Obama seeks to collapse the American economy through massive debt, excessive welfare entitlements, and anything else he can get his hands on to wreak havoc. The damage and confusion that will be caused by the Sequester will advance those goals very nicely.

America, you have fulfilled Abraham Lincoln’s prophecy that only through an “attack from within” could we be destroyed. Enjoy your ringside seat.
From The Hill: Barring unexpected developments, President Obama will issue an order at some point on Friday — perhaps as late as 11:59 p.m. — cancelling some $85 billion in spending across the federal government.
It’s an outcome that no one in Washington wanted. When the across-the-board cuts were devised in the summer of 2011, they were intended to be so destructive, so appallingly arbitrary, that the parties would have no choice but to swallow a “grand bargain” on cutting the deficit.
But that breakthrough never came, and it’s unclear if one ever will.
Obama is scheduled to host congressional leaders at the White House on Friday, but few expect that meeting to spark progress on undoing the cuts that both sides have bemoaned as foolish.
“I think it’s probably going to take awhile before there’s a real meeting,” Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) said on Thursday. “I would look at tomorrow as a photo op — I really would. And I don’t know of anybody who’s viewing it differently at this point.”
In the unlikely event that the White House talk produced a deal, both the House and the Senate have already jetted out of town, making the beginning of sequestration a foregone conclusion.
“The Republicans want the sequester to go forward,” Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said at a Thursday news conference. “They’ve said so. And any efforts to get a reasonable approach to this, they won’t let us do it.”
The only legislative action on the cuts this week occurred in the Senate, where lawmakers on Thursday voted down a pair of sequester replacement measures along mostly partisan lines.
On the House side, Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) reiterated that his chamber would wait for the Senate to act. House Republicans pushed through two measures to replace the spending cuts last year, both of which expired at the start of the new Congress.
“Listen, we’ve laid out cards on the table,” said Boehner, who earlier this week told senators to “get off their ass.” “We’ve shown that we can pass bills to replace the sequester. It’s why we did it twice. It’s time for the Senate to act.”
With negotiations at a standstill, the Obama administration released a memo to give executive branch agencies guidance on how to implement cuts that will slice 9 percent off non-defense discretionary spending and 13 percent on the defense side.
Lawmakers doubt that the two parties will coalesce around a sequester replacement any time soon, even as they hope to deal with the cuts in a measure to fund the government past March 27.
“I think bad things are going to happen as far as national defense is concerned,” said Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a defense hawk who voted against both Senate sequester bills. “I think the ramifications for the military are very severe. I hope that is a forcing mechanism to bring us back together.”
Jay Carney, the White House press secretary, said the GOP’s refusal to replace part of the sequester with new tax revenues was to blame for the impasse.
Senate Democrats won 51 votes — short of the 60 necessary — on Thursday for their plan to replace the sequester with roughly a 50-50 split of revenues and spending cuts.
A GOP plan, which fell 62 to 38, would have given Obama more freedom to manage the $85 billion in cuts, which are to be implemented over a seven-month span.
Hundreds of thousands of federal employees are facing furloughs and lost pay if the sequester is kept in place. Because of notice requirements, those furloughs would likely not start until at least April, and even later in the month for civilian Pentagon employees.
The pain from the cuts, Carney said, would be “significant,” though not immediate. “They don’t all happen on Saturday,” he said. “It’s a gradual process.” he Thursday memo from the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) advised agencies to limit hiring, employee bonuses and travel to help cope with reduced funding levels.
OMB added that agencies needed to work with employee unions to help cope with the impact on workers. The National Treasury Employees Union, for instance, said Thursday that it was ready to bargain with the IRS over the potential five to seven furlough days that would hit employees this summer.
Carney said the sequester cuts have already exacted their toll on the operations of government, including the crafting of the White House budget, which is weeks late and now expected in March.
“The series of manufactured crises around budget issues, certainly has resulted at least in part in those experts in the administration who work on those issues having to spend a lot of time dealing with those crises rather than on that,” he said. “But that’s part of the job, and they’re working on the budget.”
With the sequester deadline passed, lawmakers are turning their attention to the expiration of government funding later this month. The House is expected to vote next week on a measure to fund the final six months of the fiscal year, a measure that is expected to keep funding at sequester levels.
“We believe that the spending reductions that were agreed to we need to adhere to,” said Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.). “And the question is: Can we figure out a way to do it more sensibly?”
“I think the answer is yes, if they’d be willing to work with us. But I’m not holding my breath on that.”
Reid said Thursday that he hoped lawmakers could come together and negotiate a replacement for the sequester in the bill funding the government. But with both sides dug in, that could lead to yet another set of protracted fiscal negotiations — and the possibility that the sequester will never end.
“Now is the time to get this done, and not let it go beyond March” said Sen. Ben Cardin (D-Md.). “Get not only the budget done for this year — we can get sequestration off the table. We can get some predictability for the private sector.” source – The Hill
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about 2 months ago
Yes I believe he did. This what he wants.
about 2 months ago
Why are the American people allowing individuals to steam roller them and push everybody around. Why dont the Americans push back.
about 2 months ago
Probably several reasons: Because they do not want to lose their entitlements. Most do not care or feel they have no voice. the other are B.A.C. Christians really do not care as long things continue to get worest until the Rapture occurs, then they will not be here to voice their opinions.
Most who are living the good life, believe everything will get better, as they believe there government is not lieing to them, just right now everything is slow and it will change to the better.
But how can it get better? 50% are recieving food stamps, more than 25% are unemployed, the miidle class are paying more taxes.
Let’s look at history and it seem the American people do not look at history: The Romans society was decaying right in front of their eyes and falling apart around them, the elite made sure the common man, who was being heavy taxed, remained distracted from their problems and the ineptitude of the class.
We are controlled by the media, the propaganda by Obama officials is numbing the people thoughts, what’s really happening in this world.
You see how stupid the elite think we are?
USA has more oil and natural gas than the Middle East, but Obama refuses to allow us to drill. So we continue to be dependent on Saudia oil, which continues to break the USA financial system, as Obama wants a One World Government, as he believe this would be better for everyone, but he’s being decieved by the Antichrist! So it does not matter which way we look at it, WE ARE DOOMED!
about 2 months ago
Hey New York–I’m sorry D City. See your using your words for good. Keep it up. Your reply gives me my own question. I agree with what your saying about those on entitlement. But don’t forget some people truly and honestly need it. But…Since so many right now who are trying to find work can’t…What do you think will happen if all those on entitlement are removed? I think….Mayhem.
about 2 months ago
Hello- Pastor LaRue, excellent observation. Good stuff. Please keep everyone informed. God Bless.
about 2 months ago
The solution is simple. Cut all entitlement programs completely. Then at least 50% of the government employee’s need to be laid off. Its really that simple. Then work on cutting taxes and making it easier for businesses then harder. People will find and create work when they are forced to. Bottom line. It amazes me that people are getting upset that a few government workers might lose their Jobs or a day or two of work from a week.
When 23 million or more (but definitely not less no matter how much they rig the numbers) people have been out of work long before these people were even effected. The whole situation is absurd. Unfortunately the only way out is to cut BIG government and entitlement programs PERIOD. It will happen or else it will all come crashing down. So all those people out there who are fighting to keep what they think they have coming.
Are going to be in worse shape then the people it has hit first. Why? Because they are going to wake up one morning and there will be no job, no money, NO FOOD all in an instant for them. That will be what they get for fighting cuts of any kind. Its all coming down and it won’t happen gradually. It will be over night.
Entitlement programs first. Then government jobs must go. Then Education funding and Jobs. (its quite obvious we are not becoming better educated) Our parents and grand parents were better educated. This idea that we are behind the rest of the world education wise is just a way to burn money and it has worked.
When people are forced to work they will. Not until then.
about 2 months ago
Hey New York–I’m sorry D City. See your using your words for good. Keep it up. Your reply gives me my own question. I agree with what your saying about those on entitlement. But don’t forget some people truly and honestly need it. But…Since so many right now who are trying to find work can’t…What do you think will happen if all those on entitlement are removed? I think….Mayhem.
about 2 months ago
No question there is no way out without mayhem at this point. The problem lies deep. It will require work, struggle, digging, effort and some hardship to turn it around.
Thats the difference between this government bread group and our forefathers.
Our forefathers made sacrifices to make it happen. Once you start letting the government in where it shouldn’t. Once you start depending on the government like programs like social security ect ect The list goes on you know what I am saying. Well once that happens you (or WE) as a people get fat and are no longer willing to sacrifice anything. Once that happens its over. So while it can be fixed it would not be easy. BUT ITS HIGHLY UNLIKELY AT THIS POINT. The ship is going down and still people are saying I will not sacrifice anything I have even for the sake of future generations, even their own children and children’s children. When you put it in basic form thats exactly what has been happening and is happening.
about 2 months ago
I believe that the reason people are “asleep at the wheel” is that they are under a God-permitted delusion, the first fruits of the delusion that will fall upon the populace when AC arrives on the scene.
I know he’s a secular commentator, but I believe Rush Limbaugh actually has hit the nail on the head with respect to this issue; check out his website. Obama does not actually govern; he merely campaigns continually. This is his strength; he is first and foremost a “community organizer” and it’s really all he is capable of doing. He does so both by nature and because it keeps him from actually being held responsible for anything. He is seen as constantly fighting those bad old Republicans and conservatives (the “party of No”) who are just out to deprive everyone. Because they are under the delusion, people don’t see him and his policies and his agenda as being responsible for what’s happening; there’s a huge disconnect going on. It is also part of Obama’s strategy to make sure that the Republicans are blamed for any negative outcome, to foster his ultimate goal which is to first eviscerate and eliminate the Republicans as any kind of real opposition, and then to eliminate them in fact and bring about a one-party system. The release of illegal aliens (and yes, I WILL use that term, because that is what they are) is a tactic used by Castro, Stalin, and other socialist dictators. Sigh. People have such short memories and fail to study their history. Confucius was right; he who fails to learn from history is doomed to repeat it, and here we are.
Obama is simply going to move (not govern!) from crisis to crisis (most of which he and his administration are manufacturing, IMHO) until he hits upon just the right crisis that will propel him “forward” into what he really wants–that is, (1) a one-party system under which (2) he is dictator with an unending term of office (“the problem is I’m not the emperor”) in (3) a communist/socialist system of government, where he is the sole arbiter of what is “fair” (and if you want a good description of the truly satanic nature of the whole concept of fair vs. unfair is, go read C. S. Lewis’ “The Screwtape Letters”, he states it much better than I can).
So, if there actually is anyone reading here who voted for Obama, are you awake yet? Hello? How’s that hopey-changey thing working out for ya? Better make your decision for Jesus pretty soon . . .
about 2 months ago
I agree MSB
about 2 months ago
The people that voted for Obama will keep saying its republicans that caused this and Obama did everything he could to make it work. They are brainwashed.
about 2 months ago
Excellent comment MSb. Really made me think hard about what you just said. Keep giving your opinions. Right or Wrong.
about 2 months ago
Here is an idea. All the lights over roads around the country everywhere. Turn off every other one. You know how much money that would save. These people running the show are idiots and the ones that aren’t know exactly what they are doing and that is deliberately making it all come crashing down. See they going to accelerate the crash though. Why? Because they are in charge right now and they want to be in charge to run the new show when it comes down. Make no mistake. Two kinds of people running the show right now. COMPLETE IDIOTS, and PEOPLE WHO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND ITS DELIBERATE.
about 2 months ago
The goal through the sequester is to cause as much hurt and pain as possible, to increase the impact as much as possible, although what the MSM fails to point out is that these cuts are really just a drop in the bucket overall, and will not impact all at once. Obama has full say over what gets cut, as Chief Executive. Rather than cut the global warming musical, and the robotic squirrels (watch Fox news!) he’s cutting the military and furloughing federal workers and releasing criminals into society. He wants to create as much animosity as possible towards the Republican party. (See my previous post above, I won’t repeat myself.) Yes, DCity, it is ENTIRELY deliberate.
about 2 months ago
Look the clown is on TV talking about what people with kids who are in programs that are about to be cut. What are they going to do. lol Welcome to the real world where that was always a personal problem and not a government problem and should never be a government problem. You got something for a while but it can no longer be afforded so it has to go. You and your kid will figure it out. Non of this non sense is the role of the government in the first place. The whole situation is people just do not want to take a hit for things they should not have had coming in the first place.
Created by a corrupt government that makes false promises and attempts to act on those promises so they can be popular and hang out with celebrities. No one takes the blame, no one takes the hit. So its coming down. PERIOD, its all coming down. Technically your retirement as of right now is just an illusion and its worthless. Eventually your going to be eating dirt with everyone else and thats when you will decide to act like a nut on my front lawn and thats where I put a stop to it.
YOU as not in you MSB but “YOU” referring to the people that created this stupidity.
about 2 months ago
Retirement? DCity – there is a plan in the works right now (you are probably aware of it, but others may not be , so here I go!) to establish another (!) entitlement plan like Social Security into which we will all be forced to contribute 5% of our annual income; this money will disappear into a black hole just like Social Security, and the government will pay you an annuity. These are to be called GRA accounts (“Government Retirement Annuity”). Everyone wil get a GRA account into which these funds will allegedly go. Then, the government wil confiscate our existing 401K plans and IRAs and supposedly credit this to our GRA accounts, but what it really amounts to is another redistribution of wealth, the seizure of the savings of millions of people who had the wisdom and foresight to save for the time when they would no longer be able to work. Now others who did not will benefit from their planning. Can’t you just hear Obama now? “It’s not FAIR for some people to have retirement money and some not to, and we want to make sure everyone has access to a retirement plan, so we’re going to handle all the money for you, and make things fair for everyone.” The government has already gotten all the lower-hanging fruit and now has its eye on the stuff higher up. What will happen is that those funds will be used to buy US debt because no one else will and the government is so far in the hole they can’t see the way out. When everything ultimately collapses (and I don’t know if we will all still be here at that point or if Jesus will have already come and gotten us), all that money will vaporize, poof! and so much for the idea of “retirement.”
There are some legal ways to shelter retirement funds and you can research those on the internet, so I won’t get into that here, but even those who try to put their retirement in gold to save it will probably ultimately lose that as well, because I also believe that the government will do what it did in the 30s and confiscate all privately held gold. They’ll probably have to, because that’s all the Chinese wil take in payment. (And the Chinese are hoarding gold right now, something else you can research for yourself, folks.)
about 2 months ago
Sounds right. Jesus won’t be here till after that happens. The bible states this will happen.
Revelation 6:6
King James Version (KJV)
6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Most people do not understand this verse. I will give synopsis.
1. This comes with the rider of the black horse. Black is the symbolic color for famine.
2. A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny;. (Three measures of barley equal approximately one pint. This is generally regarded as a minimum sustenance diet. Therefore, this verse foreshadows a time when an entire day’s wage will barely yield enough food to survive.
3. It’s expressing a need to watch food supplies carefully,just as the people had to “eat bread by weight and in anxious care” prior to Jerusalem’s destruction in 607 B.C.E. In John’s time, a quart of wheat was reckoned to be the daily ration for a soldier. How much would such a ration cost? One denarius, a whole day’s wage! What if a man had a family? Well, he could buy three quarts of unpolished barley instead. Even that would feed only a small family. And barley was not viewed as a quality food such as wheat.
4. Oil and wine were signs of plenty, abundance. In Revelation 6 the idea is that while some starve, others continue to live in luxury.
5. On the other hand some view the oil and wine differently. In Bible times, bread, oil, and wine were viewed as staples. Water was not always good, so wine was widely used for drinking and sometimes for medicinal purposes. So some say that part of the verse is saying “do not harm the olive oil and the wine” appears to be advice not to use up these basic commodities too quickly but to be sparing in their use. Otherwise, they will be ‘harmed,’ that is, they will run out before the famine ends.
Either way that verse is not good. But thats a basic synopsis so people better understand what it means.
about 2 months ago
Amen MSb
about 2 months ago
Sequester will not do the damage Obama says it will. If you look at the total budget and compare it to the amount being cut you can see that the cuts aren’t even real cuts but only cuts in proposed increases the has been done many time over the last thirty years or so and it has never led to anything but a still increasing defecit.
about 2 months ago
Here’s a link to a good article about confiscation of retirement plans:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/02/the_feds_want_your_retirement_accounts.html
I thihk the next “crisis” is what may precipitate this, it will be soon, sooner than you think and possibly before the end of this year unless the Lord tarries.
about 2 months ago
Folks, here’s a link to Rush LImbaugh’s website, I know it’s secular but I really agree with him this go-round, I think this really is what Obama wants to do with this sequester. Explains it better than I did!
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/03/01/obama_tipped_his_sequester_strategy_in_2012_des_moines_register_interview
about 2 months ago
All of this financial drama is part of the smokescreen that keeps our eyes off what is really going on. We know that their will be a single economic system, a single religion and a single government. We know that everything needs to be shaken before that will be possible. We are in the middle of the shaking. With any luck, we will be raptured and not have to face the final playing out of this situation. It was obvious what BO was up to before he was even elected the first time. The only thing we should be concerned about is seeing the signs and looking up. We should desire in our deepest hearts that others would look up with us. I am totally disgusted by what I see and the ignorance of people who think their futures are padded by aligning with BO. I, though, look every day for the next horrible thing that is setting the stage for the return of our Lord.
about 2 months ago
One of His own — I thin this is the first time that I’ve read comments at any site here on NTEB where everyone is hitting it out of the park. There has been great information and opinions. Nobody is bashing anyone. All great info for people who might stumble on this web site to maybe read some truth about what IS REALLY going on. Everyone can take this for what its worth because I don’t bring much incite but…Well Done Everyone!!! God Bless and keep your eyes up waiting for our Savior.
about 2 months ago
D City:
Again it seem you have all the answers to fix the problems in the USA, maybe you should of run for the Presidency?
There’s no way to fixed these problems, the whole world is doomed!
And speaking of entitlements, are you planning to cut by 50% war veterans pension’s also, who gave parts of their bodies to these wars, as they believe it was for there country. All I hear is you complaining, instead of bitching, why did not you tried to fixed these financial problems, several years ago?
about 2 months ago
I do not believe in holding positions of power of any kind. Power and money is a temptation that no man can withstand over time. I have been blessed to be kept away from great positions of authority and power.
Matthew 20:16
King James Version (KJV)
16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
Matthew 19:30
King James Version (KJV)
30 But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.
about 2 months ago
You either want it fixed for your children or your children’s children or you want to have it all fall apart and have your children and their children for generations to be slaves to your enemies. So cut it in half or face the consequences and no one gets anything it all comes down and your seed becomes slaves for generations.
about 2 months ago
See money even works dangerous things on a pastor. What a terrible excuse and whats more terrible is your willing for it all to come down and apart and generations of Americans to have nothing and be slaves. But hey thats just what those soldiers who got injured or died for, fought for right!!! WRONG THE FOUGHT FOR FREEDOM. I guess we know what you fought for.
about 2 months ago
I am not complaining I am stating the truth that few others will state. I point out and say things no one else will say when its absolutely necessary that it be said. You came in looking for a fight I see.
You fought and died for your country to make money is what you said rather then for peoples freedom.
See people that fight for freedom make sacrifices. People that fight for money are called Mercenaries.
Mercenaries are what we are fighting against most of the time in other countries.
about 2 months ago
D City: Why people are asleep at the wheel for several reasons:
Their just too stupid to look around and see what’s happening to our country. Or their too scare to say something, as it might be used in the wrong content, and why people continue to bitch after the fact that it already happen, why did not they say something years ago, because their personal life was doing just fine and if they said something about it, their wonderful life would be destroyed! ” It really stupid how people continue to complain about everything when there lives are going into the toilet!” When things are going good for them, they do not need God, but when their lives are in the toilet, then they need God!
about 2 months ago
Not sure why you are just addressing me other then to pick a fight. But I am up for the task if you like.
YOU SAID: “And speaking of entitlements, are you planning to cut by 50% war veterans pension’s also, who gave parts of their bodies to these wars, as they believe it was for there country. All I hear is you complaining, instead of bitching, why did not you tried to fixed these financial problems, several years ago?
Based on your comment you didn’t fight for freedom and fought for money your not willing to give up now even if it means you and all your future generations of family become enslaved. In a nut shell thats exaclty what you just said. Tuff choice but whats the right choice.
PEOPLE WHO FIGHT FOR FREEDOM MAKE SACRIFICES They do not fight for money.
Again people that fight for money are called Mercenaries.
Mercenaries are what we are fighting against most of the time in other countries that are not FREE!!
I said people are going to have to make sacrifices. Whenever there is freedom involved, sacrifices will always have to be made. However no one is willing to sacrifice anything and that is the problem. Thats what I said.
about 2 months ago
Republicans are equally responsible….when the government rises there will be no republican or democrats… it will be us and them
about 2 months ago
Agreed I never said republicans are not equally responsible. I said that right now they are trying to blame everything on republicans. Thats for the reason that MSb said. Which is to crumble the other parties and move towards a one party system.
about 2 months ago
If there’s nobody in the government who can stop this confusion by OB, then if and when our society breaks down for good, the people of God will have to step up and open their hearts to those who are suffering. This will be a real test of our love and faith also.
I had a dream that people were stranded near my home in a terrible snow storm and needed a place to stay. I opened my home to many many people and they were sleeping in all the bedrooms upstairs, on the couches in the den and livingrm, in the hallways, on the floors etc…
I think God is getting ready to test all of our hearts who love him when these things start happening more with the economy, weather, etc…
It’s also good to speak out against injustice while we can! Great Posts All ! Shalom
about 2 months ago
@D city so nice
My comment was not aimed at you …I just read the article and responded
about 2 months ago
I know but I did mention republicans so I just wanted to clear up what I was saying so everyone understood lol
about 2 months ago
D City:
Your statement:I’m kept away from the great position of authority and power.
But you and many others complaining how Obama is destoying our rights. When Obama 1st was running for President, his slogan was ” Change” but everyone got what they asked for ” change” it was not for the good but for the bad. In politics you can not make everyone happy, ha ha!
Now since 51% wanted this man, who will bring in the antichrist and allowing Gays the same rights as one man and one woman to marry and have the rights in a union of marriage!
All your comments are ending up on deaf ears, just a bunch of complainers, go to the source, complain directly to President Obama, and see how many rights you think you have left? There is no party lines, the elite wants you to believe there 2 parties, but all both parties to remain in confusion. But both parties remain in their position of power collecting their monthly salaries and bonuses, while we are heavy taxes and complaining about these problems.
But there is a new Dictator coming, and you will not have any choices to complain about his rules and regulations, his name is JESUS CHRIST!
about 2 months ago
D City:
Don’t complain to me about making money from the miltary, I was drafted into the military I went screaming and yelling in hand cuffs, I had no rights to decide to fight for my country, but again politics made that decision for me!
Was I wrong about being forced into military, who cares?
Everything you see in life is a fight for you! But I never have heard from you how you are going to help your fellow man?
All you do is complain but their no action from you!
I fought for others rights, I help the poor find housing, find a job to support themselves for 25 years in street missions, I gave 1/2 of my pension each month to basically the poor. I’m not boasting, I do all these things for Jesus Christ. If I was boasting, I would of kept the money for myself and try and live the good life for myself! Last year, I recieve alot of back pay from Veterans Affairs, I went to Tucson, Az. handed out to the street poor $ 100.00 bills to them and had only one thing to say to them, God told me to help you! One asked me how should I use this money, I said, its not my place to judge you! If you want to use it for drugs that between you and God.
That was really was enjoyable handing out that money directly to the poor than giving it in donations to these ministers in their glass houses!
about 2 months ago
TO: NTEB:
MOST OF YOUR POST ARE JUST PLAIN STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LET’S REALLY HAVE A HEATED DISCUSSION!
SINCE YOUR WEB SITE, BELIEVES IN THE PRE-TRIBULATION THEORY!
WHY DO NOT YOU PROVE YOUR THEORY AGAINST THE POST-TRIBULATION THEORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
about 2 months ago
THIS IS TO EVERYONE!
INSTEAD COMPLAINING ABOUT THE CONDITION WE LIVE IN. WHY NOT BACK UP YOUR BELIEF IN THE PRE-TRIBULATION THEORY?
D CITY WILL HAVE A HEATED DISCUSSION WITH YOU ABOUT HIS THEORY, AS HE BELIEVE IN HIS BELIEF OF THE POST-TRIBULATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
about 2 months ago
its time for the “american spring”. we should start now!
about 2 months ago
Pastor LaRue and D City (who I think formerly posted as NEW YORK something)….
You guys need to stop. I am not asking you to stop posting. I understand you, at least temporarily, have the right to free speech. But you are not acting like Christians and neither of you can fully prove your point. If the Holy Spirit dwells in you, he gives the power to read and understand scripture. But I have actually STOPPED reading this blog for a while because of your un Godly attitude toward each other. I am actually reading cursing now. STOP IT. Come on guys you are adults. PLEASE stop bickering and realize that pre-trib post-trib rapture EITHER way you believe is not going to keep you from being saved…it is not a salvation issue. You guys are making people think if this is how Christians act, we really DON’T have any hope.
Stop and think for a minute. Do you really believe you are honoring God, the creator of the Universe, the lover of your heart by your fussing. You are breaking the 10 commandments by murdering each other with your words and you are NOT following the top commands of the Savior to LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
Can we just say you guys agree to disagree???
Please for the sanity of those of us who know what we believe and why, but won’t post hear because of being mistreated by you two, just STOP. Give it a rest.
From a sister in Christ!
about 2 months ago
Who brought up the rapture here? O thats right pastor, and in case you haven’t been reading sister in Chirst I haven’t engaged him at all in conversation or the rapture for a while now. But thank you for such wise observation. It is a salvation issue as changing or twisting Gods word is. If you teach anything that the bible does not say then it is against God and his word. Might want to read your bible though. But again thanks for your concern sister. I really do appreciate it much.
The son of God was clear. If you need help I offer this to you.
May God Bless you with wisdom and understanding always.
about 2 months ago
Why all these cutbacks,when the can give Egypt 26 fighter jets plus 250 million dollars in revenue…I smell a rat here…
about 2 months ago
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