6 Horrific Facts About Hell That Your Pastor Never Told You

The vast majority of professing Christian churches in 2015 are no longer preaching on Hell. It upsets too many people, so most pastors just stopped talking about it. As...
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"...And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments"

God didn’t want you to burn in Hell, that’s why He shed every drop of blood he had. I don’t want you to burn in Hell, that’s why I’m witnessing to you.

“But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.” Luke 12:5 (KJV)

What is the purpose and goal of NTEB? We exist to lead sinners to Christ, help prodigals come home, and to preach and stand for the truth of God’s word in last days of this age. Unfortunately however, there will be some readers of NTEB that will one day awake in a Devil’s Hell. I do not rejoice over this, but it is the sad reality. One of the reasons for this is that the vast majority of professing Christian churches in 2015 are no longer preaching on Hell. It upsets too many people, so most pastors just stopped talking about it. As a result, many people who mistakenly think they are saved because they are “good people” will wind up in a place that God never intended for them to go. Is that YOU?

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“…And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments”

Some readers have already predetermined within themselves that they are going to trust in whatever their religion says to the very end, no matter what God’s word has to say about it: whether it’s commandment keeping for salvation, enduring to the end for salvation, tongue speaking, trusting in lying signs and wonders they’ve “seen”, water baptism regeneration for salvation, etc. Some readers will just simply not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation. Once again, I do not rejoice over this. Maybe it’s not a reader. Maybe this article gets passed along to a lost relative, friend, or co-worker. Maybe this article gets read right before a lost man or woman goes out to celebrate the Devil’s holiday on the 31st.  I don’t know, but I pray that all will come to the Lord Jesus Christ as a broken sinner with no means of justification outside of the blood that Christ shed on Calvary’s cross for them; but this just won’t be the case for everyone.

Before you mark me as simply being negative, notice that both Moses and Joshua had similar views about the nation of Israel regarding their eventual refusal to heed God’s word:

“And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them. Then my anger shall be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them, and I will hide my face from them, and they shall be devoured, and many evils and troubles shall befall them; so that they will say in that day, Are not these evils come upon us, because our God is not among us?”  Deuteronomy 31:16-17 (KJV)

“And the people answered and said, God forbid that we should forsake the LORD, to serve other gods; For the LORD our God, he it is that brought us up and our fathers out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage, and which did those great signs in our sight, and preserved us in all the way wherein we went, and among all the people through whom we passed: And the LORD drave out from before us all the people, even the Amorites which dwelt in the land: therefore will we also serve the LORD; for he is our God. And Joshua said unto the people, Ye cannot serve the LORD: for he is an holy God; he is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins. If ye forsake the LORD, and serve strange gods, then he will turn and do you hurt, and consume you, after that he hath done you good. And the people said unto Joshua, Nay; but we will serve the LORD.” Joshua 24:16-21 (KJV)

If you are saved and reading this, be sure to a) thank God for your salvation! And, b) be encouraged to witness to those lost around you. Time is so very short.

Here are 6 horrific facts about Hell that you might want to take note of:

Horrific Fact #1 – You didn’t have to go to Hell

I believe that one of the many reasons why God refers to atheists as fools (Psalms 14:1 KJV) is because only a fool would choose to burn in Hell when they didn’t have too. I mean seriously, what the heck are you doing down there?!? Did you not read where the Lord Jesus Christ specifically stated the Hell was prepared for the devil and his angels?

“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:” Matt 25:41 (KJV)

Are you the Devil? No. Are you one of the Devil’s angels? No. Then WHAT ARE YOU DOING DOWN THERE?? God didn’t want you to burn in Hell, that’s why He shed every drop of blood he had. I don’t want you to burn in Hell that’s why I’m witnessing to you. The Devil wanted you to burn in Hell, but he couldn’t FORCE YOU to go. Why did you choose to go?? Talk about a mind-boggling question that will haunt you throughout eternity.

Horrific Fact #2 – In Hell, you’ll be a misfit

What do Jacob Taylor Roberts, Elliot Rodger, and Asa Coon all have in common? Well on top of being Atheist active-shooters, all three of them decided to take the cowards’ way out after their mini-murder spree by committing suicide. Many ask why they would commit suicide. That answer is simple in my opinion. In the atheist worldview, after death there’s nothingness. Nothingness is a thousand times better than being a young white or Asian adolescent male in prison these days! You talk about being a misfit! How is a middle-class young male that had just about all the privileges and opportunities in life going to “fit in” with some of the world’s most hardened rapist, career criminals, gang members, serial murderers, habitual abusers, and sadist that are doing life in prison? You think that’s going to be some sort of walk in the park??

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In eternity, you’re down in Hell with the Devil and his angels after you were given several chances throughout your life to receive the Lord Jesus Christ as your personal savior. You think you’re going to get along with the devil and his angels down there?? You think you’ll have something in common with them?? They were damned since the book of Genesis with no plan of redemption like you had; what will they think of you whom God choose to manifest in the flesh for, paid your price for sins you committed and you refused it?? You’ll be an eternal misfit.

Horrific Fact #3 – You’ll be burning in Hell AT LEAST 1000 years before God judges you

Once again, Rightly Dividing the word of truth shows up (2 Tim 2:15 KJV).  The Great White Throne Judgement does not occur until AFTER the Lord Jesus Christ 1000 year Millennial Reign on earth. Meaning that you’ll be burning in Hell for AT LEAST 1,000 years before God officially judges you face to face at the White Throne Judgement. Think about a lost sinner going to Hell at the age of 17, 27, 37, 49, 62, 99, or 100. What’s 100yrs on this earth compared to at least 1,000 years in Hell! That alone should make to want to repent and come to Christ!

Horrific Fact #4 – Hell is currently located right below your feet; in the heart of the earth

“For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” Matthew 12:40 (KJV)

As a lost sinner, do you know what will drop your soul to Hell after you die? It’s called gravity. Your sins have a weight to it (Heb 12:1 KJV). Your sins burden you down. When you breathe your last breath, that weight of sin is manifested upon your soul (Ezekiel 18:20 KJV) and your soul plunges down into Hell. You see, death for the lost is not like what the world’s movies show you on television. There are no demons that come up and have to fight with your soul to take you to Hell, it’s not like that. When a lost man dies, gravity continues to do what is always does. There is nothing inside that lost man to bring it up, he’s dead in trespasses and sins. The saved man however DOES have something inside him to bring him up to Heaven!

“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.  But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.” Romans 8:9-11 (KJV)

Horrific Fact #5 – No such thing as annihilation

Contrary to what science, religion, or worldly education has taught you, there is no “nothingness” after death. There is also no such thing as “nothingness” in Hell. Don’t believe the religious heresies that come from Jehovah’s Witness or Seventh day Adventist that teaches you there is no literal fire in Hell and no eternal torment. They are both VERY REAL:

“And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.”  Mark 9:43-44 (KJV)

“And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.” Luke 16:22-24 (KJV)

“And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.” Revelation 14:9-12 (KJV)

“Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, set thy face toward the south, and drop thy word toward the south, and prophesy against the forest of the south field; And say to the forest of the south, Hear the word of the LORD; Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will kindle a fire in thee, and it shall devour every green tree in thee, and every dry tree: the flaming flame shall not be quenched, and all faces from the south to the north shall be burned therein. And all flesh shall see that I the LORD have kindled it: it shall not be quenched. Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! they say of me, Doth he not speak parables?” Ezekiel 20:45-49 (KJV)

Don’t believe the lie when they say the rich man in Hell was a parable. The Lord Jesus Christ never referred to that as a parable. In Hell you will burn. You will burn good and you will burn forever!

Horrific Fact #6 – God specifically reserves the greater damnation in Hell for false teachers and preachers

“But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.” Matthew 23:13-14 (KJV)

The greater damnation in Hell doesn’t go to the murderers, pedophiles, sadists or homosexuals, no. God specifically reserves the greater damnation to the unsaved false teachers and preachers. What exactly that is I don’t know, but it’s a greater damnation then just burning in Hell. That is precisely why having the right doctrine is CRITICALLY important. People ask me all the time why the Pre-Time of Jacob’s Trouble catching away vs the Post-trib rapture is such a big deal. It’s a big deal because the Post-trib doctrine teaches that the sinner must “endure to the end” to be saved. This consist of not worshipping the beast or his image, nor getting his name, number, or mark in your forehead or hand.

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If a sinner trust that as the “plan of salvation” for today, he’ll bust Hell wide open when dies. WORST YET, if he teaches or preaches that as the plan of salvation to others, he shall receive the Greater Damnation in Hell. The same goes with other false doctrines such as baptismal regeneration, sacraments, commandment keeping for salvation, etc. When it comes to false doctrine, God has ZERO tolerance:

Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.” Matthew 15:7-9 (KJV)

“Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees. And they reasoned among themselves, saying, It is because we have taken no bread. Which when Jesus perceived, he said unto them, O ye of little faith, why reason ye among yourselves, because ye have brought no bread? Do ye not yet understand, neither remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets ye took up? Neither the seven loaves of the four thousand, and how many baskets ye took up? How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees? Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.” Matthew 16:6-12 (KJV)

“Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.” John 7:16,17 (KJV)

“Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.” Romans 16:17,18 (KJV)

“That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;” Ephesians 4:14 (KJV)

In the end, it all comes down to this. In our dispensation of the Church Age, God has ordained the word to go out by good, old-fashioned, Bible preaching. It’s not about “7 Steps To A Better Marriage”, or “The 12 Traits Of Successful People”. It’s about JESUS CHRIST, and Him lifted up to draw all men unto Him.

“Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.” 2 Timothy 4:2-4 (KJV)

Jimmy Randolph is a veteran, husband, father, Bible believer and a devoted student of the word of God. He was called to preach on the street in 2012, and maintains a strong, personal tract witness for the Lord Jesus Christ.
    • Larry / vietnamvet1971

      Interesting topic, I will follow.

    • Danny

      Oh, how I wish all those I associate with would grasp this reality.

      • Why don’t you grab the link and share it with them?

        • Marius van Niekerk

          Thanks for your big work Geoffrey, it is so inspiring, specially for the times we are living in. I am in South Africa and grew up in an Afrikaans orthodox church, however the Holy Spirit let me to understand the bible, prophecies and politics exactly according to your teachings. Praise His Name so far apart, but the same Word. Pray for you brother!!!!

          • Bro. Nick

            Marius van Niekerk – Yours is a clear, and very welcome example of the Wondrous Grace of “the Lord God Almighty” unto those few that have “an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear” “the certainty of the words of truth”!

            “So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth:
            it shall not return unto me void,
            but it shall accomplish that which I please,
            and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.”
            (Isaiah 55:11 ~ KJB)
            .

    • Danny

      Good nudge. While I do share these realities, I must confess I feel like I am witnessing to stones. Gotta persevere and keep up the good fight however futile it feels. I also have to be honest and remember that I was a ‘stone’ before the HS quickened my spirit through the bold witness of believers. Thanks for your ministry, Geoffrey.

    • Dan

      Jimmy do you really believe GOD would torture his creation in such a place?

      Why not just blot you out of existence? I mean GOD if he so chooses could simply will you into never existing.

      But you would rather believe in a Creator that would torture someone for an eternity or better yet allow someone to be tortured for an eternity.

      And if this is so then shouldn’t we be torturing at least our murders ?

      I mean for what reason would someone who loves us do such a thing ?

      Oh I know already that you’re going to tell me that Jesus spoke of hell but did he? And in doing so do you really believe that he said GOD loves you but watch out because GOD’s got a nasty temper? So if this is true then what would I have to do wrong to sentence me to eternity in agony and pain?

      I mean I’ve been a Christian from birth and baptized but would GOD condemn me to burn in agony for eternity if I’m one of those as ole Nick likes to often say (if you’re truly a christian ) then if I’m not although I’ve professed my love for GOD ; I would still burn in eternal agony (PLEASE)!

      This doesn’t make sense and shouldn’t

      Sorry, Bro Jimmy but I don’t believe it and with all due respect neither should and educated man like you.

      You’d have an easier time arguing about what the serpent was in Genesis.

      • @Dan You make the demonic mistake of thinking God is like mankind. God is HOLY. Man is corrupt and sinful. You wouldn’t sentence two people to capital punishment for stealing fruit off a tree would you Dan? You probably wouldn’t, but GOD DID. God did that on earth, don’t tell me what you think God would or would not do in eternity.

        Worldly education and man’s corrupt reasoning won’t talk me out of believing God’s infallible words. You shouldn’t either.

        • Char

          Jimmy, good article that clears up the misconception of burning in hell. I watched a you tube of Doug Batchelor, a pretty well known 7th Day Adventist minister, and he says that we will be nonexistent and he kind of chuckled and said “can you imagine burning forever?” He said “fire eventually burns out like it did in Sodom and Gomorrah”. I disagreed with him and many people sent nasty comments to me saying that he’s right, so they must all be 7th Day Adventist. Well, one way they’ll find out. They better be wearing their fireproof outfits when they breathe their last breath. God Bless!

          • James

            I think its funny that people could read this article, agree with it then make a joke about how funny it will be to see 7th day adventists/athiests in hell. “They better be wearing their fireproof outfits when they breathe their last breath”…
            God wants noone in hell. Christians preach that they want noone in hell, then laugh at the thought of everyone getting what they deserve. Its funny. Why do people who believe this stuff say such horrible things after. Makes me feel like christians dont believe what they say. That they want to see people in hell. Its a depressing world, and a depressing afterlife if that is who is going to be in heaven. God bless* 🙂
            *the use of god bless is to say that my horrible words are blessed by god. My words are now his words.*
            Good thing we have god blessing these posts.

            • John

              @james It is funny how that works. And I understand that you feel that christians are hypocrits. But you need to understand that it is real. And people are going to hell. You seem to fail to grasp that concept. You seem more focused on christians not doing what they claim to do. Also that post at the end is pretty blasphemous.

            • Susan Johnson

              …”then laugh at the thought of everyone getting what
              they deserve”.

              DO NOT lump all of us Christians together as vengeful mockers,
              who take delight in those who end up in Hell.

              We do not speak like this, neither do we laugh and mock
              those who are unfortunate enough to end up in the Lake of
              Fire. There is sorrow and hurt for those who end up there.

              ….”and a depressing afterlife if that is who is going to be in Heaven”.

              That is NOT who is going to be in Heaven! When you die and enter Heaven, if that is your final destination, then
              you will be new…renewed in body and mind. There will be
              no disease, no disability, no mental illness, no hatred,
              no mockery, no prejudice. The saints will be rejoicing
              in their Heavenly home. Please–search the Scriptures!!

              And, as always…The Truth Shall Set You Free…

            • Terri

              Some of the torture and pain will be not only the fires of damnation BUT the fact that deep down even though they believed in God they refused to take the gift his son offered to men not just a few. In hell you will have eternal separation from God, right now there is not that separation or it cannot be felt. It astounds me how many people refuse a gift that is freely given. Most seem to reject it cause of the things they have to give up but if you joyously ask God into your heart you will gladly give those things up. God’s hates the sin of pride more than all others. That is what Lucifer had and ALL people who refuse to accept the Gift of Jesus Christ dying for us will usually have something to do with having to give something up OR i am not going to let anyone tell me what to do. Tell you what (or whoever believes this) write a letter and let us know how that is working for you.

          • Gary

            Hi Char,
            There is an interesting book on this topic called ‘The Fire That Consumes’ by Edward William Fudge. I think you would find it very interesting. Maranatha!

        • Jo

          Hello Jimmy
          You tell the truth, the people they think might explain God what he said or what he means. It does not fit into their idea of love. God is a loving God but also a punitive God. People do not want to admit this, God is supposed to be as they imagine it. There are stupid people, with a very huge ego.

          God bless you, from Germany. Jo

        • Krista

          can I contact you through facebook or something else? mail?

        • Julia

          Yo Jimmy you know that trying to scare atheists with the bible does nothing, right? We don’t believe in it? lol

        • Emery

          Jehovah sentenced NO ONE to death for stealing fruit Jimmy. That’s just stupid to say that. God picked a tree, and told Adam not to touch it, to test his loyalty and test if he would obey God. If they obeyed, they would be alive right now in perfect health. They disobeyed, and we all inherited sin and death from them. If God executed them, we wouldn’t exist. Satan challenged God’s right to rule the universe, and then subsequently challenged that man would not love and worship God without getting something in exchange for it. You’re not doing much to prove Satan a liar, by making such posts.

          What God would do in “eternity” as you call it, is pretty much laid out in the inspired word of God. If you need a copy, let me know. I’m CERTAIN you know where to find one.

      • Kristen

        God doesn’t send anyone to Hell. People send themselves by rejecting His salvation. Hell was not created for man at all. It was created for Satan and his minions. But by rejecting God, you choose Satan and his fate.
        You cannot be a Christian from birth. You can only be born to a Christian family. Salvation is not hereditary. You must make the decision for yourself when you are old enough to understand. God judges you by your sin or faith alone. No one elses.
        If you deny Hell, you deny God and the Bible. That is your right, but don’t claim to be a Christian. You are not one.

        • Dan

          Listen to you Kristen ..

          What I understand may not be what you think hell is but telling me I’m not a Christian is wrong.

          Your one of those who go around telling other professing believers of Jesus they’re not Christian because they don’t believe something as vague as hell or better yet didn’t Paul warn us about taking into consideration the insight of another believer so to not hurt their faith because we’re not all walking and some of us are crawling.

          You see; Kristen I have and that’s why I’m not going to be too rough on you. But, Try to understand before you condemn next time.

          If you deny Hell, you deny God and the Bible. That is your right, but don’t claim to be a Christian. You are not one.

          Really ? Shame on you.

          • Dan, listen to yourself:

            A true follower of Christ is one who loves Him. John 14:15 reveals what that looks like: one who obeys His commandments. Which ones? All of them! None of us do this perfectly. So we all desperately need God’s grace to give us the power of His Holy Spirit to do that which it is impossible to do on our own power. Yet only those who are of the truth truly hear His voice, as He states quite clearly to Pilate at John 18:37. Conversely, those who play fast and loose with the truth, are of the lie and serve that father of lies, the devil, whether they care to admit it or not. Such people are self-deceived if they believe themselves to be born again Christians. They are Christians in name only and thus are deceived.

            When you assert that the concept of hell (or the burning lake of fire and brimstone) is some vague notion after reading Luke 16:19-31 about the rich man and Lazarus, or after reading Matthew 10:28, you are being quite disingenuous and dishonest. We all are born heading for hell and separated from a right relationship with God at birth. Jesus is the only way out and it’s not just through head knowledge alone. It is only manifested by a fully submitted life and spirit to Jesus in all things. If you selectively choose to dismiss the very words of Jesus himself, you’re self-deceived and not saved no matter what you want to believe. Truth is quite easy to discern. And you don’t have it. Not even close.

            Kristen happens to be right. You owe her an apology.

            • Dan

              Watchman, I think you’re wrong and you owe me an apology.

              I can see a once saved always saved discussion coming back.

              We did this for a month and it never went anywhere.

            • Mel

              I am saddened with your exchange of (hurting) words. Is it really that hard to say uplifting words and encourage one another? Satan is the enemy…not anyone of us! Let us share the Word of God and the salvation through Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour, but if someone chooses not to accept it, it is his/her choice. We cannot force anyone. But we should also condemn no one.

            • Dan

              Mel , friend this was debated well through last month yet you feel a desire to chastise me for condemning people. Please read all of my post’s. You’ll see I too do not believe in condemning other Christians. But even in doing that I don’t want to rehash this subject.

              Blessings

            • Skywatcher

              WOW, that was exactly right! Without the Holy Spirit living w/in, it is impossible for “wanna-be’s” to begin to comprehend what many are saying here.

              Jesus said, “By their fruit you will know them.” If one is living according to a false doctrine or teaching, they’re as easy to see as a hole in a donut! They are deceived.

              Keep up the good work. Someone reading these comments will eventually clue in and receive the free gift of salvation.

            • Bro. Nick

              Watchman on the Wall – I publicly retract my erroneous comment of support to you about being a ‘Biblical Watchman on the Wall’
              – I was WRONG
              – for you despise and hate modern day “ISRAEL” and the “JEWS”
              ~ but “JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS” is my personal “Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ”
              .

          • Simon

            You go on take a bite from that tree of knowledge, O Dan. But the Bible is God’s Truth. Amen.

        • concerned

          Absolutely correct and well said

        • concerned

          Kristen, A more appropriate word to name people in Christ is “Sons of God” and not Christian. The word Christian was given to the early church in Acts as the poeople tried to identify those in Christ.

          God is our FATHER. To which of the angels did he say, You are my son. I have begotten you”

          God calls us sons (neither male or female) Gal 3

          • Shawn

            This reply is to Dan and concerned and all the rest not listening to jimmy and others. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 7:21 Plus unless you have asked Jesus to forgive you and asked him to wash away your sins with his blood, you will end up in hell. He is the Way the Truth and the Life no one comes unto the Father except through Him. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. John 3:17
            Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man’s foes [shall be] they of his own household. Matthew 10:32-36 I could go on, the saved will understand the point. The lost well they will still be lost.

            • Dan

              Shawn the gift you receive does GOD’s will daily and pleases him.
              Nothing you do satisfies GOD in the way that your meaning.

              But, if you can understand the seed in you which cannot sin and understand this deeply; then I believe you will be on the right track.

          • Simon

            And what’s the difference?! Whether refered to as a Christian or child of God or follower of Jesus Christ? Where’s the difference?

        • Susan Johnson

          ….”You can only be born to a Christian family”.

          You are saying that only people who are born into Christian
          families are Christians?

          NOT TRUE. There are many who have not been born into Christian
          households, who have come to Christ and been Saved as teens and
          adults. That is why Evangelism and the distribution of The Holy
          Bible are so important, even crucial, in these End Times.

        • Bro. Nick

          Kristen – Thank you and ‘Watchmen on the Wall’ for giving Biblically sound advice – however it must be remembered that – according to “the truth” of “the word of the LORD” – there are always only the few in number, “the remnant” that are ever truly “converted” believers and followers of “our Lord Jesus and Saviour Christ” – ‘Biblical CHRISTians’
          ~ and only they have “an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear” –
          – which is even more true in these ‘end-of-the-end times’ of incredible danger of rapidly increasing ‘spiritual confusion – deception – delusion – and falling away from “the truth” of “the word of the LORD” that we are living in – TODAY

          For those ‘Biblical CHRISTians’ that are called to be a ‘Watchman on the Wall’ ~ we use “the word of the LORD” to fulfill that which has been written
          ~ we are to warn those that question “the truth” of “the word of the LORD”
          ~ and tell those who do not realize that we are living in the Biblically Prophesied ‘end times’

          We need to keep praying for the lost – BUT ~ We also need to ‘move on’ and tell “the truth” to those “few in number” who will listen.
          While the following was written to “the house of Israel” ~ it has application to ‘Biblical CHRISTians’ in these ‘end times’:
          [7] ¶ So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel;
          therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.
          [8] When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die;
          if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity;
          but his blood will I require at thine hand.
          [9] Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it;
          if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity;
          but thou hast delivered thy soul.”
          (Ezekiel, Chapter 33, KJB)
          .

          • Skywatcher

            Be very careful, Bro. Nick! Some of the people you’re crediting with “sound advice” is not that biblically sound…

            Erroneous doctrine is very subtle and sometimes very discreet! Just because two or three agree together, doesn’t make one accurate viewpoint. I just picked WOW up on an issue a few minutes ago… just sayin’. 🙂

            • Bro. Nick

              Skywatcher – Thank you very much for the ‘heads up’ – for I based my response only upon these comments.

              I need to follow the advise that I give others – that ALL who are truly “born again” believers and followers of “our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ” must learn – and remember – and most seriously think about – and apply that which C.H. Spurgeon wrote over 100 years ago –

              DISCERNMENT is not knowing the difference between right and wrong.
              It is knowing the difference between RIGHT
              – and ALMOST right.
              .

          • Bro. Nick

            Watchman on the Wall – I publicly retract my erroneous comment of support to you about being a ‘Biblical Watchman on the Wall’
            – I was WRONG
            – for you despise and hate modern day “ISRAEL” and the “JEWS”
            ~ but “JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS” is my personal “Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ”
            .

      • mike watchinski

        Dan,

        Please receive this in the spirit it is intended.

        1. No person is “a christian from birth.”

        “Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me” (Psalms 51:5)

        2. Baptism does not save a person.

        “For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: …”
        (1 Corinthians 1:17)

        3.I am not questioning your love for God, but I will ask you “why” do you love God?

        “We love him, because he first loved us” (1 John 4:19)

        Dan, please understand these two facts;

        1. You will never be (truly):) saved until you realize that you are lost.

        2. You will never (truly) 🙂 love God until you realize how lost you were

        Jesus gave himself on the cross for your sin debt you owe to the Holy God that brought you into this world. He calls you to repentance and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ that your sins may be forgiven and you will then be a child of God. Any other “way” is false and will only land you in the hell of this article.

        Looking…

        • Dan

          Mike, I thought it was getting quite boring around here so I thought I’d kick up the dirt a little. NTEB posts were virtually non existent all last week; so anyway.

          Forgive me for saying I was born Christian you see because with GOD I’ve always been his. He knew me before I was created and he sees me after my change and at the end of eternity if he so chose there to be one.
          Surely you guys already know this about yourselves.
          But, to all you who need me to literally say it. I’ve loved GOD my entire life; even before I could speak. Yes I believe I loved him for as long as I remember. GOD loves me more than a father loves a son or a Creator loves his creation. After all aren’t we all first created to exist here on earth ? Of course we are. What GOD did on the cross so many don’t understand but I do. We belong to him like a child belongs to a father or mother.

          Either way I know what I know whether you understand it or not. It’s ok.

          • “NTEB posts were virtually non existent all last week”? Hmmm, we post on average 5 times a day every day, as we have done for the last 6 years. Including last week. Nice try.

            • Dan

              Not your posts Geoff ; I was talking about people posting. It was down last week. Besides I was saying it tongue in cheek anyway.

          • mike watchinski

            Dan,
            The bottom line is… do you KNOW that you are saved? Biblical Christianity and faith is the only faith/religion in the whole world in which the believers can and do know with absolute assurance that they are “truly saved”.

            “The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God.” (Romans 8:16)

            How do I know that I am “truly saved”? God has told me! How about you?

            Looking…

            • Dan

              Mike you are right in that we know because the spirit assures us of this.

              Don’t get me wrong I love the bible for what it is but I rely on the holy spirit to guide me and correct me if needed.

              GOD knows my intention was to get people to think about this article. The concept of GOD’s punishment (HAS) to be just and right because we are talking about GOD. Anyone that cannot get past the fire and brimstone concept of hell should continue to enjoy their milk.

          • Dan,

            What does it mean to you to LOVE God? That you experience some warm fuzzy feeling, perhaps? God defines what loving Him looks like and He spells it out quite clearly in His pure and inspired words of His Bible. True love for God requires that we submit and surrender our entire lives and wills to the perfect will of Jesus for our lives. Jesus is 100% truthful. For you to fully love Him is to obey His every commandment and to believe Him: to take His word for that which He claims is absolute, universal, objective truth.

            What you think you understand about God and about Christ is not informed fully by the entirety of God’s word, the Bible. Many people play fast and loose with these truths and they remain lost and deceived. God simply does not love everybody just because He created all of us. Romans 9:11-23 spells this out quite clearly. No amount of denial of the obvious on your part is going to change this objective reality of who God is.

            What you think you know is contradicted by God’s word. Simple logical reasoning from the law of contradiction proves that you are dead wrong. Because God never is.

            • Krista

              I agree with you. I’ve felt the TRUE love of God since He took me to heaven once and I felt Him yesterday when I was asleep and thought I was awake.

              in the heaven it was so bright. I could not see anything but light and I felt really really good. my whole body and I felt x10 more love towards God than on earth and my mind was peaceful and pure. No any thoughts

              and when I was sleeping the other day I thought I was awake because I left my room lights on and I saw it when I was sleeping and it was so realistic. I felt like someone was right next to me. close to me and a lot of love. when I woke up I thought it was my dad who I felt was there because he was in another room and I woke up because of him. But now I’m starting to think it was Jesus.

              THIS IS ALL MY OWN EXPERIENCE AND I’VE SEEN FEW VISIONS TOO AND MANY DREAMS ABOUT JESUS AND FROM JESUS.

          • Bro. Nick

            Dan – You said about salvation – ‘Surely you guys already know this about yourselves.’
            I do not – for I DID NOT become a truly Biblically “born again” believer and follower of my personal “Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ” until I was nearly 56 years old – many-many years after spending 3+ years in Vietnam / 12+ years active duty military / 25+ years as a pilot for the US Army / and also surviving critical open heart surgery.
            There are many times that I know of that I should have been killed – and how many more that I do not know of?
            I now “know the certainty of the words of truth” – that there is literal eternal damnation for ALL who knowingly reject “the free gift” of Biblical Salvation:
            [7] For there are three that bear record in heaven,
            the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:
            and these three are one.
            [8] And there are three that bear witness in earth,
            the Spirit, and the water, and the blood:
            and these three agree in one.
            [9] If we receive the witness of men,
            the witness of God is greater:
            for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. [10] He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself:
            he that believeth not God hath made him a liar;
            because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
            [11] And this is the record,
            that God hath given to us eternal life,
            and this life is in his Son.
            [12] He that hath the Son hath life;
            and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
            (1 John, Chapter 5 ~ KJB)

            My personal choice is to believe the entire “word of the Lord” “BY FAITH” – whether I understand it or not – and do as King David did some 3,000 years ago:
            [1] I will praise thee with my whole heart:
            before the gods will I sing praise unto thee.
            [2] I will worship toward thy holy temple,
            and praise thy name FOR THY LOVINGKINDNESS and FOR THY TRUTH:
            FOR THOU HAST MAGNIFIED THY WORD ABOVE ALL THY NAME.
            (Psalm 138 ~ KJB)
            .

      • It’s entirely our choice…not his

        • Actually, it’s BOTH. For man to believe he has the power to thwart the sovereign will of an almighty and sovereign God reveals a total ignorance of the full nature and power of YHWH (God) as the Bible clearly reveals to anyone paying the remotest attention to it.

          God chose who would be His elect and who would not since before the world began. The names of the elect are written in the Lamb’s book of life, referred to in Revelation 20:15. The elect will become God’s born again adopted sons and daughters at some time during our lifetimes. The non-elect never will. The bad news of the gospel is that ALL of humanity is born sinful, selfish, depraved, separated from a right relationship with God and heading for hell when we die at birth. This is the default position for all of us. We are all totally screwed and heading for hell at birth. Let that truth sink in for awhile. It means we ALL desperately need a Savior.

          The choices each of us make in life are ordained by God in the characters He made in each of us as separate and distinct individuals. Nothing surprises God. He knows beforehand every response we will give to every thought, person and circumstance He orchestrates in our lives from birth to death, as revealed by five verses in Proverbs 16 -21. So in the end, God is the first cause of each and every one of our choices. Man just isn’t that special. But God sure is!

          • kiwiwatcher

            oh

            Isaiah 45:4
            “For Jacob my servant’s sake, and ISRAEL MINE ELECT, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.”

            • Yes indeed. Now let us be sure to properly define “Israel mine elect” in this passage and elsewhere so that others do not falsely conclude that this refers to the rogue terrorist state of modern day Israel, the Khazar Talmudic farce of monumental proportions.

              Much of the Bible employs allegory, metaphor and symbolism, along with parables to communicate God’s truths to God’s elect, while leaving the non-elect reading these same words in the dark. The book of Hebrews makes it quite clear who Israel of the Bible is referring to. It is NOT the referring to the Khazar impostors posing as Jews of today who Yahushua identified as the synagogue of Satan in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9. Nor is it the descendants of white Europeans, who are genetically and demographically the true descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and the 12 Hebrew tribes of the Bible.

              Instead, the Israel referred to in this passage and elsewhere in the Bible foreshadows and thus points to spiritual Israel, which are all true born again (and thus elect) followers of Yahushua (Christ) as evidenced by our faith in Christ which Abraham demonstrated in His faith (trust) in God. If we have Abrahams’s faith, then we are his spiritual seed to whom the promises of Genesis 12:3 were given by God. The nation of Israel of the Old Testament was called by God as His own special nation as a foreshadowing of God’s election of individuals of various races and ethnicities, since before the world began after Christ’s first coming. God’s choosing of people who are His chosen ones is not dictated by any personal attributes of the chosen, nor is it earned. It is a gift of grace, so that no man may boast.

              So much for the Khazar impostors posing as Jews who falsely claim that they are God’s chosen people. Nothing could be further from the truth! They, by the admission of some of their own leaders, are the chosen people of God’s arch-enemy, Lucifer, a.k.a. the devil:

              “We Jews do not like to admit it, but our God is Lucifer. We are his chosen people.” — Harold Rosenthal from “The Hidden Tyranny (1976)

              In other words, the impostors posing as Jews of today are the synagogue of Satan of Revelation 2:9 and 3:9, the first beast of Revelation 13, and the Antichrist of these end times. Let the wise understand. The wicked never will. Daniel 12:10 assures us of this.

            • Bro. Nick

              Watchman on the Wall – I publicly retract my previous erroneous comment of support to you about being a ‘Biblical Watchman on the Wall’ – I was WRONG
              – for you despise and hate modern day “ISRAEL” and the “JEWS”
              ~ but “JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS” is my personal “Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ”

              Have you ever thought – that since the ‘god’ you believe and follow cannot keep his ‘everlasting covenant’ with “Israel” – why should he keep any of his promises to you?

              My personal choice is to believe “the certainty of the words of truth” as they are inspired by “the Lord God of Israel” who said about “A THOUSAND GENERATIONS” and “AN EVERLASTING COVENANT” is also written:
              “Give thanks unto the LORD, call upon his name, make known his deeds among the people.
              Sing unto him, sing psalms unto him, talk ye of all his wondrous works.
              Glory ye in his holy name: let the heart of them rejoice that seek the LORD.
              Seek the LORD and his strength, seek his face continually.
              Remember his marvellous works that he hath done, his wonders, and the judgments of his mouth;
              O ye seed of Israel his servant, ye children of Jacob, his chosen ones.
              He is the LORD our God; his judgments are in all the earth.
              Be ye mindful always of HIS COVENANT;
              the word which he commanded to A THOUSAND GENERATIONS;
              Even of THE COVENANT which he made with Abraham,
              and of HIS OATH unto Isaac;
              And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law,
              AND TO ISRAEL FOR AN EVERLASTING COVENANT,
              Saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance;”
              (I Chronronicles 16:8-18, KJB)
              .

        • Bro. Nick

          Timothy – My Biblical understanding is that you are absolutely correct
          – that ALL are “chosen”
          ~ AND just because “the Lord God Almighty” has always known what the choice each and every person will be – for we are ‘free will agents’ – NOT ‘automatons’ – this DOES NOT MEAN that “the only wise God” ‘orchestrate our lives from birth to death’
          – every person has the option of accepting “the free gift” of Biblical Salvation – to be Biblically “born again”:
          [16] ¶ For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,
          that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
          [17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world;
          but that the world through him might be saved.
          (John, Chapter 3, KJB)

          “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness;
          but is longsuffering to us-ward,
          not willing that any should perish,
          but that all should come to repentance.”
          (2 Peter 3:9, KJB)

          – BUT “the LORD JEHOVAH” has always known that there are only a few persons that will accept Salvation ‘by Grace alone, through Faith alone’ (Ephesians 2:8-10, KJB)
          ~ “For many are called, but few are chosen.”
          (Matthew 22:14, KJB)

          Romans, Chapter 5, KJV:
          [12] Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin;
          and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
          [13] (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
          [14] Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses,
          even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
          [15] But not as the offence, so also is THE FREE GIFT.
          For if through the offence of one many be dead,
          much more the grace of God, and THE GIFT BY GRACE,
          which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
          [16] And not as it was by one that sinned, so is THE GIFT:
          for the judgment was by one to condemnation,
          but THE FREE GIFT is of many offences unto JUSTIFICATION.
          [17] For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one;
          much more they which receive abundance of grace and of THE GIFT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
          [18] Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation;
          even so by the righteousness of one THE FREE GIFT came upon all men unto JUSTIFICATION OF LIFE.
          [19] For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners,
          so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
          [20] Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound.
          But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
          [21] That as sin hath reigned unto death,
          even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
          .

      • Greg Hampton

        “I mean I’ve been a Christian from birth and baptized but would GOD condemn me to burn in agony for eternity if I’m one of those as ole Nick likes to often say (if you’re truly a christian ) then if I’m not although I’ve professed my love for GOD ; I would still burn in eternal agony (PLEASE)”

        You are not born a Christian, you are born a sinner, and unless you repent of your sin and confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior you are not saved. Baptism doesn’t save you, it is a step of obedience after salvation…otherwise Christ died on the cross for nothing if all we had to do is be baptised to be saved.

        I do not know what your relationship is with the Lord, so I would not presume to know if He knows you or not, this I’ve no idea what your destination for eternity is. But Scripture is crystal clear on the matter….there is Heaven and there is Hell…we go to one or the other forever…there is no middle ground or grey area. Who goes to hell? Those who refuse to acknowledge Jesus Christ and worship only Him as their Lord and Savior. Who goes to Heaven? everyone who takes the narrow gate and the narrow way and through faith confesses Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior with a sincere repentant heart.

        You try to justify God’s Holy Justice with the reasoning of man…His ways are not our ways, His thoughts are not our thoughts….you can’t take man’s tiny little mind and comprehend God other than what His word tells us about Him….if He says the unredeemed will be cast in to the Lake of fire for all eternity that is exactly what will happen….we have but one life to make the right choice….

      • Concerned

        I think God would have to repent for destroying Sodom and Gemorrah, and killing the people during Noah’s flood if he will just allow the good and the bad to have the same rewards. 2 Cor 5:9 says each man is judged for good and bad works.

        Hell is real and was never created for man. However through sin and disobedience man can head right there

      • Dan, you make a big mistake trying to spiritualize what God says about Hell & about Judgment sir! you may have grown up “religious” and mistaken that water over your head at your baptism for salavation. But what greater lie for people in Hell today, than the false sense of security cause they were water baptized as a baby! God commands ALL men to repent. And I don’t think as a baby, you realize had any concept about that did you? your challenging the word of God by saying you don’t believe God will punish sinners, shows you have little regard for his precious word of Truth. Jesus spoke of Judgment more than any other subject. why? Cause he didn’t want anyone going there! And what kind of a Holy God would we serve if he just winked at sin? Look at all the Brutal dictators who killed millions? and then shot themselves. Do you think a Holy God will not make them accountable for every soul they took? God’s Holiness demands Justice or he would not be a Holy God, who just gives evil men a free pass. But his amazing Love & grace gives everyone who trust him & turns from their Sin>A free pass through his Son Jesus, who died for us. Be careful misinterpreting something you really don’t understand Dan?? And scripture says, to examine yourself to see if you truly are in the Faith?? Read his word & examine your ways against his??

      • MRH

        Dan says:
        October 19, 2015 at 1:04 pm
        Jimmy do you really believe GOD would torture his creation in such a place?

        Why not just blot you out of existence? I mean GOD if he so chooses could simply will you into never existing.

        But you would rather believe in a Creator that would torture someone for an eternity or better yet allow someone to be tortured for an eternity.

        And if this is so then shouldn’t we be torturing at least our murders ?

        I mean for what reason would someone who loves us do such a thing ?

        Oh I know already that you’re going to tell me that Jesus spoke of hell but did he? And in doing so do you really believe that he said GOD loves you but watch out because GOD’s got a nasty temper? So if this is true then what would I have to do wrong to sentence me to eternity in agony and pain?

        I mean I’ve been a Christian from birth and baptized but would GOD condemn me to burn in agony for eternity if I’m one of those as ole Nick likes to often say (if you’re truly a christian ) then if I’m not although I’ve professed my love for GOD ; I would still burn in eternal agony (PLEASE)!

        This doesn’t make sense and shouldn’t

        Sorry, Bro Jimmy but I don’t believe it and with all due respect neither should and educated man like you.

        You’d have an easier time arguing about what the serpent was in Genesis.

        @Dan: Brother, you go against the grain on this controversial topic (as do I), and so expect persecution 🙁

        By the call of many here and abroad, we both are ‘hell’ bound, as we both are sinners. By the bible all sinners are damned (cursed), except they repent unto gospel message of salvation. But do unrepentant sinners burn in ‘hell’ forever? Anyway, see my comment below, as contains biblical proof unto elusive ‘hell’ matters 🙂

        http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=36464#comment-1325187

        P.S. We obviously don’t see eye to eye on all biblical or conspiracy matters, but how many folk do? 😉

        • Dan

          Yes Bro Mark we don’t have to see eye to eye on everything but the (ONE) thing we do believe in is Jesus the Christ. That’s all that matters to me.

          The issue of hell is debateable and doesn’t affect my salvation.

          The idea that people here get all lathered up over this cracks me up.

          But, still I understand it. It would be nice if Christians would channel some of that anger towards our country’s government.

          • If the “issue of Hell is debatable” as you suggest, then the issues of eternal security, salvation in Jesus Christ and Heaven are all “debatable” as well. This is the “gospel” of the Laodicean church, they debate everything until nothing is believed.

            • Dan

              Yes Geoff as I recall we beat the issue of salvation by grace alone to death here.

              I don’t want to go over that again. But , Geoff I’m not threatened by your belief of hell.

              It’s my feeling we don’t understand many things about GOD.

              The difference is with you you’d condemn someone who professes a belief in Jesus over a belief in a place called hell.

              I would expect more from you bro.

          • It would be nice if those professing themselves to be Christians would channel some of their convictions into getting to know the God of the Bible as He truly is. If 99% of those professing themselves to be Christians read the Bible with objective honesty and integrity, they would discover that they know very little of who God and Christ are and that in fact, they do not know Jesus, nor does He know them. As such, the warning of Matthew 7:23 applies to them.

            • Bro. Nick

              Watchman on the Wall – You deny that the promise to Abraham in Genesis 12:1-3 is literal
              – that it actually is a promise to ‘spiritual Israel’ – of which you are a member:
              “Now the LORD had said unto Abram,
              Get thee out of thy country,
              and from thy kindred,
              and from thy father’s house,
              unto a land that I will shew thee:
              And I will make of thee a great nation,
              and I will bless thee,
              and make thy name great;
              and thou shalt be a blessing:
              And I will bless them that bless thee,
              and curse him that curseth thee:
              and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.”

              – that you are one of ‘the elect’ of Calvanism – so Matthew 7:23 only ‘applies to them’
              ~ that which “JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS” ~ “the Lord Jesus Christ” personally said:
              [21] ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;
              but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
              [22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord,
              have we not prophesied in thy name?
              and in thy name have cast out devils?
              and in thy name done many wonderful works?
              [23] And then will I profess unto them,
              I never knew you:
              depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

              My personal choice is to make sure that my Salvation is Biblically Sound and True – in accordance with which the Jewish Apostle “our beloved brother Paul” wrote:
              [12] Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed,
              not as in my presence only,
              but now much more in my absence,
              ~ WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING.
              [13] For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
              [14] Do all things without murmurings and disputings:
              [15] That ye may be blameless and harmless,
              the sons of God, without rebuke,
              in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation,
              among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
              [16] Holding forth the word of life;
              that I may rejoice in the day of Christ,
              that I have not run in vain,
              neither laboured in vain.
              (Philippians, Chapter 2, KJB)

              – CAPITALization and emphasis of “the scripture of truth”, “the word of the Lord” is mine – Bro. Nick

          • MRH

            The issue of hell is debateable and doesn’t affect my salvation.

            @Dan: We all go to ‘hell’ temporarily, even Jesus did, but some folk return there permanently. And there is no escape from the pit, as the dead can’t function period. In fact even when we sleep at night we have no control over our body and mind. Our dreams separate us from reality 😉

            Psa 6:5 KJV – For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?

            2Sa 22:6 KJV – The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me;

            Lexicon :: Strong’s H7585 – shĕ’owl (hell) = sheol, underworld, grave, hell, pit – place of no return

            The KJV translates Strongs H7585 in the following manner: grave (31x), hell (31x), pit (3x).

            Notice the 3 OT usages of ‘hell’?

            Mat 23:33 KJV -Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

            Lexicon :: Strong’s G1067 – geenna (hell) = Hell is the place of the future punishment called “Gehenna” or “Gehenna of fire”. This was originally the valley of Hinnom, south of Jerusalem, where the filth and dead animals of the city were cast out and burned; a fit symbol of the wicked and their future destruction.

            P.S. The OT usage of hell is often poetic, whereas as the NT usage figurative. Similar but different writing styles 😉

      • Slamdunker

        Hi Dan,

        You may want to visit the account of the rich man and beggar in Luke 16:19-31

        • MRH

          Read the ‘account’ in context. It’s just another parable 😉

      • ConnieDr

        do you really believe GOD would torture his creation in such a place? Do you really want to take that chance in finding out Dan especially when you can know for sure where you’ll spend eternity?

        21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 7:21-23

        …2 this man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.” 3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?” 5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. John 3:2-5

        9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9

        Be ready Dan!

      • Vet

        Sad that you would pass up a chance to believe about Hell. I hope that you reconsider and give it more thought. I will pray for you and that you don’t make the mistake of taking into consideration all this article has on this subject. Don’t want you to go there; so you should know God really doesn’t want you or any of else to go either.

      • DAN….DO YOU THINK BEING PERFECT IS WHAT GETS YOU TO HEAVEN?…..NONE OF US CAN BE PERFECT….THE SALVATION COMES FROM ACCEPTING THAT CHRIST IS YOUR SAVIOR AND THAT HE DIED FOR YOUR SINS. BELIEVE? JUST ACCEPT HIS PURPOSE IN BECOMING A MAN TO SAVE US. GOD BLESS.

    • Ed

      I just saw your post on hell and have one question, please correct me if wrong. Thanks

      I know we are saved through what Christ did on the cross for all man kind but all the commandments hang on love,1st John:3:23, this is the commandment, that we should believe on the name of the name of his son Jesus Christ, and love one other, as he gave the commandment. This does not give us a license to sin either as the new testament say’s. If we have love for one another there is no need for law, for the law is for law breakers. The bible also say’s that the drunker, murders, thieves, fornicators ect will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. I am saved through faith in his blood and I think this is what people miss here there is NO works on your part for salvation. We are justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

      • Don’t forget that the first and greatest commandment that thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. (Matt 22:37 KJV)

        Man automatically breaks the law because we don’t love God with all our heart. If we did, we wouldn’t sin; but we do.

        The devil attempts to deceive Christians today by REVERSING those commandments to loving your neighbor first and loving God second. That’s how people stop believing in Hell, Judgement, and sin.

    • God intends and is not surprised when someone goes to hell. God is sovereign. He is all-powerful, all-knowing and knows the end from the beginning. Nothing happens outside of the sovereign will of an all-powerful, all mighty God. He chose some to become His born again spiritual sheep and adopted sons and daughters since before the world began and wrote their names in the Lamb’s book of life who He would one day bring to a saving knowledge of His son, Yahushua (Jesus). All others, by default, are God’s spiritual goats, the non-elect, who will end up in hell, the destination that we are all heading to when we are born. This is what God’s word SAYS. Many charlatan false teachers will tell you otherwise and their destruction will be swift and sure because of their teachings such hideous lies.

      The doctrine of election which I have just articulated here is very real. Few will endure sound doctrine in these final days of the end times, just as 2 Timothy 4:3-4 predicts. But make no mistake about it: hell is very real and torment in the lake of fire and brimstone is the eternal destination of most of mankind alive on the planet today. The solution is simple: confess and repent of your many sins now and submit and surrender your lives and your wills to Yahushua in full over all things now while there is still time remaining. In less than a year from now, that time will be over forever. We are living in the final year of the great tribulation foretold in Matthew 24 and Daniel 12 right now. The signs of this are evident to anyone with the spiritual discernment to see them for what they are. This is for real.

      • 2 Perter 3:9 KJV The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

        Unconditional election DEBUNKED

      • carrierwave

        “For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.” 1 Timothy 4:10

        Limited atonement, DEBUNKED

        • Limited atonement is one of the many wicked lies of calvinism. All the scriptures on the falsity of limited atonement are here:

          http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2015/05/19/limited-atonement-does-everyone-have-a-chance-to-be-saved/

          • Calvinism isn’t the issue. It never was. That’s part of the trickery and chicanery in which the followers of Arminius (Arminians) choose to engage in to confuse the naive, the gullible and the lazy into believing falsely that man’s mythical “free will” trumps YHWH’s sovereign will and the Biblical doctrine of election.

            God doesn’t love everyone. Romans 9:11-23 states this as plain as day. Moreover, Romans 9:16 specifically debunks the notion of man’s will trumping God’s. Ephesians 1:4-5 further solidifies the doctrine of election. Moreover, Arminianism falsely posits that man must choose God and Jesus to be saved, which amounts to a form of works-based salvation that comes straight from the demonic teachings of Roman Catholicism that turns the notion of the sovereignty of God on its head!. Thus the doctrine of salvation by grace alone articulated clearly in Ephesians 2:1 and 2:8-9 contradicts this fraud of the possibility of everyone being saved. Such a notion contradicts the words of God in their entirety.

            Arminianism is a demonic fraud widely taught in almost all forms of apostate organized religion today. It saves no one and misleads many.

            • Bro. Nick

              Watchman on the Wall – You use “subtil” words to try to ‘prove’ your personal beliefs in Calvanism
              -1- that it is not about Calvanism
              -2- that ‘God doesn’t love everyone
              -3- that “the Lord God Almighty” preselected only certain persons for salvation – including yourself of course

              In doing so, you reject the Biblical truth that there are no limiting conditions by “the only wise God” in the following from “the scripture of truth”
              ~ that the Apostle John wrote to “WHOSOEVER”:
              [14] ¶ And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
              [15] That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
              [16] ¶ For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
              [17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that THE WORLD through him might be saved.
              [18] ¶ HE THAT BELIEVETH on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
              [19] And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
              [20] For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
              [21] But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
              (John, Chapter 3, KJB)

              ~ OR that which “our beloved brother Paul” wrote about ‘saved by Grace alone through Faith alone’ – first to the Ephesians in Chapter 2:
              [8] For by BY GRACE ARE YE SAVED; and that not of yourselves: IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD:
              [9] Not of works, lest any man should boast.
              [10] For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

              ~ AND also to Titus in Chapter 2, KJV:
              [11] FOR THE GRACE OF GOD that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL MEN,
              [12] Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
              [13] Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
              [14] Who gave himself for US, that he might redeem US from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
              [15] These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

              ~ or in the Old Testament, when “the LORD God of Israel” said:
              [30] Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
              [31] ¶ Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
              [32] For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.
              (Ezekiel, Chapter 18, KJB) ~ also 1 Timothy 2:4-5 | 2 Peter 3:9, KJV
              .

        • Quoting a single Bible verse, out of the full context of the entirety of the Bible is a common trick and ploy that deceives many, but not this time. There’s more to the story:

          “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” Romans 10:9

          Conversely, if a man is not capable of and has not done such things, he is NOT saved and heading to hell. Christ paid the price for all, to be sure. But the doctrine of election makes it clear that only some people (the elect whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life) receive God’s Holy Spirit, hear the gospel preached, believe it and thus are saved.

          Christ’s full atonement, apart from genuine faith, saves no one.

      • Gabe

        Watchman, So when you wrote,”The solution is simple: confess and repent of your many sins now and submit and surrender your lives and your wills to Yahushua in full over all things now while there is still time remaining”, were you speaking to (pleading with) the “Elect”?

        Thanks and blessings.

        • i have only one thing to say about being saved and the cost and price of being saved and this is it… what price would you put on the death of GOD?? JESUS IS GOD yet he willingly died on that cross….. somthing that never had happened before… GOD…. DIED … FOR … US!!!!!!! Now that is what it took to make it possible for all of mankind to be saved, that paid for every sin that ever was committed and that ever will be committed no matter how long this world lasted and sin existed!!! So when someone dies without accepting the payment that JESUS paid for their sins, they die under the law and under the law.. they are guilty, and the wrath of god is poured out on them because don’t you remember that JESUS said that GOD has HIS CHILDREN AND SATAN HAS HIS CHILDREN, SO IN LOOKING AT IT IN THAT LIGHT,,, THESE PEOPLE ARE THE CHILDEN OF SATAN, AND THEY WILL BURN FOR ALL ETERNITY WITH THEIR FATHER SATAN!!!

        • Correct Gabe.

      • Watchman – how on earth do you get the idea that we are living in the Great Tribulation? Where are the three angels circling the earth proclaiming the Word of God? How about the two witnesses calling down fire from heaven? Seas and rivers of blood? Anyone who is teaching that true believers will live through the Great Tribulation, or that we are living through it right now – is a false prophet.

        And also – why do you refer to Jesus Christ as Yahushua? Do you speak Masoretic Hebrew? Or are you among those that believe that there is some sort of mystical power to be had through speaking a few Hebrew words here and there? We are not to be seeking after signs and wonders. Our sole responsibility while we are “working in the fields” is to worship Him, and witness about Him. That’s it!

        • Sage_brush, The evidence that we are living in the final year of the great tribulation of Matthew 24 and Daniel 12 is overwhelming and compelling, which I thoroughly document in my book, “Making Sense Out of a World Gone Mad: A Roadmap for God’s Elect Living in the Final Days of the End Times.”

          Anyone teaching that true believers will NOT go through the great tribulation are false prophets, as clearly revealed by the words of Matthew 24:15-31, which I also explain in my book. The pre-trib rapture notion is a hideous lie promoted by false teaching wishful thinkers totally unsupported by the words of Scripture. It has deceived many and is utterly wicked.

          Finally, I teach and use the names YHWH (pronounced Yahuwah) and Yahushua in place of God, Lord and Jesus because God desires a personal, direct and intimate relationship with each one of His born again adopted sons and daughters. God and Lord are titles only. They are not the name of God or Yahushua. These names appear in the original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts that have great delegated power and authority over the devil and demon spirits, but have been replaced by these distortions in their translations into English dating back to the 1611 KJV of the Bible. Jesus was not the name by which the son of God was referred to during His lifetime. The same name as that of Joshua, namely Yahushua, was how He was referred to during His lifetime and how He wishes to be known and referred to by His true followers today. Todd G. Bennett, in his book, “Names: The Father, the Son and the Importance of Names,” provides my ample sources for why I now teach this to others. It is quite clear that many agents of the evil one (the devil) have sought to distort and conceal the names of God and Jesus from most people in order to block our coming to have a saving knowledge of and love for them. I am seeking to undo some of that damage in my faithful teachings of the truth that few wish to hear.

          • Bro. Nick

            For those who may be tempted to read what ‘Watchman on the Wall’ writes and says of himself – ‘ I am seeking to undo some of that damage in my faithful teachings of the truth that few wish to hear’ –

            I personally reject
            -1- his denial of “the certainty of the words of truth” that are found complete in the Holy Bible ~ KJV
            -2- his emphasis on ‘the sacred names of God’
            -3- his denial of ‘the pre-tribulation Rapture’
            -4- that we are living in the final year of the “great tribulation” – which is an outright Satanically inspired LIE

            The Apostle Paul gave STRONG WARNING about end-times ‘spiritual confusions – delusions – deceptions – deliberate deceits – and lies:
            [10] Finally, my brethren,
            be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
            [11] Put on the whole armour of God,
            that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
            [12] For we wrestle not against flesh and blood,
            but against principalities,
            against powers,
            against the rulers of the darkness of this world,
            against spiritual wickedness in high places.
            [13] Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God,
            that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day,
            and having done all, to stand.
            [14] Stand therefore,
            having your loins girt about with truth,
            and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
            [15] And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
            [16] Above all, taking the shield of faith,
            wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
            [17] And take the helmet of salvation,
            and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
            [18] Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
            [19] And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
            [20] For which I am an ambassador in bonds:
            that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
            (Ephesians, Chapter 6, KJB) + 2 Corinthians 10:3-5 | James 4:7-8, KJV

            My strong recommendation to ALL of those who truly are “born again” by Grace through Faith believers and followers of “our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ” – we must ALL learn – and remember – and most seriously think about – and apply that which Pastor Charles H. Spurgeon wrote over 100 years ago –

            DISCERNMENT is not knowing the difference between right and wrong.
            It is knowing the difference between RIGHT
            – and ALMOST right.

            As it is written in “the word of the Lord” by “our beloved brother Paul in 2 Timothy, Chapter 2, KJV:
            [15] STUDY TO SHEW THYSELF APPROVED UNTO GOD,
            a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
            RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH.
            [16] BUT SHUN profane and vain babblings:
            for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

            [7] For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:
            and these three are one.
            [8] And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood:
            and these three agree in one.
            [9] If we receive the witness of men,
            THE WITNESS OF GOD IS GREATER:
            for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

            ~ CAPITALization of “the word of the Lord” from the Holy Bible, KJV is mine for emphasis – Bro. Nick

            • Heather

              Here we go again Bro Nick. This is just like the other day in what we encountered in the comments section of the article, “The Bible Believers to the time of Jacob’s trouble”. Except this one is even more extreme!

              It’s really getting way worse with all these many false prophets that have come into the world. They have infiltrated every crack and crevice. Yet the Lord Jesus tells us in His word that it will increase 100% in the time of Jacobs trouble. I believe we are VERY close!

              2 Corinthians 11 12-15 KJV
              12) But, what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire ocassion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
              13) For such are false prophets, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
              14) And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
              15) Therfore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as ministers of righteousness; WHOSE END SHALL BE ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS.

              This is a part of your calling my dear Brother Nick. Standing bold in the TRUTH of God’s Word. Against spiritual wickedness, against Satan’s minions, against false Watchmen on the wall, transforming themselves into ministers of righteousness.

              You mentioned you didn’t become born again until you were 56. The Lord God Almighty KNEW you would turn to Him alone since before you were born. He kept you as you were out on that battlefield, and now you are in a new kind kind of battlefield. Defending the truth of the word of God. For I see you as a defender. A defender of the Lord Jesus Christ. A defender of God’s chosen people the Jews. Israel. A defender of your brethren in the Lord Jesus Christ. If I see these things in you, Imagine what God sees!

              Bro Nick is the true definition of what it means to be a TRUE WATCHMAN ON THE WALL.

            • Heather

              Here is a link to the book Watchmen on the wall refers to. The author’s name is Christian Wedemeyer.

              http://www.amazon.com/Making-Sense-Out-World-Gone/dp/098609210X

              2 Peter 2:1-3 KJV

              2 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

              2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

              3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

            • Heather

              Public comments from this “minister of righteousness” so called Watchman on the wall, which BTW is against the pre tribulation rapture of the Church. Wake up to the agenda to those who try to over throw the faith of those of us who are feverently looking for that blessed hope, our Great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.
              Even so come quickly Lord Jesus!

              https://disqus.com/by/Watchman_on_the_Wall/

            • Nick, You seem to have a severe aversion to absolute, objective truth which you cover with a long recitation of Bible verses with little or no insight offered. Let’s just be honest here and properly characterize your post here a vain attempt at an ad hominem attack on your part directed at me because you are offended by my succinct summary of what the Bible, in its entirety, clearly teaches that reveals that we are in the last year of the great tribulation of God’s prophetic Biblical timeline.

              Objective truth is neither pride nor babbling. Your claiming otherwise doesn’t make it so. it just reveals your bitter and mean spirit that is anything but godly or righteous.

              If you are so convinced that only YOU are capable of rightly dividing the word of truth, let me pose a challenge to you. You claim to reject my denial of a pre-trib rapture. Then please go to Matthew 24:29 and 30 and explain to me the sequence of events as described in God’s word (KJV). Those words are crystal clear Nick. The events clearly will happen in this order: 1) the great tribulation ends, 2) the 4 celestial events of verse 29 occur, 3) the gathering or rapture occurs. Prove me wrong. Show me my error.

            • Bro. Nick

              Watchman on the Wall – YES – I do have a severe aversion to what you personally define as ‘absolute, objective truth’

              I continue to personally reject –
              -1- your denial of “the certainty of the words of truth” that are found complete in the Holy Bible ~ KJV
              -2- your emphasis on ‘the sacred names of God’
              –3- your denial and hatred of modern day “ISRAEL” and the “JEWS”
              -4- your belief that ‘God doesn’t love everyone
              -5- your belief that “the Lord God Almighty” preselected only certain persons for salvation – including yourself of course
              -6- your denial of ‘the pre-tribulation Rapture’
              -7- and that you say that we are living in the final year of the “great tribulation” – which is an outright Satanically inspired LIE
              ~ about the “great tribulation” it is written in “the word of the Lord” in Mark, Chapter 13 ~ KJV:
              [19] For in those days shall be affliction,
              such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time,
              neither shall be.
              [20] And except that the Lord had shortened those days,
              no flesh should be saved:
              but for the elect’s sake, whom he hath chosen,
              he hath shortened the days.

              Do you not believe “the certainty of the word of truth”:
              [12] For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword,
              piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit,
              and of the joints and marrow,
              and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. [13] Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight:
              but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

              It is written in “the word of the Lord” about you:
              [16] These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts;
              and their mouth speaketh great swelling words,
              having men’s persons in admiration because of advantage.
              [17] But, beloved,
              remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
              [18] How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time,
              who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
              [19] These be they who separate themselves,
              sensual, having not the Spirit.
              .

            • Bro. Nick

              Heather – My dear Sister in “Christ Jesus” – I really do so much appreciate your support. As you know I do not get it very often.

              You wrote about me – ‘Imagine what God sees!’
              I will use one the quotes by John Newton – ‘I remember two things very clearly. I’m a great sinner and Christ is a great Savior.’
              And about which “the Word” ~ “JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS” my personal “Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ” inspired to be written:
              “And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying,
              God be merciful to me a sinner.”
              (Luke 18:13, KJB)
              .

            • Bro. Nick

              Heather – Sister, I thank you for your effectual use of “the sword of the spirit” in your comments.
              You made the very valid comments about ‘here we go again’ and about it’s being even more extreme this time
              – I concur.

              My personal Biblical understanding is that things will probably get a lot more extreme because of more and ever-more ‘Christians’ succumbing to the constantly increasing exponential growth of ‘spiritual confusions, delusions, deceptions, and deliberate deceits’
              The next ‘step’ may well be physical violence and martyrdom’s right here in the ever increasingly evil, wicked, perverted, apostate, unborn baby murdering, sodomite loving, spiritually dark ‘Amerika’
              – as it is happening RIGHT NOW to our Christian Brothers and Sisters in 100+ countries around the world.
              AND we are clearly given the example of the WARNING about what is going to happen to “ISRAEL” in “the word of the Lord” in Matthew, Chapter 24:
              [8] All these are the beginning of sorrows.
              [9] Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted,
              and shall kill you:
              and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.
              [10] And then shall many be offended,
              and shall betray one another,
              and shall hate one another.
              [11] And many false prophets shall rise,
              and shall deceive many.
              [12] And because iniquity shall abound,
              the love of many shall wax cold.

              My personal desire is to continue walking with “the Lord Jesus Christ” “by faith” until ‘the pre-tribulation Rapture’ of “THE CHURCH”:
              “Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved,
              what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
              ~ LOOKING FOR AND HASTING UNTO THE COMING OF THE DAY OF GOD,
              wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved,
              and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
              (2 Peter 3:11-12, KJB)

              – CAPITALization and emphasis of “the word of the Lord” are mine – Bro. Nick

            • Heather

              Bro Nick, You mentioned;

              My personal Biblical understanding is that things will probably get a lot more extreme because of more and ever-more ‘Christians’ succumbing to the constantly increasing exponential growth of ‘spiritual confusions, delusions, deceptions, and deliberate deceits’

              I especially took note of the word, “succumbing.” It’s so true. Everything you wrote is truth. I imagine that in the near future, the Laocedian false Church arising against the true, born again believers in Jesus Christ Church. It’s already starting.
              Part of what you posted;
              Matthew 24 :10-13
              10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
              11 And many false prophets shall arise, and shall deceive many.
              12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

              I see this starting. But, honestly in reading this and it’s context, I have asked myself, “Where is the light? Where is the salt of the Church?” Doesn’t it seem missing?

              What you wrote at October 21 11:44 am about the Publican. That is so you! That right there is one of the many reasons that I have so much respect and love for you as my eldest Brother in Christ. I treasure you in Christ and He is doing a great work in you. I thank God for you my dear Brother, Bro Nick and I truly mean what I have said or else I wouldn’t have said it.
              God Bless You!

            • Bro. Nick

              Heather – Dear Sister, Your comment ‘Here we go again’ was just a bit of an understatement. I have never personally experienced anything as intense.

              You also mentioned – “Where is the light? Where is the salt of the Church?” Doesn’t it seem missing?
              – It is my understanding that the few truly “born again” believers are the vessels that “the certainty of the words of truth” will shine through
              – and we always need to remember that the darker it gets, the more that any light stands out.
              Satan is working very diligently to thwart the plans of “the LORD God” – BUT evil WILL NOT prevail:
              “And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God,
              to them who are the called according to his purpose.”
              (Romans 8:28, KJB)

              My desire is to follow the examples of our Brothers and Sisters in “Jesus Christ” who are undergoing such strong persecutions and tribulations for their faith in over 100 countries – RIGHT NOW
              – for they are truly trusting – and obeying – and standing against such Satanic evil physical and spiritual depravity and darkness that I have no comprehension of:
              “Finally, my brethren,
              BE STRONG IN THE LORD, AND IN THE POWER OF HIS MIGHT.
              Put on the whole armour of God,
              that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
              …”
              (Ephesians 6:10-20, KJB) + 2 Corinthians 10:3-5 | James 4:7-8, KJV

              That is the reason that I do not play any kind of verbal games or ‘joke around’ – for we are engaged in a constant 24/7/365 spiritual battle for the eternal souls of men, women, boys, and girls:
              [6] Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:
              [7] Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.
              [8] Be sober, be vigilant;
              – because your adversary the devil,
              – as a roaring lion, walketh about,
              – seeking whom he may devour:
              [9] Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
              [10] But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus,
              after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.
              [11] To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever.
              Amen.
              (1 Peter, Chapter 5, KJB)

              – and we know not who may read what we write in our comments
              – or who they may talk to
              ~ BUT ~ “the Lord God Almighty” does know – AND we are to be HIS Ambassadors!
              “And for me,
              that utterance may be given unto me,
              that I may open my mouth boldly,
              to make known the mystery of the gospel,
              ~ FOR WHICH I AM AN AMBASSADOR IN BONDS:
              that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
              (Ephesians 6:19-20, KJB)

              – CAPITALization and emphasis of “the words of truth” are mine – Bro. Nick

            • Bro. Nick

              Heather – Sister, Please be warned – that the forces of darkness (Eph 6:12, KJB) desire most of all to ‘neutralize’ those of us who do understand that there are continuous spiritual battles that we are in – and that we actually are dependent upon “the Lord God Almighty” to “be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might” (Eph 6:10, KJB)

              I have been thinking and wondering about what has happened to cause so many ‘pastors’ – ‘ministries’ – and ‘folks’ to now believe in all kinds of non-Biblical doctrines – that not long ago seemed to be real believers in “the truth” of “the word of the Lord”.
              We personally need to be ‘on guard’ for our own souls – lest we also fall – which is only by ‘rock solid’ faith in “thus saith the Lord”. Please read 1 Kings 13:1-32, KJV – there is a vital lesson for all of us to constantly heed.
              AND – may we truly be willing to listen when we are given WARNING by “the Holy Ghost”:
              “And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying,
              This is the way, walk ye in it,
              WHEN ye turn to the right hand,
              and WHEN ye turn to the left.”
              (Isaiah 30:21, KJB)

              My personal choice is to do as the Old Testament Prophet Habakkuk did when he was in times of very real trouble:
              “Yet I will rejoice in the LORD,
              I will joy in the God of my salvation.
              The LORD God is my strength,
              and he will make my feet like hinds’ feet,
              and he will make me to walk upon mine high places. …”
              (Habakkuk 3:19-19, KJB) + Isaiah 26:3-4 | Nahum 1:7, KJV
              .

            • Heather

              Thank you. I understand what you are trying to say and I also hear in your writings that the spiritual decptions are getting very dangerous. I think this demonic group has launched their evil plans in turning the heat up. The increased demonic deceptions.
              I will read the verses in Judges. I hope you are alright today. I know you were being the great warrior that you are through the midst of the night. I think there has been a psychopath evil demon attacking this site the past two days.
              He has been making his rounds on the latest article “The Pre Tribulation Rapture of the Church found in the book of Revelation”.
              Except this time his iron teeth have come out.
              Your the best. I hope your resting, yet I’m sure you are in quiet time strengthening that armor and girding up through the word of God.
              Time is short.

            • Heather

              Bro Nick

              You said;
              Heather – Sister, Please be warned – that the forces of darkness (Eph 6:12, KJB) desire most of all to ‘neutralize’ those of us who do understand that there are continuous spiritual battles that we are in – and that we actually are dependent upon “the Lord God Almighty” to “be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might” (Eph 6:10, KJB)

              After I did some digging, I just came back and found this reply from you in which I hadn’t seen yet because I went to sleep around 3am this morning. It is so true what you said about Satan picking the best groomed and schooled etc to do his bidding. If you will do some research in the link I provided above on the author of that book, also by putting the author’s name into google, you will see what I’m referring to. There is history also of attending Harvard. These have been groomed for this very purpose and they are now being launched out even more aggressively.

              Also, remember the issue on the site last week with John? I found some things that confirmed the SBC pastor thing. What I revealed to him that i knew was true, and he was not truthful in his response to your direct question to him. This is why I with held any apology to him. And no, I am not a gossip, but I always check things out to get to the truth behind the
              agenda. I am sorry to you though, because I didn’t mean to get you pulled into that.
              I just wanted to tell you that.

            • Bro. Nick

              Heather – My dear Sister in “Christ Jesus”, You ARE NOT a gossip, for you have warned me and others about those that do not tell or teach “the truth” – just as “our beloved brother Paul” did in 1 Timothy 1:20, 2 Timothy 2:17, 4:14, KJV – and I thank you very much – and you owe me absolutely no apology – for it is my personal choice to be “an ambassador in bonds” unto “the Rock” of my salvation – whatever the price may be.
              – I Thank you for the 2 links, both of which I read. To me, they show a man who speaks much of himself and his worldly accomplishments, interprets “the word of the Lord” according to the agenda of he whom has chosen to follow, who shows no desire to have “a contrite and humble spirit” that I have read, and is very arrogant in his derogatory comments to – and about anyone that dis-agrees with his ‘spiritual insights’ or statements of ‘absolute, objective truth’, and despises and hates “Israel” and the “Jewish” people.
              I also appreciate your doing further digging about John. I had nothing to rely upon except his personal statement to me.
              – It seems to me that both of these men are specific examples of the Biblical truth about those who are counterfeit:
              [13] For such are false apostles,
              deceitful workers,
              transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
              [14] And no marvel;
              for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
              [15] Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness;
              whose end shall be according to their works.
              (2 Corinthians, Chapter 11, KJB)

              They and others seem to be so close to “the truth” in many ways – that their errors can only be Spiritually Discerned by those who truly are continually “believeth” followers of “our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ” ~ who depend and ask for Grace, Knowledge, Understanding, and Guidance by “the only wise God” ~ and have come to “know the certainty of the words of truth” (Proverbs 22:17-21, KJB):

              “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ:
              for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth;
              to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
              For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith:
              as it is written,
              The just shall live by faith.”
              (Romans 1:16-17, KJB)

              I was led to read the following Scripture tonight
              – Psalm 119:133 IN ACTION:
              [1] Therefore seeing we have this ministry,
              as we have received mercy, we faint not;
              [2] But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty,
              not walking in craftiness,
              nor handling the word of God deceitfully;
              but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.
              – [3] But if our gospel be hid,
              – it is hid to them that are lost:
              – [4] In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,
              lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
              [5] For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord;
              and ourselves your servants for Jesus’ sake.
              [6] For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
              (2 Corinthians, Chapter 4, KJB)

              As it is written in Jude 1:25, KJV:
              “Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling,
              and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
              To the only wise God our Saviour,
              be glory and majesty,
              dominion and power,
              both now and ever.
              Amen.”

              – Emphasis of “the word of the Lord” are mine – Bro. Nick

    • Thanks for posting about this horrible reality. People MUST understand that we confront sin so that people don’t end up in hell, because hell and the wrath of God…are coming:

      http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2014/12/28/hell-and-the-wrath-of-god-almighty-what-do-the-scriptures-say/

    • Kristen

      What is the basis for saying that Hell is in the center of the earth? I’ve heard this idea before. I just don’t know how Biblically sound it is.
      Never thought about #3….sad.

      • @ Kristen Great question! scripture upon scripture:

        Matt 12:40 KJV For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

        Acts 2:31-32 KJV
        He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

        Ephesians 4:8-9 KJV
        Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

        The Bible says the Jesus was in the lower parts of the earth after death whose soul was not left in Hell but was resurrected out where he also lead the saints (Abraham’s Bossom/Paradise) out.

        • Susan Johnson

          ….”and Satan came also among them. And the LORD said unto
          Satan “Whence comest thou?” Then Satan answered the LORD and
          said “From going to and from in the Earth, and from walking
          up and down in it”….

          Job:1-7

      • Bro. Nick

        Kristen – Some additional references from the Book of Revelation ~ KJV that may be a help:

        * Note – DEATH and HELL | THE BOTTOMLESS PIT | THE LAKE OF FIRE are written only in the Book of Revelation ~ KJV

        Revelation 1:18 – HELL

        Revelation 6:8 – HELL

        Revelation 9:1 – THE BOTTOMLESS PIT

        Revelation 9:2 – THE BOTTOMLESS PIT

        Revelation 9:11 – THE BOTTOMLESS PIT

        Revelation 11:7 – THE BOTTOMLESS PIT

        Revelation 17:8 – THE BOTTOMLESS PIT

        Revelation 20:1 – THE BOTTOMLESS PIT

        Revelation 20:3 – THE BOTTOMLESS PIT

        Revelation 20:10 – THE LAKE OF FIRE

        Revelation, Chapter 20 – DEATH and HELL | THE LAKE OF FIRE:
        [13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it;
        and DEATH and HELL delivered up the dead which were in them:
        and they were judged every man according to their works.
        [14] And DEATH and HELL were cast into THE LAKE OF FIRE.
        This is the second death.
        [15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into THE LAKE OF FIRE.
        .

    • Donna R Brown

      The most unbearable, heart-wrenching thing I can imagine is someone being lost and going to hell when it’s not necessary. He is willing that none should perish, and that is why He sent His one and only Son to take our place. Yes, it’s hard for us to comprehend. I’ve heard atheists ask what kind of loving God would send those He loves to eternal torment. As hard as it is for us to wrap our human minds around, He does love us, or else He wouldn’t have aide the provision of salvation for us.
      We need to witness to all we can so they can have the opportunity to accept Jesus and repent of their sins. I can’t pretend to comprehend it all, but I do know in my heart that His love for us, His grace, is sufficient.

      • If every saved person reading this article would share the link with every lost person they know, how many people might get saved? Probably a lot of them, let’s find out. Please share this article, thanks!

      • Donna, You must read and understand the entirety of the teachings of God’s word to grasp the truth (assuming the Holy Spirit is in you and guiding you).

        God’s word teaches from beginning to end that God is sovereign. This means that God is all-powerful. He also sees the end from the beginning. Further, every thought, person and circumstance that comes into each of our lives from birth to death finds its first cause in God. Five verses in Proverbs 16 -21 teach this very thing. Context is everything when reading Scripture. Here you make reference to John 3:16. Read a few more verses after this one to get the proper context. If God is indeed all-powerful, why doesn’t He just see to it that all are saved, if indeed He loves every human being He created? The answer to this troubling question can be found in Romans 9:11-23 and elsewhere. God simply does not love everybody, even though almost all apostate forms of organized religion teach that He does to deceive the masses and keep the tithes and offering money coming in.

        Few people are properly taught the doctrine of election taught in the Bible. One doctrine of devils, known as Arminianism, teaches that God loves everybody but that man has to exercise his mythical “free will” to be saved, which contradicts the Biblical doctrine of salvation by grace (unmerited favor) alone. The Bible teaches that God has chosen (elected) everyone who He would one day save since before the world began, and wrote our names in the Lamb’s book of life. Then, at a time and manner of God’s choosing, sometime in our lives, He will put His Holy Spirit in us, orchestrate events so that we hear the full gospel preached (both the bad news and the good news), we believe it, and thus become born again adopted sons or daughters in the Living god thorough faith in His son, Yahushua (Jesus).

        Now this doctrine of election is not at all popular with those who number among the non-elect. Moreover, there are many more non-elects than elects, so to grow a church you have to pander to the non-elects and deceive them into believing that they are saved, when they really are not. This is done all the time today and it’s quite wicked and unloving. and it produces vast amounts of confusion among the so-called body of Christ. We’re now living in the final days of the great tribulation foretold in Matthew 24 and Daniel 12 for thousands of years and this is precisely what the Bible predicts would happen now. So it should surprise none of God’s elect. But everyone else will be deceived. Matthew 24:24 reveals just this.

        I must caution you. You have been taught false teachings. God wants a personal, direct and intimate relationship with all of His born again elect adopted sons and daughters. He wants us to seek Him out diligently to know Him as He reveals Himself to His elect in Scripture. Only with His Holy Spirit living in us can we properly make sense out of what the words of Scripture are saying to us. Yes, God loves His elect. And yes, His grace is sufficient for us to be saved. But “us” only pertains to His elect; not to everyone. This is where your confusion is centered.

        I hope this helps more than troubles you. If you are truly of the elect, as I am, it is a wonderful and rather rare gift. it is humbling beyond words and makes us eternally grateful and thankful for a gift we did not deserve. That fact that it is a rare gift makes it all the more precious to those of us who are blessed enough to be given it.

        • Skywatcher

          WOW, what do you do with the “whosoever will” may come verses in the Holy Bible? I.e.: John 3: 16; John 1: 12, 13, etc.

          God desires that all would come to know Him as Heavenly Father and He’s not willing that any should perish, John 3: 17.

    • Thomas

      This page pushes the most demonic teaching there is in “Christianity”.

      So our LOVING God is going to BURN the lost for ALL ETERNITY just for a “few years” of life rejecting Him on this SIN LADEN earth? So God is going to burn the lost for continuing to sin when it is in our NATURE to sin?

      What a wicked teaching, and anyone who believes this, does not know our Heavenly Father, or Jesus Christ.

      And no, it’s not in the Bible. You have just completely misunderstood it. Take a look at this site for the TRUTH about hell … http://www.truth-about-hell.com

      Thomas

      • Thomas

        Just in case you misunderstand. Yes, there IS going to be a judgment in the lake of fire for the lost. But they will “burn up” (Malachi 4) and cease to exist … then there will be a NEW heaven and NEW earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness (2 Peter 3:13)

        • @Thomas

          On top of being a satanic doctrine, annihilation isn’t even sound mentally. It’s more like the foolish atheist belief of “nothingness”.

          Ask yourself this Thomas: What’s worse, living on earth where there is sickness, pain, heartache, disease, stress, bills, work, hunger, war and despair OR “annihilation” where I no longer have to worry about ANY OF THAT.

          From a logic standpoint, If I believed what you believed about “annihilation”, I would shoot myself in the head right now! “Annihilation” sounds way better than living life on earth!

          • Slade

            Actually the bible does have verses that point to both annhilation and eternal torment in hell. You shouldnt have put this article up if you dont know which one is right. There is evidence that the people who take the mark of the beast will be tormented forever because they might be connected with the beast and the false prophet satan etc. But the rest of humanity seems to be put out of existence…..maybe

            • Slade

              Isnt this the site that teaches once saved allways saved? And the fact that Jesus christ blots out peoples names out of the book of life, if he does that literally and its not symbolic

            • Skywatcher

              Slade, you say, “Actually the bible does have verses that point to both annhilation and eternal torment in hell.”

              The proof is in the pudding! If you want to convince us that what you’re saying is the truth, then where are your supporting Scriptures? Don’t be making bold-faced lies without giving the proofs that you claim are in the Bible. A wise person never makes a judgment call w/out first seriously looking at all the evidence. Help us out here! Maybe you’re onto something really big, and most of us are incorrect! How can we know for sure, if you don’t give us the “missing links”? I’ll be waiting for your “earth-shattering” evidence! 🙂

            • @Slade You can find Bible verses to support anything if you take verses out of context: you want a verse to promote stealing? Read Job 12:6 KJV, you want a verse to promote fornication in church? Read Amos 4:4 KJV.

              I already know the scriptures that you choose to pervert in order to teach the heresy of annihilation.There’s nothing new under the sun.

            • Dan

              Slade you’re referring to Rev 3:5 KJV and yes it does imply that you can be taken from existence by GOD’s will.

              Tell us again about the Lizard people Skywatcher

          • Susan Johnson

            ….”I would shoot myself in the head right now!”.

            Colossians 4:6

            “Let your speech be gracious, seasoned with salt; so that you
            may know how to answer each person”.

            Ephesians 4:29

            “Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only
            such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that
            it may give grace to those who hear”.

          • Bryce

            HiJimmy

            Curious. When did you receive Eternal Life?
            Bryce

            • Emery

              Bryce;
              God’s word says no one can receive eternal life, until after the judgement day, and only then if that one obeys the new scrolls God has promised to give us.

        • Bro. Nick

          Thomas – It is my Biblical understanding from having found four (4) references in “the word of the Lord” about “EVERLASTING” “BURNINGS” =1 – “FIRE” = 2 and “JUDGMENT” =1
          – that your saying that those in HELL ‘will burn up’ and ‘cease to exist’ is not “rightly dividing the word of truth”

          -1- Isaiah 33: ~ KJV:
          “The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with THE DEVOURING FIRE? who among us shall dwell with EVERLASTING BURNINGS?”

          -2- Matthew 18:8 ~ KJV:
          “Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee:
          it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed,
          rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into EVERLASTING FIRE.”

          -3- Matthew 25:41 ~ KJV:
          “Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed,
          into EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels:”

          -4- Matthew 25:46 ~ KJV:
          “And these shall go away into EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT:
          but the righteous into life eternal.”

          – CAPITALization of “the words of the Lord” are mine for emphasis – Bro. Nick

      • Lol, the link you posted is a site teaching the demonic doctrine of the Seventh Day Adventists.
        Speaking of the SDA cult, read this: http://nowtheendbegins.com/pages/cults/seventh-day-adventists-sda.htm

      • @Thomas
        A loving god ALONE is NOT the God of the Holy Bible. The god that you’re interested in is the greek god Pan that’s ALL LOVE and consents to all sin without judgement; bestiality, pedophilia, and necromancy included.

        The God of the Holy Bible is HOLY (imagine that). His love for you is PAST TENSE and can only be located at Calvary (John 3:16 KJV).

        God’s wrath is on you CURRENTLY (John 3:36 KJV), and if you do not come to God as a sinner that has earned their place in Hell, Hell will be your eternal destination.

        REPENT!

      • concerned

        No Thomas. If we get back to Sola Scripture (Pure interpretation of doctrine) and allow scripture to interpret scripture just as Jimmy laid out, you cant not see that hell is not real. Read about the second death, the great white throne judgement. Also see Dan 7:9
        Books (plural) were opened. perhaps the book of life and the book of second death.
        The court is seated. 10000 upon 10000 in the court and the great judge is the ancient of days. Whats the point in this judgement if all are going to the same place. (heaven) Actually our destination is not even heaven but God himself as 1 Sam 8:27 says the heaven of heavens cannot contain Him

      • Skywatcher

        Thomas, with all due respect, you obviously have trouble understanding God’s Word. Jesus couldn’t have been any plainer when He warned of Hell and the Lake of Fire. He spoke more of Hell than He did of Heaven. If there was no such thing, then He was a moron for being willing to lay aside the splendors of Heaven to come to a corrupt earth, to die the most agonizing death known to mankind…to save them from nothing! That’s not the Jesus of the Holy Bible! Many scriptures have been given to prove that there is a a period of time spent in Hell without Christ in one’s life. Hell is NOT eternal! It is a temporary place until it is dumped into the Lake of Fire…for all eternity! Rev. 20: 14

        Don’t forget…God created us with free moral agency, meaning we have the freedom to CHOOSE where we want to spend eternity. He cannot send us to Heaven, and He cannot send us to Hell ~ we choose our destination! That’s real love on God’s part, and I think that’s a pretty wonderful opportunity afforded to us by God, who is love: I John 4: 8, 16.

        We don’t need anymore sites to find the truth of God’s Word that we have right in front of us. Anyone who says anything other than the passages given in this forum and many others that haven’t been given yet, is a liar and a charlatan, NOT to be trusted. They would be truth-twisters! You need to know who is posting the various sites that are out there and what they believe, why they believe such, and if their beliefs can be supported by the Holy Bible.

        After all…it is in the Holy Bible where we first learn of Heaven and Hell; no other religion speaks of such, nor can any other religion boast of a Savior who was brutally murdered and resurrected from the grave as He had previously promised! Nor can they boast of a Savior who said that He would come back and receive them unto Himself, John 14: 3.

        In the end, God is not bothered by our beliefs; He is more bothered by each and every person who was either so stubborn or stupid to not accept His free gift: Rom. 6: 23: “The wages (earned) of sin is death, but the GIFT (free to us) of God is eternal life THROUGH Jesus Christ, our Lord.”

        Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life, no man comes to the Father but by me.” John 14: 6 You have a choice to make; don’t put it off until it’s too late!

      • carson

        ephesians 2:3, by nature children of wrath…
        romans 5:12, by one man sin entered the world..
        we’re all born on down the line from adam, having that now fallen nature (remember adam was not created sinful, he was as good as man could be, then he sinned and sin entered)…

        all born of adam thus all needs be born again in Christ, 1st peter 1, john 3, john 1:12-13..
        people hear and reject the chance at having the adamic/old man nature crucified with Christ and to have His Spirit/Christ dwelling within them the hope of glory..
        2nd thessalonians 2 and the strong delusion, why is it sent? people rejected the love of the Truth/Christ is the one and only truth way life, john 3:18-20, the flesh nature loves the darkness, jeremiah 17, the heart of man…

        why do people reject being saved, born anew, for me, my flesh/old man knew what that meant, that I’d no longer rule and reign and live by mine own lordships but Christ would rule and reign and my old man nature wished to sin, be ‘lord’, self rule, do my own thing and me me me..being born again surrendered to Christ and Him as Lord meant my flesh would needs be crucified mortified put to death..we are bought with a price and are not our own 1st corinthians 6:19-20 and we no longer live unto ourselves but unto Christ..2nd corinthians 5;15 and many more.

        The flesh wars with the Spirit and does not wish to surrender but wishes to rule and sin (even such as self righteousness/works and such, is sin, this too the flesh wishes..whatever keeps it alive, even a form of godliness/self righteousness feeds the flesh and is why many flock to religions and ear ticklers too) and live unto self, and I notice with many is why they also reject Christ..little ‘gods’ unto ourselves is the way’s of the flesh, interesting, we can see that with the devil over in Isaiah 14..he to wished to be like god, so the flesh is keyed to the devils way’s and does his things too and those of the flesh cannot enter eternity with God. And the flesh/nature harps up that sin/fun and other is the best and devalues peace, peace with God in Christ (imagine that) and joy and love and so much more, the things of true and eternal value.

        At points in the bible we see how God adopts people who receive Christ..why would He adopt what is already His? so people , born of adam as we all are by default, are not of the household of God but of the household of the flesh, the devil, and needs be born anew in Christ and adopted. When all things are wrapped up what to do with those of the household of the devil? they go to the lake of fire which was prepared for the devil and those of his angels, their of the same household after all.
        romans chapters 5 through 8 and many more are helpful, to just run with the flesh, saying ‘it’s our nature’, is to be horribly mislead by the devil and the flesh, jeremiah 17, the heart/nature of man is deceitful and desperately wicked, when salvation and power to become a child of God is offered in Christ john 1:12.
        Christ was the most tremendous gift ever given, to reject Him rejects the Father who sent Him too, have Christ have life.

      • What is demonic is teaching and promoting that which is a lie.

        “For the LORD (YHWH) knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.” Psalm 1:6

        Revelation 21:8 makes it very clear that all liars shall partake in eternal torment in the burning lake of fire and brimstone.

        This is what the Bible, in its entirety, clearly teaches. If you cannot see this, you are revealing that God has sent strong delusion upon you, in fulfillment of the prophecy at 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12.

        The truth is not found at an intentionally deceptive website. It is found in the entirety of God’s word, the Bible. I most assuredly do not misunderstand it. The burden of proof falls on you to show me my error. How else can anyone read the verses I have just referred to?!?

        • Bro. Nick

          Watchman on the Wall – You wrote that – ‘The truth is not found at an intentionally deceptive website. It is found in the entirety of God’s word, the Bible. I most assuredly do not misunderstand it.
          – The burden of proof falls on you to show me my error.
          How else can anyone read the verses I have just referred to?!?’

          Actually it is quite simple – read and truly believe that which is written in “the word of the LORD”:
          [5] ¶ THUS SAITH THE LORD;
          Cursed be the man that trusteth in man,
          and maketh flesh his arm,
          and whose heart departeth from the LORD.
          [6] For he shall be like the heath in the desert,
          and shall not see when good cometh;
          but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness,
          in a salt land and not inhabited.
          [7] BLESSED IS THE MAN THAT TRUSTETH IN THE LORD,
          AND WHOSE HOPE THE LORD IS.
          [8] For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters,
          and that spreadeth out her roots by the river,
          and shall not see when heat cometh,
          but her leaf shall be green;
          and shall not be careful in the year of drought,
          neither shall cease from yielding fruit.
          (Jeremiah, Chapter 17, KJB)

          – As it was written by King David:
          [1] Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly,
          nor standeth in the way of sinners,
          nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
          ~ [2] BUT HIS DELIGHT IS IN THE LAW OF THE LORD;
          ~ AND IN HIS LAW DOTH HE MEDITATE DAY AND NIGHT.
          [3] And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water,
          that bringeth forth his fruit in his season;
          his leaf also shall not wither;
          and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
          – [4] The ungodly are not so:
          – but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
          – [5] Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment,
          – nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
          [6] FOR THE LORD KNOWETH THE WAY OF THE RIGHTEOUS:
          – but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

          And by the the Prophet Isaiah in Chapter 28:9-10, KJV:
          “WHOM SHALL HE TEACH KNOWLEDGE?
          AND WHOM SHALL HE MAKE TO UNDERSTAND DOCTRINE?
          them that are weaned from the milk,
          and drawn from the breasts.
          For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept;
          line upon line, line upon line;
          here a little, and there a little:”

          As the Jewish Apostle “our beloved brother Paul” wrote:
          [15] STUDY TO SHEW THYSELF APPROVED UNTO GOD,
          a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
          RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH.
          [16] But shun profane and vain babblings:
          for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
          [17] And their word will eat as doth a canker:
          of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
          [18] Who concerning the truth have erred,
          saying that the resurrection is past already;
          and overthrow the faith of some.
          (2 Timothy, Chapter 2, KJB)

          – CAPITALization and emphasis of “the word of the Lord” are mine – Bro. Nick

    • Dan

      Thomas , I looked at your link and what I can tell you is GOD will simply blot us out of existence. That’s the short answer.

      Please forgive me but I’ll have to go back and look at your link(it was allot) to read and I’ll need to make time to do so.

      But, yes you are right in that the way this article presents hell is just wrong and shows a lack of understanding of what GOD did on the cross and why.

      • Skywatcher

        Dan, it’s bad enough to make bold and Scripturally inaccurate comments, but to give no Scriptural support is asinine! You need to pay closer attention to the Holy Bible and NOT to the truth-twisters.

        • Dan

          Skywatcher don’t even talk about inaccurate comments that have no scriptural support . Your the believer of Lizard people taking over our government Talk about asinine .

          You’d do well to close your mouth and dream of the great Lizard because he’s coming for you bro. (Laugh)

          But hey you believe what you want as long as you accept Jesus as messiah.

          I’m sure he’ll look past your looney theories.

          Still buds right?

      • Dan, Please explain what the words of Revelation 20:15 and 21:8 say and mean. There is NO Biblical support for the notion that God will blot any of us out of existence. Your claiming this to be true is reckless, irresponsible and false. You’ve got a lot of ‘splainin’ to do…

        • Dan

          Watchman I appreciate the nature of your post (splaining to do) after all we are just talking here ;right?

          Rev 3:5 is where you’ll find it

          • Dan, All that Rev. 3:5 says is that Jesus “will not blot out his name out of the book of life,” but will confess his name before the Father (God), and before his angels.

            You clearly have no clue what the book of life pertains to. God wrote every one of the names of His elect, chosen since before the world began, by God in the Lamb’s book of life, which is referred to at multiple places in the Book of Revelation (Chapter 20 particularly). These people, and I am one of them, were elected by God to at some time in our lives, receive God’s Holy Spirit in us, hear the full gospel preached (first the bad news of our total depravity and heading to hell when we die), and then the good news, believe it and thus become one of God’s born again adopted sons or daughters of the Living God in His son, Yahushua (Jesus).

            Once again, you’ve been proven dead wrong. Those who9 teach falsehoods will end up experiencing the fate described in Revelation 21:8. Your professions of love for God are not credible, absent a dedication to the objective truth on your part. God abhors all liars and all lies. of course, I’m not telling you anything you don’t already know, right? Because if you loved YHWH (God), you would obey Him and speak and teach the truth in love.

            So I’d say you still have some more splainin’ to do…

            • Heather

              Luke 18:9-14King James Version (KJV)

              9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

              10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

              11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

              12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

              13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

              14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

            • Heather

              Isaiah 2:11

              The proud look of man will be abased And the loftiness of man will be humbled, And the LORD alone will be exalted in that day.

              Isaiah 5:15

              So the common man will be humbled and the man of importance abased, The eyes of the proud also will be abased.

              Isaiah 13: 11

              Thus I will punish the world for its evil And the wicked for their iniquity; I will also put an end to the arrogance of the proud And abase the haughtiness of the ruthless.

              Jeremiah 50:31-32

              “Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one,” Declares the Lord GOD of hosts, “For your day has come, The time when I will punish you. “The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set fire to his cities And it will devour all his environs.”

    • kiwiwatcher

      Hell!….just wanted to say it.

    • “Depart from me for I never knew you” are the words Jesus will speak to those who have chosen not to accept his divine plan of “Salvation”.
      Hell is not a temporary fix. Satan will have lots of company in HELL which is f-o-r-e-v-e-r! Some of you people just don’t get it do you.

      • Skywatcher

        Hi there, brother Jimmy!

        Just a note of clarification…Hell is NOT forever, as seen in Rev. 20: 14. It eventually gets dumped, with all of its contents, into the Lake of Fire which burns forever. Hell and the Lake of Fire are not one and the same, for you cannot dump something into itself.

        Some of the people “just don’t get it” because the god of this world has truly blinded their eyes. I and others on here, share in your frustration and grave concern. Until their eyes are opened at their spiritual rebirth (John 3: 5-7), they unwittingly are tools in the enemy’s hands. We need to pray for these people, that God would soften their hearts, help them to see the truth, and to receive the Truth, the Way, and the Life, John 14: 6. Yes, for you other readers…I know that’s not the order in which these titles are listed in John. I put it that way because it flowed with my statement.

        • You’re absolutely right. Most people associate Hell and the Lake of Fire interchangeably so I just say Hell as not to confuse the majority of folks. But you’re right.

    • Amen Brother in Christ Jesus Jimmy!! 😀

      Jesus ( Yeshua ) Christ is the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE, no one comes unto the FATHER, but through ME – Jesus ( Yeshua ) Christ!!

      Jesus ( Yeshua ) Christ died on the wooden cross for all our sins, HE AROSE on the THIRD day and is ALIVE at the RIGHT HAND SIDE of GOD our FATHER who art in HEAVEN ABOVE!!

      Please Everyone “TRUST in the LORD with all Thine HEART and lean NOT unto thine own understanding, in all thy ways Acknowledge HIM and HE Shall Direct thy Paths”( Proverbs 3:5-6 KJV )!!

      Thus: Please Everyone “TRUST in the LORD JESUS ( YESHUA ) CHRIST with all Thine HEART and SOUL NOW TODAY, HE LOVES you all forever”!!

      Happy Shavua Tov Everyone!!

      Love Always and Shalom Everyone,

      Kristi Ann

      • Kristi Ann, This is why Paul tells us in 1 Timothy 2:11-15 that he does not suffer a woman to teach. God is love, but He is a whole lot more than this which you seem to conveniently overlook in your overly sentimental zeal to preach “God is love and that’s all you gotta know.” That simply is not true and does great damage to many. This is not love. This is deceit and a fraud.

        The simple truth is that God does not love everybody. The Bible in many places from beginning to end makes this point very clear. Romans 9:11-23 is one of the most direct explanations of this and God’s reasons for it.

        You are free to believe whatever fairy tales and fables appeal to you. After all, Paul tells us in 2 Timothy 4:3-4 that this is precisely what would happen in these final days of the great tribulation which we are now living through. But when you try to promote a distorted fraud of who Jesus is to a confused and lost world, you are doing the work of the devil, for which you need to be rebuked and corrected. I hope you will have the wisdom to heed this godly correction and confess and repent for your sin. It brings no glory to YHWH or to Yahushua.

        • Skywatcher

          WOW, you’re incorrect when you say we are “in these final days of the great tribulation which we are now living through.”

          As you’ve already been told several times on this forum, the Great Tribulation hasn’t even begun yet because various parts of the “play” are missing and/or NOT in place.

          While you’re so anxious to get others to open their eyes to see truth, how is it that you can keep yours so tightly closed to the truth that is coming in your direction? Hmmm. YOU have also been deceived because we are now merely living in the birth pains leading up to the Great Tribulation. The baby will not be delivered (G.T) until the Great Physician comes in and performs a C-section, known as the Rapture.

          • Heather

            Amen Skywatcher!

            • Heather, You just publicly affirmed Skywatcher’s Biblical error. This is why Paul does not suffer women to teach, as he explains and explains why quite forthrightly in 1 Timothy 2:11-15. Paul’s reasoning is no less true today than when he wrote those words. You would do well to heed them.

              You wrongfully accuse me of pride when your posts wreak of Biblical ignorance and hubris. Everything I teach is the objective, absolute truth. If you are so convinced that i am wrong, then show me my specific errors. I have written a book, “Making Sense Out of a World Gone Mad: A Roadmap for God’s Elect Living in the Final Days of the End Times,” which teaches many inconvenient and unpleasant truths and I back them with over 80 footnotes and a lengthy, extensively researched bibliography of my sources which thoroughly backs up everything I have taught here. Most of the world is badly deceived and you are among them. I suggest you get yourself educated with the objective truth before spouting off any more drivel and publicly embarrassing yourself in the process.

              I make no apologies for anything I teach. All of it is true and carefully researched. I serve the one true God, YHWH, and His son, Yahushua (Jesus) of the Bible. I don’t know what Jesus you believe you follow, but he is a false Christ and therefore a demon spirit who lies. Your are deceived. But I am not. You may not like it, but I am everything I claim to be.

            • Heather

              The Lord has hardened your heart and blinded your eyes because you have refused to repent of your arrogance throughout your life.

              According to your theory, you proclaim we are in the last year of the Great Tribulation. Here is just one question for you, can you tell me what happened to the Two Witnesses? There are many more verses of prophecy showing we are NOT there yet. The following is just one example.

              Revelation 11:1-14King James Version (KJV)

              11 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood,
              saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that
              worship therein.

              2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for
              it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot
              forty and two months.

              3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, AND THEY SHALL PROPHESY A THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND THREESCORE DAYS, clothed in sackcloth.

              4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before
              the God of the earth.

              5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and
              devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this
              manner be killed.

              6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their
              prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite
              the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

              7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that
              ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall
              overcome them, and kill them.

              8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which
              spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

              9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see
              their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead
              bodies to be put in graves.

              10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make
              merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets
              tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

              11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into
              them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which
              saw them.

              12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

              13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

              14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

            • Bro. Nick

              Watchman – You apparently will use anything that comes into your heart against anyone that does not agree with your personal interpretations of “the words of truth” that are written in “the word of the Lord”.

              Heather, my Sister in “Christ Jesus” IS NOT TEACHING – she makes comments according to her Biblically sound understandings of that which is written in “the scripture of truth”.
              – AND – have you read of Deborah, who is mentioned 9 times in the book of Judges, Chapters 4-5, KJV?
              ~ she was both a “prophetess” and a “judge” of “Israel” ~ and her words are written in “the word of God”, the Holy Bible, KJV

              You say that you have no pride – yet you write of yourself ‘I’ ten (10) times in your statement of what you say is ‘the objective, absolute truth’.
              It is STRONGLY WARNED in “the word of the Lord:
              “Before destruction the heart of man is haughty,
              ~ AND BEFORE HONOUR IS HUMILITY.”
              (Proverbs 18:12, KJB)

              It is my Biblical understanding that all of those who truly are Biblically “born again” “believeth” followers of “our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ” should remember – and do that which King David wrote in Psalm 51:17, KJV:
              “The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit:
              a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.”

              and:
              [6] Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:
              [7] Casting all your care upon him;
              for he careth for you.
              [8] Be sober, be vigilant;
              – because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about,
              – seeking whom he may devour:
              [9] Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
              [10] But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus,
              after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.
              [11] To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever.
              Amen.
              (1 Peter, Chapter 5, KJB)

              ~ CAPITALization and emphasis of “the word of the Lord” is mine – Bro. Nick

          • SW, You can repeat yourself until you are blue in the face and still remain dead wrong.

            Your post here presumes, wrongly, that the gathering, commonly referred to as the rapture, will precede the great tribulation, when in fact the words of Matthew 24:15-31 reveal precisely the opposite of this!! Read Matthew 24:29 VERY closely, which begins: “Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days…” and then goes on to predict 4 celestial events which will occur right AFTER the great tribulation is over. Verse 30 then starts, “And then…” Does this sort of language connote sequence of timing? It most certainly does! What follows in verses 30 and 31 is one of several descriptions of the gathering or rapture. Hence, the4 rapture is a POST-trib rapture and most so-called theologians who preach a pre-trib rapture are dead wrong!

            Matthew 24:24 reveals that in these days, if it were possible, even the elect shall be deceived. You, SW, and many others, are deceived. Now what?

            My book, “Making Sense Out of a World Gone Mad: A Roadmap for God’s Elect Living in the Final Days of the End Times,” provides all the evidence and proof that anyone of the truth and intellectual integrity requires to grasp where we are in God’s prophetic Biblical timeline. if you wish to play the ostrich and bury your head in the sand, ignoring the extensive evidence for my truth claims, be my guest. The burden of proof now falls on you to prove me wrong.

            • Heather

              Watchman, you said if I am so convinced that you are wrong about our being in the last year of the Great Tribulation then to show you your errors. I asked you about the two witnesses. What happened to the Two Witnesses? The Word of God shows they will prophesy for One thousand two hundred and threescore days. You say we are in the last year of the Great Tribulatio. So when did we miss them? There will be no answer from you on this question.
              You show with your words that you are a self glorifying, false prophet!
              You told my Brother Bro Nick that he is mean and bitter. Lies! He is the complete opposite of you. He is full of the Lord’s light and TRUTH. You have spoken to my brethren on this foru as though they are beneath you. It is YOU who is bitter. I know what anger and bitterness looks like.

              What happened to you in your life growing up? You have never allowed your self to heal, thus you have never grown up. What kind of people did you surround yourself with at these Schools of Theology?

              Revelation 3:17-18 KJV
              Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou are wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
              18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment; that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear, and annoint thine eyes with eye salve, that thou mayest SEE.
              Repent of your arrogance while the Lord can still be found.

    • Skywatcher

      Brother Jimmy, thank you, for a well-written article expressing an extremely important facet of God’s love and justice. However, you missed Fact #7 that most pastors fail to mention: Hell is NOT eternal! It is a temporary place until it is dumped into the Lake of Fire…for all eternity! Rev. 20: 14

      This strong biblical teaching needs to get back out there, while too many so-called “Christians” sugar-coat or castrate the truth of this very important doctrine from their belief system! It’s in God’s Word for a reason, and you’ve given plenty to masticate upon! Keep up the great work, Brother! We don’t have much more time to labor for the Master! Every second counts!

      • kiwiwatcher

        Hear, hear, Skywatcher

        Amen, Amen, Amen brother Jimmy

      • Slade

        Death and hell were cast into the lake of fire,does that mean people will die and be anhillated in the lake of fire as well?

        • Skywatcher

          Not at all, Slade! Remember the burning bush that Moses saw? It wasn’t consumed by the fire. Remember the fiery chariot that took Elijah to Heaven? It wasn’t consumed by fire. Remember, on the Day of Pentecost, the “cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them…” didn’t consume them, Acts 2: 3.

          God miraculously side-steps the laws of nature so that He can work His plan and purposes…and to get our attention! He also uses these events as an object lesson through which He can teach us a parallel truth about His kingdom and the events He uses to draw us unto Himself.

          I hope this helps a little. 🙂

          • Slade

            Um not really,your talking about holy fire and it doesnt say the lake of fire is holy fire on the people there. For this mortal….1 cor 15:53. Isnt that talking about the saints only and not the rest of the lost sheep…that shall have immortality and not the lost souls?

            • Slade

              It says in the bible death swallowed up in victory but God also casts death in the lake of fire. So the people with physical bodies should die there too after the resurrection

            • Skywatcher

              “Holy fire”, Slade, where did you come up with that concept? Fire is fire! In the burning bush scenario, God told Moses to remove his sandals because he was on “holy GROUND”. Nothing was said about “holy fire”! That’s just how easy it is to twist Scripture!

              The point I was making is that the bush and chariot were NOT consumed by the fire. You easily bypassed that truth and launch out into another fallacy.

              Again, re: I Cor. 15: 53, you’re taking it out of context. Paul is addressing Christians at Corinth and explaining to them that our mortal BODIES will be changed to immortal BODIES.

              Each and every person alive today is IMMORTAL, in that our soul and spirit live forever…in whichever destination we choose: Heaven or Hell. Our bodies will ALL die, but we will NOT all have the same destination, i.e. Christians will go to Heaven, and those who’ve rejected God’s free gift of salvation have chosen to go to Hell.

              Again, That’s just how easy it is to twist Scripture! Take a little snippet here and another there and make a false doctrine out of it! In most cases, the perpetrator knows full well what they are doing in such instances, and they are NOT of God!

      • Donna R Brown

        I keep seeing reference to brother jimmy but couldn’t figure out who it was, but then I saw you mention he wrote this article. Just to let you know, it was written by Brother Geoffrey, who manages this site. Definitely not trying to argue, just wanted to be sure credit if given where due. Have A good night 🙂

        • Skywatcher

          Hey there, Sister Donna!

          I don’t mean to argue either, but if you look at the credit at the top of the page (under the title), it says Jimmy Randolph is the author.

          God bless you abundantly!

          • Donna R Brown

            Thanks for clarifying! I was all mixed up, there! I love the people who are regulars here. Look at the kind and gentle way you all corrected my mistake. Thanks! And yes, Brother Jimmy did a wonderful job on this article, as Brother Geoffrey does with his. Keep up the great work your doing to increase our royal family… Time is running out for people to have the opportunity to accept Jesus. D

        • kiwiwatcher

          mmm weird……my posted “6 HORRIFIC FACTS ABOUT HELL THAT YOUR PASTOR NEVER TOLD YOU” has been written by a Jimmy Randolph – who looks very much like the smiling Jimmy who has posted in the comments sections

        • This article on Hell was indeed written by Bro. Jimmy 🙂

    • David Flynn

      one verse fits youDan.lean not to your own understanding!!! go in peace and know youve heard.you dont need to rant over other beliefs. if your right youll know soon! Its sad when you dont read GODs word and believe!

    • Virginia Dare`

      Dude, you don’t know my pastor. Mind your own.

      • Skywatcher

        Dear Virginia, if I were your pastor, I’d be very ashamed of you! Your attitude was not loving, kind, or evidence that you clearly understood what our brother was saying.

        Our brother Jimmy wasn’t personally picking on YOUR pastor in his article! I didn’t see your pastor’s name mentioned in the article. But, it appears, he may have “hit the nail on the head” and your comment has made it abundantly clear that YOUR pastor apparently is NOT preaching the whole truth, and he will be accountable to Almighty God for that one day. I truly hope he repents and rethinks his position on preaching ALL the Word of God, as, “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine,, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” 2 Tim. 3: 15, 16.

        Slow down, take a breath, and carefully read the article. Remember, if you have a pastor, and he’s teaching all of God’s Word, you have nothing to be hot under the collar about, nor do you have a reason to be tossing “fiery darts of the wicked” around in defense of the same.

        However, it is incumbent upon you, a sheep in your pastor’s fold, to approach him and to ask him WHY he is neglecting this extremely paramount doctrine of the Holy Bible. His answer may give pause for you to seriously ask yourself the question, “Is this the church that God would have me to be fellowshipping with?”

        Don’t leave it up to the flesh to make your decision! LISTEN very carefully to what the Holy Spirit says to you from within, providing you are indeed, a born again child of God. If not, you won’t hear His voice from within, and you will need to humbly bow before the Lord and ask for forgiveness of sin and acceptance into His royal household of faith: John 1: 12.

        Much love in Christ,

        Skywatcher

    • Thomas

      So, if God is omniscient ( all knowing ), and He is, why would He put a tree in the middle of the garden knowing they were going to eat it, knowing that trillions of souls would burn for eternity? Why bother creating us knowing most of what He created is going to be in torment forever? Thats not a win for Him. An atheist once asked me this. I told him id get back to him. I never did, because i presented it to several scholars and no one had an answer, besides some trifling free will garbage and some other typical menial answers. So, from what ive seen here theres noone knowledgable enough to answer it, but you can give it a whirl if youd like

      • carson

        titus 2:14 purify unto Himself a peculiar people..
        you could also ask why did God create the angels since sin was found in one of them leading to him and others leaving their places before God.
        Did God not love the angels too?
        Some things will be fully revealed in heaven but to get stuck on the mysteries and then ignore the most pressing need, salvation in Christ, is just another ploy of the world the flesh and the devil to keep people away from life in Christ.
        Everything written will be fulfilled luke 21:22, so the lake of fire is real and sin and more and what to do what to do..get stuck on secondary or mysteries and fail to escape the judgements for sin and unbelief? it’s like a car heading fast to the 300ft cliff and everyone inside is stuck on what radio station should be on, hitting the brakes might be the more pressing need huh.

        Jeremiah 17, the heart/nature of man is deceitful and desperately wicked..could making the focus be on the more mysteries instead of the pressing issue’s be one way the flesh nature deceives? you bet. Wake up hit the brakes Christ came to save sinners and we’re all sinners in need of Christ today. no man knows the number of his day’s either.

        Also with things it’s not we who decide what is a good reason, it’s not our call, but God’s, and some things rather test us to see if we’ll submit to God’s word and let God be God and trust Him in all He’s done and doing and will do, He doesn’t reveal everything in full to us now, and does He have to? no. Being stuck on ‘it’s our idea of what is a good reason’ is pride, are we to walk in pride, judging God and what is a good reason or not? no.
        The book of Job is another doozy, why did all that happen, no matter, praise the Lord He is good and faith is of more value then gold 1st peter 1:7.

      • First of all, every single human person that has ever lived has the option to go to Heaven. But not everyone does. Why? Well, to answer that question, just go street preaching for a couple of hundred hours or so and you will see with your own eyes why Hell is filled to overflowing. Most people do not want God! Yet, God is patient, kind and loving and gives people nearly endless chances to get saved. Now, the part that is a “win” for God is that the people who do get saved do it because they love God, not because they are forced to. God doesn’t want robots, He wants people who will love Him. Heaven will be filled with people who honestly, actually and truthfully love God. Everyone gets to choose, God is not a Calvinist. He allows every human being to make that choice to accept Him or reject Him. For those who reject, He honors their choice by placing them in the only location that God will not be in eternity – Hell. He allows the whole, human drama to play out, and everyone gets to spend eternity where their heart leads them.

        • Donna R Brown

          Geoffrey, you’re right. He never forced us to follow Him, we’ve been given free will to make the decision that will determine our eternal destination. He wanted it to be our choice, and out of love, not by force.
          But there has been something on my mind. I love the Lord, truly. Can’t imagine a life without Him, His gift of salvation is from such a great love!
          But there is a part of me that is also glad I’m born again because hell is such an awful place, agony and torment forever, without the love of Jesus Christ to nurture and sustain us.
          What does that say about me that I’ve allowed fear to be even partly one of the reasons I accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as my Savior.
          What does this say? I’m just relieved that He’s so merciful and understands where our heart is in such matters. His mercy is my only hope. Please talk to me about this? I suspect I’m not alone in these thoughts.

        • Bro. Nick

          Geoffrey – Brother, Indeed everyone has the decision to make – accept “the free gift” of Biblical Salvation on “the LORD God’s” terms – – – or reject it with the Biblically forewarned consequences.
          – for those of us who do not have the gift of street preaching – all I have to do is read the increasing numbers of adversarial comments and false statements made by those who reject the literal truths that are written in “the word of the Lord” – not only about your Biblically sound articles – but others as well.
          These more and more common comments of denial, and outright lies about the rightly divided words of truth are being made by ‘hireling pastors’ – and many who ‘occupy the pews’ is also found at the ever-fewer Biblically sound messages on YouTube.

          It is my Biblical understanding that spiritual confusion – and delusions – and deceptions – and deliberate deceits are on an exponential increase.
          More and more folks that a few months ago were supportive of Biblical Truth are now adversarial and denying that which is written in “the word of the Lord” – which is fulfilling Biblical Prophecy:
          [16] For all that is in the world,
          the lust of the flesh,
          and the lust of the eyes,
          and the pride of life,
          is not of the Father, but is of the world.
          [17] And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof:
          but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
          [18] Little children, it is the last time:
          and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come,
          even now are there many antichrists;
          whereby we know that it is the last time.
          [19] They went out from us,
          but they were not of us;
          for if they had been of us,
          they would no doubt have continued with us:
          but they went out,
          that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
          (1 John, Chapter 2, KJB)
          .

      • Ashley

        I don’t have an answer for you specifically, but I have always struggled with that question myself. The eating fruit off a tree sounded ludicrous to me. Not sure if it would be helpful to you, but I recently read “The Fall of Man” by Jonathan Shaver. His take is that the forbidden fruit was actually sexual sin. It’s a short read and made a whole lot more sense to me than the fruit tree scenario.

        As to the “whys”, I’ve personally just had to make peace with myself that I won’t fully understand in this lifetime.

        • kiwiwatcher

          Genesis 1:27
          “So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.”

          As in God’s image with similar qualities – every one has been created with ‘free will’ and responsibilities – the right to make a choice. How that option is carried out is up to the individual and hence, the resulting consequences.

          Isaiah 48:17-18
          “Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.
          O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:”

          Matthew 22:37-39
          “Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
          This is the first and great commandment.
          And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.”

          But because we are a big fail – He provided the ultimate sacrifice.
          John 3:16
          “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

          As brother Geoffrey said – God does not wish to be worshipped by ‘programmed robots.’ He seeks worship from people who desire to have a personal, vibrant and truthful relationship with Him. How cool is that??

          John 4:23-24
          “But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
          God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”

        • Skywatcher

          Ashley, “sex” was NOT the original sin, as erroneously taught by the R.C. cult! If it was sin, why would God command Adam and Eve to “be fruitful and to multiply (sin)?!

          God is bound by His eternal Word; He can NEVER go back on it, and much less will He command His children to commit sin!

          The original sin was disobedience to God! They did NOT do as they were told and they experienced guilt and shame for the very first time. Strange how that trait is still very much alive and active in our children and ourselves to this very day!

          As a rhetorical question, does a married couple experience guilt and shame before God and each other after a wonderful sexual interlude? I dare say NOT! It was intended!

        • Thomas

          Dont feel bad ashley noone else has an answer either, except for dan. There were some entertaining ideas, i have to admit.One thing is for sure, He’s a good good Father. After working with me for 2 yrs, that atheist admitted to me that he thought its possible there might be a supreme being out there. So thats an improvement. Thanks gals and guys for your imput. God bless and spend more time telling others about Jesus than on this board. 🙂

      • Dan

        What I do know Thomas is GOD doesn’t mind us asking questions and the answer to your question is no one knows. What I do know is that I trust him ; I trust GOD has everything under control and it’s as simple that.

        The irony may be that simple trust or lack there of is what got us here in the first place. I think its poetic that GOD after all this time brings us back to that simple thing (TRUST) Praise GOD!

      • Matt

        You’re not alone, Thomas. I’ve dealt with this same question too.

        The hard truth is that on this side of eternity, there’s some things we just don’t understand yet. I’ve thought several times about why God put the Tree there. He knew Adam and Eve would take the fruit, He knew they’d sin… yet… He created them anyway. He created ALL of us knowing in advance all of our sins, failures, blasphemies, etc. To me… that proves we must be pretty significant to God if He went ahead and created us anyways, despite our sin. He wants us to come to Him of our own choice.

        Besides, isn’t it better to be given the chance to play the game of life than to not play at all? Football teams know full well they could lose, but they still take the chance and play anyway.

        I confess I know not why God has done some of the things He’s done. His understanding surpasses my own narrow viewpoint. He sees the whole picture. I can barely see beyond my own nose. But I’m certainly not going to let a few unanswered questions keep me from being saved when the evidence for Christ’s death and resurrection and the historical reliability of the Bible is so huge.

        Besides, atheists have a long list of questions they never can answer beyond tottering, mish-mashed rhetoric. They’ve never once explained how ALL OF THIS, everything we see… resulted from nothing.

        Have you ever thought nothing? I mean really, truly thought about nothing? Most atheists and agnostics picture it as a black, empty void, but that’s where they make their first categorical mistake. Nothing is NO. THING. There is no void! There is no vast empty space! Because empty space is still technically something. Before God created all that you see, our universe was in a state of pure non-existence. No gravity, no energy, no laws, no particles… nothing. Nada. Zilch. No space or voids or stark emptiness to be found. Try to picture that. It’s impossibly hard, isn’t it?

        And no atheist has ever given a satisfactory answer to this dilemma about how the universe came about. Stephen Hawking drooled out the gravity theory but that’s laughable. Gravity is a law and laws need a Lawmaker. With atheism, nothing makes sense. But with God, my life and the universe makes plenty of sense. There may be some questions we can’t answer… but DON’T let that keep you from coming to Christ.

        • Skywatcher

          That was an excellent answer, Matt! Very valuable input!

      • 1 John 4:1

        Why do you rebuff accountability of free will? Please answer this question.

        Are you aware numerous individuals want to be gods themselves or create deities? “From cosmism to deism” is an article that is hostile to the Kingdom of God. This is one example of free will.

        I thank the Holy Spirit for those who witness to these types of individuals.

        I am thankful the fruit from the Tree of Life will not be given to those who not only hate every attribute of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, but hate Him.

        Genesis 2:9

        And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

        Genesis 2:17

        But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

        Gensis 3:5

        For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

        Genesis 3:11

        And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

        Genesis 3:22

        And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

        Genesis 3:24

        So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

      • Concerned

        That’s because God swore by Himself and will not relegate on anything. When we remain faithless He remains faithful.
        God put his nature and image into man and we have the DNA of Him. He created man pure. However Satan was cast out way before man was created and man still had a choice. He should have stayed connected fully to God and not be beguiled by the serpent. Remember God in His love made provision before the foundation of the earth. The lamb was slain before the foundation of the earth. That’s because God would not go back on His word
        The trees were pre planned to be in the garden and God had to let them be.

      • Skywatcher

        Thomas, I too, was once where you are in this question. What I came to discover was this: what better way for God to show His love to us than to devise a scheme (forbidden fruit/disobedience/broken fellowship, etc.), wherein He would have to prove how great that love was by sacrificing Himself to save us! That’s a totally genius plan if I ever saw one!

        How could we ever possibly know that His love was that great if He wasn’t willing to lay aside His all (which we cannot ever fully comprehend), to pay the ransom that was required for our souls! He knew we couldn’t “make the mark”; He knew we were helpless and hopeless to pay sin’s debt if left up to us. Yet, He reached down to us when we were His enemies, Rom. 5: 8!

        He didn’t need us or anything that we had to offer, because we own nothing; we are nothing without Him; He owns it all…lock, stock, and barrel as they say. He could’ve erased Adam and Eve out with their first mistake, but would that really be who God is? The God of absolute mercy and compassion? Of course not.

        Now, are we smarter than a fifth grader and going to take advantage of God’s free gift of salvation or let it go by, to haunt us for all eternity. If I had to go to Hell and ultimately into the Lake of Fire for all eternity, I’d be tortured the most with regret and remorse! Forever, in pain, I’d be screaming out, “Why? Why didn’t I? Why didn’t I accept God’s amazing grace and His offer to bypass this place?! WHY???!!! Each and every time I had been granted an opportunity or it came to my recollection, the visions of those opportunities would FOREVER play in my “mind’s eye”, non-stop, like a cassette tape with no end…over and over and OVER! Is that what you and others on here would like to experience? W/out Christ as Savior, that’s exactly what you have in this moment of time.

        Thomas, there are plenty of scholars out there who knew the answer to your question; you just went to the wrong ones who didn’t know enough of God’s Word to give you a satisfying answer. “Biblical scholars” are a dime a dozen, especially the rockin’ chair types who get their theology online and not in an organized and critical Bible study or forum such as this. Even on sites like this, I see numerous “takes” on very deceptive comments. People are very quick to grasp at a gnat, but they swallow a camel…and the manure that follows! 🙂 Don’t be one of them! Search out God’s Word, and ask the Author of the Book (Holy Spirit) to reveal the truth to you! He will!

    • David Flynn

      the very warning of hell stirs the nest.out of fright brings weird religiuos babble! like : you dont know my pastor! you are responsable to learn the word !!! church gatherings are for praise and worship.in modern day churches your not likely to learn any truth! thats why Jesus did what he for us. we are like dumb sheep, so he made it easy!!! learn the reason and ypu can quit arguing over everthing else.He is the way!!!!! STUDY JESUS THE CHRIST. WITH BRO. DAVE

      • Heather

        With out a dought, Francis’ One World Religion Antichrist Church and Government will deem this article to be hate speech. Thank you Jimmiy for posting this article of truth based on scripture from the word of God!

    • carson

      the worldly might teach that ‘endure until the end’ means don’t take the mark and that merits heaven, but no pre-wrath believer say’s that, refusing the mark doesn’t gain anyone heaven, but it keeps the door open that they might still be saved, taking the mark is a door closing to ever being saved.
      john 15 and many others, Christ the Vine, abide..so who doesn’t endure, abide? I get that the article wasn’t saying stop abiding in Christ but it seems to be saying those who are not pre-trib are saying that enduring means only refusing the mark but I don’t know any who say that and still call themselves believers. it takes Christ to have life, not simply being without the mark, a person without the mark can still be without Christ and thus does not have life, have Christ have life He is the only way truth and life and none who have Christ will take the mark rev 12:11 and others.

      • That’s a major straw man that pre-wrath believers need to lie about in order to hold on to that heresy. The straw man is that the wrath of God only exist when it’s PHYSICALLY being manifest. That is a lie.

        The Bible says that the wrath of God abides on a lost man NOW, even though he may live 100 or so years of pleasure on earth before he drops into Hell and God’s wrath is PHYSICALLY manifested on him (John 3:36 KJV).

        This is the same in the time of Jacob’s trouble. God’s wrath abides during the entire time of Jacob’s trouble even though it doesn’t PHYSICALLY occur in the beginning; therefore, there is NO SUCH THING as a “pre-wrath” tribulation.

        The Bible is very clear on this:

        Rev 14:9-10
        And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

        The mark of the beast exist at the very beginning of the time of Jacob’s when the anti-Christ is revealed; so is God’s wrath although it’s not PHYSICALLY manifested until later.

        • carson

          pre-wrath means pre 7 vials of the wrath of God, Then you can study the 7 seals and 7 trumps and the wordings, those are not called 7 seals of the wrath of God or 7 trumps of the wrath of God for instance whereas the 7 vials are termed vials of wrath rev 15 rev 16.
          Yes the wrath of God abides even now on the children of wrath, but the abiding wrath is not the specific 7 vials of wrath.

          rev 7, these are those who came out of the GREAT trib, so they saw some portion of the GREAT trib..
          GREAT trib =matthew 24:15-21..the abomination THEN Great trib..
          the seating/empowerment of the anti-christ, 42 months rev 13, Great trib era.
          rev 15, these overcame the mark and worship (yet obviously had Christ or they’d not be there in heaven), yet seen in heaven just prior to the 7 vials of wrath being brought out to then be poured out, pre-wrath is pre 7 vials of wrath.

          • According to Revelation, the Rapture of the Church happens before ANY of the judgements fall. We see the rapture in Revelation 4:1,2, and no judgments happen until Revelation 6:1 with the seals. The Rapture of the Church is Pre-Everything…

    • Skywatcher

      Warmest greetings, Brother Geoffrey!

      For the life of me, as hard as I look at the passage in Rev. 4:1,2…I cannot see any evidence for the Rapture. As you know, I’m a Pre-trib rapture believer, but it is there, especially when I carefully look at each word, see it literally and take it into careful context.

      John is implying that the voice he is hearing is as loud and clear as a trumpet; he’s NOT referring to the trumpet of I Thess. 4: 16.

      The “come up hither” is an invitation to John, as clearly evidenced in v. 2, and NOT to the Church. I agree as you say, “The Rapture of the Church is Pre-Everything…”, but we MUST keep it in context.

      • These are the facts as they stand: John represents the Church, as the “disciple Jesus loved”. Jesus loved the Church and gave Himself for it. Revelation 1-3 is, among other things, the Church age. At the end of chapter 3, the Church age ends and is not seen on Earth until the end of Revelation 19. Revelation 4 starts with “and after these things”, which is to say after the Church age, John is raptured out to Heaven in his vision. This is not the Rapture per se, it is the Rapture in type. What happens in Heaven is a joyous reunion among believers in chapter 4, then in chapter 5 we have the opening of the book of judgment. In Revelation 6, the Antichrist is revealed and the Tribulation starts. So we see that before any judgments, seals, bowls or vials are opened, the Church is gone and safely in Heaven.

        • kiwiwatcher

          Perfect interpretation of scripture brother Geoffrey.

          John 16:13
          “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.”

          And I have poster ‘John’ to thank for bringing Rev 4:1 to my attention

          • kiwiwatcher

            Blessings Ann

            Can you explain when you said -“Understand me I ONLY use the King James 1611 Bible and a Strong’s concordance , NO COMMENTARIES FROM MAN only Holy Ghost is my teacher.” – whatever do you mean???

            How do you reconcile your claim of piety, when your posted comment is virtually a copy and paste from your good friend, the twisted pastor Steven L Anderson of the Faithful Word Baptist Church Temple of Arizona.

            Refer to Now The End Begins – Baptist Paster Steven Anderson says Jewish Holocaust Survivors are all “paid liar.”

            Methinks your Holy Ghost is not my Holy Ghost.
            Matthew 7:15
            “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”

        • Bro. Nick

          Geoffrey – Thank you Brother for your clear “rightly dividing” of “the truth” of ‘the pre-tribulation Rapture’ illustrated ‘in type’ in ‘The Revelation of Jesus Christ’, Chapter 4, KJV – which is given for those who have “an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day.”

          I recently read the comment – ‘The Rapture is not about the appearance of the Antichrist,
          nor is it about the Tribulation,
          nor is it about God’s wrath being poured out upon the wicked world;
          but rather, the Rapture is all about the return of OUR DEAR LORD and SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST!!!’

          My Biblical understanding is that another ‘Rapture in type’ is of Lot and his two daughters being ‘Raptured’ out of Sodom before the “wrath” of “the Lord God Almighty” fell – as it is written in Genesis, Chapter 18, KJV:
          [23] ¶ And Abraham drew near, and said,
          Wilt thou also destroy THE RIGHTEOUS WITH the wicked?
          [24] Peradventure there be FIFTY RIGHTEOUS within the city:
          wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for THE FIFTY RIGHTEOUS that are therein?
          [25] That be far from thee to do after this manner,
          TO SLAY THE RIGHTEOUS with the wicked:
          AND THAT THE RIGHTEOUS SHOULD BE as the wicked,
          that be far from thee:
          ~ SHALL NOT THE JUDGE OF ALL THE EARTH DO RIGHT?
          .

      • Hi Skywatcher,

        I would agree with you that Rev4:1-2 is not referring to the rapture. This is one guy being caught up to heaven. The rapture is not one guy being caught up to heaven. The rapture is all believers through the ages, dead in Christ and those alive in Christ who remain, every saint that’s ever lived an innumerable multitude, that’s going to be caught up in rapture not a single guy. At the rapture a trumpet will sound not a voice like a trumpet. Like a trumpet is talking about the volume of the voice. Isaiah 58:1 Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins. John is saying he heard a loud voice like a trumpet. There is no trumpet in this verse sounding. So there’s one guy, no trumpet and no mention of Christ coming in the clouds. When John gets to heaven, Jesus is seated at the right hand of the father. Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. There’s no Christ descending coming in the clouds or us meeting him in the air “The Gathering”. No mention of John meeting Christ in the air. Also, Rev 4 vs 2 says: And immediately I was in the spirit: therefore John was not physically or bodily caught up into heaven. At the rapture there will be a bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ and we which are alive and remain will be caught up bodily to meet Christ in the air. We will be changed in a twinkling of an eye, will receive a new glorified body. Rapture is not a spiritual occurrence it is a bodily, physical occurrence caught up to Jesus. So, no trumpet, no clouds, no Lord descending, no bodily catching up and one guy vs a multitude . There are other scriptures in the Bible that talk about people being carried away in the Spirit. For example Eze 37:1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones, He did not physically go there but brought in the Spirit. A lot of times men in the Bible stayed physically in their body where they were. Ezekiel was not present in Jerusalem when these things happened. Instead, he was in exile in Babylonia. But Ezekiel still saw these events. He saw them in a visions, by the power of God’s Holy Spirit. On some occasions, it seemed as if the Holy Spirit lifted him up in order to take him back to Jerusalem. Each time, Ezekiel recorded carefully the things that he saw. Ezekiel 8, 9, 10. In a vision saw people bowing down to idols, worshiping idols and much more.
        End note, Scofield reference bible has promoted a lot of what is be debated today within the body of Christ. He radically changed the context of the KING James Bible. Please folks research Scofield. Understand me I only use the King James 1611 Bible and a Strong’s concordance , no commentaries from man only Holy Ghost is my teacher.

        • I agree with you Ann 100%! Scofield Bible is from the pits of hell!!!

        • Skywatcher

          Thank you, Ann! You said exactly what I was too tired to say last evening. You did a mighty fine job of it too!

          Keep up the great work, sister! We need more women to speak up for Christ like you have just done! I never had a Scofield Bible, so am not aware of its biases, etc.

          Your input is gratefully appreciated!

          • kiwiwatcher

            Ann and Skywatcher – I would respectfully suggest that you both are agreeing with brother Geoffrey. He said “This is not the Rapture per se, it is the Rapture in type.” Brother Geoffrey NEVER said Rev 4:1 was ‘the Rapture.’

            I totally agree with brother Geoffrey as John being caught up in the Spirit to visit Heaven is a rapture type, to be showed “things which must be hereafter,’ and fits perfectly in the sequence of events.

            Revelation is just that – to reveal.

            Type is a spiritual methodology widely used throughout the Scriptures which cements the Bible (while having numerous human scribes) as the truly inspired Word of God.

            It is never presented as an exact form, but more of a ‘likeness’ or similar, to resemble in some essential feature. Types are picture lessons by which God teaches people of His grace and saving power.

            Paul is familiar with the term type (tupos) which occurs 16 times in the New Testament.

            Romans 5:14 “Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure (tupos) of him that was to come.”

            Others similar terms include ‘skia’ which is rendered “shadow’ in Colossians 2:17. The greek word ‘hupodeigma’ has been referred to in the scriptures as ‘copy’ or ‘pattern.’ Parables are another method of transmitting a type.

            The brazen serpent, lifted up in the wilderness, through which the people found physical healing (Numbers 21:8) was a type of the lifted-up Christ (John 3:14; 12:32), through whom spiritual healing comes (Isaiah 53:5).

            • Hi kiwiwatcher,

              To say this is a typology of the rapture is a big stretch. Your taking a scripture about one guy being caught up to heaven and spiritualizing or allegorize “interpret or represent symbolically” scripture to fit your own idea’s about what the text should mean.

            • Ann – you are 100% right again. If John going up to the third heaven is typology for the rapture, then why did John come back to earth to write the book of Revelation!!! Just saying!!!

            • kiwiwatcher

              mmmm small stretch thankfully. As I said a type. Man on earth entering heaven without dying. Nothing more or less. The sequence of events being of key importance here.

              An obvious big stretch which you are welcome to, if wishing to pursue exacting parallels…eg ‘one guy,’ etc, which is NOT a type.

    • kiwiwatcher

      Having only just seen/noticed this particular scripture in the last few days – I am so waiting with bated breath (smiling)

    • John Hazlett

      It is true that God is a God of love, everything He does, is in love. But God is also just. Love is not love without justice. His wrath is not a temper tantrum simply because He’s not getting His way, for one, He’s King of the universe, and if we reject Him and His Law, it’s treason. That’s for starters, if we hurt others, then as a parent who’s justifiably angry when someone hurts one’s child, God is angry with sinners. If we read the book of Romans, we are not just sinners, we’re enemies of God. And even in this state, He loves us so much, to send Jesus to die for us. When we leave this life, we become immortal in eternity. So if we are saved, that will be our eternal state. If we are lost, that becomes our immortal, eternal state. We have that choice, He gave it to us. But make no mistake, God warned us, that it will be our final, eternal condition.

      • Bro. Nick

        John Hazlett – Well said – and I thank “the Lord God Almighty” for your being given strength and boldness to ‘tell it like it is’.
        As it is written in “the word of the Lord” in 1 Peter, Chapter 4 ~ KJV:
        [17] For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:
        and if it first begin at us,
        what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
        [18] And if the righteous scarcely be saved,
        where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
        .

    • Deborah

      All the time, I thank God for saving me; after reading this article, even more thankful! Thanks for the reality check. It is so sad to think of the people on that highway who don’t even realize how bad their destination is going to be. Many even make jokes about it: all my friends will be there, we’ll party on and then it will end, etc. So sad for them. Lord, help us to act on the urgency of the moment in reaching souls for Christ!

    • Dean

      interested in this debate about hell.I will follow the comments.

    • John

      Awful mind game to control people.

    • MRH

      NTEB: Stop with the Dante Inferno fairy tales already 🙄 The bible clearly declares that ‘hell’ represents the grave, or state of the dead 😉

      Psa 30:3 KJV – O LORD, thou hast brought up my soul from the grave: thou hast kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit.

      Psa 49:15 KJV – But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave: for he shall receive me. Selah.

      Psa 88:3 KJV – For my soul is full of troubles: and my life draweth nigh unto the grave.

      Psa 89:48 KJV – What man is he that liveth, and shall not see death? shall he deliver his soul from the hand of the grave? Selah.

      Psa 86:13 KJV – For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell.

      Pro 23:14 KJV – Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

      Mat 10:28 KJV – And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

      Act 2:27, 31 KJV – Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. … He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

      FYI: The story of the rich man and Lazarus is a parable, as were all tales Jesus told the masses 😉

      Mat 13:34-35 KJV – All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

      Luk 12:16 KJV – And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully:

      Luk 16:1, 19 KJV – And he said also unto his disciples, There was a certain rich man, which had a steward; and the same was accused unto him that he had wasted his goods. … There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

      Three parables containing the phrase ‘certain rich man’, but only one states ‘parable’. Also these three same phrase instances are the only ones in the entire bible, and all contained in Luke. Those folk whom understand storybook narrative should be able to see the logic? 😉

      People go read your KJV bibles and stop believing traditional nonsense 💡 Furthermore, God is just, NOT a sadist. When God destroys he DESTROYS! In the end Satan, and his angels, and clan will be eliminated forever 😀

      Gen 6:13 KJV – And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

      Eze 28:19 KJV – All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

      Mal 4:1 KJV – For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

      Lexicon :: Strong’s H4229 – machah (destroy) = wipe out, blot out, obliterate, exterminate. Or the modern word annihilate 😉

      P.S. Ok, if the above proofs against traditional ‘hell’ doctrine doesn’t convince you, then keep on taking the BLUE (sleeper) pill :idea :(: And when you’re ready for the RED (awakening) pill.. give me a call 💡 🙂

      • Hell is a real, actual, permanent place filled with flames and torment. Jesus said so Himself. Here is exactly what happens to people in Hell.

        “And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.” Luke 16:23,24 (KJV).

        The rich man was not killed, he did not “cease to exist”, and he was not “in the grave”. He was in HELL. But you would have to believe the Bible to come to that conclusion.

        • Skywatcher

          Bro. Geoffrey, aren’t you tired of beating you head up against the wall yet? You can’t turn this SDA around; he doesn’t want to be. Says he’s not influenced by their teaching, but his words say just the opposite.

          If he’s not influenced by them, then my question is, “Why does he continue to unabashedly defend their erroneous teaching?

          Something wrong with this picture!

          Your comments are on target. Stop wasting your time with this cat, my brother!

          • MRH

            @Skywatcher: For the umpteenth time, I’m not SDA, nor do I agree with all of their doctrine. I only agree with what the bible declares, as I’ve clearly stated here regarding ‘hell’ topic. And I’ve supplied plenty of scriptural proof to support my case. But if you deluded folk can’t see the truth in matter, then that’s not my problem. Remember that the blind Jewish leaders were denied Jesus’ messiah claim, even though there was scriptural evidence to prove it.

        • MRH

          @Geoffrey Grider: There was no rich man or Lazarus, the story is a parable, as with all of Jesus’ public preaching. So if you believe this story is real, then you have to make all the others stories real, regardless if they say parable or not. Or rather accept Jesus’ words? 😉

          Mar 4:33-34 KJV – And with many such parables spake he the word unto them, as they were able to hear it. But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.

          Do you not understand the phrase; ‘without a parable’? Seems to me Jesus ONLY spoke in parables to the populace? The latter consisting of; Jewish leaders, common Jews, and disciples. Whomever was present at the time. The private chats were off stage.

          Anyway, this story was directed at the Pharisees (and in public, right after the parable of the steward unto the disciples), in regards to their hypocrisy. It was not intended to be a literal description of heaven and hell. Consider the following? 💡

          Luk 16:1, 14-15 KJV – And he said also unto his disciples, There was a certain rich man, which had a steward; and the same was accused unto him that he had wasted his goods. … And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him. And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

          The message in the parable is that of Jesus future resurrection, and the continued denial by the Jews. It also could be referencing the real Lazarus whom Jesus raised, and still the Jews were in disbelief. In fact they plotted to kill Lazarus afterward. Maybe you failed to read the scripture? 😉

          Jhn 12:9-11 KJV – Much people of the Jews therefore knew that he was there: and they came not for Jesus’ sake only, but that they might see Lazarus also, whom he had raised from the dead. But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death; Because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus.

          Regarding the above parable, you missed three important elements 😉

          Luk 16:22, 31 KJV – And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; … And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

          The rich man was not killed, he did not “cease to exist”, and he was not “in the grave”.

          Really? Do you not understand the words ‘died’ and ‘buried’? As I recall, ‘buried’ = dead body in a grave? Jesus also was in the grave (tomb), before his later resurrection 😉

          Also the last sentence is the key unto the prophetic message. And if you can’t see it, then you are also blinded by your pride 🙁

          P.S. I think you might want to do deeper research into death and hell matters? 💡 Or simply stick to the basics of salvation? 💡 Or just keep taking the BLUE pill 💡

          • Bro. Nick

            MRH – By your continual private interpretations of “the scripture of truth” – you are an example and partial fulfillment of Biblical Prophecy” – just as “our beloved brother Paul” STRONGLY WARNED in
            2 Timothy, Chapter 2 ~ KJV:
            [1] This know also,
            that in the last days perilous times shall come.
            [2] For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
            [3] Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
            [4] Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
            [5] Having a form of godliness,
            but denying the power thereof:
            from such turn away.
            [6] For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
            [7] Ever learning,
            and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
            [8] Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses,
            so do these also resist the truth:
            men of corrupt minds,
            reprobate concerning the faith.
            [9] But they shall proceed no further:
            for their folly shall be manifest unto all men,
            as theirs also was.
            .

            • MRH

              @Pharisee: Why do you relentlessly falsely judge me, knowing that you will also be judged unto your wicked game? Your facade eludes me not! You are an impostor Christian and evil troll and damned!

            • Bro. Nick

              MRH – By your continued private interpretations of “THAT WHICH IS NOTED IN THE SCRIPTURE OF TRUTH” – you deny that which is clearly written in “THE WORD OF THE LORD” about “HELL” being “EVERLASTING”
              adjective: everlasting – lasting forever or for a very long time
              – synonyms: eternal, endless, never-ending, perpetual, undying, abiding, enduring, infinite, boundless, timeless, constant, continual, continuous, persistent, relentless, unrelieved, uninterrupted, unabating, endless, interminable, never-ending, nonstop, incessant
              – from Google search – everlasting – synonyms

              “… In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.” ~ 2 Corinthians 13:1b ~ KJV

              -1- Matthew 18:8 ~ KJV:
              “Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee:
              it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed,
              rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into EVERLASTING FIRE.”

              -2- Matthew 25:41 ~ KJV:
              “Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed,
              into EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels:”

              -3- Matthew 25:46 ~ KJV:
              “And these shall go away into EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT:
              BUT THE RIGHTEOUS INTO LIFE ETERNAL.”

              – CAPITALization of “THE WORDS OF THE LORD” are mine for emphasis – Bro. Nick

    • ntando

      hie @ Dean read the entire bible says then u will know God’s wrath and His love He never changes He is the same forever. Jimmy the bible let’s us know how to see if a church/pastor is teaching false doctrine in 1john 4 vs 1-3 . if that preacher is preaching Christ’s resurrection whatever else he/she is doing is btwn them and God i agree with evrything u wrote but i disagree with u using Joel Osteen’s picture refering to false preachers . He preaches Jesus be careful u don’t find urself because of attacking God’s anointed im not a member of his chur h but I think its dangerous to do so i dont mean to start an argument its just my opinion

      • Read 2 Corinthians 11 KJV. The devil preaches Jesus too. It’s just not the Jesus of the Holy Bible. Joel Osteen does not preach the Jesus of the Holy Bible either, Joel Osteen is an underground new ager.

        Did not fear Osteen’s title. Fear God’s words (Isaiah 66:2 KJV)

      • Skywatcher

        ntando, Jimmy is absolutely correct in what he is saying about Osteen. You might want to do a little research on that cat! He’s NOT of Christ’s fold, as evidenced in numerous interviews in which he hedges around very important doctrinal questions as the weasel that he is!

        How many false prophets did God command Elijah to kill in one day? Joel and a many great others are very fortunate that the stoning of false prophets isn’t part of our culture today…at least not yet! Osteen would be one of the first to be stoned…like many of his answers appear to be!

        He still has time to repent and to show remorse for the false gospel he’s pushing out there. We ought to be praying for such too!

        • Absolutely right, Skywalker and Jimmy!

          Smiling Joel Osteen is treading on thin ice when he teaches that “God is love and that’s really all ya gotta know.” Osteen’s con job has filled his offering plates and made him quite wealthy and well-known, but he departs materially from the full teachings of God’s word, the Bible, in their entirety. Sadly, the worldly trappings of success, evidenced in a growing ministry, money and heads, have deceived many a false teaching pastor and hi9s flock. Osteen is just the latest in a long line of con artists , charlatans and snake oil salesmen upon whom swift destruction will soon appear.

          I don’t expect him to come to his senses and confess and repent of his misleading many in these final days of the end times in which we now are living. End times prophecy indicates that such false teaching will increase in intensity, number and fervor as the day of Christ’s second coming looms close. Spiritual blindness and the strong delusion of 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 is rampant in our world today. These are signs that the end is very near.

          Thank you for your previous kind words; you too are teaching sound doctrine. Blessings to you and keep it up!

    • There is no fear of God before their eyes!! The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. We do not fully understand our God. The secret things belong to the Lord, the things revealed belong to us. We know God is Holy Holy Holy! He is pure and cannot look upon or tolerate sin! He is holy love, holy goodness, holy patience, holy faithfulness, holy grace, holy mercy, holy wrath.

      The “god” which the vast majority of professing Christians “love” is looked upon very much like an indulgent old man, who does not relish folly, but leniently winks at the sin’s of youth and is rather indifferent to sin in general, especially MY SIN. But my bible tells me that, “God hates (strong word) all the workers of iniquity.” Psa 5:5. And again, ” God is angry with the wicked every day.” Psa 7:11. But men refuse to believe in this God. Some think since Jesus has come, died for sin, and rose from the grave that God no longer holds a person accountable for his sin. But that is a lie! John 3:36 says, “He that believeth on the Son has everlasting life but he that believeth not the Son shall not see life but the wrath of God remains on him (right now)!”

      But men refuse to believe in this God, and so when sin is faithfully impressed upon them, they gnash their teeth when His hatred of sin is brought to their attention. No, man can’t tolerate this Holy God, which proves that man did not invent this Holy God nor devise the Lake of Fire in which God’s word says will be forever and forever.

      Since man cannot in himself meet the approval of infinite Purity he must bring God down on his level. He must have a god who he is comfortable with and approves or accepts him as he is. So man makes an idol “god” in his imagination; one that he can live with. A god of his own making who tolerates his sin.

      When we look at the true God we should tremble at his almighty power and holiness! We should realize how terrible sin is that it would merit the punishment of Hell. We should realize how terrible sin is that it would demand the death of the Son of God to pay it’s penalty.

      We should fall on our face before this Holy God and cry out for His mercy and grace to save us from our sin and the Lake of Fire, and grant us His free unmerited gift of eternal life. We should realize that death ends all opportunity to be reconciled to this Holy God! It is given unto man once to die and after this the judgment. Today is the day of salvation! How shall you escape if you neglect so great a salvation?

      Don’t presume upon this Holy God! Don’t distort His word to your own destruction! Call upon Jesus Christ to change your heart and grant you the grace to turn from sin and believe on Him now with all your heart!

      • Bro. Nick

        Believer – Well said, and I Thank You.

        I remember really thinking for the first time about the meaning of “THE FEAR OF THE LORD” written in Proverbs 8:13 ~ KJV:
        “THE FEAR OF THE LORD IS TO HATE evil:
        pride,
        and arrogancy,
        and the evil way,
        and the froward mouth, DO I HATE.”

        ~ and then seriously thinking about that which is written in the New Testament in Hebrews, Chapter 12 ~ KJV:
        [28] Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved,
        let us have grace,
        whereby we may serve God acceptably with REVERENCE and GODLY FEAR:
        [29] For our God is a consuming fire.

        That “the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy” hates evil, and that “the Lord Jesus Christ” will judge all who reject Him at ‘the Great White Throne Judgment’ and to “know the certainty of the words of truth” that are written in Revelation, Chapter 20 ~ KJV:
        [13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it;
        and DEATH and HELL delivered up the dead which were in them:
        and they were judged every man according to their works.
        [14] And DEATH and HELL were cast into THE LAKE OF FIRE.
        This is the second death.
        [15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into THE LAKE OF FIRE.

        ~ CAPITALization of “the word of the Lord” are mine for emphasis – Bro. Nick

    • nikki

      Can I just throw a few spanners in the works here.

      I most certainly am NOT a 7th day Adventist, just a FEMAIL evangelist who wrestled with God for many years over this doctrine.

      Mark 9 v 43-44 needs to read in tandem with Isaiah 66 from whence the New Testament is quoting.

      If we are to burn in hell for all eternity then can you explain why:

      Sodom and Gomorrah, an example of hell, is not still burning today? 2 peter 2 v 6
      Why the saved are promised the amazing gift of eternal life if the lost ALSO have eternal life, only in a torturous place? John 3 v 16
      What is the second death? Rev 2 v 11
      Why does the Bible say “Perish, death, destruction” but really mean live for ever but in an horrendous place.
      Why does God make man mortal, only to then give him immortality so that He can burn man for ever?
      Why does 2 Tim 6 v 16 say God ALONE is immortal when every one has immortality ie never dies?
      If Jesus paid the price for our sins, why did He not spend eternity in hell?
      Why do a life time (Say 70 years) of sin warrant eternity of torment? A Billion years pass and your eternal life sentence has only just begun!
      Why would God allow life to be born into a world that, it is impossible for one not to sin, and then torture that same person for all eternity for that very sin?..Romans 3 v 23
      Why is the Rich man and Lazarus the only non parable when Jesus came speaking in parables?
      Do we hear the lost in hell as Abraham did?
      How would one little drop of water quench the thirst?
      Why did Jesus use the actual name “Lazarus” of all names and say “they would not believe even if one rose for the dead” and then actually raise a man a called Lazarus from the dead and coincidentally the act also did not make the Pharisees believe?

      I could go on and on…

      Please do not get me wrong. Hell is real and the Lake of fire is real and your DO NOT want to go there BUT the point I am making is: There is enough in scripture to question this doctrine, that makes no sense and does not line up with the Character of God.

      One last point LUKE 9 V 51

      And it came to pass, when the time was come that He should be received up, He stedfastly set His face to go to Jerusalem, And sent messengers before His face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for Him. And they did not receive Him, because His face was as though He would go to Jerusalem. And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, WILT THOU THAT WE COMMAND FIRE TO COME DOWN from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But He turned, and rebuked them, and said, YE KNOW NOT WHAT MANNER OF SPIRIT YE ARE OF. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

      • MRH

        @nikki: All questions answered at my above comment below 😉

        http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=36464#comment-1325187

      • Dan

        Well said nikki, GOD told Daniel mankind would grow more intelligent in time. I believe this scares some of us and I have to admit I worry myself.
        But I must stay true to what I feel so I do.

        We must never lose sight of what’s important here and that is He has risen!

        This we all believe in.

        • kiwiwatcher

          mmm not sure about ‘mankind would grow more intelligent.’

          Daniel 12:4
          “But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.”

          Dashing about knowing a lot about evolution, false gods, alternative lifestyles, false salvation etc…..just doesn’t seem that clever at all.

          1 Timothy 4:1
          “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;”

          • Dan

            Knowledge shall increase is pretty clear.

            But if you don’t agree that’s fine.

            It’s no surprise to me that the Holy spirit is giving us more understanding as the end draws nearer.

            The problem is many become arrogant and some even believe there is no GOD because of it.

            So its understandable why GOD would withhold knowledge to his creation that he has allowed free will.

            Still be assured that GOD is in control so no worries here.

            • kiwiwatcher

              Huge difference between ‘intelligence’ – which is what you claimed Daniel had said…….

              and what he actually did say……which is “knowledge would be increased.”

              Daniel did not say what the knowledge would entail, but Timothy did.

            • Dan

              Kiwi from one who takes things literally too ; to another I stand corrected 🙂

              knowl·edge·a·ble
              ˈnäləjəb(ə)l/
              adjective
              intelligent and well informed.

            • kiwiwatcher

              As long the type showed in John 10:7 is not confusing to you.

              “Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.”

    • TeresaB

      The only place i see or hear of Christians arguing about Scripture is on Christian Blogs, now who would ever think that would happen. I guess He wants more from us than that

      • Teresa, where do you find any support for your “guess” from Scripture? Jude 3 tells God’s elect to contend earnestly for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. Today, the true gospel of Yahushua (Jesus of Nazareth) is under an all-out assault of distortion and yet you contend that true saints should overlook such damaging distortions and not contend earnestly for the true faith. Really? By whose authority do you speak? Certainly not by that of Yahushua or YHWH.

        This is why Paul teaches the elect in 1 Timothy 2:11-and in the transgression, and not the man. This may not be politically correct; but it is God’s truth. Those who are saved love God and Jesus. Those who love Jesus keep His commandments. Which ones? All of them. Including Jude 3.

    • Kat

      Enjoyed the article. Thanks

    • Mrs. Ronald Johnson sr.

      Wow what a powerful article. Thank you…I look forward to more God bless

    • kiwiwatcher

      Watchman on the Wall – Are you serious? Regarding the elect earlier.

      You said “The book of Hebrews makes it quite clear who Israel of the Bible is referring to.” But you failed to supply the relevant scriptures.

      Had a quick look myself but could not locate anything….could you post the relevant scriptures from Hebrews please.

      Just find it irrelevant who claims what in the secular world over what period…..prefer the scriptures

      Hebrews 13:8 “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever”

    • Rod

      I have discovered NTEB few weeks ago only, all the same i appreciate the message of Jesus Christ ,posts and all comments . iam wrinting from Africa , Angola . 01 of the aspect we need to take in consideration on the post if not the most important ; is the FALSE TEACHERS , FALSE PREACHERS .
      because they are sort of the reason of deception between mankind .
      In Africa we see a lot of them , there are proliferation of Church , sometime our naivety lead them to prosper or maybe could i say our simplicity to not hurt people give them great possibility …

      so much to talk about Christianity in Africa . but i have a question : , i need to know if William Marrion Branham was a false or true teacher ?
      iam a little bit confused about his words ,i need to read your comments and basis the Gospel , the Holy Spirit will light mysefl .

      Thanks in advance .

      • No, William Marrion Branham was a phony “faith healer” who claimed to have angels communicating with him. He fooled a lot of people who, because they didn’t know their Bible, believed a lie. This is what he said the “angel” said to him: His healing ministry was precipitated by a purported angelic visit on May 7, 1946. The luminescent messenger informed Branham: “God has sent you to take a gift of divine healing to the people of the world. If you will be sincere, and get the people to believe you, nothing shall stand before your prayer, not even cancer”

        Not only that, he denied that Jesus Christ was God – “The Spirit left Jesus in Gethsemane and He became just a man– When God looked down upon the body… (The Spirit left Him in the Garden of Gethsemane; He had to die a man.)” –It Is the Rising of the Sun, April 18, 1965

      • Bro. Nick

        Rod – I do sincerely pray that the following comments and information will be a help to you – Bro. Nick

        -1- About the increasing numbers of “false teachers” and “false prophets” found all around the world – please think about – ALL of those who are truly Biblically “born again” believers and followers of “our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ” must learn – and remember – and most seriously think and do that which Pastor Charles H. Spurgeon wrote over 100 years ago –

        “DISCERNMENT is not knowing the difference between right and wrong.
        It is knowing the difference between RIGHT
        – and ALMOST right.”

        -2- The following article should also be a help –
        ‘The Trial Of Spirits – Both In Teachers And Hearers’
        Apologetics Coordination Team (ACT)
        http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/thetrialofspirits.html

        -3- In answer to your question about William Marrion Branham – here is an excerpt from just one of many articles that I found –
        ‘William Branham – False Prophet’

        ‘Branham believed the Zodiac and the Egyptian Pyramids are EQUAL to scripture:
        So as far as Branham is concerned the Zodiac and Egyptian pyramids are equal to Scripture in the revelation of God’s Word. This might I add is also one of Franklin Halls strange beliefs that was passed onto Branham. –‘Adoption’, pp.31,104.

        Now we know that the Zodiac and the Pyramids play a huge part in the occult. So how on earth can the occult be equal to Scripture? Witchcraft, Astrology and New Age all use the pyramids and the zodiac for divination i.e., predicting the future. The pyramids are an essential holiday spot for occultists, witches, magicians, necromancers and many a demon/spirit. The narrow passages through-out the pyramids allowed for occult soul travel were mummified Kings and other notable people were buried with gold, food and other worldly possessions in the belief that their soul would need these things in the after-life. Pyramids also have an occult alignment with the stars i.e., the Zodiac.

        Let’s see what the bible says about this: Deuteronomy 18:9-12, KJV:
        [9] When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
        [10] There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.
        [11] Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
        [12] For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.” ‘ @ https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/05/09/william-branham-false-
        .

    • Isaiah 14:9-11 KJV

      9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at
      thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the
      chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones
      all the kings of the nations.
      10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also
      become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
      11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise
      of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms
      cover thee.

      Hell is real ! The abode of the dead, where the souls there
      can walk, talk, see and understand that Satan has become
      like them and cast into the grave. These people decided to
      pay the wages of sin themselves, death ! They refused the
      FREE gift of salvation offered through Jesus Christ.

      Jesus died in our place, a sinless man so that we might have
      life.

      1 John 3:5 (KJV)
      5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins;
      and in him is no sin.

      What more could a loving caring God do for us ?

      • MRH

        Hell is real ! The abode of the dead, where the souls there
        can walk, talk, see and understand that Satan has become
        like them and cast into the grave.

        Uhmm.. NO! The dead are NOT alive, they are dead until their resurrection!

        Ecc 9:5, 10 KJV – For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. … Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

        Psa 6:5 KJV – For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?

        Isa 38:18 KJV – For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.

        Jhn 5:28-29 KJV – Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

        P.S. Death equals oblivion, a timeless dark and silent void. Both Jesus and Paul associated death with sleep. People in a coma are oblivious to the world. Same thing when we sleep, we are in a world of dreams, separate from reality.

        • MRH, we have had this debate before, the bible is
          clear on eternal punishment, it’s for ever and ever
          and they have no rest day or night.

          Rev 14:9-11 KJV

          9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud
          voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and
          receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

          10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God,
          which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his
          indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and
          brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the
          presence of the Lamb:

          11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever
          and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship
          the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark
          of his name.

          • MRH

            @AU: You need to read bible context properly 💡

            Whom is being addressed above; dead, living?

            FYI To worship or receive one must be living? After all the dead can’t do anything but remain DEAD! Do corpses walk and talk, or lay silent?

            Rev 14:9-11 KJV concerns living people whom worship Satan [the beast] and his game [his image] and accept slavery [the mark] in the end of the world. Which is proving itself even now; demons ruling the world through puppets. Get my drift here or not?

            P.S. Take the BLUE pill, and when ready I’ll give you the RED pill 😉

            • MRH, I’m aware of the group whom I’m addressing, the
              point is the result for unbelievers is the same whether it is
              past, present or future. The scriptures clearly teach this !

              Matthew 8:29 (KJV)

              29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to
              do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come
              hither to torment us before the time?

              Now of course these are demons but they clearly know
              their fate yet future, they are to be tormented in the
              everlasting fire !

              Now another future event, this time it’s people who have
              rejected the salvation offered through Jesus Christ and
              determined their own unsuccessful means of survival !

              Matthew 25:41 (KJV)
              41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,
              Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared
              for the devil and his angels:

              So these people are going into an everlasting fire that
              the demons are going into to be tormented day and night
              As in Rev 14:11

              Now when we go back to the rich man and Lazarus, past
              event, it’s the same punishment ! Eternal torment ! These
              people are conscious and aware of their punishment as are
              the people in Isaiah 14:9.

              What’s with the blue pill / red pill stupidity ??

            • Dan

              No one seems to want to address these fine points ; why is that?

              nikki says:
              October 20, 2015 at 3:33 am
              Can I just throw a few spanners in the works here.

              I most certainly am NOT a 7th day Adventist, just a FEMAIL evangelist who wrestled with God for many years over this doctrine.

              Mark 9 v 43-44 needs to read in tandem with Isaiah 66 from whence the New Testament is quoting.

              If we are to burn in hell for all eternity then can you explain why:

              Sodom and Gomorrah, an example of hell, is not still burning today? 2 peter 2 v 6
              Why the saved are promised the amazing gift of eternal life if the lost ALSO have eternal life, only in a torturous place? John 3 v 16
              What is the second death? Rev 2 v 11
              Why does the Bible say “Perish, death, destruction” but really mean live for ever but in an horrendous place.
              Why does God make man mortal, only to then give him immortality so that He can burn man for ever?
              Why does 2 Tim 6 v 16 say God ALONE is immortal when every one has immortality ie never dies?
              If Jesus paid the price for our sins, why did He not spend eternity in hell?
              Why do a life time (Say 70 years) of sin warrant eternity of torment? A Billion years pass and your eternal life sentence has only just begun!
              Why would God allow life to be born into a world that, it is impossible for one not to sin, and then torture that same person for all eternity for that very sin?..Romans 3 v 23
              Why is the Rich man and Lazarus the only non parable when Jesus came speaking in parables?
              Do we hear the lost in hell as Abraham did?
              How would one little drop of water quench the thirst?
              Why did Jesus use the actual name “Lazarus” of all names and say “they would not believe even if one rose for the dead” and then actually raise a man a called Lazarus from the dead and coincidentally the act also did not make the Pharisees believe?

              I could go on and on…

              Please do not get me wrong. Hell is real and the Lake of fire is real and your DO NOT want to go there BUT the point I am making is: There is enough in scripture to question this doctrine, that makes no sense and does not line up with the Character of God.

              One last point LUKE 9 V 51

              And it came to pass, when the time was come that He should be received up, He steadfastly set His face to go to Jerusalem, And sent messengers before His face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for Him. And they did not receive Him, because His face was as though He would go to Jerusalem. And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, WILT THOU THAT WE COMMAND FIRE TO COME DOWN from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But He turned, and rebuked them, and said, YE KNOW NOT WHAT MANNER OF SPIRIT YE ARE OF. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

            • Don’t take this wrong way, but your questions are those of someone who perhaps doesn’t really believe what they read in the Bible. For example, you say that the article “makes no sense and does not line up with the Character of God”. Have you not read about the character of God in your King James Bible? Allow me to bring a few things to your attention.

              The same God of John 3:16 is ALSO the same God that does this:

              “He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.” Psalm 2:4,5 (KJV)

              “I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh; When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.” Proverbs 1:26,27 (KJV)
              Here we have God laughing and mocking the people He is destroying.

              “I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not. And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.” Isaiah 66:4,24 (KJV)
              Here we have God hand picking and choosing the delusions and fears he will bring upon people in Hell.

              “But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.” Genesis 19:26 (KJV)
              Lot’s wife being turned into a pillar of salt for simply looking over her shoulder

              “And the people spake against God, and against Moses, Wherefore have ye brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? for there is no bread, neither is there any water; and our soul loatheth this light bread. And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.” Numbers 21:5,6 (KJV)
              God sent fiery serpents to kill the people who murmured against Him. Bitten to death for complaining!

              Now, I could give literally a hundred more examples, and hopefully you get the point. Perhaps you don’t know the true character of God as good as you think you do. God sending people to Hell for ALL eternity? Yes, believe it. It is totally within the nature and character of a perfect, righteous God to do that to His enemies. Unsaved people are the enemies of God, or didn’t your pastor ever tell you that? Unsaved people are NOT the “Children of God, that only happens when you get saved.

              “For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.” Galatians 3:6 (KJV)

              You want God’s unfiltered LOVE? Then get saved. You want God’s unfiltered WRATH? Then stay lost. God, is His MERCY, allows us to CHOOSE for ourselves which one we want.

              I will close with this verse, spoken to SAVED Christians who are in Heaven at the Judgment Seat in the context:

              “Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.” 2 Corinthians 5:11 (KJV)

      • 1 John 4:1

        @Mike au

        I hear what you and Jimmy and the others are saying.

        I am reading Scriptures about how to respond to individuals who doubt God is real. J. Warren Wallace wrote “Doubt About God? How Jesus Responded to Doubt”. Wallace states “Doubt Is Dispelled By Evidence”.

        I knew a chief firefighter once who was ill. I knew he had seen and experienced hardships and loss. Without being rude to me, he let me know he did not want me to talk about my faith with him. Looking back, I wish I would have simply asked him this question: do you know how Jesus responded to doubt?

        • @ 1 John 4:1 when you read through those scriptures,
          please post them ! P.S I like your name ! Relevant for
          these days ! A necessity actually !

          • 1 John 4:1

            I understand 1 John 4:1. However, every moment of my life I Need to submit to Jesus. The Holy Spirit reveals my sins to me through Scripture: to submit fully, worship correctly, use my speech properly, be quiet, be of cheer, abstain from sin, not encourage sin,–love as Galatians demonstrates, etc.

            http://www.messiahrevealed.org/isaiah12-41.html

            As you know, Jesus has provided ample evidence throughtout His life that He is the Living Savior. The scriptures I am gladly putting into my heart cover the prophecies and miracles of Jesus. The prophecies of Isaiah concerning Jesus are organized by chapter/subject and fullfilment at Messiah Revealed.

            John the Baptist had a moment of doubt. Jesus provided evidence to John as a response (Luke 7).

            Right now I will enjoy the Holy Spirit’s guidance into these scriptures.

        • Dan

          @ Geoffrey, so you completely ignore my post and just post questions to me instead. I’ve tried to get someone to address these fine points made by our sister in Christ Nikki. No one seems to want to touch it though. Hmmm

          I most certainly am NOT a 7th day Adventist, just a FEMAIL evangelist who wrestled with God for many years over this doctrine.

          Mark 9 v 43-44 needs to read in tandem with Isaiah 66 from whence the New Testament is quoting.

          If we are to burn in hell for all eternity then can you explain why:

          Sodom and Gomorrah, an example of hell, is not still burning today? 2 peter 2 v 6
          Why the saved are promised the amazing gift of eternal life if the lost ALSO have eternal life, only in a torturous place? John 3 v 16
          What is the second death? Rev 2 v 11
          Why does the Bible say “Perish, death, destruction” but really mean live for ever but in an horrendous place.
          Why does God make man mortal, only to then give him immortality so that He can burn man for ever?
          Why does 2 Tim 6 v 16 say God ALONE is immortal when every one has immortality ie never dies?
          If Jesus paid the price for our sins, why did He not spend eternity in hell?
          Why do a life time (Say 70 years) of sin warrant eternity of torment? A Billion years pass and your eternal life sentence has only just begun!
          Why would God allow life to be born into a world that, it is impossible for one not to sin, and then torture that same person for all eternity for that very sin?..Romans 3 v 23
          Why is the Rich man and Lazarus the only non parable when Jesus came speaking in parables?
          Do we hear the lost in hell as Abraham did?
          How would one little drop of water quench the thirst?
          Why did Jesus use the actual name “Lazarus” of all names and say “they would not believe even if one rose for the dead” and then actually raise a man a called Lazarus from the dead and coincidentally the act also did not make the Pharisees believe?

          I could go on and on…

          Please do not get me wrong. Hell is real and the Lake of fire is real and your DO NOT want to go there BUT the point I am making is: There is enough in scripture to question this doctrine, that makes no sense and does not line up with the Character of God.

          One last point LUKE 9 V 51

          And it came to pass, when the time was come that He should be received up, He steadfastly set His face to go to Jerusalem, And sent messengers before His face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for Him. And they did not receive Him, because His face was as though He would go to Jerusalem. And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, WILT THOU THAT WE COMMAND FIRE TO COME DOWN from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But He turned, and rebuked them, and said, YE KNOW NOT WHAT MANNER OF SPIRIT YE ARE OF. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

          • MRH

            I’ve tried to get someone to address these fine points made by our sister in Christ Nikki. No one seems to want to touch it though. Hmmm

            @Dan: I think folk are afraid to tackle things as they know they can’t win 😆 Therefore I will give it my best shot 😉

            Sodom and Gomorrah, an example of hell, is not still burning today? 2 peter 2 v 6 | Things can only burn as long as there is fuel available? Case in point wild fires, which can get out of control quickly if conditions right; drought, wind, etc.

            Why the saved are promised the amazing gift of eternal life if the lost ALSO have eternal life, only in a torturous place? John 3 v 16 | The price for sin is death NOT life 😉

            What is the second death? Rev 2 v 11 | The eternal version of the first death 😉

            Why does the Bible say “Perish, death, destruction” but really mean live for ever but in an horrendous place. | Annhiliation is the modern word 😉

            Why does God make man mortal, only to then give him immortality so that He can burn man for ever? | Only the saved are made immortal 😉

            Why does 2 Tim 6 v 16 say God ALONE is immortal when every one has immortality ie never dies? | Only the Spirit within us is immortal, not our earthly bodies 😉

            If Jesus paid the price for our sins, why did He not spend eternity in hell? | Because God resurrected him on the third day 😉

            Why do a life time (Say 70 years) of sin warrant eternity of torment? A Billion years pass and your eternal life sentence has only just begun! | Eternal life has no pain or sorrow, or it would not be eternal life 😉

            Why would God allow life to be born into a world that, it is impossible for one not to sin, and then torture that same person for all eternity for that very sin?..Romans 3 v 23 | Totally illogical 🙄

            Why is the Rich man and Lazarus the only non parable when Jesus came speaking in parables? | It’s not, the prior story of the ‘rich man and the steward’ also fail to note ‘parable’. And I’m sure there are others, but would require deep research.

            Do we hear the lost in hell as Abraham did? | Abraham is dead as are all past saints 😉

            How would one little drop of water quench the thirst? | Actually it would do quite the opposite 😉

            Why did Jesus use the actual name “Lazarus” of all names and say “they would not believe even if one rose for the dead” and then actually raise a man a called Lazarus from the dead and coincidentally the act also did not make the Pharisees believe? | The message of the illustrative story is noted in the last passage 😉

            Luk 16:27-31 KJV – Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

            P.S. The story is a parabolic prophecy concerning the Jews [rich man] rejection of Jesus [Abraham] and the Gentiles [Lazarus].

            • Dan

              Thanks Mark but my point wasn’t that I didn’t know the answers to nikki’s questions.

              My point my dear bro was that the bible in many cases is left to interpretation as opposed to Geoffrey who like many always want to stay with (a literal interpretation ). But you see with the questions nikki proposed ; you get stumped ; because you only have speculation; if you’re being honest.

              What Geoffrey may not realize is we both take comfort in GOD being in control despite our knowledge or lack thereof about scripture.
              In other words we chose faith over confusion. We have faith in GOD’s assurance that he loves us(Christians) despite ourselves. So we rest with the belief that GOD’s in control.

              With all humility I only have rest in my faith that GOD will correct me (literally) if needed; like a father corrects his child ; he will guide me and with that trust I believe that I am exactly where he wants me to be right now.

              When we realize the difference between the Holy spirit and the bible ; we understand one is meat and the other is milk.

              Praise GOD for our comforter!

          • MRH
          • MRH

            My point my dear bro was that the bible in many cases is left to interpretation as opposed to Geoffrey who like many always want to stay with (a literal interpretation ). But you see with the questions nikki proposed ; you get stumped ; because you only have speculation; if you’re being honest.

            @Dan: The bible is both literal and figurative depending on context. Grider and others take things literal which are figurative or symbolic by context. The latter we take for granted in our modern communication. Well the bible uses the same, but to hide certain knowledge elements. Likewise with the NWO, most is hidden behind clever facades; government, economy, religion, media, entertainment, etc.

            And so no (contrary to Griders claim), Jesus does not return riding a literal white horse. For one thing, real horses can’t fly, only in our dreams or in Hollywood 😉

            P.S. No OT reference to the return mentions horses, only clouds and chariots of fire. The latter is closer to the truth, though still figurative. The fact is that as Gods ways are way above ours, so also is the technologies of the heavens far beyond ours.

            And I certainly hope you don’t believe the ‘pearly white gates’ fable? With angels sitting on puffy white clouds playing harps, as St. Peter admits (good) or rejects (bad) dead souls into heaven or sends them to hell.

      • MRH

        MRH, I’m aware of the group whom I’m addressing, the
        point is the result for unbelievers is the same whether it is
        past, present or future. The scriptures clearly teach this !

        @AU: Please consider the following in regards to things 😉

        Rom 1:18 KJV – For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

        Col 3:6 KJV – For which things’ sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

        Rev 14:10, 19 KJV – The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: … And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

        Rev 16:1 KJV – And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

        As shown above, the context is the ‘wrath of God’? Now does such last forever? According to scripture, the wrath precedes the return? As for the fate of the unbeliever, scripture states his judgment is at the great white throne. Which follows after the whole creation is destroyed by fire. After final judgment is the new creation.

        Rev 20:11, 13-15 KJV – And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. … And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

        Consider the words ‘death’ and ‘hell’? Neither are living beings or objects, but rather a state and place. So how can ‘death’ be burned? Only matter can be burned. Also the ‘lake of fire’ is the second or final death. The first death is when we physically die.

        Rev 21:1, 8 KJV – And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. … But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and who**mongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

        P.S. One must also consider the symbolism frequently used in bible prophecy, and especially in the book of Revelation 😉

    • Gerardo Rivera

      What a sea of comments. Hell is a topic that sparks a lot of emotion. However, at its core, the topic is whether we want to believe what God’s Word says or not. Ultimately, that is the whole argument here.

      But all we have to do is consider this: Does God follow through on what He says He will do? Well, let’s look at the history of it:

      Genesis 2:15-17
      And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

      I am sure Adam and the woman (Eve was not named yet) had this thought through their minds. God would never, ever let death or pain come from our transgression. He is a loving God. I’m sure he would just let it go as a mistake, even though it was an intentional mistake.

      16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

      Genesis 3:17-20
      And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

      Ladies who have given birth, did God keep his promise to multiply sorrow(pain) at birth? For many in the work force, is work ridiculously hard at times? Do our bodies decay until we die? Remember, God is a loving God, but is also a just God who keeps his word. If he pronounces a result, it will happen. Who here cannot feel pain? Who here has not seen people buried after their deaths?

      Deuteronomy 28:15-67 is a list of curses that God gives for the people of Israel if they disobey him and his commandments. And if you study the history of Israel, especially before it was sacked by Babylon, every single curse came to pass, even being specific that the Israelites would eat their own children in a vain attempt to survive the siege. This was nearly 800 years before that terrifying siege and God laid out the entirety of what was to pass in great detail and why they would face this (because they did not obey the Lord God).

      Mark 13:1-2
      And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here! And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

      Luke 21:20-21
      And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

      Between 30-40 years after Jesus ascended, Josephus and other historians record that the Romans attacked the area and the destruction was so thorough that no one stone was left on top of another. The Jews of the day were thoroughly persuaded that, as long as they had the temple, God would protect them. And many died within the temple as it was destroyed (many say by fire, then a systematic tear down of the building to take all treasure within it as gold melted and fell into the floor and walls, thus a need for a systematic tear down to get to that gold).

      When the Christians of the day saw armies surrounding Jerusalem, they fled, expecting the prophecy to be fulfilled. It was not, as more verses afterward go into detail, showing it as a yet future event even to us, but because the Christians believed, they fled the wrath to come while those who put their faith in a building were destroyed. Once again, God fulfills his promises.

      So with that said, when stuff like this is listed in the Bible:

      Matthew 25:41
      Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,
      Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared
      for the devil and his angels:

      So these people are going into an everlasting fire that
      the demons are going into to be tormented day and night

      Revelation 14:9-11
      And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

      I don’t know about you, but such horrid news actually gives me great hope. No, I am not a sadist, nor do I take delight in those going into hell fire (heck, I preach the word when the opportunity presents itself in hopes of sparing people from that fire). What I am saying is, if God is faithful to keep the above promises, no matter how terrifying they may be, consider the following verses:

      John 3:16-17
      For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

      Acts 2:21
      And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

      Joel 2:32 (Yes, even to Jews who believe, as this is OT)
      And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

      Romans 10:13
      For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

      1st John 1:8-9 (Shout out to Matthew Vines)
      If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

      If God has been faithful in his wrath in the past, shall he not be faithful in his mercy and grace? Likewise, if God is not faithful in his wrath, why should he be faithful in his salvation plan?

      Either we believe God’s Word for what it says or we don’t. It’s been that way from the beginning. For those who believe in annihilation, it is not believing what God says. For those who believe there is no after life, it is not believing what God says. That makes us no different from Adam and Eve. Do not be the one to “test” if God is faithful with hell fire. Many have taken that test and the Bible never says “…and s/he got away with their sin.”

      • Bro. Nick

        Gerardo Rivera – Thank you for stating Biblical truth for those few that have “an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear”.

        For those of us that truly are “Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God” – we rejoice in anticipation of the promise that is written in Revelation, Chapter 22, KJV:
        [20] He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly.
        Amen.
        Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
        [21] The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all.
        Amen.
        .

    • kiwiwatcher

      Brother Nick….well done. And sister Heather too. That was quite an onslaught. You both have many supporters in prayer, watching.

      1 Timothy 6:12
      “Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.”
      Thank you sister Heather for the reference, pointing out the satanic dribble wrapped up in a tome.

      Colossians 3:16
      “Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.”

      As time wore on this last while – my mind was filled with closing of the Age of Grace….spiritually it felt so close

      Titus 2.13
      “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;”

      God Bless you both Brother Nick and sister Heather.

      ps…sister Heather – (smiling) could be the accent…but is that your name in Rev 4:1

      • Bro. Nick

        kiwiwatcher – Thank you for your public statement of support ~ BUT most of all for each and every prayer – for our brethren in “Christ Jesus” – for Sister Heather, for our Brothers Jimmy and Geoffrey, for any others, and for me.
        As it was written by “our beloved brother Paul” in Hebrews, Chapter 4, KJV:
        [14] Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens,
        Jesus the Son of God,
        let us hold fast our profession.
        [15] For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities;
        but was in all points tempted like as we are,
        yet without sin.
        [16] Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace,
        that we may obtain mercy,
        and find grace to help in time of need.

        AND – as James wrote:
        “Confess your faults one to another,
        and pray one for another, that ye may be healed.
        The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.”
        (James 5:16, KJB)

        ALWAYS ~ ALWAYS ~ ALWAYS REMEMBERING that which is written in Psalm 115:1 ~ KJV:
        “Not unto us, O LORD, not unto us,
        but unto thy name give glory,
        for thy mercy,
        and for thy truth’s sake.”
        .

      • Heather

        kiwiwatcher, you make me smile. You are funny and I love your personality. I’m so glad to see your posting more often now. I pay special attention to yours, and Bro Nick’s comments. Great verses you posted.
        It offends me to see false prophets come on here and insult my brethren who have been here for quite some time. I am protective of my friends in the Lord Jesus Christ. They think that we are ignorant and don’t have eyes to see, but the Lord gives us our sight. Praise God!
        Love you
        Heather

    • My how the heathen rage and the people imagine a vain thing! And how surely does He that sitteth in the heavens laugh at them in derision?

      All the way to the bitter end the wicked trolls of the evil Khazar impostors posing as Jewish globalists shall promote the lying “jews” as the coming Messiah. Yes folks, they have taken on the mark of the beast. Their end is sure: eternal torment in the burning lake of fire and brimstone which we have been discussing here join the context of hell.

      Truth finds its origin in YHWH (God) ladies and gentlemen; just as surely as lies find their source in the father of lies, the devil, who is very real. You see folks, those of the lie here are reduced to engaging in ad hominem attacks directed at God’s true ambassadors for Yahushua and His imminent second coming. They endlessly dodge, duck and weave and make unsubstantiated claims and then quote a few irrelevant bible verses to confuse and deceive the non-elect: the naive, the gullible and the lazy.

      Don’t take my word for anything. Go read the verses from God’s word that I cite, and challenge everything I say and teach against the entirety of Scripture. I have challenged my lying detractors here to show me my errors. They have yet to accept my challenge because they know that in me they are dealing with someone way out of the league who is filled with YHWH’s Holy Spirit of truth and sacrificial love. They cannot see that in my testimony here, the prophecies of Revelation 11:3 and 10 and Matthew 10:26 are being fulfilled. This is because the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 has already been fulfilled upon them, and they don’t even have a clue.

      Let the wise tremble in fear at and make way for the coming day of the Lord Yahushua in late 2016 and let them understand. The wicked never will. Daniel 12:10 assures us of this. So mock away, Oh servants of the Antichrist! Your days are sharply numbered. Your vain babblings just shame you all the more. It’s over. You lost, and rather badly. Soon the eternal consequences for your deceit will arrive… You’re trapped. There’s no way out. We all know how the story ends.

      • Heather

        False Watchmen, I can’t help to ask but, are you suffering from Bipolar disorder?
        You claim to love Jesus, but you hate the very people who birthed Him to the world. Might I say that the dusty Bible you have in your possession (or may not) came to the world from God through the Jews.
        I bet you also enjoy the daily gadgets you use that was also made by, the Jews.

        Isaiah 41:11-12 King James Version (KJV)

        11 Behold, all they that were incensed against thee shall be ashamed and confounded: they shall be as nothing; and they that strive with thee shall perish.

        12 Thou shalt seek them, and shalt not find them, even them that contended with thee: they that war against thee shall be as nothing, and as a thing of nought.

    • Bro. Nick

      False teaching and false teachers are often very difficult to spot, and are much more destructive than most people realize
      – thus, my strong personal recommendation unto ALL of those who truly are “born again” ‘by Grace alone through Faith alone’ believers and followers of “our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ” – we must ALL learn – and remember – and most seriously think about – and apply that which C. H. Spurgeon wrote over 100 years ago –

      “DISCERNMENT is not knowing the difference between right and wrong.
      It is knowing the difference between RIGHT
      – and ALMOST right.”

      Likewise, the true believers and followers of “Christ Jesus” must know and always remember that “Lucifer”, “the great dragon”, “that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan” is an extremely intelligent, wily, malicious, absolutely evil and “subtil” master counterfeiter – with thousands of years of practice
      – AND he is out to cause ‘spiritual confusions’ using malevolent deceptions – and delusions – and deliberate deceit
      – AND we are told in “the word of the Lord”:
      “Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
      Put on the whole armour of God,
      that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
      (Ephesians 6:10-11, KJB) – Please read Verses 10-20 + 2 Corinthians 10:3-5 ~ KJV

      There is VERY STRONG WARNING written in 2 Corinthians, Chapter 11, KJV:
      [13] For such are false apostles, deceitful workers,
      transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
      [14] And no marvel;
      for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
      [15] Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness;
      whose end shall be according to their works.

      = Please read the following short article written 349 years ago –

      William Dell on ‘False Prophets’

      … Wherefore we declare unto you from the Word of the Lord, touching these false prophets, who shall do so much mischief:

      1. That they shall not proceed, or come forth from among the Jews, or Turks (aka Mohammedanism, Islam), or out of the barbarous Nations, they shall arise out of such as are called Christians.

      2. Seeing amongst the Christians some are openly profane and evil, others seem to be religious and godly, the false prophets shall be found among the better sort; and therefore, saith Christ, they shall come in “sheeps clothing”, as if they were of Christ’s own flock: And Paul saith “They have a form of Godliness”, that is, they shall be painted over gloriously, with all appearances of Truth, righteousness, honesty, goodness, and all the names of godliness.

      3. Seeing amongst those that seem to be the better sort of Christians, some give themselves to the ministry of the Word, and some do not; the false prophets shall be found among those Christians, who take upon themselves to be preachers, as Paul testifies (Acts 20) where having called together the elders and teachers of the church of Ephesus, he saith to them, “Ex vobis ipsis; Out of your ownselves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them”.

      And seeing among those who are ministers, some are light, and vain, and carnal, and formal persons; and other men of great worth and reputation, and seem to be precious members of Christ, and even pillars in the Church, so that the common people think, that all religion would go down with such good men; they having some gifts and enlightenings of the spirit, and seeming more than ordinarily godly, religious, wise, holy, sober, devout; now the false prophets shall be found among these.

      And as they who opposed Christ at his first coming in the flesh, seem more wise, and holy, and eminent in the Church than the rest, as the Scribes and Pharisees, who sat in Moses’ chair, and had the outward letter of the Word in all exactness, and the outward form of religion in all strictness; so they, who do, and shall most oppose Christ in His coming in His Spirit, and shall contradict His Word, and resist His servants and witnesses of His Truth, do, and shall appear more wise, holy, learned, and godly, than the rest of the teachers in the Church.

      And thus you see, that the false prophets of Anti-christ shall arise among Christians; and among such Christians as seem to be godly; and among such seeming godly Christians as preach the Word; and among such preachers of the Word as seem to be of greater worth and eminency than the rest: and so in all these regards it will be a hard matter to discern them.

      4. Again, such persons, of such appearance and worth and holiness as these, do usually get to their side the greatest and highest persons in the kingdoms and nations, and do obtain, not only their countenance and favour, but also their power and authority for themselves.

      5. By both these means (viz. their seeming holiness, and their interest with worldy powers) they exceedingly enlarge their credit and reputation with the world, and do get multitudes of people and nations to entertain them.

      For Anti-christ could not decieve the world with a company of foolish, weak, ignorant, prophane, contemptable persons, but he always hath the greatest, the wisest, holiest, and most eminent in the visible church for him, and by these he seduces and subjects to himself, even the whole world. …

      ================================================================

      ‘The Trial Of Spirits – Both In Teachers And Hearers’
      Apologetics Coordination Team (ACT)
      http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/thetrialofspirits.html
      .

      • Heather

        Oh my……Amen! Amen! Amen! And Amen Again! Amen and Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Bro. Nick

          Heather – Sister, Please remember about that which I – OR any other man or woman says or writes – it is ONLY “the word of the Lord” that is “the truth”:
          “And if any man think that he knoweth any thing,
          he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.”
          (1 Corinthians 8:2, KJB)
          .

          • Bro Nick …100%. Jesus is the truth ! Amen !

    • MRH

      Hades, Sheol, and the State of the Dead

      <Insight into Acts 2:27

      “…because you will not abandon my soul to the grave…”

      The Greek word translated “grave” is hadēs. Hades was the Greek word used to represent the Hebrew word sheol, which was the state of being dead. When the Hebrew Old Testament was translated into Greek around 250 BC, the Hebrew word sheol was translated by the Greek word hades. Sheol was not the physical grave itself, but the state of being dead (the actual physical grave was referred to as the qeber). In the Hebrew Old Testament, dead people are said to be in sheol.

      Sheol vs. Hades

      It was actually a bad choice to translate sheol as hadēs, because in sheol people are dead, whereas in the Greek mythology, hadēs was a place where the souls of dead people are alive. So when the Greeks translated sheol as hadēs, it introduced great confusion about the state of the dead into Judaism and then into Christianity, and that confusion still exists today. The Bible, properly translated, makes it clear that dead people are dead until the Rapture or a resurrection.

      What Happens to the Soul?

      This verse shows how mistranslation can skew theology. If this verse were being read by a first-century Greek who did not know that hadēs was the Greek translation of sheol, he would be led to think that people, including Jesus, had gone to the hadēs of Greek mythology, ruled by the god Hadēs, which is not even close to what the text is saying. However, something similar has happened today, because many Christians think that hadēs is another name for the place in Christian mythology called “Hell,” which is ruled by the Devil and his demons, and is where evil people go when they die. Jesus certainly did not go to a place where there are dead people being tormented by demons. He died and was dead. That is why the prophecy was that God would not abandon people to sheol (hadēs). If God did not raise people up from being dead, they would stay dead forever. The soul does not live on after the body dies. When the body dies, the soul is dead.

      http://www.truthortradition.com/articles/hades-sheol-and-the-state-of-the-dead

      • MRH

        “The Bible, properly translated, makes it clear
        that dead people are dead until the Rapture or
        a resurrection.”

        John 3:16 (KJV)
        16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only
        begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should
        not perish, but have everlasting life.

        Now I’m taking God upon his Word in the KJV, that
        everlasting life is just that ” everlasting ” and that I
        will not cease to exist even if it was for a few years
        dead in an earthly grave. What about early Christians
        who supposedly have been dead for thousands of years ?
        Could God claim everlasting life for them except for the
        few thousand years that these people have been dead
        in a grave ? Should we change the wording to” eventually
        have everlasting life ? Because that is what it would be !

        I really do take God upon his Word, and I love both.

        • MRH

          @mike au: Please examine below scripture, as explains all; life, death 💡 😉

          Jhn 3:16, 18 KJV – For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. … He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

          Lexicon :: Strong’s G622 – apollymi (perish) = to destroy – abolish – ruin – lose : Annihilation is a modern word for total destruction!

          Annihilation – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annihilation
          Wikipedia
          Annihilation is defined as “total destruction” or “complete obliteration” of an object; having its root in the Latin nihil (nothing). A literal translation is “to make into nothing”.

          P.S. The key unto eternal life is the ‘new birth’, and so all ‘born again’ ones ARE Gods children! Likewise all others are NOT! To join the holy camp, one must obey the gospel. And those whom do are gifted the Spirit.

          Those whom refuse are on their own unto potential demise! Also what all our future fates be, will be determined by our present game! None can escape their final judgment call, whether eternal life or eternal death! For the saved there will be rewards or none, but for the lost all is in Gods mercy! God calls the shots in all things NOT we!?

          As for the ‘cryptic’ symbolism in Revelation, and other OT/NT prophecies.. for another potential future discussion? 💡

          • MRH,

            “P.S. The key unto eternal life is the ‘new birth’, and so all
            ‘born again’ ones ARE Gods children! Likewise all others
            are NOT! To join the holy camp, one must obey the gospel.
            And those whom do are gifted the Spirit.”

            Yes, and those who have been reborn are promised
            everlasting life, they are promised this from the moment
            they believe.

            There is nothing that you have posted above that does not
            negate the fact that ” everlasting ” is just that ” everlasting life.

            John 11:25-26 (KJV)
            25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life:
            he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall
            he live:
            26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never
            die. Believest thou this?

            John 8:51 (KJV)
            51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying,
            he shall never see death.

            Once again I take God upon his Word here, although the body
            may die, the spirit lives on. Promised by the Father in John 3:16
            and Jesus in John 11:25-26- John 8:51.

            But right now the pressing thought for me is that people don’t
            know Jesus in order to be saved, the only true person that
            salvation can be obtained.

            John 14:6 (KJV)
            6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life:
            no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

            Peace.

          • MRH

            Once again I take God upon his Word here, although the body may die, the spirit lives on. Promised by the Father in John 3:16 and Jesus in John 11:25-26- John 8:51.

            @mike au: Not so according to scripture 😉

            Ecc 12:7 KJV – Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

            P.S. At the ‘new birth’, we believers are gifted the Spirit. So that when we die or rapture prevails, we will have ‘angelic’ bodies and minds 😀 Those whom deny Christ will be raised with ‘fleshly’ bodies and minds! Of which will be destroyed in the end!

            Rev 20:9 KJV – And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

            Note: The above verse occurs after; tribulation, rapture, wrath, return, and millennium. So we can’t yet understand such events? 😉

            • MRH

              @mike au: Not so according to scripture ??
              Yes, according to the scripture I’ve posted to you.
              ( KJV )

              Ecc 12:7, I’m not disputing this, but this does mean
              that all get to live with God.

              Rev 20:9 KJV – And they went up on the breadth of the
              earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and
              the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of
              heaven, and devoured them.

              I will add Rev 20:10 to the picture.

              Rev 20:10 KJV
              10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the
              lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false
              prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for
              ever and ever.

              “Note: The above verse occurs after; tribulation, rapture,
              wrath, return, and millennium. So we can’t yet understand”

              So after the millennium, there is one event that we all should
              be able to understand, that is, the lake of fire is still burning
              and Satan has just had just been thrown in it ! Along with the
              false prophet and beast who have been there for over a
              thousand years ! Along with the people from Matthew 25:41

              Matthew 25:41 (KJV)
              41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,
              Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared
              for the devil and his angels:

              One hell of a fire eh !

        • MRH

          So after the millennium, there is one event that we all should be able to understand, that is, the lake of fire is still burning
          and Satan has just had just been thrown in it ! Along with the
          false prophet and beast who have been there for over a
          thousand years ! Along with the people from Matthew 25:41

          @mike au: The only fire burning inside the earth is the molten core and outer molten magma. Volcano’s are evidence of latter 😉

    • Greg

      Not sure who appointed you judge over people like joel osteen. Clearly, we are not reading the same bible. How successful is your ministry? Wait…. what ministry? And by the the way, why to do think you can scare the hell out of people with this post? When has that ever been an effective witness?

      • Bro. Nick

        Greg – Please consider that which is written in “the word of the Lord” in Jude, KJV:
        [21] Keep yourselves in the love of God,
        looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
        [22] And of some have compassion, making a difference:
        – [23] And others save with fear,
        – pulling them out of the fire;
        – hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
        [24] Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling,
        and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
        [25] To the only wise God our Saviour,
        be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever.
        Amen.

        – Emphasis of “the word of the Lord” is mine – Bro. Nick

    • MRH

      LAZARUS AND THE RICH MAN – THE HIDDEN MEANING BEHIND THE PARABLE

      We have all read the parable of the rich man. Most people think that it is about what happens to bad people when they die. But, if we look at context, this parable may not be about that at all. We are going to scrutinize the context of the previous chapter to see could have led Christ to tell this baffling parable. We see in the previous chapter that He is at odds with the powerful Scribes and Pharisees who scoff at Christ for keeping company with sinners, and they grumble that He even eats meals with them. Christ begins to tell these wealthy men a series of parables, that ends with the parable of Lazarus and the rich man.

      The higher ups in Christ’s time were the Pharisees, the Scribes and the Sadducees. (The Priests) These men wielded political, religious, social and financial clout. Had Christ played their games, He would have been one of them completely, but they had a big problem. He sometimes hung out with poor people, prostitutes, tax collectors, fishermen and the lower echelons of the society of that day. And the two did not normally mix. Just like today.

      We all know what class structure is. Rich people prefer to hang out with rich people. You rarely see truly wealthy people hobnob with the poor on a regular basis. The Country Club is a private place where the “well to do” can avoid contact with the non-Country Club crowd. People think that India has a strict class structure, but really it is a common human trait found in all societies.

      Not that the poor want to be away from the rich so much as it is the other way around. It was no different in Christ’s time. The rich didn’t want to have to mix with the lower classes, and especially they didn’t want to eat with them. Christ didn’t care about class. He mixed with both groups, He had meals with both groups. He might be eating at a rich mans house and the same night, be hanging out and dining with people considered to be “sinners” and the bottom of the barrel. This didn’t make the Pharisees and Scribes very happy. They murmured about it. Remember this as part of the back story or the context.

      “Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him. And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receives sinners, and eats with them.” Luke 15:1-2

      Luke 15 sets the stage for the parable of the rich man. (Luke 16:19). Christ responded to their murmuring. He didn’t hit them head on. He subtly told them the parable of the lost sheep, “What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?” His point being…ok, even if these people are sinners, they are lost sheep to be saved, but that really didn’t get through to them.

      So, He told them another parable about the woman who had 10 pieces of silver and lost one piece, and hunted until she found it and she rejoiced. Again, they weren’t buying.

      Then He told them a harder parable about the prodigal son who wasted his inheritance on wine, women and song, and how his dad was still so happy that he came back home that he sacrificed the fatted calf for him, even though he had never done that for the “non-sinning good brother.”

      Christ told another parable or two but the Scribes and Pharisees began to deride Him. Christ’s point all along had been that they didn’t need to look down on sinners and poor people because God wanted to save them. Remember the parable of the lost sheep, the parable of the lost coin, and the parable of the lost brother. But, His parables had no effect on them at all, so He finally told them a truly hard parable that got their attention and burned their ears.

      If the parable of Lazarus and the rich man had been about punishing bad people, Christ could have skipped the whole Lazarus part and just said, ‘there was a rich man and he died and went to hell.” But no, Lazarus is a key part of the parable. These snobby Pharisees and Scribes were offended that Christ had meals with sinners. So, Christ made the point that poor Lazarus didn’t get to eat a meal with the rich man, he didn’t even get any crumbs from his table. He is rubbing their face in their condescension of poor people. They certainly wouldn’t have given even a crumb from their tables to those who they felt were below them…they wouldn’t eat with them at all!

      THE PARABLE OF LAZARUS AND THE RICH MAN

      19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

      20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

      21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

      22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried.” Luke 16:19-22

      What is Abraham’s bosom? “Abraham’s bosom” was an expression in the oral traditions of the Jewish Rabbi’s for the state of bliss after death.” So, Christ made it plain…poor Lazarus would have bliss, but not the rich man. (They knew He was talking about them.) Christ’s point to them, was that being rich in this life would be no help to them after they were dead.

      He continued, “And in hell (the grave) he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. (bliss) And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime received thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. ”

      Those rich Scribes and Pharisees didn’t want to hear this. Poor people would be in bliss and they the rich would be tormented. Christ was making a powerful point to them personally. There was no real man with a hundred sheep who really lost one, there was no real woman who had ten coins and lost one, there was no real man who had 2 sons and lost one AND…there was no real rich man. These parables were an attempt to get through to these rich and powerful men that they should not look down on others. These men didn’t like Christ because He stood up for sinners, and poor people, and for women (the woman caught in adultery) and for all the social outcasts of that society.

      This is the real and deep meaning of the parable of Lazarus and the rich man. Comfort is coming for the Lazarus’s of the world. For the people who haven’t had it so good in this life. Christ knew that the rich will have it rough later…and that it would be hard for an ultra rich man to even make it in the Kingdom of God.

      RICH MEN…

      23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

      24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

      25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, Who then can be saved?

      26 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” Matthew 19:23-26

      The proud, the arrogant and the rich forget that they will not be able to carry their wealth with them into their judgment. (Great White Throne Judgment in Revelation 20.)

      Revelation 20:11-13 says, “And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened (The Bible). Another book was opened, which is the book of life.

      Imagine it. In the Great White Throne resurrection, all the dead, small and great, will come up together side by side. The rich will not be in one place and the poor in another. The Tsar of Russia could be standing right next to a little orphan girl who died in the potato famine in Ireland in the 1800s. Which one will be happier to be in the Kingdom of God? The Tsar of Russia had an opulent life before, but now that is over. He is no longer rich. He has no servants, or beautiful palaces…he will be tormented by the memory of all those things. The little orphan girl will have food and clothes and milk and everything she ever dreamed of. She will be comforted. She will be in the role of Lazarus and the Tsar will be in the role of the rich man. No doubt, it will be very hard for the ultra rich in the resurrection. They will have a hard time overcoming that…some will not.

      This is the right explanation of why Christ gave the parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man. It is about how God will handle class structure in the Kingdom of God….there won’t be any. Even so, rich people have a shot at being in the Kingdom of God too. God wants to give eternal life and blessings to all who have ever lived, great and small.

      • TheGreatTroy

        FYI. The Rich man and Lazarus is not a parable.

    • David Watchman

      If Hell isn’t real, then the entire bible and God’s word isn’t real. I pity those who base their emphasis only on the fact that God is a loving God and wouldn’t condemn his creatures which he created.One fact they fail to forget is that the same God who is loving is also a consuming fire (Heb 12:29, Deut 4:24.)and the bible clearly states that it is a fearful thing for any man to fall into the hands of the Lord Heb 10:31.
      I Pray God illumine the eyes of men so they could into his very heart and thought towards all those who hold the truth in unrighteousness.. remember Heaven and hell is real God Bless you.

      • Bro. Nick

        David Watchman – Thank you for stating that which is Biblically “the truth”
        – that “HELL” IS FOREVER
        – regardless of what any man or woman may falsely think or teach:
        “And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.:
        (1 Corinthians 8:2, KJB)

        Each and every person must realize that ‘next to what GOD knows, we know next to nothing at all’ – that the absolute truth is found only in “rightly dividing” “the word of the Lord”:
        “STUDY TO SHEW THYSELF APPROVED UNTO GOD,
        a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
        RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH.”
        (2 Timothy 2:15, KJB)

        And always remembering “thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy”:
        [8] ¶ For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
        neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
        [9] For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
        so are my ways higher than your ways,
        and my thoughts than your thoughts.
        [10] For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven,
        and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth,
        and maketh it bring forth and bud,
        that it may give seed to the sower,
        and bread to the eater:
        [11] So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth:
        it shall not return unto me void,
        but it shall accomplish that which I please,
        and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
        (Isaiah, Chapter 55, KJB)

        About the “THE TRUTH” of “HELL”:
        “… In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.” (2 Corinthians 13:1b, KJB)

        -1- Matthew 25:41 ~ KJV:
        “Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed,
        into EVERLASTING FIRE,
        prepared for the devil and his angels:”

        -2- Matthew 25:46 ~ KJV:
        “And these shall go away into EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT:
        ~ BUT THE RIGHTEOUS INTO LIFE ETERNAL.”

        -3- Isaiah 33: ~ KJV:
        “The sinners in Zion are afraid;
        fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites.
        Who among us shall dwell with THE DEVOURING FIRE?
        who among us shall dwell with EVERLASTING BURNINGS?”

        -4- Matthew 18:8 ~ KJV:
        “Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee,
        cut them off, and cast them from thee:
        it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed,
        rather than having two hands or two feet
        to be cast into EVERLASTING FIRE.”

        -5- Matthew 25:41 ~ KJV:
        “Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,
        Depart from me, ye cursed,
        into EVERLASTING FIRE,
        prepared for the devil and his angels:”

        -6- Matthew 25:46 ~ KJV:
        “And these shall go away into EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT:
        but the righteous into life eternal.”

        -7- ‘The Revelation of Jesus Christ’, Chapter 20 ~ KJV
        – DEATH and HELL | THE LAKE OF FIRE:
        [13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it;
        and DEATH and HELL delivered up the dead which were in them:
        and they were judged every man according to their works.
        [14] And DEATH and HELL were cast into THE LAKE OF FIRE.
        This is the second death.
        [15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into THE LAKE OF FIRE.

        – CAPITALization of “the words of the Lord” are mine for emphasis – Bro. Nick

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    • matthew

      But for God’s Grace, i would be going to Hell myself. It truly breaks my heart when people mock and reject Jesus’ offer to save them.
      The Living God says to them, “WHY will ye die??”
      The mystery of iniquity…

    • Had all the Angels rebelled against God they would have overthrown him. Since you are so moral I would like you to be the one who throws me into the lake of fire on judgment day. I would never accept this doctrine no matter what even as a child. If everyone rebelled against God we would overthrow him. He is the one who deserves to spend eternity in a lake of fire in the most unimaginable torment anyone could ever conceive. Your God is a coward and a malevolent bully. His sons sacrifice was pathetic and I will even tell him that on judgment day.

      • Larry / vietnamvet1971

        Since you have already Condemned yourself to Hell then the WRATH of GOD abides on you now & if you live through the Great Tribulation you will live through another Hell and you will see and live a terrible Wrath & when you die you will be in the Resurrection of the Damned and you will get your chance to face a Just & Righteous GOD / Jesus so as you have already accepted HELL as your Final Destination the LORD will give you want you want & Deserve.

    • Really you honestly believe I would want to be tormented forever. I guess if I have to be given the evil ultimatum of having to spend eternity with people like Westboro Baptist Church or people like you for that matter I guess I would rather burn forever. A lady I know named Beth.who used to be a Christian is now an Agnostic Atheist. She said she lost a good friend a long time ago who was helping a person in a vehicle and she got struck by another car. Beth got upset and started crying because I guess her friend was not saved. You know when you feel powerless over someone you love and.their destiny it makes you feel powerless, fearful, and angry. It is the same way when I was like 9, 10, or 11 and I felt powerless over the destiny of someone I loved and would save them myself if I could. Heard stories of all kinds by children that were as young as 5 or 6. When I was like 9 or 10 years old when the preacher started preaching about eternal torment and the screams of the dampened my body would shake so violently with rage I wanted to walk right up on that stage and kick that preacher right in the nuts as hard as I could. Please don’t tell me about itching ears and sound doctrine because I already have read the entire Bible. I have condemned myself. Well, if this stuff is true then I will honorably let you be the one who throws me into the lake of fire on judgment day. You people caused me nothing but fear, hatred, anger, and rebellion. I am speaking my own truth of how I feel about this. Yes, nobody wants to hear especially children about your disgusting doctrine of eternal torment. You and Westboro Baptist Church God is an abomination, a reprobate, vile, the ultimate monster, and profoundly evil. Geoffrey Grider, I hate you with all my inner being. You are much more sicker than the most sadistic dictators in all of history. If you showed your one video about hell to little children you are the most sickest pos I could ever imagine.

    • I guess I owe everyone an apology. I am sorry for lashing out on everyone. I guess I have accepted whatever happens to me when I die. When I was around 12 years old I remember watching a show called Heavens Gate Hells Flame. At the end of the show I remember a nice lady who was unsaved with her daughter who was saved end up getting hit by a bus. Immediately they are in the presence of angels and the book of life. The mom ends up asking the Angels if her name was in the book of life. Satan all of a sudden shows up dragging the mother to hell and the daughter and mother are both screaming and crying. I thought to myself please don’t take my mom to hell send me instead. I will pay for her sins and cast me into hell and give her my salvation. This where I could not understand God. I hated feeling powerless over someone I love and their destiny. I could not accept it or nor will I ever be able to. A ton of rage would through my body as a child and it does even now. It feels as if though if God exists I feel like it would have been much kinder to have created me into hell than have me put through hell before going to the real hell. I know I am not perfect but I have tried the best I could. Maybe it is not.good enough for what you believe but I cannot accept feeling powerless over someone I love and their destiny.

    • david

      Pretty frightening.

    • Double Sword

      I would love it if Geoffrey invited Mr. Bill Wiese to be a guest on the radio program–and soon! Bill Wiese has authored both a book and DVD called “23 Minutes in Hell” which is backed up by over 100 verses of scripture. If you want to “vet” him first, just look up the many You Tube videos of Bill Wiese, after which he always give an altar call. When I say this heavy presentation is anointed and very provocative, I am understating things! Thanks for your consideration. (Bill lives in California with his wife; and they closed their lucrative real estate business for the sole purpose of witnessing to churches about Hell. Very sincere couple, humble and unassuming.)

    • riskhembha khonglah

      I Just want to follow whatever the word of the LORD speaks through me.i want that all my people know about GOD and follow his rules whatever if hard or easy it should be done in the presence of the LORD.I REALLY FELT THE NEED OF JESUS CHRIST in my life no matter wherever i am just want to remember that he is so grate.AMEN

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    • The Old Testament speaks many times about the destruction of many people because they rebelled and or disobeyed God. All of it can be summed up to that one word being disobedience.

    • Emery Richards

      The ONLY horrific fact about hell that no one teaches you, is that it DOES NOT EXIST AS A PLACE OF PUNISHMENT, TORTURE, AND FIRE. Hell ONLY means the “common grave of mankind”, as God’s word CLEARLY TEACHES. Hell IS THE GRAVE. God’s word ALSO teaches that we do NOT HAVE AN IMMORTAL SOUL, but that we ARE A LIVING SOUL, THAT DIES. God ALSO said, in one scripture, that such a thing “never even entered His mind” to torture anyone in such a place, that does not exist in the first place. Hellfire is a FALSE TEACHING OF FALSE RELIGION. It’s ONLY found in falsely translated versions of God’s word, like the KJV, NIV, ASV, and hundreds more. Those false translations were created to mislead many into believing the FALSE TEACHINGS OF CHRISTENDOM. If they use a Bible that includes the same lies that the religions teach, more will believe it. But God’s word, and the KJV, do NOT say the same things. After re-translating almost ALL of the KJV from the 5,000 plus existing scrolls from the Bible times, I’ve found almost 20,000 DELIBERATE translation errors, found God’s PERSONAL NAME removed 7,210 times, and found MANY texts added to it, THAT ORIGINALLY DID NOT EXIST. Any HONEST person, who wanted to draw close to God, and to know what God says to us, would NEVER do anything except strive to learn EXACTLY WHAT GOD WANTS TO SAY TO US, and REFUSE to use anything that worked to prevent that study.

    • Char

      Well, Emery, if there’s ever an award on this website for most argumentative, obnoxious, hard headed, unbiblical person, YOU WILL WIN THE PRIZE! I think you have probably gotten under everyone’s skin on this website, so your work is done here, go play in somebody else’s backyard now! Bye Bye.

      • Emery Richards

        Char;
        your UNCHRISTIAN behavior does not go un-noticed by God. I have NEVER been argumentative, obnoxious, hard headed, or unbiblical on this site, or any other site for that matter. And I am not “playing”. You think God’s word is playtime, but I assure you, it’s NOT. If showing people that they’ve been lied to by their FALSE RELIGION, and their FALSE TRANSLATIONS of God’s inspired word gets “under their skin”, then that’s a good thing. It may cause them to think, and to RESEARCH AND STUDY God’s word, and learn the TRUTH. You sure have miserably failed with regards to God’s word, and with regards to worshiping Him. You CERTAINLY reject ALL of Jesus’ teachings on how to speak to people, how to behave, how to show you’re Christian by the love you have for others, and all of his other teachings. It shows either that you reject God’s word, or that you’ve never studied it, OR that you have no independent thought, meaning that you only think what OTHERS give you to think. In any event, they’re all very very bad decisions on your part.

    • Char

      Thank you Emery, you just proved my point! And the obnoxious award goes to EMERY! Bye bye Emery. I don’t hate anyone. I LOVE everyone, including you and so does God. That’s the good thing, even with all your misinterpreted gobbledy goop, God still loves you. God Bless! Don’t bother to send a comment to me cuz this is the last you will be hearing from me. I shake the dust off my feet off and move on!

      • Emery Richards

        Char;
        If you wear a hat, NO ONE WILL SEE YOUR POINTY HEAD. That being said about your “point”, on to more. No, you DON’T love everyone, you’re not being honest. I have NO MISINTERPRETED GOBBLEDY GOOP. I obey God in NOT interpreting scripture. He said “does not interpretation belong ONLY TO ME?” And THANKS TO GOD that I won’t be hearing any more from you, you are VERY OBNOXIOUS in ALL of your posts. Very denegrating, reviling, and UNLOVING. Your misinterpretations of God’s word, and you lack of discernment as to what any of it says, is probably why you make so many insane, obnoxious, and FALSE statements about it.

    • Char

      Peter Pistol, as you can see from the above comments to this fella, Emery Richards, he is like a wart that gets under your skin and doesn’t go away. The poor guy is so misled in his beliefs, but very strong on them and also is like talking to a wall, so you are probably at least the 5th person (including myself) that has told him to go somewhere else and spread his garbage beliefs, but he just keeps coming back like a bad check. God Bless! I have just said a prayer for him that God will open his mind and heart to the true Word!

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    • Emery

      The only-begotten Son of God, the only Son produced by God alone. This Son is the firstborn of all creation. By means of him all other things in heaven and on earth were created. He is the second-greatest personage in the universe. It is this Son whom God sent to the earth to give his life as a ransom for mankind, thus opening the way to eternal life for those of Adam’s offspring who would exercise faith. This same Son, restored to heavenly glory, now rules as King, with authority to destroy all the wicked and to carry out his Father’s original purpose for the earth. The Hebrew form of the name Jesus means “Jehovah Is Salvation”; Christ is the equivalent of the Hebrew Ma·shiʹach (Messiah), meaning “Anointed One.”

      John 17:3, “[Jesus prayed to his Father:] This is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God [“who alone art truly God,” NE], and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.” (Notice that Jesus referred not to himself but to his Father in heaven as “the only true God.”)
      John 20:17, “Jesus said to her [Mary Magdalene], ‘Do not hold me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” (So to the resurrected Jesus, the Father was God, just as the Father was God to Mary Magdalene. Interestingly, not once in Scripture do we find the Father addressing the Son as “my God.”)

      HELL
      The word “hell” is found in many Bible translations. In the same verses other translations read “the grave,” “the world of the dead,” and so forth. Other Bibles simply transliterate the original-language words that are sometimes rendered “hell”; that is, they express them with the letters of our alphabet but leave the words untranslated. What are those words? The Hebrew she’ohlʹ and its Greek equivalent haiʹdes, which refer, not to an individual burial place, but to the common grave of dead mankind; also the Greek geʹen·na, which is used as a symbol of eternal destruction. However, both in Christendom and in many non-Christian religions it is taught that hell is a place inhabited by demons and where the wicked, after death, are punished (and some believe that this is with torment).

      Does the Bible indicate whether the dead experience pain?
      Eccl. 9:5, 10: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all . . . All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol,* the place to which you are going.” (If they are conscious of nothing, they obviously feel no pain.) (“Sheol,” AS, RS, NE, JB; “the grave,” KJ, Kx; “hell,” Dy; “the world of the dead,” TEV.)
      Ps. 146:4: “His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts
      do perish.” (“Thoughts,” KJ, 145:4 in Dy; “schemes,” JB; “plans,” RS, TEV.)
      Does the Bible indicate that the soul survives the death of the body?
      Ezek. 18:4: “The soul
      that is sinning—it itself will die.” (*“Soul,” KJ, Dy, RS, NE, Kx; “the man,” JB; “the person,” TEV.)
      “The concept of ‘soul,’ meaning a purely spiritual, immaterial reality, separate from the ‘body,’ . . . does not exist in the Bible.”—La Parole de Dieu (Paris, 1960), Georges Auzou, professor of Sacred Scripture, Rouen Seminary, France, p. 128.
      “Although the Hebrew word nefesh [in the Hebrew Scriptures] is frequently translated as ‘soul,’ it would be inaccurate to read into it a Greek meaning. Nefesh . . . is never conceived of as operating separately from the body. In the New Testament the Greek word psyche is often translated as ‘soul’ but again should not be readily understood to have the meaning the word had for the Greek philosophers. It usually means ‘life,’ or ‘vitality,’ or, at times, ‘the self.’”—The Encyclopedia Americana (1977), Vol. 25, p. 236.

    • Emery, repent before it is too late for you!

      • Emery

        Repent for serving God faithfully, and worshiping Him as He requires? Or is it the having studied His word, cover to cover, sentence by sentence, and meditating on each scripture, and having compared each scripture to each other scripture for 45 years? Or is it the teaching of God’s word to others so that they too might get saved? Which of these things do you think I should repent for? NONE OF THEM is the answer. I obey God, you obey men and religions. I know God’s word, you only know what religions want you to think. I think it’s you who needs some repenting, certainly not me. God REWARDS faithfulness Dianne. He punishes what you’re doing though.

        • @ Emery,
          Proverbs 29:1 He, that being OFTEN REPROVED HARDENETH his NECK, SHALL SUDDENLY BE DESTROYED, and that WITHOUT REMEDY.

          You only BLOVIATE about your knowledge, taking PRIDE in your own NARCISSISTIC self worth. You are an affront to Almighty God, and a STENCH in HIS NOSTRILS. Your SELF- AGGRANDISEMENT is obvious to most people that read your TWISTED and ARROGANT posts.

          2 Timothy 3:7 Ever LEARNING, and NEVER ABLE to come to the KNOWLEDGE of the TRUTH.

          Procerbs 18:12 Before DESTRUCTION the heart of man is HAUGHTY, and before honour is humility.

          You are a LIAR and the TRUTH is NOT in YOU. REPENT YOU EVIL DOER for your days are numbered. The LORD has been gracious to allow you time to REPENT for your ARROGANCE in thinking that YOU know HIM. But be WARNED for GOD’s SPIRIT WILL NOT always strive with man. Genesis 6:3

          NEW TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES ON HELL: Read them and repent for teaching HERESY. Emery if you continue to reject the whole TRUTH that is in God’s infallible word YOU will be CAST into ETERNAL HELL FIRE where you will REGRET for ETERNITY that you paid NO HEED!!!

          Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and UNBELIEVING, and the ABOMINABLE, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and IDOLATERS, and ALL LIARS, SHALL HAVE THEIR PART in the LAKE OF FIRE which BURNETH with FIRE and BRIMSTONE: which is the SECOND DEATH.

          HELL IS VERY, VERY REAL SO SAYS THE LORD OF GLORY!!! Mathew 10:28, Mathew 13:50.
          Mathew 25:46, Romans 6:23, Mark 9:43-48, 2 Thessalonians 1:9, Hebrews 10:26-31, Revelation 14:11, Revelation 20:10, Revelation 20:15,

          2 Timothy 2:15 STUDY to shew thyself APPROVED unto GOD, a workman that needeth NOT to be ASHAMED, RIGHTLY dividing the WORD of TRUTH.

    • Emery

      Dianne;
      One who knows little about God, and less about His inspired word has no business “reproving” anyone, since you are not spiritually mature enough to even know what you are saying, and how to say it. Your so called reproving is nothing more than nasty, abhorrent, and disgusting speech that God forbids. Your lack of humility is even worse. One without humility, to God, is no better than a murderer in His eyes, according to His word. Stop please being hypocritical and stop pretending to know what you are doing. What you spout is nothing more than what RELIGION has taught you. It is NOT what God teaches. Religions, ALL OF THEM, are false religion, since ONLY ONE REAL RELIGION EXISTS, and that is the “one true faith” Jesus taught. That is NOT what you are practicing. You are part of Christendom, Babylon the Great in other words. They are ALL pagan religions that claim to be Christian and which are part of Christendom. Most of your beliefs are pagan, having been added to Christendom over the past two thousand years. They are NOT what first century Christians believed. They only believed God’s inspired word. That is what I believe and practice. I am not part of any religion of man. You are basically attempting to say that that “one true faith” is not true religion, but what you practice is. The opposite is the truth in God’s word. Look it up. Do some research for a change, and MEDITATE on EACH SCRIPTURE YOU READ.

      • Emery, YOU are one to speak of hypocrisy and maturity. You NEED to remove that GIGANTIC BEAM from your own eye first. Mathew 7:1-5 All of your posts are FILLED with gross error and pretentious piety. You are a JW imposter posing as a Christian.

        You have AGED over the years but you have NOT MATURED in the things pertaining to GOD because YOU DO NOT KNOW HIM, Period. ” But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the SPIRIT OF GOD dwell in you. Now if any man HAVE NOT the the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, he is NONE OF HIS. Romans 8:9

        Your abhorrent verbiage is sheer nonsense and you need to REPENT. Psalm 51 will help you. The FOUNDER of the Jehovah’s Witness CULT is in HELL and so are his followers if they DID NOT REPENT and forsake their FALSE teachings and DOCTRINE OF DEVILS (1 Timothy 4:1-2) upon death. Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be ACCURSED.

        YOU will join them there if you do not REPENT and you will regret your refusal to reject this HERETICAL DOGMA. I have WARNED you in the LORD and it is now your decision to receive this warning and repent that you may receive forgiveness and mercy from the LORD of GLORY. Reject it to your own eternal destruction.

        Emery, I will leave you with this SCRIPTURE to meditate on:
        Mathew 22:11-13 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a MAN which HAD NOT on a wedding garment:
        And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither NOT having a wedding garment? And he was SPEECHLESS.
        Then said the KING to the servants, BIND him hand and foot, and TAKE him AWAY, and CAST him into OUTER DARKNESS, there SHALL BE WEEPING and GNASHING of TEETH.

        Emery, I will be praying that you will repent before it is too late. Also you should look into that Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) that you have going on. Your founder Charles Taze Russell and second president of the infamous JW CULT Joseph Franklin Rutherford were text book cases as well. You do PRIDE yourself in being such a great RESEARCHER. You are a textbook case for sure. You know how that old saying goes ” the NUT doesn’t fall far from the Tree.”

        1 John 2:19 THEY went out FROM us, but THEY were NOT of us; for if THEY had been of us, THEY would NO DOUBT have CONTINUED with us: but THEY WENT OUT, that THEY might be made MANIFEST that THEY were NOT all of us.

        • Emery

          Diane;
          Nothing could be farther from the truth. I obey God’s command to be His witness. I obey Jesus’ command to do the same for him as well. You don’t. I display NO hypocrisy, and I have a great deal of emotional, physical AND spiritual maturity. Something your post indicates that you lack greatly. Your post does NOT display ANY of the behaviors that God and Jesus both commanded us all to display. You show no Christian love for your neighbor in your posts. Both of them. Terrible language, and you said terrible things. You should be ashamed of yourself, but I am certain you are not, and that you won’t ask God for forgiveness for your behavior. You neither will repent for it, I am certain.

          Not ONE of my post contain even ONE error Dianne. Just because they do not match what your RELIGION teaches you, and your FALSELY TRANSLATED KJV Bible, does not mean I am in error. Actually, it means YOU are in error. What I posted is exactly what God’s word says, AND what it means. To the letter Dianne. And you lyingly claim I don’t know God. You have NO WAY of making that claim honestly. I actually have a tremendously close relationship with God, and with Jesus both. Something you probably will never experience, being part of religion as you are.

          None of my verbiage is abhorrent, except to Satan, and to those who do his bidding, as you probably must do, based on your comment. You mention “heretical dogma”. If God’s word is heretical dogma, then what are we to learn? God’s word is NOT heretical dogma. Sorry, but you are dead wrong.

          Quotes from your false post: “Also you should look into that Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) that you have going on. Your founder Charles Taze Russell and second president of the infamous JW CULT Joseph Franklin Rutherford were text book cases as well. ”

          I have no NPD. Sorry. I have no “founder”. I was born of a father and a mother, not founded. Russel and Rutherford are dead, so why do you attack dead people, and why do you attack God, and His inspired word, and why do you attack God’s servants? Are you so thoroughly satanic that you cannot help yourself Dianne? If that’s the case, maybe you need to stay away from computers. God’s witnesses are no cult. God started no cult. Claiming that He did I am sure angers Him greatly. You’re no different than those who thousands of years ago attacked, and killed God’s servants in Biblical times. Nothing changes. You believe ONLY what men teach you, and IGNORE what God teaches through His inspired word. I believe ONLY what His word says, nothing more, nothing less, and for that you attack me, because the scriptures don’t teach what your religion teaches. That’s why God and Jesus BOTH said all religions are false, and works of the flesh, and Babylon the Great. That’s why God intends to EXTERMINATE all who participate in them. Including you Dianne. Flee from her, as God commanded, and you may have a chance at not being exterminated. Your choice. God gives you that choice, as He is a God of LOVE. Something you fail to display entirely and completely. It is because you don’t know Him that you don’t have any love in you. One without love, doesn’t love the Father.

          • Dear Emery, I will ‘LOVINGLY’ REBUKE you in the LORD again since you DELIBERATELY AVOIDED addressing the ERROR of the CULT teachings of the Jehovah Witness WatchTower dogma. You can NOT refute the bible’s teachings on HELL and you know it. You DO NOT LOVE God because if you did you would OBEY HIS ( Jesus who is also GOD manifest in the flesh) Commandments. Please READ John 14:15-31 Your CORRUPT JW teachings deny the HOLY SPIRIT’S AUTHORITY in the believer’s life. You believe in WORKS salvation and not grace through faith which is the GIFT OF GOD least ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST. Please READ Ephesians 2:8-9

            Your posts to others is HARDLY LOVING and reading them I can still appropriately call you a HYPOCRIT as I did previously in my reply to you. I have read how so many individuals have tried to ” love” you into the TRUTH that is in God’s Holy word only to read your NAUSEATING REPLIES, filled with INSOLENCE. You only WHINE about people not being loving when you are CONFRONTED with TRUTH that you cannot deny, but insist on IGNORING.

            You are a NARCISSIST and a “wolf in sheeps clothing” and most people aren’t buying your ‘Snake Oil”. The guillible people that follow the JW teachings were drawn in by NARCISSIST like you. I still ‘ lovingly’ challenge you to RESEARCH the DISORDER, so that you can get some help before it is too late. Time is NOT on your side Emery. God is giving you a little more grace for you to REPENT before you are soon cut off from the land of the living if you continue in your vain disparaging rhetoric.

            Take this scripture to bed with you tonight as GOD lovingly CORRECTS YOU in HIS WORD.

            ISAIAH 66:2 FOR ALL THOSE THINGS HATH MINE HAND MADE, AND THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN, SAITH THE LORD: BUT TO THIS MAN WILL I LOOK, EVEN TO him that is poor and of a CONTRITE spirit, and TREMBLETH AT MY WORD.

            • Emery

              Dianne;
              A quote from your last post: “Dear Emery, I will ‘LOVINGLY’ REBUKE you in the LORD again since you DELIBERATELY AVOIDED addressing the ERROR of the CULT teachings of the Jehovah Witness WatchTower dogma. ” Let me explain something to you. First of all, nothing you ‘ve posted about God’s servants is accurate. What you THINK you know about God’s servants, comes from SECOND HAND INFORMATION, and NOT from any first hand, direct contact with any of them. You have never sat down with them, never asked them about their beliefs and activities and preaching, and therefore cannot make any INFORMED comments about any of them. God said that we ALL are to be His servants: Isaiah 43:10 “You are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah,
              “Yes, my servant whom I have chosen,
              So that you may know and have faith in me
              And understand that I am the same One.
              Before me no God was formed,

              And after me there has been none.
              11 I—I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior.”
              12 “I am the One who declared and saved and made known
              When there was no foreign god among you.
              So you are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “and I am God.

              Jesus, later, created the Christian CONGREGATION, not the Christian church, as the KJV has falsely translated the word “ecclesia”. Matthew 16:18 Also, I say to you: You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my congregation, and the gates of the Grave will not overpower it.

              These verses are accurate as compared to ALL of the ancient texts from which all Bibles are translated. Yours, however, isn’t accurately translated. This is the result of over 40 years of study and research, beginning in college in the mid 1970’s. Don’t lie and say it’s “JW dogma”, because no such dogma exists. All of what God’s witnesses believe and teach and preach comes ONLY FROM GOD’S WORD. They have no “dogma” their own, save that which comes from God the Almighty. Your heresay information you THINK is true, is not. Your religion is lying to you. Since God’s word says all religions of man are false, I don’t see why you believe them over God, who CREATED all men. Religions didn’t. God didn’t create the religions, Satan inspired their creation. Again, you claim God said “you are my cult members” instead of what He really said, “you are my witnesses”. Were I you, I would choose to believe God instead of the religion you believe over God’s word.

              Another quote of yours: “You can NOT refute the bible’s teachings on HELL and you know it. “. Dianne, there exist NO teachings on hell in the inspired word of God. They DO exist in the word of King James the first though. Me, I choose to believe God, instead of a king who CHANGED God’s word to match the beliefs of the Church of England. But you go ahead and believe whatever you want., God gives you that choice to either live or die. Believing the false translation that you believe, though, does mean your death.

              Another quote: “You DO NOT LOVE God because if you did you would OBEY HIS ( Jesus who is also GOD manifest in the flesh) Commandments.”. Dianne, again you say things that are abhorrent and disobedient to God. You cannot honestly say that I don’t live God, since I do, and He loves me. I obey all of His commands, and do the ENTIRETY of His will for us all. You don’t, since you insult Him and His only BEGOTTEN son, Jesus. Jesus is GOD’S SON, whom God CREATED as the “firstborn of all creation”. The FIRST THING GOD CREATED. But you go ahead an believe your false religion, that God intends to exterminate, along with all who participate in it. It’s YOUR choice.

              Another quote: ” Your CORRUPT JW teachings deny the HOLY SPIRIT’S AUTHORITY in the believer’s life. ” There exist no “CORRUPT JW teachings” Dianne. Not a single one. You wouldn’t know that, since you don’t know God’s word, and you don’t know one single first hand thing about the society known as Jehovah’s Witnesses. All you THINK you know about that society is what lying religin says about them, and what false internet articles say. None of your supposed information is first hand, from your OWN face to face research. This shows you to be VERY DISHONEST. And God’s spirit HAS NO AUTHORITY. God USES His spirit to accomplish everything, it’s not a person, and it cannot think or do things on it’s own. If you’d actually STUDIED an accurate copy of God’s word, not just read a falsely translated copy, you would know that for yourself. But you rely on a false religion to tell you what God’s word means. You don’t seek to find out what it says for yourself. Sadly, this most likely means your destruction in the tribulation, when the governments go after all of Christendom. If you survive that, which is not likely, then immediately after the tribulation, the final battle will see your extermination. Since you’re not one of the annointed, and you’re not one of the great crowd, you won’t survive.

              You claim that my posts are “hardly loving”. On the contrary. If they weren’t loving, they wouldn’t have been posted. Telling all the truth about God and His word is life saving, if those reading and hearing it take it to heart, which very few, such as yourself, ever do. That’s why most all will be exterminated from the face of the Earth, sadly.

              Following what God’s witnesses teach doesn’t mean one is “gullible”, it means they want to know God, since all of those in the society teach the inspired word of God. Why you continue to insult God and His word is a mystery to me. I wish you would stop it. God’s word is the ONLY truth on Earth, and you constantly demean and disparage it. You constantly insult God, Jesus, and God’s word, and God’s servants. It’s as though you don’t want anyone to experience being saved during the final battle and the tribulation. It’s as though you are actually working directly for Satan to ensure as many as possible die. Me, I seek to save people, you seek to see them die.

            • Emery

              Dianne;
              Your BLATANT lie that I don’t obey God is hypocrisy at it’s greatest. I ALWAYS obey God, and in fact, I obeyed Him in finding out FOR MYSELF what God’s word actually teaches. YOU DID NOT. I did it for over 40 years. And for that you LYINGLY claim I am a narcissist for having done it. You posess NO WISDOM OR LOVE or OBEDIENCE to God, ever. You as well are REQUIRED to obey God in finding out for yourself what God’s word teaches. INSTEAD, you only believe what a religion tells you to believe. You only use a false translation, instead of accurate information. God said we are to take in ACCURATE information daily from His word. You only take in false information, and not even daily at that. You claim that His servants are cult members. God created NO CULT Dianne, but your false “born again religion” is the closest thing to a cult I’ve ever seen. You ALL refuse completely to even entertain the FACT that your religion is false, and that it lies to you with it’s every word. You flatly deny that you may not know what God’s word really teaches. Therefore, it’s not possible for you to even know God. It’s not possible for you to even obey Him, since you REFUSE TO DO SO. And those who do obey Him, you call names and lie about them. It’s as though you really do thoroughly support Satan, and NOT GOD. Your complete lack of humility insults Him.

    • Dianne

      Emery,
      This is the word of the LORD( Jehovah ) to you and I am sincerely hoping and praying that you will pay heed to it. If you mock this message from the HOLY SPIRIT which is blasphemy, you do soar your own peril.
      For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of GOD; Romans 3:23

      Emery, you must REPENT and RENOUNCE the Jehovah Witness Cult teachings and ask the Lord to baptize you in the HOLY SPIRIT. Acts 2:38-39

      Emery, you have done GREAT EVIL in the sight of the LORD GOD by upholding the erroneous and demonic teachings of JW cult leader Charles Taze Russell. He abode not in the Truth as his father the devil refused to do. John 8:32&44 and John 16:11
      The teachings of the JW Cult deny the HOLY SPIRIT and the scriptural teachings regarding the SPIRIT OF TRUTH. Charles Taze Russell Remained a ‘ wolf in sheep’s clothing’ and so do those who propagate his demonic inspired dogma.

      Emery, you are accursed of God if you remain in these teachings and continue in proselytizing others into the CULT of JW that is an affront to ALMIGHTY GOD. Galatians 1:8-9

      This will be your fate if you reject this warning. Destruction will come to you in a day and hour that you least suspect.

      Emery,
      Turn you at my reproof: behold I pour out my words unto you.
      Because I called and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
      But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:
      I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;
      When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you. Proverbs 1:23-27

      Emery,
      Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
      If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
      But if you refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it. Isaiah 1:18-20

      Emery,
      And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn into the Lord your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil. Joel 2:13

      Emery,
      You have been warned and you will be without excuse in the day of your judgement if you refuse to repent.

      Sincerely in Christ Jesus the Lord,
      Dianne

    • Emery

      Dianne;
      You claim that YOU are the word of God? Now that’s a new one. No, you are not the word of God. Your repeated claim that God started a cult is insulting to me, AND to God. He didn’t start a cult Dianne, but you are certainly wrapped up in one. A quote: “Emery, you must REPENT and RENOUNCE the Jehovah Witness Cult teachings and ask the Lord to baptize you in the HOLY SPIRIT. Acts 2:38-39” How can God’s witnesses have “cult teachings” Dianne, since EVERYTHING any JW teaches is the word of God, straight from a Bible. You claim that God’s servants are a cult, and that the Bible is filled with cult teachings. AMAZING. God is watching your every move Dianne. Keep that in mind as you insult Him. You claim that I “upholding the erroneous and demonic teachings of JW cult leader Charles Taze Russell”. How is that possible, since he teaches NOTHING, having been DEAD for decades. And the only thing he taught was straight out of a Bible as well. You are CERTAINLY MISINFORMED, and you attack people who cannot defend themselves, SINCE THEY’RE DEAD. You’re REALLY WAY OUT THERE Dianne. You need help, the kind professionals only can help you with. You are delusional. You know not one single factual thing about those who are God’s witnesses on Earth today. What you CLAIM to know is ALL FALSE. And yet you make statements about them that could not possibly be true. This shows quite clearly that you are very dishonest. Until you actually know what you’re talking about, regarding God’s servants, AND GOD’S WORD, then please, keep quiet. You know NOTHING about either one.

      • Dianne

        Emery,
        I NEVER claimed that I was the word of GOD. Truly you are the delusional one. You can’t even rightly respond to my replies to you without GROSS EXAGGERATION.

        Russell and Rurherford are indeed dead and they are also burning in HELL for their CULT teachings. They twisted the words of God to their own demonic inspired likings. They lied through their Watch Tower Tract and Bible Society.

        JW Cult leaders are LIARS and your phony religion separates family members and friends if they leave your lying cult. I know plenty about the JW CULT and what they teach and do from my own personal experience with those who left that WICKED CULT of SATAN.

        Emery, tell me what you believe about the HOLY SPIRIT. Tell me about HIM from scripture.

        • Emery

          Dianne;
          Indeed you DID. A quote: “This is the word of the LORD( Jehovah ) to you and I am sincerely hoping and praying that you will pay heed to it.” And then you went into one of your rants. You quoted no scripture, just attacked. Ad hominem style too , I might add.

          You lyingly claimed Rutherford and Russell are “burning in hell”. Since the Bible describes hell as the “common grave of mankind”, and NOT some fictitious place of fire and torment, then your statement is quite unlikely. NO ONE “burns in hell” ever. For such a thing to happen, God would need to COOPERATE with Satan, and that doesn’t happen. God would need to ask Satan to tempt people into sinning, and THEN allow Satan to take them for eternal torture. What makes you think God would cooperate with His number one enemy? That’s simply foolish thinking on your part. And no, Rutherford and Russel were both annointed adopted sons of God, and were resurrected to spirit life in heaven as co-kings with the Christ. All of the remnant are so resurrected. That is the “first resurrection” spoken of in Revelation. The second resurrection is all who didn’t know God, or who died in Jesus’ name, or who remained faithful to God before their death, who NEVER became part of any religion of mankind and remained no part of the world. God’s word is very clear on these points, but YOU missed them I suppose.

          Your narcissistic belief that anyone who doesn’t believe the LIES of your fake religion is in a cult is just so rediculous as to cause belly laughts. AND your false belief that a SOCIETY is a religion is even more hilarious. The society is a society of ministers of God who are all part of the “one true faith” taught by Jesus, and who ALSO are members of the society. God nor His son created NO CULT as you continue to claim constantly and incessantly. Why you insult them both is beyond understanding. Why you insult God’s word also is beyond understanding. You are part of the antichrist spoken of in Revelation., Opposing God, God’s word, and God’s son makes you antichrist. WHY you oppose them, I can’t say, but clearly, you do.

          You claim that anyone who is a JW is a liar. That’s impossible, since all who are in the society obey God’s EVERY COMMAND, and not lying is one of God’s commands. So it is YOU who is the liar. And again, I have no “phony religion”. What Jesus taught us to do IS NOT PHONY. You think your religion is superior to Jesus’ teachings. How can that be? The answer must be that IT CANNOT BE. The “one true faith” is superior to all fake religions. It is the ONLY REAL RELIGION that exists. Anything else claiming to be religion is lying. Only one exists. Jesus taught it. We are part of it. You reject it. For your rejection of Jesus’ teachings you attack anyone who DOESN’T reject it. Amazingly childish behavior. And God, and Jesus, ARE NOT SATAN. They didn’t start any cult either. Jesus’ teachings are NOT a cult of Satan, as you claim.

          And now you want me to teach you? After your attacking of me, of God, of Jesus, of Jesus’ teachings, and of God’s inspired word? Not hardly.

          • Dianne

            Emery, how convenient for you to partially quote what I posted to you. I DID add scripture which was ‘ For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;’ Romans 1:20-21
            Please take the time to thoroughly read my posts before you try to deliberately attempt to misquote me. Nevertheless you can add this scripture for further understanding of why I am even bothering to warn you that your REPENTANCE must come before your last breath is snatched from your mouth and then you will face the JUDGEMENT.

            Charles Taze Russell began his lying CULT, Jehovah witness in July of 1879 and made several False prophecies that never came to fruition including his 1914 failed prophecy. JW Watch Tower magazine is full of twisted lying dogma to fool the gullible and unsuspecting populace. 2 Peter 1:20-21 states that Scripture is of NO ONE MAN’S interpretation. Charles Taze Russell did NOT KNOW the LORD, neither did he have all the answers. He REBELLED against the written words of GOD to his own ETERNAL DESTRUCTION!
            2 Tmothy 3:7
            HELL IS VERY, VERY REAL.
            Mathew 10:28, Mathew 13:50, Mathew 25:46, Mark 9:4348, Romans 6:23, 2 Thessalonians 1:9, Hebrews10:26-31, Revelation 14:11, Revelation 20:10,13-15

            JW encourage family members to have NO FURTHER communications or fellowships with their family members or friends who leave their cult teachings on a PERMANENT basis. Treating them as though they were dead. Thousands of families have been wounded by this demonic cult teachings. That is a WELL KNOWN FACT from ex- converts. I even know of several wounded people who AWAKENED to the TRUTH about the JW CULT. Also GOD has many, many names besides Jehovah. Since you claim to be so learned you should already know that. Did you worship ELOHIM/ ADONAI/ YAHWEH this morning?

            Since you mentioned Narcissism again, I’ll ask you if you have looked into the various symptoms of those affected by this disorder?You may well benefit from looking into it. Try not responding to my post or anyone’s for that matter for the next 3 days to see if you are NOT obsessed with the Internet. Especially the NTEB website. Try taking the challenge.

            If you respond before Friday, that maybe a good indication of NPD and OCD. Many people who start cults and follow cult leaders have this disorder. This may explain your unwavering adoration and fascination with JW dogma.

            • Emery

              Dianne;
              Convenient? No. Accurate? Certainly. You claimed to be the word of God. You can’t wiggle out of it.

              Your attacks on God’s servants only shows your desperation. Your attacks of the dead shows it even more clearly. Claiming God’s annointed started a cult is even worse. Russel started a SOCIETY. God initiated His witnesses. yet, you attack both God AND His servants, AND His word, AND His son.

              Your stupid little claims of psychiatric diagnoses shows a lack of maturity both emotionally, AND spiritually, AND shows a complete disregard for the teachings in God’s inspired word.

              Your suggestions go un-accepted. It’s not up to you, or anyone else, whether I reply to a post, make a post, go fishing, work, or do ANYTHING ELSE. It’s NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. I really would like to suggest that you grow up and try to gain some maturity, so that at least you might APPEAR to be what you are obviously not, an adult.

    • Dianne

      Emery,
      You have LIED that I ever claimed to be the word of God. How preposterous is that. You have LIED AGAIN because of your propensity to do so. I corrected you and now you have DELIBERATELY DISTORTED it again.

      It only took a few minutes for you to FAIL the challenge I proposed to you. Proving to me that without a doubt that you have NPD and OCD. Trolling NTEB is QUITE an obsession with you no doubt.

      Ezekiel 33 Emery before it is TOO LATE for you. I have given YOU plenty of GOD’S WORD that you CAN NEVER REFUTE!

      • Emery

        Now you’re simply being rediculous, and childish. I NEVER lie, about anything, ever Dianne. I do wish the same were true in your case, but it’s definately not.

        As far as your childish challenge Dianne, I don’t accede to childishness. I don’t ever accept “challenges” either. They’re nothing but completely stupid. And you are NOT a psychiatric professional, and therefore have lied about your so called “proof” about NCD and OCD. And again you lied about this “trolling”. Your desperation is blatantly obvious. You cannot logically, maturely, discuss ANYTHING without using childish “challenges” and childish made up disgnoses, and claiming those with whom you are inable to discuss things are “obsessed”. It is you who has an obsession. Had you not, you wouldn’t continue to stalk me on this blog with your childishness, and your complete and total inability to understand even the simplest sentences in the scriptures.

        • Dianne

          Emery,
          You are truly pathetic. Every time you post something it is a lie. You have yet to REFUTE any SCRIPTURES that have spoken TRUTH to you.
          If you don’t want to respond to me then Don’t. I am not stalking you. You are truly PARANOID.

          • Emery

            No Dianne, I never lie. You ARE stalking me. No, I am NOT paranoid., You have no idea how to carry on a conversation, discuss anything, or debate anything. Your idea of all three is to attack, and to accuse, and to lie. Since righteousness and unrighteousness have no fellowship, I cannot continue to discuss (and I use the term very loosely in your case) anything with you, being as unrighteous as you are. Have a nice life, because this life is all you will ever receive as a reward. Make the most of it. Do not continue to stalk or bother me please.

            • Dianne

              Emery,
              But the FEARFUL, and UNBELIEVING, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and IDOLATERS, and ALL LIARS, shall have their part in the LAKE OF FIRE which BURNETH with FIRE and BRIMSTONE: which is the SECOND DEATH. Revelation 21:8

              There is a way which seemeth RIGHT unto a man, but the END thereof are the ways of death. Proverbs 14:12

              And It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the JUDGEMENT. Hebrews 9:27

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    • Wendy j

      You Christians and pasters get on my nerves who do you think you are. And all this God Almighty crap. Really who are you. You will never touch my soul as my soul decides. I’m not religious or church goer. I am spiritual and know truth. All these religions are trouble and to put fear into people. I don’t fear what you say. And really is God almighty a man in the sky who judges and punishes why bull…..Karma is real state of mind is real evolved souls are real devolved souls are real evil is real and good is real. Yes there is evil I don’t fear it though that’s what it wants. And I don’t listen to all the religious crap imsee right through it all. Yes there are some souls here just now who see all

      • Emery

        Wendy;
        One does not HAVE a soul, one IS a soul when alive and breathing. When we die, we die. The soul is dead. We ARE the soul. Nothing survives our death, and hell, of fire and torment is fiction. It DOESN’T exist. Hell, the ONE time it’s mentioned in the Bible, refers to the “common grave of man”. God is not a “man”. Man refers to humans, and God is not human. He has always existed, and will have no end, and created EVERYTHING that exists. You as well. Yes, ALL religion is “false religion” and is in opposition to God. NONE work FOR God. Not a single one, except what Jesus taught in the first century, and he created NO church. The most commonly used Bible is a fraud. It’s falsely translated from the 16,000 ancient texts, DELIBERATELY, to mislead people. And it DOES mislead people very effectively. Evil wants nothing, it’s not alive. It’s what most people are.

        • Animals hasn’t soul. So you are an animal?

          • Emery

            NOTHING has a soul. Everything that breathes IS a soul. Adam BECAME a living soul, he was not GIVEN a soul. When we die, nothing is left of us. We do not HAVE a soul separate from us. Yes, all breathings are souls, INCLUDING all animals that breathe. Why must you argue with God’s inspired word? Is it that you DISAGREE with God? Trust me, He is WAY smarter than you or anyone else. His thoughts are HIGHER than our thoughts.

            • 1 Thes 5:
              23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
              Is soul doesn’t exist, why Paul mention is as a part of human being?
              Matthew 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
              It’s Jesus’ words. Can He tell something err?

            • Emery

              01e1ngvar;
              Paul didn’t mention it as a part of a human being. One must UNDERSTAND what the scriptures actually say. One must take in EVERY scripture when considering what one of them says. There exist many that say we have no immortal soul. They say the soul that sins will DIE. They say that nothing survives our death, and that from dust we came, and to dust we shall return. Soul and life are SYNONYMS in the scriptures. They mean THE SAME THING. We ARE a living soul. Saying you will “lose your soul” means you will “lose your life”. It doesn’t mean you will be separated from your soul. That is a pagan teaching from the ancient religions of Babylon that were ALL PAGAN. It’s a pagan teaching, NOT a scriptural one. All religions of Christendom are mostly pagan since most of their teachings are pagan. Jesus died on a torture stake (stauros in ancient Koine Greek), NOT on a cross, which was ALWAYS the pagan symbol for Tammuz, a pagan god. The cross is the “tau”, the symbol for Tammuz. The concept of hellfire is pagan also. It comes from their underworld and was ADDED to Christendom in the fourth or fifth century, and was ADDED to translations of scriptures, like the KJV. No word for hell exists in the original ancient texts. Not one of the 16,000 of them we have available to research contains ANY word for hell, damnation, or hellfire or cross. Many things in Christendom are not scriptural. In fact MOST of the teachings of Christendom are DELIBERATELY WRONG, so as to mislead as many as possible. Revelation 12:9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth;

              Ezekiel 18:4 Look! All the souls—to me they belong. As the soul of the father so likewise the soul of the son—to me they belong. The soul that is sinning—it itself will die.

              This scripture says all living creatures belong to Jehovah, and the soul that sins will DIE. In fact, EVERYTHING that Jehovah created BELONGS to Jehovah. Us, our house, the Earth, and so on.

              Eccl. 9:5: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all.”

              Ps. 146:4: “His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts [“thoughts,” KJ, 145:4 in Dy; “all his thinking,” NE; “plans,” RS, NAB] do perish.”

              John 11:11-14: “‘Lazarus our friend has gone to rest, but I am journeying there to awaken him from sleep.’ . . . Jesus said to them outspokenly: ‘Lazarus has died.’” (Also Psalm 13:3)

              Isa. 53:12: “He poured out his soul [“soul,” RS, KJ, Dy; “life,” TEV; “himself,” JB, Kx, NAB] to the very death.” (Compare Matthew 26:38.)

              Eccl. 9:6: “Their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun.”
              Isa. 26:14: “They are dead; they will not live. Impotent in death, they will not rise up.”

              SOUL:
              In the Bible, “soul” is translated from the Hebrew neʹphesh and the Greek psy·kheʹ. Bible usage shows the soul to be a person or an animal or the life that a person or an animal enjoys. To many persons, however, “soul” means the immaterial or spirit part of a human being that survives the death of the physical body. Others understand it to be the principle of life. But these latter views are not Bible teachings.

              Gen. 2:7: “Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul.” (Notice that this does not say that man was given a soul but that he became a soul, a living person.) (The part of the Hebrew word here rendered “soul” is neʹphesh. KJ, AS, and Dy agree with that rendering. RS, JB, NAB read “being.” NE says “creature.” Kx reads “person.”)
              1 Cor. 15:45: “It is even so written: ‘The first man Adam became a living soul.’ The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.” (So the Christian Greek Scriptures agree with the Hebrew Scriptures as to what the soul is.) (The Greek word here translated “soul” is the accusative case of psy·kheʹ. KJ, AS, Dy, JB, NAB, and Kx also read “soul.” RS, NE, and TEV say “being.”)
              1 Pet. 3:20: “In Noah’s days . . . a few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water.” (The Greek word here translated “souls” is psy·khaiʹ, the plural form of psy·kheʹ. KJ, AS, Dy, and Kx also read “souls.” JB and TEV say “people”; RS, NE, and NAB use “persons.”)
              Gen. 9:5: “Besides that, your blood of your souls [or, “lives”; Hebrew, from neʹphesh] shall I ask back.” (Here the soul is said to have blood.)
              Josh. 11:11: “They went striking every soul [Hebrew, neʹphesh] that was in it with the edge of the sword.” (The soul is here shown to be something that can be touched by the sword, so these souls could not have been spirits.)

              Gen. 1:20, 21, 24, 25: “God went on to say: ‘Let the waters swarm forth a swarm of living souls* . . . ’ And God proceeded to create the great sea monsters and every living soul that moves about, which the waters swarmed forth according to their kinds, and every winged flying creature according to its kind. . . . And God went on to say: ‘Let the earth put forth living souls according to their kinds . . . ’ And God proceeded to make the wild beast of the earth according to its kind and the domestic animal according to its kind and every moving animal of the ground according to its kind.” (*In Hebrew the word here is neʹphesh. Ro reads “soul.” Some translations use the rendering “creature[s].”)
              Lev. 24:17, 18: “In case a man strikes any soul [Hebrew, neʹphesh] of mankind fatally, he should be put to death without fail. And the fatal striker of the soul [Hebrew, neʹphesh] of a domestic animal should make compensation for it, soul for soul.” (Notice that the same Hebrew word for soul is applied to both mankind and animals.)
              Rev. 16:3: “It became blood as of a dead man, and every living soul* died, yes, the things in the sea.” (Thus the Christian Greek Scriptures also show animals to be souls.) (*In Greek the word here is psy·kheʹ. KJ, AS, and Dy render it “soul.” Some translators use the term “creature” or “thing.”)

              Ezek. 18:4: “Look! All the souls—to me they belong. As the soul of the father so likewise the soul of the son—to me they belong. The soul* that is sinning—it itself will die.” (*Hebrew reads “the neʹphesh.” KJ, AS, RS, NE, and Dy render it “the soul.” Some translations say “the man” or “the person.”)
              Matt. 10:28: “Do not become fearful of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul [or, “life”]; but rather be in fear of him that can destroy both soul* and body in Gehenna.” (*Greek has the accusative case of psy·kheʹ. KJ, AS, RS, NE, TEV, Dy, JB, and NAB all render it “soul.”)
              Acts 3:23: “Indeed, any soul [Greek, psy·kheʹ] that does not listen to that Prophet will be completely destroyed from among the people.”

              Eccl. 12:7: “Then the dust returns to the earth just as it happened to be and the spirit [or, life-force; Hebrew, ruʹach] itself returns to the true God who gave it.” (Notice that the Hebrew word for spirit is ruʹach; but the word translated soul is neʹphesh. The text does not mean that at death the spirit travels all the way to the personal presence of God; rather, any prospect for the person to live again rests with God. In similar usage, we may say that, if required payments are not made by the buyer of a piece of property, the property “returns” to its owner.) (KJ, AS, RS, NE, and Dy all here render ruʹach as “spirit.” NAB reads “life breath.”)
              Eccl. 3:19: “There is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit [Hebrew, ruʹach].” (Thus both mankind and beasts are shown to have the same ruʹach, or spirit. For comments on verses 20, 21, see page 383.)
              Heb. 4:12: “The word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul [Greek, psy·khesʹ; “life,” NE] and spirit [Greek, pneuʹma·tos], and of joints and their marrow, and is able to discern thoughts and intentions of the heart.” (Observe that the Greek word for “spirit” is not the same as the word for “soul.”)

            • 01e1ngvar

              If soul isn’t part of human, why Paul divide spirit, soul and body? Even Christ said about soul. It can die, sure, in Lake of Fire. But it designed for eternity.
              Word σταυρον means T-shaped construction used by Romans for executions. Anyway He died with worst death ever for our sins.
              You have solid proof, what has been added? By whom and when? Show me them then or stop typing these massives of nonsence data.

            • Emery

              Paul didn’t “divide” anything at all. Lake of fire is a reference to total destruction, which is also referred to as “Gehenna”. Gehenna is a reference to the “valley of the sons of Hin-Nom” which is adjacent to Jerusalem. In the first century, it was a burning trash dump where sulphur (brimstone) was poured on the fires to keep them burning, so everything was burned to ash. It meant completely destroyed to ash. Gehenna, the Lake of Fire, refers to destruction and being removed from Jehovah’s infinite memory, so that one will not be resurrected. It’s also called “the second death”. There is no literal lake of fire, it is a metaphor. A figure of speech. Stauros TODAY means cross, but NOT in the first century. Then, it meant stake or pole. Nothing more. It was most commonly used to describe fence posts. No secular texts refer to any cross as being used for executions. In the scriptures, they describe Jesus as being murdered on a torture STAKE, not a cross. When you look up a definition of a koine Greek word from the first century, you CANNOT use a modern translation of it, and understand what they meant in the first century. It is not, usually, the same definition.

              I have NEVER typed “these massives of nonsence data.” ever. Everything I’ve posted is 100% accurate. I’ve spent more years researching and translating than you’ve even been alive, so don’t try to tell me you are more educated in these matters. It just makes you look silly. Solid proof? I have plenty, but I don’t have the time or the inclination to post word for word all the mistranslations in almost all modern translations of the scriptures. I’m certain you can find them yourself. You can start by looking for Gehenna, Hades, and Sheol in the KJV Bible. Those words are in the ancient texts, but NOT in the KJV Bible. The ancient 16,000 existent texts contain God’s NAME, Jehovah, over 7,210 times, and in the KJV, it appears only 4 times. Revelation says to add or take away ANY word of scriptures makes that one GOD’S ENEMY. There is proof positive right there that someone took away God’s name over 7,000 times. Hell didn’t exist in any of the ancient texts, but it’s in the KJV 55 times. That’s ADDING words. Removing Hades, Sheol and Gehenna is REMOVING words. Research the internet for “KJV only” and start reading. Many articles are available, as is much research into it. God DIDN’T inspire ANY translations of His inspired word. He inspired His word to be written in ancient Koine Greek, and in ancient Hebrew. Neither language is in use today. A form of them is, but not those exact languages. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH. I am not here to prove anything to you. I am not here to do YOUR work for you. God COMMANDS us to take in ACCURATE knowledge of Him daily. You are commanded by Him to find these things out for yourself. Get to work. And you have no right, morally or otherwise, to tell me what to do, or what to stop doing, so don’t do it.

            • 01e1ngvar

              same old song…you know, in my country exist proverb – “look in a book and see only finger”. That’s about you. And don’t tell me about 25 years of researches – it’s just a wind whistle. If you spent such time for studying Bible – then where’s fruits such as born from High and gifts of Holy Spirit? You haven’t any. Then how can you “heal” us all about “I’m right, u r all wrong”?
              It doesn’t matter, how Jesus was killed. By what, by whom and on what kind of wood construction. It does matter, how you react on this Great Event.

          • Larry/vietnamvet1971

            well I will Believe Paul’s revelation & his message over a mere mortal man on this blog.

            and thanks Bro. for the Good Word from paul after all Paul should KNOW more than any one person.

            Keep up the Rebuttals and sharing the True Word of Truth.

            • Emery

              Funny how you say you believe the “good word from Paul”, rather than man, yet you believe what MAN teaches rather than what the scriptures teach. You don’t see dishonesty in doing that? No need to answer, I know the answer already.

            • Larry/vietnamvet1971

              emery you must be a pitiful, poor, naked, lonely little man sitting in a little room all alone with yourself and you prove / show what you are”is the NTEB the only life you have..spewing enough of your Gibberish on the NTEB wall hoping some poor unbeliever, not very smart person reads your tripe will believe you..

              Has GOD designated you his personal spokesman in here……Get over yourself and quit being a JERK…

              NO ONE likes you in here for that very reason NO one likes Self Righteous JERKS, believe me we ALL can see ONE when they open their mouth or comments their version of things.

              I am waiting for your Big Diatribe reply your Lashing out like an Immature adult.

            • Emery

              NO Larry, I am not pitiful, poor, naked, lonely, or little. I am not sitting in a little room all alone either. I NEVER “spew” gibberish either. And according to God’s word, YOU are an unbeliever. NOTHING can be “proven” to you. You refuse to let God tell you ANYTHING. Neither do I have any “tripe” and neither do I type it. MANY believe me, and draw close to God as a result. That’s what I do, I try to get people to draw close to our Creator, Jehovah God, so that they might be saved. YOU, on the other hand work to PREVENT anyone from such salvation for some reason. You have a LOT of blood on your hands, and God will ask that blood back when the time comes. How will you answer then? You CANNOT. Plain and simple.

          • Emery

            If what you THINK a scripture says CONTRADICTS any other scripture, then your understanding of that scripture is WRONG. NO scripture contradicts ANY OTHER SCRIPTURE. One MUST take into consideration EVERY OTHER SCRIPTURE when trying to understand any scripture. They ALL must harmonize. If you THINK one scripture indicates that a soul survives our death, then that would mean all the other scriptures that say we DON’T have an immortal soul would then be wrong. No, the ones that say we DON’T have an immortal soul are correct. If you THINK a scripture says Jesus is his own father, then all the other scriptures that say he ISN’T God would be wrong. Since NO scripture contradicts any other scripture, your understanding MUST be wrong. You need to re-adjust your understanding of that one scripture. God’s word goes to great lengths to tell us that Jesus is GOD’S ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. Begotten means created. How could God create Himself? Your understanding needs re-adjusting. It’s the ENTIRE Bible we must study and know before we can know what any one scripture means. Relying on what others tell you, or what ANY religion tells you, is to disobey God, and to spit in His eye, making you His enemy. It is on GOD ALONE we must rely for accurate information about Himself, NOT on man or religions, all of which are said to be “false religion” by God. He COMMANDED us to “flee” from all of them. To be part of one is also to spit in God’s eye and become His enemy. It’s your choice though, but a BAD choice.

          • Dianne

            Hello 01e1ngvar,
            I have greatly enjoyed your posts that speak of God’s TRUTH in HIS infallible word. Continue in the TRUTH brother because you’ve got it RIGHT.

            Peace and blessings,
            Dianne

            Proverbs 23:23 Buy the TRUTH, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.

            Mathew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the SOUL: but rather fear him which is able to DESTROY both SOUL and BODY
            in hell.

            Luke 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed the body hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

            • Emery

              Since you saw fit to butt in, I will tell you to what those scriptures refer. “Mathew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the SOUL”. Kill the soul refers to the second death. Removal from God’s memory so you won’t be resurrected.

          • Larry/vietnamvet1971

            I understand where you are coming from..but we are debating a Rude, Big, Bad Bully who Lashes out at any one that stand up to the Bully..he is a god in his own perverted mind…and thinks he is a gift to NTEB in here to keep us in his line…….I have NEVER seen such a SELF RIGHTEOUS Jerk and he thinks he is the ONLY one saved and the rest of us are not because we do not take his bait, line & sinker….how does he get into a door with such a BIG HEAD puffed up in himself..

            • Emery

              Larry;
              You are wrong on all counts. It is YOU who attacks, calls names, and engages in ad hominem attacks, and shows haughtiness and a total lack of brotherly love, not me. And maybe, you need to look in the mirror if you’ve never seen such a SELF RIGHTEOUS jerk. It’s YOU who disobeys God by engaging in religion, not me. It’s YOU who refuses to take in ACCURATE knowledge of God, daily, AS HE COMMANDED, not me. It’s YOU who disobeys almost ALL of God’s commands daily, not me. I obey Him as much as a human can. You do quite the opposite. I work to draw others to draw close to God. YOU, on the other hand, seek to shove them AWAY from God. It’s you who has blood on your hands, not me. Have you ever even prayed for forgiveness to Jehovah, in Jesus’ name, for killing your fellow man, and then repented?

            • Emery

              Larry;
              You DO realize that liars will NOT inherit the Kingdom of God don’t you? Your post above is FILLED with outright lies, haughtiness, and an attempt to keep someone from drawing close to God.

      • Dianne

        Hello Wendy J, I can see from your post that you are not a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ. However I would like to share this scripture with you so that you can read the Truth of God’s heart for your soul salvation. I know that it will be a blessing for you if you are seeking absolute TRUTH.
        John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

        Further Scriptures on the SOUL
        Genesis 2:17, Genesis 35:18
        Ecclesiastes 12:7
        Hebrews 4:12
        Mathew 16:26
        Luke 1:46-47
        1 Thessalonians 4:13-17

        Peace and Blessings,
        Dianne

      • Larry/vietnamvet1971

        welcome satan’s daughter to NTEB blog, pay no attention to emery NTEB resident Know it ALL..Gesh!

        • Emery

          Larry;
          Must you be such a fervent and faithful servant of Satan always? You certainly work VERY hard as do others, to prevent anyone you can from drawing close to Jehovah, so that they will be destroyed along with you. Every time you succeed, their blood is on your hands.

        • Dianne

          Hello Larry, did you read the gracious manner in which I approached Wendy J, in hopes of drawing her to Christ? Please read it so that you can see that non believers need honey and not vinegar to draw them.

          Peace and blessings,
          Dianne

    • Dianne

      Emery, Mathew 10:28 is clearly SOUND DOCTRINE and needs NO interpretation from you!

      2 Peter 1:20-21 KNOWING this first, that NO PROPHECY of scripture is of ANY PRIVATE INTERPRETATION,
      For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of MAN: but holy men of God spake as they were MOVED by the HOLY GHOST.

      • Larry/vietnamvet1971

        Dianne..we are dealing with a Reprobate Idiot….if it is not in the Book of Emery then it is not sound doctrine.

        What a Big Goof Ball that thinks he is the only saved person on this blog…What a LOSER.

        I heard just a rumor little emery is gods spokesman in here and we must obey him.

        All I do is LAUGH at him and his SILLY comments for sounding so god like.

        good luck convincing emery that he is not god.

      • Emery

        I NEVER “interpret” any scripture Diane. You, however, seem to be doing JUST THAT. However, since you haven’t got an ACCURATE translation of it, I am assuming that is the problem. Originally it said “kill the body and soul IN GEHENNA”. But since your translation has REMOVED the word “Gehenna” from it’s pages, you can’t see that. Gehenna is a METAPHORICAL reference to total destruction, i.e. removal of that person from God’s infinite memory keeping that one from being resurrected. God’s word CLEARLY AND REPEATEDLY tells us that we have NO IMMORTAL SOUL. But you disagree with GOD, not me. He is the One who said we have no immortal soul. YOU are the one saying we do. We don’t. That is a PAGAN belief straight from Babylonish pagan religions of the first century and before, ADDED to the KJV Bible, AND ADDED TO CHRISTENDOM, which are ALL false religion according to God. A religion to which YOU ADHERE like super glue, AGAINST GOD’S COMMAND to flee from them. Against God’s statement that anyone participating in them is participating in WORKS OF THE FLESH, which all prevent one from inheriting the Kingdom of God. Something YOU CHOOSE TO DO on a regular basis. One CANNOT take in accurate knowledge of God if one uses an inaccurate translation of His word.

    • Lol! Larry, I agree that we all need to stop feeding the TROLL. Maybe starving him out will do…..
      Have a great day.

      Peace and blessings,
      Dianne

      • Emery

        Remember, YOU butted into MY conversation initially, that makes YOU a troll I suppose, based on YOUR standards. And it’s a shame NONE of you have ANY love at all for Jehovah God OR for His only begotten son. It surely is a shame. Each of your posts PROVES as much with NO doubt at all. so it’s YOU who needs to be “starved” Dianne. It’s a shame also that your I.Q. is so far below normal.

    • Dianne

      Hello Geoffrey, do you have a ” Do Not Butt In” rule on your OPEN FORUM website for those posting? I am aware that you want people to ONLY USE THE KING JAMES VERSION of the Bible when posting. Thanks for answering.
      Also there is a problem with the reply buttons showing up.

      Sincerely,
      Dianne

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    • Ian

      She s right. If ur a christian then u believe the Bible – all of it. Gods way – or the highway – to HELL. Dont shoot the messenger.

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